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| Amsoil EAO vs PureONE
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Level 2 - 51 to 100 posts |
And this differs from any other oil company in what way? |
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Level 3 - 101 to 250 posts |
Tim - Fred Astair had nothing on you; you dance dance around, hitting your intended marks and avoiding the soft spots at will. Donaldson is the best because they know the most about their own technology? Fram is no good because they aren't experts on Donaldson's technology?
Do you have any idea how ridiculous that makes you sound? While there's been darn little useful information presented, I do enjoy your Daffy-esque sputtering gyrations, they are quite entertaining. Definitely "Duck Season". All of the lies you've heard about me are true |
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Level 3 - 101 to 250 posts |
they aren't on here trying to dispute it. |
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Level 1 - 1 to 50 posts |
So then you admit that Amsoil DOES indeed cherry pick data! |
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Level 2 - 51 to 100 posts |
I never said that. AND You know it. Tell me this, why is it that Amsoil bugs you so much? Such hatred? Just pure hate. Give it a rest. If you don't like the product, don't use it. Arguing about a product you will never use is about as dumb as a bag of hammers. |
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Level 2 - 51 to 100 posts |
True, they make their marketing claims and you swallow it no problem. |
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Level 1 - 1 to 50 posts |
First of all I suggest that you read the entire thread before making such remarks. If you did you should know that I used to be a Amsoil dealer myself primarily because I wanted the discount rates. I quit because I don't believe what I sell and I don't believe it is a economical solution for the claimed benefits when one has to pay a membership fee, shipping and state sales tax. Secondly, if the consumers blindly accept marketing statements without question, which is what you are implying, then we would be in a heap of trouble. It isn't about love or hate but proof of statements and the pursuit of truth. If the endeavor for truth is considered hatred then I guess in this age of discovery and science we are truly a hate filled society! Finally, if you notice the last part of the quote was written by RobertC and my reply was to his remark not yours. I am saying that he admits that all companies cherry pick numbers for marketing and Amsoil is no different which is why he believes that "we" aren't arguing against YOUR statement of "And this differs from any other oil company in what way? " Who wouldn't cherry pick numbers for marketing claims? |
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Level 2 - 51 to 100 posts |
1) I've actually read the entire thread. Long, and loony. If you don't believe in a product, fine. I don't get the state sales tax thing, others oils/companies don't charge tax in your state, but Amsoil does? 2) I never said you should "blindly accept marketing statements", I just think people should pursue truth equally. It seems as if statements such as RobertC's aren't applied across the board - seems like extra special scrutiny on Amsoil. Far more crazy claims are made by Pennzoil, Castrol, etc.... 3) Gotcha - I took that wrong. I thought you were responding to my comment. Sorry. |
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Level 3 - 101 to 250 posts |
Nope |
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Level 3 - 101 to 250 posts |
Robert & Ebola - I admire your valiant efforts, but at a certain point you have to tell yourself: "Amsoil is not just a compounder-blender; it is also a cult and these guys clearly drank the Kool-Aid and are currently sucking on the ice cubes they fished from the pitcher."
I personally just tweak them out of morbid curiousity and for my personal amusement. All of the lies you've heard about me are true |
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Level 2 - 51 to 100 posts |
At least you are honest about it. I'm done in this thread. It left OF's long ago. |
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Level 3 - 101 to 250 posts |
I complimented a non rabid amsoil guy on a motorcycle board the other day.
He actually listens and discusses intelligently. Oh, and SHHHHH, you gave away the secret.... |
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Level 4 - 251 to 500 posts |
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/...umber=1250177&page=1 Check out this thread, and you can see some UOA's and PARTICLE COUNTS comparing the Mobil 1 Oil Filter versus the Amsoil EaO Oil Filter. |
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Level 5 - 501 to 1000 posts |
IMO if you're looking to filter the oil and get the most junk out go with either a Pure One or a Mobil 1 filter. If you want to run oil for 25,000 miles use the Amsoil filter. Just be careful if you have a Toyota engine running an Amsoil filter too long, it appears there is a TSB about it. At least I read that somewhere.
