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I am sorry, guys, but the oil company that sells exclusively through small dealers, reminds me of the Avon cosmetics company that sells their products only by dealers from door to door. I just cannot consider them as the legit company and trust superiority of their products to readily available oils at department and other big stores, where they all compete for my attention. Only when I see Amsoil oil on the shelf next to Mobil, Chevron, Valvoline, Castrol, and other brands, then, and only then would I consider it. Call me old-fashioned if you wish, but all that oil mailing business is crap, and doesn’t interest me.
 
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Only when I see Amsoil oil on the shelf next to Mobil, Chevron, Valvoline, Castrol, and other brands, then, and only then would I consider it.



Mobil and others sell through chain stores because it is a commodity oil and because the company doesn't have a network of dealers to be loyal to, they are only loyal to thier bottom line. AMSOIL doesn't sell through chain stores because they have loyalty to their dealer network. WalMart, Pepboys and Autozone have ALL inquired about putting AMSOIL on the shelf at their stores. AMSOIL has turned them all down. The Wal-Mart deal alone was worth nearly $50 million dollars.

AMSOIL chose not to go that route because it would put their dealer network out of business. Once AMSOIL's dealer network is out of business, their remaining outlets (chain stores) would then be able to dictate price. Pretty soon, AMSOIL has to dummy down their product just like every other commodity oil to be able to offer it for the price Wal-Mart (or any other chain store) is willing to pay. If they don't, their retail outlet simply takes them off the shelf and the company goes under.

Amsoil has double digit annual growth pattern for the last decade to now over 100 million annually so they must be doing something right. They don't ahve stock holders to answer to and thus can strive to put out the best product.

If you don't want to use, thats fine but leave it at that and refrain from negative comments.
 
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...I just cannot consider them as the legit company and trust superiority of their products to readily available oils at department and other big stores, where they all compete for my attention. Only when I see Amsoil oil on the shelf next to Mobil, Chevron, Valvoline, Castrol, and other brands, then, and only then would I consider it. Call me old-fashioned if you wish, but all that oil mailing business is crap, and doesn’t interest me.

John,
If you really want to try something new (Amsoil this time) there is no obstacle which is going to stop you. So, I can tell that you are just looking excuses for not doing it and let me explain why I am telling it. You begun with “$50 for missed oil change” and “jeopardizing (of) $40.000 investment”, not even saying a word about oil analysis as the most reliable method in engine maintenance and than you skipped to Avon cosmetic and “old fashioning”.
I have to admit that Amsoil’s sales policy is upsetting sometimes and I can assure you that dealers are affected more than customers if they want to please customers. But, all of us have to accept that they are doing it by same way for 34 years. And they are doing it very, very successfully without advertising campaigns at all. It’s part of their policy as much as demand for ultimate quality. All of us are different and it is OK if you are one of “intolerant/old fashioned guys” but believe me that you are one who is going to miss possibility of trying amazing product(s).
Finding you at these pages should tell us that you are not ordinary consumer. Debating with other forum members should sharpen your mind and help you in making decisions about car maintenance. So, please, do not generously identify yourself as a guy who is admired with fancy advertising and because of that can not notice other facts such as comparative test results for instance. Be pragmatic – not conformist! Try http://www.amsoil.com/dealerlocatorresults/ link, find the closest dealer, call him/her and you’ll have your oil brought at your doorstep. At least it is the way how I would do it with new customer!

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Nothing can turn me off of a product or a service more than dealers with arrogant attitude can do. That is probably the main reason why I prefer to shop for oil at places where I can examine and compare data printed on the side of bottles from different manufacturers before I decide which one to buy. Avon-type resale of goods simply doesn’t interest me. We live in capitalism, which means growth, quality, expanding markets, and profits. Therefore, IMO, statements implying that a company doesn’t want to expand its market because of its steadfast loyalty to its small business dealers is a hogwash.
 
