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Not sure what topic this should be under.
We are currently having problems with our gantry crane brakes. I've been asked if we can do oil analysis testing on brake fluid.
The 1st sample taken looked as though it had a mixutre of fluids, it was black and had particulates in the bottom of the bottle.

Does anyone do this at all?
If so what should we be looking for?
Do you take the sample from the reservoir or bleed the brakes?
 
Posts: 11 | Location: Melbourne, Australia | Registered: Fri June 11 2004Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Take a sample of the used oil along with a sample of new oil to your lab, they will be able to tell you if it is a mixture of different oils.
 
Posts: 61 | Location: Australia | Registered: Thu January 08 2004Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Compare contaminated sample to new sample of brake fluid by ICP and FTIR
ALS can do this for you.
 
Posts: 58 | Location: Port Kembla, NSW, Australia | Registered: Mon January 26 2004Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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When you say "problem" could you describe. You are talking of automotive brake fluid?
The major problems with brake fluid are a result of its hydroscopic nature- it absorbs water which lowers the boiling point and leads to system corrosion.
Lowering of the boiling point can lead to sponginess (the same as air in the system) under continuous demanding operation.
The presence of water will cause corrosion and ultimately leakage and system failure.
Contamination with mineral oil (this could be by top-up or lack of cleanliness in overhaul(even oily fingerprints can cause seal swelling) can lead to rapid failure. Mineral oil will swell and breakdown seal very rapidly.
All these problems can be avoided by 1) scrupulous cleanliness when working on brakes, and 2) regularly flushing the system (regularly means every 12-18 months).
From your description of the sample (black with sediment), it looks like your first step should be to thoroughly flush your system with brake fluid (remember, do not store brake fluid but buy as required).
I do not agree with suggestions to analyse the fluid as a first step. If you were my customer, I would recommend the above before accepting a sample for analysis because I know how difficult it is to obtain a definitive answer. It will also cost you an arm and a leg; flushing is a lot cheaper. The most critical property is the boiling point and most of the commercial labs are not setup to do this routinely. FTIR ca be used to detect certain types of contamination but it not a solve all. ICP can confirm corrosion but you already have a good indication from the appearance that this is occuring.
Hope this helps. Col
 
Posts: 3 | Location: Australia | Registered: Thu May 26 2005Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Two main tests I would conduct on any Brake fluid are 1. Seal swell test and 2. Vapour lock tests.

1. Brake fluids have a high content of solvent (DEGME or DAA) and this has a direct impact on the seals. Swelling of seals could lead to failure.

2. As gas is more compressable than fluids it is essential that the liquid nature of Brake fuid is maintained at all times.

Apart from the above if the oil is contaminated it is of no use as a brake fluid.

Hussam Adeni
 
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