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Level 3 - 101 to 250 posts |
What lame excuses do you have now Timmy? What kind of BS excuse will you come up with next? Is Amsoil used in the Space Shuttle too? Actually it's probably an XOM fluid on that thing. LOL |
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Level 5 - 501 to 1000 posts |
So is the Mobil 1 used in these professional race teams the same Mobil 1 you can buy at Wal-Mart? I doubt it. But they sure infer it. When I worked for Shell, they had special race oils not available to the general public and even sent tribologists to the races to tweak this special formulas should the need arise. The oil was packaged in the same containers as seen in the store, but was nothing like the lubricants in the stores. I've shown AMSOIL dominates professional racing in the race series they participate in using the same AMSOIL you can purchase. You've shown nothing. You also don't know that AMSOIL is not used in NASCAR. AMSOIL warehouses report a surge of race oil sales when NASCAR comes to town. Many racers do not use what is written on their cars. I know Bobby Unser did not use Valvoline which was his sponsor. But AMSOIL was in his Valvoline bottles. I'm sure other racers do the same. This message has been edited. Last edited by: Tim Vipond, |
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Level 3 - 101 to 250 posts |
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/...umber=1353523&page=1
Tim, stop playing games and read what I have provided you. YES, some of these cars use off the shelf Mobil 1. In years past they did, as ZDP levels were lower, some of the teams use custom blended oils as all the articles I provided you show. Tim, you are not sure of anything. You make stuff up as you go along. Try some of Amatuzios Vitamins. They may help with that. http://www.altrumonline.com/ And for the last time, Lake Spd Jr., who works with Joe Gibbs and raced in NASCAR said he doesn't know ANYONE that uses Amsoil. Maybe now they are starting too because they now have some good racing oils (Dominator). Prior to that everything you heard about Nascar & Amsoil was Amsoil peddler BS. End of story. |
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Level 5 - 501 to 1000 posts |
Buster, some guy walking around the pit area looking at some Mobil 1 bottles is not conclusive evidence that what is in the engine is unmodified Mobil 1. Just like Bobby Unser had bottles of Valvoline in the pits, they were filled with AMSOIL. Just like Shell had "normal" Shell bottles in the pits that was far from normal Shell oil. I'm sure these games are still played today.
Several race teams spend millions of dollars developing/modifying their lubricants. AMSOIL race teams don't. The just buy the off the shelf AMSOIL. How would somebody know for sure that no one in NASCAR is using AMSOIL? He doesn't. Here are several NASCAR drivers and teams he apparently doesn't know that use AMSOIL. Jason Allen 2001 NASCAR Late Model Champion 2001 NASCAR Late Model Rookie of the Year And this guy: Andy Bozell of Portage, Mich., recently won the 2004 NASCAR Dodge Weeky Series Heartland Region championship racing in the Super Late Model division at Kalamazoo (Mich.) Speedway. And this NASCAR racer: http://www.amsoil.com/testimonials/stan-culpepper.pdf . And Pohlman raced in the NASCAR Grand Nationals class in the Dodge Weekly Series. The 2004 Rookie of the Year is currently in third place in the series. He was also voted “Most Improved Driver” this season by his peers. He is sponsored by AMSOIL Dealer Don Peters. And this guy: Darren has been racing for 9 years and currently races in the NASCAR Nights at Beech Ridge Motor Speedway “Wild Cat” Series. Dan Frazier has been racing for 9 years and currently races in the NASCAR Wheelin All American Series and the O’Reilly USAModified Series. In 2004, Dan was the Most Popular Driver at Kalamazoo Speedway. Bob Emery has been racing for six years. He currently races in the NASCAR Sport Series and in the Pro All Star Series, Sport Division. Bonicelli Racing Racks up NASCAR Wins with AMSOIL Bonicelli Racing Enterprises is comprising an impressive record among the NASCAR Featherlite Southwest Circuit. Mike Bonicelli, owner of the team, refuses to use any other brand of oil. "I own NASCAR race teams and a car dealership in Colorado Springs," said Bonicelli. "I have been a long time user of AMSOIL products in both enterprises. I'm sure there are more. Search NASCAR on the AMSOIL website for 128 NASCAR results. I'm still waiting for proof of your statement "Redline has been far more successful in racing than Amsoil for a small blender." Since I've asked several times and you haven't provided any, I guess this is more of your made up facts. This message has been edited. Last edited by: Tim Vipond, |
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Level 3 - 101 to 250 posts |
Thanks. Yeah on another forum I belong too, one of the more respectable Amsoil peddlers I know who doesn't over-hype, lie, exaggerate, make up claims etc., said Amsoil is predominately PAO and diester. Their new racing oils use PAO and polyolester. I have no idea if that is true or how he would know. Timmy, you failed. If you want to compare Nascar oil, just read the links I provided. All the top teams use custom blended oils by the major oil companies. I'm sure some small names "may" be using Amsoil, but that would be at the lower grass roots level where peddlers like yourself could sell your oil based on 4-ball wear tests and other gimmicky tactics. Mobil 1 is used by over 50% of Nascar. As far as Redline, just take a look at their web page and click on motor sports. You'll see some very big names. Amsoil recently signed on with Teague and they are having great success with their Dominator 15w50 oil. One of the Amsoil guys on BITOG said Amsoil wants to get more involved in the racing market. They want a larger presence in racing. Their primary market has been extended drain intervals. |
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Level 3 - 101 to 250 posts |
Tim, not Tom, sorry about that.
