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We have been task with taking oil samples on some A/C units that have been dubbed as critical to plant operation. Our A/C techs are not in favor of obtaining samples due to the extra work of topping off the oil and possible introduction of contaiminates to the units. The system engineer wants to obtain an 8 oz. sample 4 oz. for the lab and 4 oz. for a retain.

I would like to know the pro's and con's of obtaining samples. The tech would like to draw a 1 oz. sample and only check for acid. We think we should test for acid, moisture, and wear particles.

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We are sampling our chillers on a regular basis. We are taking refrigerant and oil samples on all of our critical equipment. We had to have 2 chillers fail before we became believers. You must do both to understand the health of your equipment. Doing those acid kits for oil and refrigerant tell you when things are too late. We take a refrigerant sample and an oil sample and send it to National Refrigerants for a complete analysis and recomendations of actions that need taken. Herguth labs is also getting on this trend of predictive maintenance. Another piece of data to help us to determine when to do maintenance instead of the equipment telling us when it stops running.
Pete, if you want to know what is going on with your equipment, testing acid, moisture and wear particles will only give you part of the picture. The refrigerant is an integral part of the system and interacts with the lubricant both physically and chemically. Moisture and acidity are two useful tools, but need to be examined with the rest of the physical and chemical properties of the lubricant and refrigerant, especially if you want to identify the root cause of potential problems with the system.

I know it may be unpopular to say this on the site, but wear particle analysis of refrigeration lubricants is not widely used by the labs who specialize in these systems, including the OEMs who build and life test the compressors. By the time you see larger particles, the system is already toast. The smaller particles are easily picked up by the ICP metals analysis. Particle analysis may be useful to give a proper post mortem, but you will get the same information when you tear apart the failed compressor.

I am a firm believer in the analysis of critical HVAC/R equipment. The HVAC/R contractors who service equipment on a fixed cost annual basis do a lot of oil testing to monitor the condition of the equipment. Those that service equipment on a get paid to fix it when it breaks basis do not do oil or refrigerant testing, unless it is specified by the equipment owner. The economics change when you get paid to prevent equipment problems, rather than paid to fix equipment problems. As an equipment owner with a lot of money riding on outages, you should want to be in the first category.
I'm guessing that you work in a union environment by the description of your problem. Topping off the oil is not that much work and this actually has a slight benefit because the oil you introduce has a 'fresh' additive package. Steps can be taken to add the oil cleanly. What I've just said is all fluff anyway. You need the data that comes from oil analysis to maintain the reliability of your equipment. Don't back down on this issue. Do what is right, not what is easy.
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