Christ, Tim sounds more and more like a synlube pusher.......
I can see why Sarge all but completely retired from the internet. All this crap over a product he doesn't sell.
And I'm really tired of hearing how their sales are at record levels, or how they're #1, etc.
Let's see the proof.
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quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
Christ, Tim sounds more and more like a synlube pusher.......
I can see why Sarge all but completely retired from the internet. All this crap over a product he doesn't sell.
And I'm really tired of hearing how their sales are at record levels, or how they're #1, etc.
Let's see the proof.
Sickening isn't it Trajan? I wish they'd muzzle him so we could stay on topic, and not have to deal with his constant rebuttals and Amsoil pushing. I could see why Sarge would want to retire from the Internet, its this Kind of grind that can get old real fast. Hang in there Sarge, Tim is losing in the popularity poles.
Tim- FYI Turtle Wax bought the MMO company, the product is alive and well, No problems with the FTC or the EPA either. No payouts for blown engines either.
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Since you insist again on going off topic to talk about AMSOIL, it look's like you need a lesson in AMSOIL history: "Amatuzio began conducting serious research in 1963. By 1966 he had formulated a synthetic motor oil and put it to use in vehicles in northern Minnesota. Throughout the late ’60s Amatuzio continued his research and development and sold commercially available synthetic oils under a variety of names. In 1970 he incorporated his own name into a commercially sold product called AMMOIL. In 1971 this product name was changed to AMZOIL and it continued to be sold commercially. The true milestone came in 1972 when AMZOIL became the first synthetic motor oil in the world to meet American Petroleum Institute criteria. The new lubricant performed like no other before it. When the first can appeared on the market in 1972, it signaled the birth of an entire industry. AMSOIL synthetic lubricants have expanded the boundaries of lubrication science and redefined the performance possibilities of modern machinery and engines."quote:Originally posted by Sarge:
Tim,
Allow me to approach this form a different angle.
Amsoil has been in business since what? 1959 or something.
AMSOIL doesn't compete globally. Just US and Canada with a few outlets worldwide. And only in the synthetic oil market which is about 10% of all oil sales in the US. And in the extended oil change market, which is about 10% of that, AMSOIL has far more of that share, about 80%, than Mobil 1 EP and Castrol Edge. AMSOIL refuses to sell to WalMart and the other huge retailers to support their AMSOIL dealers.quote:Originally posted by Sarge: In this 50 years they have captured less than 1% of the global sales of the engine oil market. If it was so good why such a small market share?
AMSOIL is a US company and made here. Most automotive manufacturers have world wide manufacturing and distribution. Why would they want to use it if it is not available to them and their worldwide customers? Auto manufactures tend to use the lowest cost oil that meets their specs that gets them past the warranty period. And many have their own oil brands they push. Why pay more dollars for the best oil, when a midlevel oil accomplishes all of this for them? And NONE of them say you can't upgrade to AMSOIL or that it will void factory warranty, even with extended oil change intervals.quote:Originally posted by Sarge: They If it was so good why wouldn't the automotive manufacturers all use it?
Yep. And undisputed by the industry. The 4 ball test is a widely accepted ASTM test. All oil manufacturers use it. Only AMSOIL publishes the test results. None of the competition disputes AMSOIL's test data.quote:Originally posted by Sarge: Amsoil has spent significant resources polishing the pig with all kinds of 4ball wear test and paid "test" showing they are the best of the best.
Mobil 1 only has 10% of the extended oil change interval market. AMSOIL has 80%.quote:Originally posted by Sarge: yet only have a fraction Mobil1 has 60%+ of the market.
Where have they laughed? I found 8 results on AMSOIL on the Mobil1 website. Seems like a lot of acknowledgment. Why do they copy AMSOIL in these firsts? Seems Exxon must admire AMSOIL's accomplishments a lot to try to copy them (sincerest form of flattery). In fact Mobil told Amatuzio he should feel honored that they copied him when Mobil came out with Mobil 1 25,000 mile oil a few years after AMSOIL :quote:Originally posted by Sarge: They just laugh at Amsoil and make no attempt to even acknowledge Amsoil exist. Same with SOPUS.
