Last one, I promise.

These guys seem to be a mystery, and talking to them on the phone isn't very much help either. Having a root canal done again seems to yield more information about their product, other than they say it is great for today's high stressed engines, with their proprietary additive package and base stock formulations. I couldn't even get the standard information out of 'em (not very talkative in their technical department either. Seemed I ALWAYS had to say the next word to get information, if you want to call it that!!!).

Enjoy commenting on this one...

What you're finding isn't unusual at all. Most companies consider their lubrication products proprietary in nature and aren't thrilled at all about publishing their secret formulas which they spend millions developing so that anyone with a workbench in their garage can manufacture them at greatly reduced cost. They really have no idea what your intentions are.

Try calling Coke-a-Cola and ask them for their famous recipe for regular Coke. See what happens. Click! BBBBBZZZZZZZZZZ.

Call Intel and ask them for their schematics that show the detailed architecture of their latest processors. See what happens. Click! BBBBBZZZZZZZZ.

Now you could always buy a sample of their oil and send it to a private lab for a detailed (kind of like a DNA) analysis which you'll pay dearly for. (It won't be the standard $30 for the ICP + TBN used oil analysis test) Then you'll know! Wake up, nobody is going to do your homework for you for free. In their opinion, they publish everything you need to know to make an informed decision. In the U.S., it's common to publish the API Grade and viscosity, plus any other agency approvals, then the magic word, "Synthetic" are all you really need to know. But, if you prefer to resplit previously split hairs, so be it. That will be on your dime!

Chumley

It's not that I didn't want to do my homework. I've been reading, talking to them personally, evaluating, debating, and the like. The only step I haven't taken yet is actually purchasing their product and pouring it into my crankcase. That is whay I ask the question if anybody has used it in the past, present, or wants to try it, to state their opinion on the product.

I also didn't figure that they would divulge all of their inner most secret formulation compilation, but a little details would have been nice. I make sure that when I do call, I say I'm just an ordinary consumer just trying to learn and sort through all the technical mambo jumbo, and make an educated decision on what type of oil to use in my vehicle.

I also like the gourmet, smaller blender brands of oils as opposed to the larger, corperate companies due to the bad taste left in my mouth from corperate America. So I might have to do more leg work, ask more questions, and pay a little more, but in my mind, the benefit is worth it.

Next question.

Try another, like Red Line, maybe, at http://www.redlineoil.com. Ask for Dave in Tech Support. Their products work as advertised, no hype.

I've talked to Dave too Barkerman. Here are the brands that I've used and tried:

Redline, Amsoil, Castrol, Mobil 1, Royal Purple, Schaeffer's, Pennzoil, Quaker State, Kendall (the GT-1 green stuff, now Penn's Premium I believe), Exxon, Pep Boys brand, Renewable Lubricants HOBS, Rotella, and any other generic on the shelves.

I wanted to know about these others, though other's personal experiences, and try something that I haven't before, that's all. I'm not trying to take away from any of the other brands quality, I just love to tinker and changes things when I can, plain and simple.

Have you considered trying Maxlife Synthetic?

That's the only Valvoline type that I haven't tried. I forgot to add all of the Valvoline products that I've used: regular, Durablend, Synpower, Premium Blue, even there VR-1 Racing line.

I guess that I just wanted to try something "out of the ordinary". I guess you could say that I'm just weird that way!!!

Dad2leia wrote:

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Here are the brands that I've used and tried:

Redline, Amsoil, Castrol, Mobil 1, Royal Purple, Schaeffer's, Pennzoil, Quaker State, Kendall (the GT-1 green stuff, now Penn's Premium I believe), Exxon, Pep Boys brand, Renewable Lubricants HOBS, Rotella, and any other generic on the shelves.

How long it took to use all these and to make standpoints about all of them?

Djordan, usually I would only use 1 case of an oil (about 2 1/2 OC's worth) just to see how the engine sounded, performed, mileage (I keep track of EVERY tank, regardless of driving), and the "feeling" method of the oil during its interval life (usually no more than 5000 miles). I know that this really doesn't sound very scientific, or probably means that I can get a clear and non-biased picture of the oil itself, but as I've explained before, I like to tinker and change things, never happy with well enough to leave it alone for more than a case, unless the "performance" level is such that I feel that I can't do any better.

Mind though, that I have a "fleet" of family vehicles to take care of, so that even adds more to the "personal changing" preference as opposed to the "scientific method" of research to the whole scheme of the OC's.

So, I guess one could call me "obsessed" with oil changing!!!

No, no! I didn't (even) think about "scientific test methods". I was just wondering about how many different oil brands and types you mentioned. Your (let's name it) "comparative method" is quite acceptable for personal use and a little bit pricey and time consuming (“obsessed with oil changing”)!

Yes, I know, my wife keeps telling me that it's getting to be expensive to keep trying all these "new" and "gourmet" oils that I have been. It's just sooooooo much fun to keep on surfing and looking for new, different, improved (so they say), better formulated, last forever (well, so THEY say!!!), and so on.

I've just tried almost everything on the shelf, and was looking for something unique and different, but in a better and more protective way, and these guys' oil just happened to be on my list.

So, off to more surfing I go...