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Bronze Member - 1 or more posts |
Now that RedLine has been mentioned, who manufactures their oil? They have no Labs or manufacturing facilities. They only have warehouses and packaging facilities. This was a Topic at the Track this past weekend. They are overpriced compared to AMSOIL and cannot outperform AMSOIL. Everyone at the track that was involved in this discussion agreed. Red line in the past has been a dominating brand at the tracks due to marketing and discounted driver suits. Now that drivers are having to update their driversuits in Grassroots Motorsports, It will be interesting to see if RedLine continues with the past trend or will AMSOIL, for a superior product at a better price, will take the #1 position of lubricants in the Grassroots Arena.
More info and free catalogs available @CAP |
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Bronze Member - 1 or more posts |
Bob Woods,
I followed your link. But I just found MSDS & so on. I didn't find anything about Super Tech or its manufacturer. Did I blow it somehow? Not so bad, thanks. |
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Bronze Member - 1 or more posts |
My research shows that Warren is just a distributer not a manufacture.Some grades of oil show up as Quaker state.It can be anyone
who meets their specs!& wants the business. I used this brand for years without problems. Do not mix no |
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Double Platinum Member - 100 or more posts |
RL makes, designs and Mfg there own oil all in house look up there website. bruce |
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Premium Member - 250 or more posts |
Of course you'd say that. You're an Amsoil dealer. |
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Double Platinum Member - 100 or more posts |
RL is an ester (expensive) based oil and therefore there is no comparison needed to be made to Amsoil, Motul maybe.
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Platinum Member - 50 or more posts |
Here is the list of Walmart brand lubes. To stores like Walmart and their packagers oils are just a commodity. Meaning they considere them all the same so they are more interested in what their cost is, 99% of thier customers only care about price and nothing else. Assuming a Super Tech oil that is made by QS etc is the very same product you will find in the QS bottle is a huge leap. There are varing additives that can be used that would increase or decrease the cost of the raw product without affecting it meeting current spec's. I thik all you can say about store brands is that they are cheaper than name brands but you cannot say they are identical formulations. Also these big chain stores like to buy in huge volume. So you may have product that is anywhere from months to year old from when it was mfg. All things to consider... TECH 2000 SUPER CONCENTRATED FUEL INJECTOR CLEANER -- FIRST BRAND SUPER TECH GAS LINE ANTI-FREEZE -- CRISTY SUPER TECH R&O ANTI-WEAR OIL ALL GRADES -- SPECIALTY OIL SUPER TECH RV WINTERIZER -- QUAKER STATE SUPER TECH UNIVERSAL PRECISE MIX 2-CYCLE ENGINE OIL -- SPECIALTY SUPER TECH SUPER CONCENTRATED FUEL INJECTOR CLEANER -- FIRST BRANDS SUPER TECH GAS TREATMENT -- FIRST BRANDS SUPER TECH FUEL INJECTOR AND CARBURETOR CLEANER -- FIRST BRANDS SUPER TECH & TECH 2000 WINTER FORMULA -25 WINDSHIELD WASHER FLUID SUPER TECH & TECH 2000 WINDSHIELD WASH -30F -- SOUTH WIN LTD</a><br> SUPER TECH & TECH 2000 -20 WINDSHIELD WASHER FLUID -- SOUTHWIN T TECH 2000 & SUPER TECH SUMMER FORMULA WINDSHIELD WASHER FLUID --S SUPER TECH R&O ANTI-WEAR HYDRAULIC OIL ISO 46 -- WARREN DISTRIBUT SUPER TECH BAR AND CHAIN OIL SAE 30 -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION SUPER TECH UNIVERSAL HYDRAULIC TRANSMISSION FLUID -- WARREN DISTR SUPER TECH MINERAL GEAR OIL SAE 90 -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION SUPER TECH SAE 15W40 -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION SUPER TECH AND TECH 