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I defer to the forum here. I tried to keep the subject matter to TallPauls original subject matter....but no...we all have to be trolled by Tim The Amsoil Nazi. "Where is the data on TCW3" "Here is the history of Amsoil" "Here is all the polished pig Amsoil marketing links"
Just unreal. Tim it does not work man.
I am heading to my place in Grand Cayman Tim. I'll check back with you from there. My ranch is just outside of Boerne. Your close. You should really stop by and see our operation here. I have one of the top Amsoil "Jobbers" here who is a good friend and very succesful engine builder. I also have a good friend who is a Shaefeers distributor. We all get along just fine and have some very good discussions on oil and such. You should join one of our "feed store and coffee" discussions. I am truly amazed at your post and must met you to see for myself.
Just unreal. Tim it does not work man.
I am heading to my place in Grand Cayman Tim. I'll check back with you from there. My ranch is just outside of Boerne. Your close. You should really stop by and see our operation here. I have one of the top Amsoil "Jobbers" here who is a good friend and very succesful engine builder. I also have a good friend who is a Shaefeers distributor. We all get along just fine and have some very good discussions on oil and such. You should join one of our "feed store and coffee" discussions. I am truly amazed at your post and must met you to see for myself.
I just wanted to discuss TCW3. It was you and others who kept bringing up and asking about AMSOIL. I was just answering your questions. You don't seem very interested in discussing TCW3. Why is that?quote:Originally posted by Sarge:
I got tired of talking with you Tim so I went and had an intelligent discussion with one of my steers.
Unbelievable from a grown man. Just unreal.
I defer to the forum here. I tried to keep the subject matter to TallPauls original subject matter....but no...we all have to be trolled by Tim The Amsoil Nazi. "Where is the data on TCW3" "Here is the history of Amsoil" "Here is all the polished pig Amsoil marketing links"
Just unreal.
You said "All I can say is we have documented well over 6 million miles in our volunteers automobiles since I began this experiment.
To date not one negative. So many postives from quiter fuel pumps to MPG increases to quieter valve assembly.
I do not defend nor sale anything. I just set it up and documented all of it."
So let's see your documentation...
quote:Originally posted by Tim Vipond:I just wanted to discuss TCW3. It was you and others who kept bringing up and asking about AMSOIL. I was just answering your questions. You don't seem very interested in discussing TCW3. Why is that?quote:Originally posted by Sarge:
I got tired of talking with you Tim so I went and had an intelligent discussion with one of my steers.
Unbelievable from a grown man. Just unreal.
I defer to the forum here. I tried to keep the subject matter to TallPauls original subject matter....but no...we all have to be trolled by Tim The Amsoil Nazi. "Where is the data on TCW3" "Here is the history of Amsoil" "Here is all the polished pig Amsoil marketing links"
Just unreal.
You said "All I can say is we have documented well over 6 million miles in our volunteers automobiles since I began this experiment.
To date not one negative. So many postives from quiter fuel pumps to MPG increases to quieter valve assembly.
I do not defend nor sale anything. I just set it up and documented all of it."
So let's see your documentation...
It is all posted on the WWW. Have fun!
And by the way...I edited my post there on you Tim...I felt it was too harsh so I changed it while you were responding there.
Tim it was your shameless self serving Amsoil plug, just like 95% of your posts here plugging Amsoil that tossed this topic into the crapper. We were trying to discuss TCW3 and UCL in general, can we do that in peace without Amsoil plugs, ads, statistics, and history? You are turning people off to Amsoil big time!
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Where is YOUR documentation? Please provide.quote:Originally posted by Sarge:quote:Originally posted by Tim Vipond:I just wanted to discuss TCW3. It was you and others who kept bringing up and asking about AMSOIL. I was just answering your questions. You don't seem very interested in discussing TCW3. Why is that?quote:Originally posted by Sarge:
I got tired of talking with you Tim so I went and had an intelligent discussion with one of my steers.