Bottom line, you have less lubricant experience than sonmeone who has been doing the hands on blending for longer than sonme of our readers ahve been alive. Not discounting your experience, but 28 years at Chell does not automatically make you an expert. It could have been in packaging. All experience is not relevant. Myself, just over 3 years, and trying hard to learn. But I've got 27 years in nuclear plant engineering. Does NOT make me a fuels guy. does it? Now, you claim that amsoil is all over nascar. Name one in the top 3 series, Craftsman Truck, Nationwide, Sprint Cup. Also, you seem to have 2 standrards.. Someone sponsored by X , well, we don't know what he is using. But "I" know the TRUTH. Someone sponsored by amsoil, WOW, Look at that amsoil go!!! You still don't KNOW. In fact, I find your inpugning of innocent peoples integrity for marketing rather disturbing. |
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Level 5 - 501 to 1000 posts |
I did? How so? You were the one who asserted along with your "source" that AMSOIL was not used in NASCAR. I showed that dozens of NASCAR racers and teams use AMSOIL. Many others go unreported for fear of losing their sponsorship. You failed. You asserted that Red Line was FAR more successful in racing than AMSOIL, and all you come up with is above? AMSOIL dominates the race series they sponsor. Red Line simply doesn't have the big names AMSOIL has. AMSOIL podiums professional racers nearly every day. Can't say the same for Red Line. World Champion Bob Teague began racing with AMSOIL in 2007, not "recently". AMSOIL will get more involved in racing as they dominate competition where they do race. They get a lot of coverage on SPEED and NBC. AMSOIL had record sales last year, where the overall motor oil industry lost 20% in sales. They must be doing something right.... This message has been edited. Last edited by: Tim Vipond, |
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Level 5 - 501 to 1000 posts |
Craftsman Truck: Ricky Sanders: http://www.amsoil.com/testimon...left_turn/index.aspx AMSOIL Racing - Team Extreme: http://www.amsoil.com/testimon...amextreme/index.aspx No two standards. Bobby Unser was sponsored by Valvoline, but ran AMSOIL. He has stated this publicly. AMSOIL will only do corporate sponsorship if they use the AMSOIL products they state they do. I've never heard of anyone violating that. |
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Level 3 - 101 to 250 posts |
Tangent anyone?
I'm not sure the requirements of my grocery-getter that redlines at 6500 and turns about 2000-2500 rpm most of the time are entirely comparable with an engine that redlines at 12 - 14,000 and spends much of an entire race pretty close to there. Racing engines also get rebuilt pretty frequently, so there aren't any concerns about deposit due to high additive loads. Of course lube suppliers provide racing oils. It's a much different an application. All of the lies you've heard about me are true |
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Level 5 - 501 to 1000 posts |
You are exactly right. That is why AMSOIL offers racing oils, classic car oils, and grocery getter oils. All are different formulations, based on the applications. Each formulated to be the best it can be. |
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Level 3 - 101 to 250 posts |
Truck guy - 25th in points in 2000.
Other is a lower level series. Anyone current in the top 3 series? How do you audit compliance on a sponsorship? |
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Level 5 - 501 to 1000 posts |
It costs 25-35 million dollars to sponsor a single top NASCAR driver. AMSOIL is a small American owned family oil company. Not ready to pull the trigger now or next year, but have hinted at 2012.
Just like Bobby Unser admitted to using AMSOIL when he was sponsored by Valvoline and pouring it into their bottles, there are likely others doing the same thing. AMSOIL race oil orders at the warehouses surge when NASCAR and other professional races come to town. As shown earlier, a lot of NASCAR vehicles are using AMSOIL. This message has been edited. Last edited by: Tim Vipond, |
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Level 5 - 501 to 1000 posts |
AMSOIL sponsors about 50 North American professional and amateur racing series and drivers. They feel the cost is justified in brand and performance recognition. AMSOIL selects their drivers and teams and most are National Champions in their events.
