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This looks interesting.

What benefits do they claim with use of there product?

what oil additive?? some will not help or hurt BUT a high vis poymer can thicken oil to >60wt and will/may cause oil starvation issues.

Other additives are only ZDDP and as such may help with scuffing wear.

others are chlor parrifin and will/may cause cbearing corrosion issues so more info is needed and what was falure mode??
bruce

Is it too late to do some oil analysis?

""new additive on the market, bismuth, oil filter failures(imploded steel inner retainers), and black goo that the parts washer won't touch.""

Bismuth Napthenate which it maybe be is a good anti scuff additive BUT as I remember can/will form lot of sludge and may react with detergent pak in base motor oil I'd use only small amount maybe 5% bye volume only IMHO better for gear oil than a motor oil.
bruce

Would you tell of the name of this additive company or the name of their additive. This might help others to not make the same mistake.

at lease have the black goo tested and the "additive" FTIR or IR maybe Ok or even a basic spectro should show goo and additive are high in Bismuth and are one in the same.

Sounds like it is the additive and it forms forms goo in high temp or in general a lousy product that ate you motors, yes sounds like clogged filter.

When they say additive is dispersed and does not settle out sounds like a "solid" lube that does at least filter out and is in pan.

Ask them to pay for new motor??

as I said a FTIR will show I think goo and New addtive from bottle are same crap then ask to money.
bruce

The main lubricating component "disassociates itself" and should "sacrifice" to the high heat , wear, and stress areas. Remaining there even after engine cooling.

sure did remain so well clogged engine, sorry but this is just psycho bable never heard these words before regarding any "real" oil additive "disassociates itself" and "sacrifice"

bruce

Is this who you got the additive from?


http://technicianstip.com/index.php

I live about 3 hours away from where this product is made. I have never heard of this product before or the company that makes it, but I will be trying to find out more information. I will be going to West Band next month to visit my cousin and if I have time, I will try to pay this company a visit.

I retired from the Shell/Pennzoil Company in 2005 after spending 21 years with Pennzoil and I will ask some of my oil contacts in WI if they know anything about this product.

It destroyed 2 engines.

Are they ging to pitch in for new ones?

Also, my in house lab doesn't run for bismuth on the ICP. So you might want to send your samples somewhere that can do more advanced work.

I believe Herguth can do some magic with the electron microscope to id constuent parts.

Might be worth a call.

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and cut it open to find that the oil pump had colapsed the inner steel liner of the filter,

You wouldn't happen to have the in block bypass defeated, would you? If you have any idea where this practice traces back to "back in the day", I'd really like to know who came up with it.

The oddity in this is that the engines lasted so long with this stuff in them. I'm not saying that "It's a miracle you made it that far!". I'm saying that one would imagine that this would either be a progressive plugging of the filter (indicated on the pressure gauge) ..or somewhat immediate ..like after you added the stuff. One would also imagine that there would have been a tearing of the media if it was a progressive event ..while an "all at once" dose of the stuff would make that unlikely.

Just a side note on the bypass defeat technique. Fords and Mopars don't have this option. Their engine get no more tired then a Chebbie does.

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Ok well Row Z you have to be careful when using an oil additive there are a lot of additives on the market that do not work. Well I guess you found out the hard way lol.
There are a few oil additives that actually do work. There are 3 major things in my opinion that you want to look for.

1. Make sure the product has had testing done and shows positive results. (There is no harmful effects to the engine in the long term)

2. That the product has documentation

3. The product has been SEO approved. Its expensive to have done that is why most companies/products have not done. This is what truckers look for. Because only a small amount of oil additives that go through the testing unless they work they wont pass.

If you go to http://www.oiladditive.tagzap.org they give you tips on using an oil additive what to look for, how you can benefit from it, etc. The product that they recommend has all 3 of these qualifications.

I checked it out got some for myself I increased my gas mileage by 12%. I got a lot of documentation from them something that might interest you is 2 racing companies use this product. Mustang racing being one.