USE RMF FILTARTION SYSTEM!!!

What is RMF filtration system? I've never heard of it. Post a link! I've heard of a new system out called Second Generation Filtration. It's supposed to be built to handle the new engines and support 2007+ enviromental standards.

A little bit more data about available by-pass oil filters used for stationary engines, large compressors, electric generators, filter-pump carts...:
Amsoil Dual Gard

Racor/Parker LFS By-Pass
Gulf Coast Filter
Puradyn
MaxiLube

Parker (Racor) has a great deal of literature and testing information on the subject. Vist their website, parker.com, and go to Oil Filtration products.

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Originally posted by kelly tidwell:
appearantly someone has designed a tightly wound roll of paper/celluose media which is capable of distinguishing between dirt, fuel soot,wear metals, water,and the working ingredients necessary in motor oils for internal combustion engines?" how do it know ?" while attending oil and truck/car/ equipment shows i have spoken with various mfgrs of these filters and have been assured that these devices will not extract zinc, phosperous, boron, calcium, magnesium and other essential working components from motor oil.one gentleman produced a letter from a small fleet which stated " after 2000 miles the oil actually looks more clear than it did when it was poured from the bottle ".i asked the man if he knew what color neutral oil was,and after explaining what neutral was and its crystal clear appearance,and that the color of motor oil is a result of the additive pak,could he tell me how the oil would be cleaner if the additive pak were not being extracted? he suggested i write a letter to his company and they would explain how the filter would not absorb the elements i asked about.never got an answer.

kelly,
The elements that you mentioned, zinc, phosphorous, boron, calcium, and magnesium, are all the metallic base of additives. Because they are in solution, neither cellulose fiber filter, nor electrostatic filters would expunge them from oil, as the filters of these technologies are designed to take out only particles and not molecules. Only when additives are “spent” they might break apart and being deposited on the machine parts or hydrolyze, and in such form being taken out.

As far as the color of additized base oil or used oil is concerned, the answer why this occurs is yet to be offered by the scientific communities or oil manufacturers and blenders. However, a few unsubstantiated ideas float around that explain this phenomena as result of some type of oxidation of some oil components, or as a result of chemical reactions between oil and additives due to exposure to ultraviolet rays, temperature, etc. Therefore, it doesn’t surprise me that the oil rep didn’t give you an answer. How he/she (person at the truck/car/ equipment shows) would know when various labs that studied this could not come with the answer? That poor man had better chances to answer correctly if you wore briefs or boxers than this!

Glad to see a knowledgeable response being made here. Having spent 20 years involved in by pass filtration I'm far to used to seeing disinformation being supplied than anything else, though much of the misleading information arises from undue hype by some of the manufacturers.

my own company does far more work in hydraulic oil filtration than engine oil these days, but that's not because of the type of filters that we make, which are equally suitable for both. It has more to do with the rather less parochial attitude amongst hydraulic equipment manufacturers, who see us as simply another component supplier.

We shall be honourded if we are listed in your data base.

I represent Kleenoil. www.klenoilusa.com We have had tremendous success in keeping oil clean and reducing wear. Many of our customers are extending oil drain intervals safely using oil analysis. www.wearcheck.com

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Originally posted by kelly tidwell:
appearantly someone has designed a tightly wound roll of paper/celluose media which is capable of distinguishing between dirt, fuel soot,wear metals, water,and the working ingredients necessary in motor oils for internal combustion engines?" how do it know ?" while attending oil and truck/car/ equipment shows i have spoken with various mfgrs of these filters and have been assured that these devices will not extract zinc, phosperous, boron, calcium, magnesium and other essential working components from motor oil.one gentleman produced a letter from a small fleet which stated " after 2000 miles the oil actually looks more clear than it did when it was poured from the bottle ".i asked the man if he knew what color neutral oil was,and after explaining what neutral was and its crystal clear appearance,and that the color of motor oil is a result of the additive pak,could he tell me how the oil would be cleaner if the additive pak were not being extracted? he suggested i write a letter to his company and they would explain how the filter would not absorb the elements i asked about.never got an answer.

Additives are sum-micronic, thus with a cellulose paper media filter such as kleenoil, we only remove particle down to one micron nominal , three absolute. We will not remove any of the additives needed in the oil.

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Originally posted by Triad Lubrication:

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Originally posted by kelly tidwell:
appearantly someone has designed a tightly wound roll of paper/celluose media which is capable of distinguishing between dirt, fuel soot,wear metals, water,and the working ingredients necessary in motor oils for internal combustion engines?" how do it know ?" while attending oil and truck/car/ equipment shows i have spoken with various mfgrs of these filters and have been assured that these devices will not extract zinc, phosperous, boron, calcium, magnesium and other essential working components from motor oil.one gentleman produced a letter from a small fleet which stated " after 2000 miles the oil actually looks more clear than it did when it was poured from the bottle ".i asked the man if he knew what color neutral oil was,and after explaining what neutral was and its crystal clear appearance,and that the color of motor oil is a result of the additive pak,could he tell me how the oil would be cleaner if the additive pak were not being extracted? he suggested i write a letter to his company and they would explain how the filter would not absorb the elements i asked about.never got an answer.