2000 20W50 OIL -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION SUPER TECH AND TECH 2000 5W30 MOTOR OIL -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION SUPER TECH AND TECH 2000 GENUINE 30W MOTOR OIL -- WARREN DISTRIBU SUPER TECH AND TECH 2000 30W MOTOR OIL -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION SUPER TECH AND TECH 2000 DEXRON III/MERCON AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION SUPER TECH AND TECH 2000 TYPE F AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID -- SUPER TECH SAE 30 UNIVERSAL MOTOR OIL -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION SUPER TECH 5W30 FULL SYNTHETIC OIL -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION SUPER TECH FULL SYNTHETIC SAE 10W30 -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION SUPER TECH SYNTHETIC BLEND SAE 5W30 MOTOR OIL -- WARREN DISTRIBUT SUPER TECH SYNTHETIC BLEND SAE 10W30 MOTOR OIL -- WARREN DISTRIBU SUPER TECH ENGINE TREATMENT -- SPECIALTY OIL CO SUPER TECH STARTING FLUID -- VALVOLINE SUPER TECH 50/50 ANTIFREEZE AND COOLANT -- OLD WORLD INDUSTRIES SUPER TECH TILT AND TRIM FLUID -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION SUPER TECH MULTI-VEHICLE AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID -- WARREN D SUPER TECH SYNTHETIC BLEND 10W40 MOTOR OIL -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION SUPER TECH UNIVERSAL 2-CYCLE OIL -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION SUPER TECH RV AND MARINE ANTI-FREEZE -- FOX PACKAGING CO SUPER TECH ENGINE DEGREASER -- HYDROSOL INC SUPER TECH CARB CLEANER -- HYDROSOL INC SUPER TECH WHITE GREASE -- HYDROSOL INC. SUPER TECH MULTI PURPOSE LITHIUM GREASE -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION SUPER TECH MULTI DUTY COMPLEX GREASE -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION SUPER TECH MOLY LITHIUM GREASE -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION SUPER TECH MARINE GREASE -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION SUPER TECH 0 DEGREE WINDSHIELD WASHER FLUID -- SOUTHWIN LTD SUPER TECH AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION SUPER TECH 75W140 SYNTHETIC GEAR OIL -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION SUPER TECH AND TECH 2000 GL-5 SAE 80W90 GEAR OIL -- WARREN DIST SUPER TECH AND TECH 2000 GL-5 85W140 GEAR OIL -- WARREN DISTRIBUT SUPER TECH FULL SYNTHETIC - ALL GRADES -- SPECIALTY OIL / PENNZO SUPER TECH OUTBOARD 2 CYCLE ENGINE OIL TC-W3 -- SPECIALTY OIL SUPER TECH MINERAL GEAR OIL SAE 90 -- SPECIALTY OIL / PENNZOIL QU SUPER TECH AND TECH 2000 10W30 MOTOR OIL -- WARREN DISTRIBUTION SUPER TECH SYNTHETIC BLEND MOTOR OIL - ALL GRADES -- SPECIALTY O SUPER TECH SUMMER WINDSHIELD WASH (WASHER FLUID 32) -- FOX PACK SUPER TECH +22 F WINDSHIELD WASHER FLUID -- FOX PACKAGING SUPER TECH 10W40 -- EXXON MOBIL SUPER TECH 20W50 -- EXXON MOBIL SUPER TECH R AND O ANTI WEAR HYDRAULIC OIL AW 46 -- SPECIALTY SUPER TECH SAE 30 UNIVERSAL MOTOR OIL -- PENNZOIL QUAKER STATE SUPER TECH SAE 30 UNIVERSAL MOTOR OIL -- PENNZOIL QUAKER S SUPER TECH AND TECH 2000 WINDSHIELD WASHER FLUID -25F -- FOX PA SUPER TECH WINDSHIELD WASHER FLUID -20F -- FOX PACKAGING SUPER TECH MARINE OUTBOARD 2 CYCLE ENGINE OIL TC-W3 -- SPECIALT SUPER TECH MARINE HIGH VISCOSITY 80W90 LOWER UNIT GEAR LUBRICANT SUPER TECH CORROSION CONTROL AND TRAILER WHEEL BEARING GREASE -- SUPER TECH CONCENTRATED FUEL INJECTOR CLEANER -- PENNZOIL QUAKER SUPER TECH GAS TREATMENT -- PENNZOIL QUAKER STATE SUPER TECH POWER STEERING FLUID -- PENNZOIL QUAKER STATE SUPER TECH HIGH PERFORMANCE BRAKE FLUID DOT 3 -- PENNZOIL QUAKER SUPER TECH UNIVERSAL 2 CYCLE ENGINE OIL -- PENNZOIL QUAKER STATE SUPER TECH 80W90 AND 85W140 GEAR LUBRICANT -- SPECIALTY OIL SUPER TECH MARINE POWER TRIM AND TILT FLUID -- PENNZOIL QUAKER SUPER TECH SAE 30 UNIVERSAL HEAVY DUTY DIESEL ENGINE OIL -- PE SUPER TECH PERFORMANCE ENGINEERED HD SAE MOTOR OIL - ALL GRADES SUPER TECH HEAVY DUTY TRACTOR HYDRAULIC AND TRANSMISSION OIL -- SPEC SUPER TECH R&O ANTI WEAR HYDRAULIC OIL AW 46 -- SPECIALTY OIL SUPER TECH FUEL INJECTOR AND CARBURETOR CLEANER -- SPECIALTY OI SUPER TECH TYPE F AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID -- SPECIALTY OIL SUPER TECH DEXRON III / MERCON AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID -- SPEC SUPER TECH BAR & CHAIN OIL GRADE 30 -- SPECIALTY OIL / PENNZOIL SUPER TECH SAE 15W40 UNIVERSAL MOTOR OIL -- SPECIALTY OIL / PENN SUPER TECH PERFORMANCE ENGINEERED MOTOR OIL - ALL GRADES -- SPECI SUPER TECH ANTIFREEZE / COOLANT -- HONEYWELL SUPER TECH WINDSHIELD WASHER PREMIUM DEICER -30 -- FOX PACKAGIN SUPER TECH 5W30 -- EXXON MOBIL SUPER TECH MULTI LUBE -- HYDROSOL SUPER TECH OIL TREATMENT -- NATIONAL INTERCHEM LLC SUPER TECH 10W30 -- EXXON MOBIL SUPER TECH HD 30 -- EXXON MOBIL 30440 SEARCHED 96 SELECTED This message has been edited. 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Double Platinum Member - 100 or more posts |
The mineral oils are regional . If the product code on the bottle for the mineral oils starts with WM with numerals behind that , it comes from Warren Distribution .
Product codes 97Z053 and 477414-00 are an Exxon/Mobil product . The latest MSDS was revised on 1-18-05 . The group III synthetic product is apparently from Warren , who knows who supplies the base oil but if a SHC is a SHC I'd personally buy on price if I were inclined to use a 30wt formula comprised entirely of group III base oil . But I'm not so inclined  Pennzoil Platinum is a SHC per the MSDS and 2 bucks per quart higher than the Super Tech . I'm not certain that either of those has the cost vs performance value of the 2 dollar per quart Mobil Clean 7500 but .......... Thats off topic now is it not ?  |
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Bronze Member - 1 or more posts |
I sent Warren Dist. an e-mail. I have used the Walmart Super Tech products, with good results. Here is my e-mail from them...
Thanks for your inquiry. We are one of WalMart's packagers for their Super Tech Motor Oils. While there are others, we are one of their major suppliers. We are a prime manufacturer meaning we do everything from blow mold the bottles, attach the labels and caps, to also blend the oils from base stocks, and additive packages. We do it all from start to finish, so we don't use someone else's oil or package and just put the Super Tech label on it. We do it from "scratch" right here. As far as their other packagers are concerned, I can't speak to what they do, but I know we produce their oil to the highest automotive standards, and their specifications. Hope this helps. >>> Paul Rucker <doda2024@yahoo.com> 11/01/05 09:06AM >>> I have heard that Warren Distributing labels some Walmart Super Tech Motor oils, I was just wondering if you manufacture them for Walmart, or simply repackage another suppliers product into your bottleing/distribution system? I like the Super Tech Motor Oils and use them...rumor has it that they are made by Quaker State, some say Exxon-Mobile, some say Warren Dist. makes them. I am just curious and appreciate your time and help. |
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Bronze Member - 1 or more posts |
Janie says I need MSDS. Where can I find it?
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Double Platinum Member - 100 or more posts |
The API SM ,Walmart synthetic ,looks to be once again made by Specialty Oil " Q-State-Pennzoil " and the base oil is 100% synthetic hydrocarbons .
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Bronze Member - 1 or more posts |
I am doing basic maintenance on my family run about boat with 4 cl 130 hp merc engine and a alph one stern drive. Service Manual reccomends "Quick silver Special lube 101" or "Quick Silver 2 - 4 - C" marine lube for propeller shaft. Local marine parts dealer did not have Quick silver in stock. Wal Mart had super Tech SAE 80W -90 Lower gear lube" Premium Multipurpose Marine Lube. I am interested in getting a cross reference between super tech and Quick silver. Can you tell me where I might get a cross reference.