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my point is the label should accurately reflect what is in the bottle.regardless of what the catergory is.100 % apple juice should be exactly that;if not the label should read 75% apple juice and 25% xyz.it is simply about TRUTH.i am not picking on anyones oil, anti-freeze,breakfast cereal,etc.simply tell the whole truth,no omissions,no self serving alterations.surely that cannot injure anyones business?once upon a time only politians played with words.
 
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Nothing can turn me off of a product or a service more than dealers with arrogant attitude can do. That is probably the main reason why I prefer to shop for oil at places where I can examine and compare data printed on the side of bottles from different manufacturers before I decide which one to buy.



Well, I have been staying out of this debate but this statement alone is forcing me to reply. Do you get different oil bottles then everyone else? What is this magic data you speak of? Last time I checked a oil bottle it had no "data" on it, only spec numbers. If you really want to compare lubricants then speaking with a salesman in person is the only way to go. They can provide you with hard data in writing about all the test that the lubricant has gone through and what the test results are. I know when I speak with a potential lubricant's customer that's what I do. Show them the test results compared to all other major manufacturers and then let the customer decide. I let the "data" speak for itself.

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Avon-type resale of goods simply doesn’t interest me. We live in capitalism, which means growth, quality, expanding markets, and profits. Therefore, IMO, statements implying that a company doesn’t want to expand its market because of its steadfast loyalty to its small business dealers is a hogwash.


So, that must mean tools like Snap On, Mac and Matco are no good either, right? If you really think about it the "best" products are never available in the chain stores. Cars, furniture, electronics, lubricants, food, etc... To get the best there is you get them through a salesman and not at some chain store junk seller. As far as growth goes I can't think of one specialty lubricant manufacturer that doesn't think about growth and profit. They are no different than anyone else. The only real difference with any specialty manufacturer is that they market differently than regular run of the mill manufacturers do. As for quality I don't think you will find any better quality then you will from specialty lubricant manufacturers. Unlike large corporations they actually take pride in what they make.


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"the oil company that sells exclusively through small dealers."
-is not accurate. Amsoil Inc. has Retail-On-The-Shelf accounts where a limited number of Amsoil product options are displayed and available alongside similiar motor oils.

"Only when I see Amsoil oil on the shelf next to Mobil, Chevron, Valvoline, Castrol, and other brands, then, and only then would I consider it."
- I guess you'll be considering it, because it can be seen in some stores, as long as the 12 or less stores of a chain have a Retail-On-The-Shelf A/C w/ Amsoil Inc. (This is a company policy)

"Nothing can turn me off of a product or a service more than dealers with arrogant attitude can do."
- Some skeptics are tough cookies as well.


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... Therefore, IMO, statements implying that a company doesn’t want to expand its market because of its steadfast loyalty to its small business dealers is a hogwash.

Your personal interpretation is that "company doesn't want to expand market". Reality is, as you stated, that ("in capitalism") all companies exist because of customers and expanding markets but there are so many different ways of doing it. Amsoil has its own way of reaching and taking care (notice this difference!) of customers. If you do not like it go into your favorite store and “examine and compare data printed on the side of bottles from different manufacturers”.
Some of facts what you, for sure, will not find at bottles are that Castrol sells you petroleum oil (“synthetic hydrocarbon”, view Syntec MSDS ) as “full synthetic Syntec” motor oil (http://www.castrol.com/liveassets/bp_internet/castrol/castrol_usa/STAGING/local_assets/downloads/p,q/pds_syntec_usa.pdf); that in bottle of “100% synthetic” Mobil 1 oil there actually is “small percentage” of 9.8 to 19.2% of petroleum oil and that Pennzane (“developed for and used by NASA”) as main ingredient in Pennzoil’s synthetic oil (sells for ~4$) costs ~$400 per US quart. Despite “NASA technology”, last one “premium oil” is still recommended for 3.000 mi oil change!