Additives are sum-micronic, thus with a cellulose paper media filter such as kleenoil, we only remove particle down to one micron nominal , three absolute. We will not remove any of the additives needed in the oil.

spelling correction "SUB-micronic"

Klarol Oil Purifier is a thorough Oil cleaning system removing solid contaminants upto 1 micron ,liquid contaminants like moisture and fuel 100% from the oil and all the gaseous contaminants to a large extent.

It is installed on a diesel engine to extend the oil drain period more than 10 times.If used properly can achieve the motto "No More Change Of Oil"

It is also installed on hydraulic circuit to keep the oil at NAS 5 or better and zero
moisture.

Its trolley mounted model with independent pump motor can clean even oil of higher viscosity like 320 Cst and recoup any used oil for further use. Can remove even 10% water from the oil

visit website www.klarol.com or email to prabhakar@klarol.com

What is important is the efficiency and beta rating of your bypass filters.

My Warm Regards,


Rolly Angeles
RSA Reliability and Maintenance Consultancy firm
www.rsareliability.com

Mr Smiley,
I have been working with By-Pass filtration for the past 9 years and have tested many different products all of which offer some benifit one way or the other. As G2GREEN rightly noted, by surfing the net you will be amased how many new depth filtration suppliers there in fact are. In this regard, like most good full flow fiters, I have found that depth filtration in most instances is only as good as you manage and use them, and that in the end it boils down to cost effectiveness verses cleanliness and safe keeping of not only the lubricated component, but also the lubricant or fluid. I personnaly make use of Kleenoil Technology, and in fact manufacture my own depth filtration systems. Experiance has shown me that depth filtration works, and yes some better than others. The machines I work with have depth filtration on the fuel (diesel) engine, hydrualic, steering, and transmission systems. Engine oil drain intervals in some cases is as high as 2000 hour, with oil analysis reports still showing the oil fit for further use, while the hydrualic, steering and transmission oils are only changed by oil analysis, and in most cases have been in service for 10000 hr and longer. I also use depth filtration to filter final drives and differential oil which is maintained at an ISO cleanliness level as low as ISO 22/14/10. I HAVE MANY THOUSANDS OF OIL ANALYSIS REPORTS that confirm that the oil is still fit for further use, with additive packages still as good as new!!! To conclude, as the saying goes, "The proof of the puding is in the eating", thus what matters, is what works for you. I know that I have come in at a very late stage, and that you have by now already reached your goal, however, I would be please to share any information you may have to offer, or wish to request from me. Best regards
Boet Olivier

Hello G2green

I am curious why you left CC Jensen, or commonly known as CJC, off of your list. I'll assume you have never seen the results of using CJC systems or used it yourself so please visit our website and see for yourself. There is no other system operating at 3 micron absolute filtration that can remove the quantities of dirt and "VARNISH" that CJC filter systems. Each element can hold 12 - 15 pounds of dirt and or varnish. Note: The varnish is not filtered out, instead it is adsorbed by the filter material.

Please see for yourself, nothing else compares: www.klassenhydraulics.com

It's true that I haven't heard of it before and that would be the reason for leaving it out. After reading about it, it seems like a good filtering system. With no experience with it though I do have a concern with the motor and pump. What if they decided to stop working? You wouldn't be getting any filtering. This is why I would prefer something that runs off system power and not offline pumps and motors. But like I said I have no experience with it so I can't give it a fair assessment.

I personally like the new system that has come out in the past year called Generation 2 Filtration. It's comparable to Filtakleen, Triple R and Kleenoil with some excellent advantages. Here is the link:

http://www.generation2filtration.com/index.html

You should look at the Vikings from Cim-Tek Filtration, and perhaps the Centurian

http://www.cim-tek.com/Viking3.asp

http://www.cim-tek.com/Centurion4.asp

Just thought I'd contribute a bit more to this thread.
We have recently tried a Filter Technology Australia offline filtration unit on a job. This unit was used on a hire basis to tackle a job on a large gas compressor that had a continuous ingress of water from a leaking cooling pump. As you could imagine the contaminate and moisture levels had increased to unacceptable levels, our job was to maintain this system until corrective action could be taken. We were able to maintain this 800 litre system at 15/13/8 with moisture levels at 38ppm.
The offline filter systems that Filter Technology Australia use have there own patented depth filters.
I was that impressed with the outcome, my company has since taken on these filtration systems as a distributor.
Check out www.filtertechnology.com.au
They have agents in most countries and would be worth checking out, particuarly the guys involved in mining.

We have used Chainings filters. They are edge wound filters that have a very high dirt and moisture carrying capacity. See:
http://www.chainings.com/introduction.htm

Some years ago the research centre of the multinational oil company I worked for evaluated the bipass 'bog roll filter'.
Their conclusion was that the major contribution to increased oil life was the increase in lube oil volume!!

I agree. This principle is most likely to be caused by high flow --> high cooling effect and short contact of the oil to a surface with an elevated temperature. The bigger the sump, the longer the life of the oil. (everything has his limits)