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Bronze Member - 1 or more posts |
It is not the brand of oil that matter so much as the frequency of the oil change....every 3000 miles no deviation. I had a 94 t bird when I traded it off I had 187000 miles on it. yep you guessed it... super tec....just a thought for all you brand concious drivers out there..
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Bronze Member - 1 or more posts |
There sure is a lot of talk on this site that is helpful. I did not see anyone referring to specific levels of quality or application of motor oils. I know that on road hiway diesels for heavy trucks need to meet emission requirements starting in 2007. All these newer engines require CJ-4 type motor oils becasue they have lower ash levels and lowered phos levels and must meet very stringent wear, soot, viscosity control and detergency requirements met by the engine manufacturers. Has anyone from the manufacturer of the Walmart Tech 2000 ever said their 15W40 meets CJ-4 quality specs? This is a must for all warranty on all heavy duty diesels. What about it...is anyone out there willing to say it does or is it on the package?
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Folks , I saw a note on group III "synthetics". Be careful here because there are group III "synthetics" and then there are Group IV synthetics. We're talking base oils only here. Group IV synthetics are just that, molecules made from scratch called oligimers. They are forced together to create longer chains and make thicker grades of base oils. They are called as a family Poly Alfa Olefins or "PAO"s. These are true synthetics because they are formed from man made molecules and have high heat resistance at extremes and NO Wax molecules to thicken up at low temperatures.
Group III "synthetics" were not synthetics until someone decided to go to court to have the name attached to it because they were doing something called "severely hyrdrocracking", which is a way to inject hydrogen molecules into long chain hydrocarbons and make a reasonably good base lube oil using low quality crude oils. They still have WAX type molecules in them so thicken more at lower temps, and they still have a mixture or range of molecule sizes that create internal friction, and they do not have the heat resistance of the true synthetics. However, due to a court case I heard of the oil manufacturers who use group III can now call it "synthetic". That is why you will see sometimtes a $2-$3 per liter difference in "synthetic" prices. If you want the real deal you need to pay for it. What I call the not real deal still works, but in the extreme it will not perform like a synthetic because it simply can't. You won't see the friction reduction that PAO's are known for (up to 8% power savings in gears and engines) and they will breakdown due to heat sooner than PAO's. At the end of the day think about this. You paid $25K for a new car, plan to drive it 200K or 300k miles. You will do on average 4 oil changes a year using on average 5 liters of oil or 20 liters per year. If you save $3/liter on an oil you are saving $60/year on average or ONE gas tank fill. Heck you can idle that away at a stop light easily in year. |
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Premium Member - 250 or more posts |
Really Group III is pretty good stuff. I don't think it was a court case, but was worked out through industry groups and/or the Better Business Bureau.
As for oil, you can run conventional and you car will last a very long time. Synthetic is overkill for most people. |
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Gold Member - 25 or more posts |
Got a link? Nothing wrong with Grp III unless in extreme cold or very long drains. |
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Bronze Member - 1 or more posts |
Super Tech oil seems to be made by at least two companies depending on ones location.
One supplier is/was Exxon/Mobil,the other supplier is Warren Performance Products based in Nebraska.This company is not only a packager of oil but is a mixer and has its own products that are sold under the Mag1 and Polar names. Here is a link that tells more about WPP: http://www.wd-wpp.com/about-warren.html Warren/WPP has to meet the same API standards that any other oil has to meet in order to be API certified. API certification means that the oil must meet at leat a minimum standard.An oil that has more additives doesnt mean that it is a better oil,if an oil has too much of an additive,such as polymers,the oil may not lubricate as well. Polymers can also break down and do more harm than good. Is Super Tech the best,that is up to the person to decide,it seems to do what oil is supposed to do. |
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Bronze Member - 1 or more posts |
I use their automatic transmission fluids from time to time, however I flush all of my transmissions every 10,000 miles and or when I notice the fluid to before somewhat gritty and or slightly cooked. Most all of my mileage is 99%hwy. But again, I try to flush out atf by at least 10,000 miles, or less. I used it continuously in my volvos, Lincolns, Saabs etc. (740's/850's). My 740's (250-300,000 avg) did well especially the one with 500,000 plus original miles! All of the others. And the trannys still ran good. Now oil is another story, however in an emergency I wouldn't turn super-tech down!
Best Regards |
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