Unbelievable from a grown man. Just unreal.
I defer to the forum here. I tried to keep the subject matter to TallPauls original subject matter....but no...we all have to be trolled by Tim The Amsoil Nazi. "Where is the data on TCW3" "Here is the history of Amsoil" "Here is all the polished pig Amsoil marketing links"
Just unreal.
You said "All I can say is we have documented well over 6 million miles in our volunteers automobiles since I began this experiment.
To date not one negative. So many postives from quiter fuel pumps to MPG increases to quieter valve assembly.
I do not defend nor sale anything. I just set it up and documented all of it."
So let's see your documentation...
It is all posted on the WWW. Have fun!
quote:Originally posted by Tim Vipond:Where is YOUR documentation? Please provide.quote:Originally posted by Sarge:quote:Originally posted by Tim Vipond:I just wanted to discuss TCW3. It was you and others who kept bringing up and asking about AMSOIL. I was just answering your questions. You don't seem very interested in discussing TCW3. Why is that?quote:Originally posted by Sarge:
I got tired of talking with you Tim so I went and had an intelligent discussion with one of my steers.
Unbelievable from a grown man. Just unreal.
I defer to the forum here. I tried to keep the subject matter to TallPauls original subject matter....but no...we all have to be trolled by Tim The Amsoil Nazi. "Where is the data on TCW3" "Here is the history of Amsoil" "Here is all the polished pig Amsoil marketing links"
Just unreal.
You said "All I can say is we have documented well over 6 million miles in our volunteers automobiles since I began this experiment.
To date not one negative. So many postives from quiter fuel pumps to MPG increases to quieter valve assembly.
I do not defend nor sale anything. I just set it up and documented all of it."
So let's see your documentation...
It is all posted on the WWW. Have fun!
I have heard Silvan Learning Center has opening in their reading and comprehension class Tim. You can contact them at your convenience.
Documentation of thousands of people discussing putting TCW3 in their fuel? You are high aren't you?
quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:
Tim it was your shameless self serving Amsoil plug, just like 95% of your posts here plugging Amsoil that tossed this topic into the crapper. We were trying to discuss TCW3 and UCL in general, can we do that in peace without Amsoil plugs, ads, statistics, and history? You are turning people off to Amsoil big time!
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Amsoil is aware of Tim trust me. Gotta run...the car is here....off to Cayman....
So you have no document. Just internet "BS and silliness" as you put it... And lots of insults. Nice...
quote:Originally posted by Tim Vipond:I just wanted to discuss TCW3. It was you and others who kept bringing up and asking about AMSOIL. I was just answering your questions. You don't seem very interested in discussing TCW3. Why is that?quote:Originally posted by Sarge:
I got tired of talking with you Tim so I went and had an intelligent discussion with one of my steers.
Unbelievable from a grown man. Just unreal.
I defer to the forum here. I tried to keep the subject matter to TallPauls original subject matter....but no...we all have to be trolled by Tim The Amsoil Nazi. "Where is the data on TCW3" "Here is the history of Amsoil" "Here is all the polished pig Amsoil marketing links"
Just unreal.
You said "All I can say is we have documented well over 6 million miles in our volunteers automobiles since I began this experiment.
To date not one negative. So many postives from quiter fuel pumps to MPG increases to quieter valve assembly.
I do not defend nor sale anything. I just set it up and documented all of it."
So let's see your documentation...
If you just wanted to discuss TC-W3, explain this then:
Tim Vipond
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Posted Oct 14, 3:54 PM Hide Post
Why not use a product formulated specifically for your purpose such as https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/api.aspx?zo=1181889 ?
Not only is that NOT TC-W3, it is also, despite your claim, the first mention of Amsoil in this thread.
No one was talking Amsoil till you stuck your oar in.