Independent AMSOIL dealers and AMSOIL co-sponsor about 300 local race drivers for local recognition. Many drivers are turned down for sponsorships and AMSOIL offers them wholesale pricing. They simply can't sponsor everyone that asks and most racers know that and are happy with getting top quality products at wholesale. It costs 25-35 million dollars to sponsor a single top NASCAR driver. AMSOIL is a small American owned family oil company. Not ready to pull the trigger now or next year, but have hinted at 2011. AMSOIL is not satisfied just to have a sticker on a quarter panel. Just like Bobby Unser admitted to using AMSOIL when he was sponsored by Valvoline and pouring it into their bottles, there are likely others doing the same thing. AMSOIL race oil orders at the warehouses surge when NASCAR comes to town. As shown earlier, a lot of NASCAR vehicles are using AMSOIL. AMSOIL and the race teams are very big into used oil analysis to help determine oil change intervals and performance for race engines. It can also predict engine performance and possible failures that could cause a DNF. This is also one way to determine which oil is being run. Andy Granatelli visited the SEMA AMSOIL Corporate booth. He told AMSOIL he wanted information on AMSOIL since his engine builder highly recommended it. Mahle is a customer of mine. They are pretty well known for their high performance pistons and engines. |
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Level 2 - 51 to 100 posts |
Hey, for all we know there's Amsoil drive train lubricants used in plenty of racer's cars. I can't limit my perception to motor oil for an engine that has a lifespan of maybe 550 miles max.
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Level 3 - 101 to 250 posts |
The issue isn't whether Asmoil is used in racing or makes a bad oil. The issue is that Amsoil is one of many good oils, and there is no such thing as a "best" oil.
Mobil 1 and other custom blended oils from Valvoline, Shell etc. are most found in Nascar. Mobil 1 is used by over 50% of Nascar. My information comes from Lake Spd. Jr., who said of all the oils they tested prior to making JGR oil, Mobil 1 was the best. He also uses that in his own car. Amsoil is late to the scene with their Dominator line of oils. These oils may be as good as some of the others I've mentioned, but I couldn't tell you and neither could Tim. I believe Redline is found in far more high end pro teams than Amsoil. Just look at the teams that use their products. Prior to the Dominator line, Amsoil would recommend their 0w-30 and 20w50 racing oils. Both were nothing special and the 0w30 was not really a racing oil at all. Redline makes far more viscosity grades than Amsoil and uses a superior base stock for high temperatures. So the bottom line here = Amsoil is one of many good oils + don't believe the Vipond hype. |
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Level 2 - 51 to 100 posts |
Oh, buster, never believe hype.
There is no such thing as magic oil. Everyone knows that  |
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Level 3 - 101 to 250 posts |
Why was Amsoil still using PIB while the industry leaders where already using high-vis PAOs?
All of the lies you've heard about me are true |
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Level 2 - 51 to 100 posts |
Beats the crap out of me  Do you see anything deficient in Amsoil's formulations? I don't see any issues. |
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Level 5 - 501 to 1000 posts |
You are correct. AMSOIL offers drive train lubricants used in plenty of racer's cars and trucks. For automatic and manual transmissions. I provide to several racers. Legendary Champion Bobby Unser used them. Three times champion Mike Oberg uses them. Eleven times champion Scott Douglas uses them. Three times champion Brad Hord uses them. Two time champion Dan Vanden Heuvel uses them. Four times champion Brad and Roger Lovell use them. Seven times champion Scotty Taylor uses them. Multi champion Brady Smith uses them. Two time champion Bob Richardson uses them. Four time champion AJ Diemel uses them. Ten time champion Pat Doar uses them. Two time champion Craig Thatcher uses them. Eight time champion Nick Panitzke uses them. Seventeen times champion Curt Gelling uses them. Monster Truck Champion Shock Therapy uses them. Monster Truck Champion Big Dawg uses them. |
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Level 5 - 501 to 1000 posts |
So if it is custom blended, it really isn't Mobil 1. Gotta love it when Buster contradicts himself in twice in two consecutive paragraphs. How could AMSOIL be late when they were the first to produce synthetic oils for race engines? You can look at the long line of champion racers that used engine oil, the specifications, bench testing, engine testing, virgin oil analyses and used oil analyses to tell which the best oils. And AMSOIL is not special blends for the racers, you can buy them off the shelf. I've looked at Red Line's pro teams and not impressed. They both sponsor about the same number of pro racers, not far more. Plus AMSOIL co-sponsors about 300 other racers a year. Where are the Bobby Unsers, Al Unser Jrs, and Dan Gurneys? Oh yeah, they were using AMSOIL. Tell that to Bobby Unser and Dan Gurney and all the AMSOIL TORC and Powerboat Champions. No hype. Only facts. You have yet to show any hype or that AMSOIL is not "state of the art", or that Red Line is far and above a superior oil or has a better racing history. This message has been edited. Last edited by: Tim Vipond, |
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