It is for sure that if you try you can find store with all your favorite brands accompanied with Amsoil. There is no reason why should be Detroit (where I found two stores with all Amsoil products on the shelves) different from Portland.

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the bottle of motor oil you are displaying IS NOT FULL SYNTHETIC!that is my point.that product contains,calcium, zinc,phosphorus,boron,sulphur, and other ingredients which are not synthetic.
 
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the bottle of motor oil you are displaying IS NOT FULL SYNTHETIC!...

So, the same logic used for petroleum oils should tell us that they are not 100% petroleum?
 
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why is it sooooooo difficult to understand that I AM NOT PICKING ON AMSOIL,OR SYNTEC,OR MOBIL 1,2,3 OR WHO EVER.i am simply saying .....DON'T SAY FULL SYNTHETIC IF IT IS NOT "FULL" "plain jane" dino motor oil does NOT claim te be 100 % mineral oil on the label;it simply states the viscosity and A.P.I classification. it could say " SEMI- SYNTHETIC" but it does not. full anything; indicates to the average red blooded person that what ever is in a particular package is 100 % made up of what ever is declared on the outside label to be inside the durn package..i am sorry but i do not grasp why this angers or creates arguments with people about TRUTH ON THE LABEL?? i have not heard a complaint from people who sell semi-synthetic labeled motor oil.they are most assuredly more truthful about the contents of their packages.once more i am NOT taking sides with mineral oil over synthetic oil nor the other way; but if the bottle is 60,70,or 99% "full"then the label should express the same, unless the mfgr. is concerned that the absolute "TRUTH" will hurt their sales which should not be the case if the product, what ever it may be is for real.
 
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indicates to the average red blooded person that what ever is in a particular package is 100 % made up of what ever is declared on the outside label to be inside the durn package.




Its says oil, thats what in the bottle. The exact makeup is propritary info and no company is going to divulge that. No tot mention that number of chemicals could number in 100's + the additives used come from other suppliers and they are made of many chemicals. Putting all this on a lable would only confuse.

ou are being unrealistic IMO.


Synthetic - (Function: noun) Something resulting from synthesis rather than occurring naturally; especially : a product (as a drug or plastic) of chemical synthesis.

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[QUOTE]indicates to the average red blooded person that what ever is in a particular package is 100 % made up of what ever is declared on the outside label to be inside the durn package.
Its says oil, thats what in the bottle. The exact makeup is propritary info and no company is going to divulge that. No tot mention that number of chemicals could number in 100's + the additives used come from other suppliers and they are made of many chemicals. Putting all this on a lable would only confuse.

ou are being unrealistic IMO.
mike, i am curious why you have so much animosity about "truth" on a label.possibly you would spend money on 100% synthetic gold plated lead?

Synthetic - (Function: noun) Something resulting from synthesis rather than occurring naturally; especially : a product (as a drug or plastic) of chemical synthesis.

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p.s.,i also have a dictionary and the term, "FULL"IS EXPLAINED BY WEBSTER TO MEAN,"CONTAINING ALL THAT IS POSSIBLE OR NORMAL,#2 COMPLETE IN EVERY DETAIL,#3 OF MAXIMUM DEGREE," possibly this does not apply to labels on certain items?i will wrestle with this no longer.
 
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Originally posted by kelly tidwell:
why is it sooooooo difficult to understand that I AM NOT PICKING ON AMSOIL,OR SYNTEC,OR MOBIL 1,2,3 OR WHO EVER.i am simply saying .....DON'T SAY FULL SYNTHETIC IF IT IS NOT "FULL" ...

I do not think that you are picking on Amsoil, Castrol, ... or who ever.
I just think that your personal qualifiers are too high and that you have to adjust them. Mathematically - you're right. None of mentioned products is 100% (of something). But, if you keep same qualifiers and (strictly) apply them for surrounding things in real life very few products will fulfill conditions. Pure (equals 100%) mountain water won't be that (because of dissolved minerals), new declaration on pure milk bag will for sure prevent everybody of purchasing it, pure fruit juice will became solution of squeamish ingredients, pure (Starbucks) coffee will be(come) soooo gruesomely, ... We can go on and on.