It was a legitimate question. Why use TCW3 when the TCW3 manufacturers don't recommend it. Why not use products that were formulated for, tested, and have already proven for that application? I was hoping for a good reason, but none was given. Still waiting...quote:Originally posted by Trajan:quote:Originally posted by Tim Vipond:I just wanted to discuss TCW3. It was you and others who kept bringing up and asking about AMSOIL. I was just answering your questions. You don't seem very interested in discussing TCW3. Why is that?quote:Originally posted by Sarge:
I got tired of talking with you Tim so I went and had an intelligent discussion with one of my steers.
Unbelievable from a grown man. Just unreal.
I defer to the forum here. I tried to keep the subject matter to TallPauls original subject matter....but no...we all have to be trolled by Tim The Amsoil Nazi. "Where is the data on TCW3" "Here is the history of Amsoil" "Here is all the polished pig Amsoil marketing links"
Just unreal.
You said "All I can say is we have documented well over 6 million miles in our volunteers automobiles since I began this experiment.
To date not one negative. So many postives from quiter fuel pumps to MPG increases to quieter valve assembly.
I do not defend nor sale anything. I just set it up and documented all of it."
So let's see your documentation...
If you just wanted to discuss TC-W3, explain this then:
Tim Vipond
Level 4 - 251 to 500 posts
Posted Oct 14, 3:54 PM Hide Post
Why not use a product formulated specifically for your purpose such as https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/api.aspx?zo=1181889 ?
Not only is that NOT TC-W3, it is also, despite your claim, the first mention of Amsoil in this thread.
No one was talking Amsoil till you stuck your oar in.
Open your mind Tim think out of the box, try and learn. Join LS1 ask for a good reason why all those people are using TCW3, and with good results, then tell'em how you really feel! Plug Amsoil there, I'm sure they'd love to hear from ya!
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quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:
Open your mind Tim think out of the box, try and learn. Join LS1 ask for a good reason why all those people are using TCW3, and with good results, then tell'em how you really feel! Plug Amsoil there, I'm sure they'd love to hear from ya!
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AMSOIL is already discussed there. I think there is an AMSOIL sponsor there. Very positive results. Good enough for me.
I got a response from the Pennzoil technical group:
From: pqsandcarcaretechnical-us@shell.com
Subject: Re: Pennzoil Synthetic Marine Full Synthetic 2 cycle oil in 4 cycle engines.
Date: December 13, 2010 8:34:45 AM CST
To: timvipond@comcast.net
Dear Consumer,
No matter what other people say. Do not use 2 cycle engine oil in a
4 cycle motor. You will cause major damage to your engine.
Regards,
Technical Service, sn
On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 14:58:10 -0600 you wrote:
Do you recommend the use of Pennzoil Marine Full Synthetic 2 cycle
oil in 4 cycle gasoline automotive engines?
Why or why not?
It is being recommended and tested here: http://www.ls1.com/forums/
showthread.php?t=91206 .
Any benefits? Any drawbacks? Have you done testing?
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The way I read that it can be taken as (used in the crankcase instead of engine oil), and yes that will wreck an engine. It should have been asked if it could be added to the gas as a UCL. The legal dept would probably so no anyway. So the question IMO was worded wrong.
When you think out of the box you're on your own. The response was typical a of an oil company's legal response. Maybe they should try and ask the question again. My .02$
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When you think out of the box you're on your own. The response was typical a of an oil company's legal response. Maybe they should try and ask the question again. My .02$
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quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:
The way I read that it can be taken as (used in the crankcase instead of engine oil), and yes that will wreck an engine. It should have been asked if it could be added to the gas as a UCL. The legal dept would probably so no anyway. So the question IMO was worded wrong.
When you think out of the box you're on your own. The response was typical a of an oil company's legal response. Maybe they should try and ask the question again. My .02$
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I provided them the link where the discussion takes place about their product and the application.
Feel free to contact them with your questions.
I'm sure Shell scientists, like all scientists, "think out of the box" all the time.