I'd rather get the most dirt out of my engine so I pass on the Amsoil filters. JMO AD US Navy. Helping keep us safe. |
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Level 2 - 51 to 100 posts |
That's old data. Here's the latest from his comparison:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/...=1766068#Post1766068 |
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Level 4 - 251 to 500 posts |
Particle Count Data Point: P1 vs EaO
Ericm Offline Registered: 02/21/05 Posts: 53 Loc: CA Another particle count data point. I ran a Pure One filter for 4000 miles. I pulled an oil sample, then changed to an EaO filter without adding any new oil. I ran the EaO for 549 more miles and pulled the second sample. IMPORTANT NOTE: IT LOOKS AS IF THE EaO SAMPLE MAY HAVE BEEN MISTAKENLY CONTAMINATED WITH ADDTIONAL DIRT BASED ON A HIGH SILICON READING. (More Details at end of post.) Filter__P1___________EaO Miles on Filter_4042___________549 Miles On Oil_4042__________4591 Make up Oil_____1.0 qt________none Particle Count (microns) >5u____17159_______19501 >10u_____427_________474 >15u______49__________60 >20u______20__________25 >25u______11__________15 >50u_______2___________2 >75u_______0___________0 >100u______0___________0 Fe Debris_____15__________15 ISO______21/13_______21/13 Particle Volume_____2__________2 Anti Freeze____Pos*_______Trace* Water_____Pos**_______Neg Fuel_______Neg________Neg Elements PPM Cu_____1____________1 Fe_____2____________2 Cr_____0____________0 Ni_____0____________0 Ti_____0____________0 V______0___________0 Ag_____0___________0 Pb_____4___________2 Sn_____3___________0 Al______2___________2 Si______5__________16 Na_____3___________5 K_______0___________0 Mo____118__________96 B_____109_________116 Ba______0___________2 Ca___1994________1856 Mg______0___________0 Mn______2___________2 P_____946_________898 Sb______2___________7 Zn___1093________1005 Viscosity: 16.0 cst Oil type: Chevron Supreme 20w-50 * According to Butler Cat Lab the glycol test is extremely sensitive and may be a false positive. ** According to Lab the presence of water was low enough for a particle count to be taken. Water is counted as particles and will add to PC. A laser type particle counter was used. (The lab did not dilute the samples for particle counting). Vehicle is 1993 Geo Metro XFi. Total mileage at end of test was approx. 270,072. Filters were extra large oversize: Purolator PL30001 and EaO 15. Sampling procedure: Used rigid polyethylene tubing, otherwise the same as: http://theoildrop.server101.co.../s...true#Post866529 I think dirt contamination was introduced into the EaO sample possibly during the filter change due to wind blown dust (it took a while to pour oil from P1 filter into the EaO). I don’t think contamination occurred during sampling because I believe this would have raised the particle count of the larger particles in the 50, 75, and 100 micron range as well as the smaller sizes. It looks to me as though the EaO filter removed these larger sizes before sampling. Sorry about that. I got impatient and changed over to the EaO filter on a windy afternoon. Should have waited for a calm weekend morning, when I normally change oil. Comments welcome. |
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Level 5 - 501 to 1000 posts |
Trying to learn so go easy fellas. If the results were mistakenly contaminated what good are the test results?
AD US Navy. Helping keep us safe. |
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Level 1 - 1 to 50 posts |
P1>>EaO The metals aside from Fe and Al are just additives in the oil. On particle count P1 beats EaO. On the BITOG thread Mobil 1 beats EaO. P1 will be tested next. |
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Level 5 - 501 to 1000 posts |
To have run an accurate test,the amsoil filter should have had the same/similar milage. You pulled it with only 549 miles. You are comparing a semi loaded P1 media with a new relative clean media. The new amsoil media filtered particulates almost as good as a loaded P1 media. The P1 also restricts more as well. Over the long haul, the Donaldson/amsoil is superior! Imagine what it is doing at its half life. Moreover,why even bother with the P1,why not use the Bosch distance instead,...rated at 300% capacity and 99% efficient. Yes, it costs more up front like the amsoil. The Amsoil is a microglass depth filter, and the P1/bosch is synthetic and does not flow as well. These filters are two different animals,with the glass being far superior! Captain Kirk 2008 JEEP G.C. V-8/2009 MUSTANG V6/2002 VW 1.8T ALL VEHICLES/EQUIPMENT RUNNING WITH SYNLUBE LUBE-4-LIFE |
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Level 2 - 51 to 100 posts |
No it doesn't. All you've done is just prove your bias for all to read. Please precisely and clearly HOW YOU came to that conclusion. |
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