Speaking about motor oil it would be easier for all of us to keep current qualifiers which actually show us what product is made of. 100% means that base oil for particular product, before putting adequate additives, is pure PAO. Percentage is not there for final product!

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one more thought before i quit this.my standards of acceptance is not a question;i want to recieve what i pay for. howevef i do not like to have some one B.S. me for personal gain. i am for sure "old fashioned"; but don't put a cadillac grill on a yugo and try to pass it off as something it is not.i have a real PROBLEM WITH ANY PRODUCT WHICH OPENLY DISGUISES IT'S SELF.if there is nothing to hide,if there is no financial motivation involved, then simply call the product what it really is.the attitude i am deriveing from your post is,that the truth would be too involved and that a label stateing 70, 80, or 99% "full"would have no useful purpose. i am posiyive that companies who sell 24 KARAT GOLD PLATED jewellery would love to have the same privalege as FULL synthetic motor oil.and in closing this subject would anyone purchase a ring , watch, necklace, etc, and pay a premium price as for pure gold knowing it was only plated????
 
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kelly,

Your latest analogy is awesome. However, there is one huge difference. You don’t throw away your gold ring or necklace after wearing them for a year or so…. As far as Amsoil oil, I might be mistaken, but after looking at their products spec sheets I was not able to find out what type of base oil they use for blending their “synthetic” oil. Just noting “full sinthetic” doesn’t cut it. If it is PAO, then let see it on labels. Disguising this info could not be justified by any “proprietary” reasons. I can understand they don’t want to publish additives composition and their amount and balance. Also, what the statement “The first in synthetics” refers to, to today’s products or to the past? If it refers to them as being first to get involved with synthetics in the past, it doesn’t mean much to me, because I can name many US companies who broke ground in many fields, including electronics, and auto-moto fields, but their products today are inferior to the same or similar products manufactured in Japan or Europe or Korea.
 
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... As far as Amsoil oil, I might be mistaken, but after looking at their products spec sheets I was not able to find out what type of base oil they use for blending their “synthetic” oil. Just noting “full sinthetic” doesn’t cut it. If it is PAO, then let see it on labels. ...

My Dear John,
You’re sooooo inexperienced in synthetic motor oils! If any company at this world is proud of showing PAO symbol at label - it would be Amsoil. If you had particular product in your hands (but, you do not want to bother with UPS and phoning to dealer) person like you, who like to read labels and compare characteristics, would notice that symbol either at front or back label. You can not overlook it! This attempt to (once more) discredit Amsoil was “100% miss”.
BTW: “First in synthetic” is not pure statement – it’s company’s motto! Unique one as other companies have them. As a statement it means the most experienced company in this field, the first one who introduced tens of important products and standards and the first one in accomplished test results. All of that means quality, isn’t it?

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All of Amsoil premium synthetics are GR. IV PAO oils
 
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Djordan, MikeR,

Thank you for this info. I was yesterday in J I Joe store, and I found Amsoil bottles on a shelve. However, I did not see PAO logo on the front label nor within the "tiny” prints on the back, where I expected to be mentioned …. “blended with PAO”…or something to that effect. BTW, looking now at the picture of a BOX that your submitted, it appears that this PAO logo is shown only on the box, and not on a part picturing the oil bottle. Stupid me, I should have been asking clerks to show me boxes of Amsoil oil so I can see such logo, because there is none printed on the bottles labels. Or, am I wrong here? Also, MSDS sheets (updated in Oct 06), in which content I believe more than what is ONLY on the label of the BOX, do not mentioned PAO as the base stock. And all your barking how I try to discredit Amsoil is pure BS. You can try this hogwash to shut up someone else, but not me. Show me where this PAO logo is presented on Amsoil bottles, and in MSDS, and if is not there, why not?
 
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