Doubt they'll even bother with the link, the question was worded wrong, or intentionally worded that way to get a calculated response. Reading that question that answer is almost word for word how I would have replied.
Their answer doesn't matter to me, I know it works, I know MMO works, doesn't matter what I'm told. The LS1 forum just proves my point even more. Children ask questions a certain way to get an answer they are looking for. LOL
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Nice try Tim I see it was you who asked the question...................LOL
Their answer doesn't matter to me, I know it works, I know MMO works, doesn't matter what I'm told. The LS1 forum just proves my point even more. Children ask questions a certain way to get an answer they are looking for. LOL
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Nice try Tim I see it was you who asked the question...................LOL
Guys, here is the scoop, our Amsoil Salesman named Tim Vipond, has been BANNED from Bitog and just about every other automotive forum.
He will say ANYTHING to push Amsoil and line his pockets with your money, all of Amsoil's so called tests are BOGUS since the lab that does there tests are owned by Amsoil.
I do not need any tests on either 2-cycle oil or MMO in the fuel since I know that it works and does no harm.
Tim has been laughed at on so many other forums as just another pushy Amsoil salesman.
Do any of the so called automakers recommend using Amsoil, or do they say that it is there factory fill.
Remember guys, when you listen to Tim, you need to realize that he is not a car guy, but he is really an Amsoil Salesperson.
Tim, worked on the fuel side at Shell, that is where he gets his pension, he is just shilling Amsoil for some extra money. He has absolutely no knowledge about MOTOR OIL's or anything else.
I am willing to bet that he was just a PAPER PUSHER for Shell and his credentials are really worthless for any discussion that we are having here.
Tim has a habit of jumping into threads just to push his own agenda, he cares more about putting money in his own pocket as opposed to what is best for us car guys.
I know many Amsoil salesman who feel that Tim is doing a disservice for the Amsoil brand name, the problem is that since he is an INDEPENDENT AMSOIL SALESMAN he can say what he wants and the sad truth is that as long as Amsoil is selling product, they really do not care.
I long for the day when Amsoil is sold at Wal-Mart and they get rid of worthless sales people like Tim who will say anything to push the product, until that time comes, then I guess we will have to keep reading Tim's wacky posts that just provide us with confusion with the hopes that we will buy Amsoil products.
All he provides us is with confusion, scare tactics, personal attacks on other products with absolutely no proof that these other products are harmful to our engines.
He will say ANYTHING to push Amsoil and line his pockets with your money, all of Amsoil's so called tests are BOGUS since the lab that does there tests are owned by Amsoil.
I do not need any tests on either 2-cycle oil or MMO in the fuel since I know that it works and does no harm.
Tim has been laughed at on so many other forums as just another pushy Amsoil salesman.
Do any of the so called automakers recommend using Amsoil, or do they say that it is there factory fill.
Remember guys, when you listen to Tim, you need to realize that he is not a car guy, but he is really an Amsoil Salesperson.
Tim, worked on the fuel side at Shell, that is where he gets his pension, he is just shilling Amsoil for some extra money. He has absolutely no knowledge about MOTOR OIL's or anything else.
I am willing to bet that he was just a PAPER PUSHER for Shell and his credentials are really worthless for any discussion that we are having here.
Tim has a habit of jumping into threads just to push his own agenda, he cares more about putting money in his own pocket as opposed to what is best for us car guys.
I know many Amsoil salesman who feel that Tim is doing a disservice for the Amsoil brand name, the problem is that since he is an INDEPENDENT AMSOIL SALESMAN he can say what he wants and the sad truth is that as long as Amsoil is selling product, they really do not care.
I long for the day when Amsoil is sold at Wal-Mart and they get rid of worthless sales people like Tim who will say anything to push the product, until that time comes, then I guess we will have to keep reading Tim's wacky posts that just provide us with confusion with the hopes that we will buy Amsoil products.
All he provides us is with confusion, scare tactics, personal attacks on other products with absolutely no proof that these other products are harmful to our engines.