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K kjellvoldenMember
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Smiley:
I am compiling a database of oil bypass filter system manufacturers and I would like to know if anyone has any particular company they could recommend.


I would recommend EUROPAFILTER. It's a system that clean every kind of oils down to 0,1 microns! Take a look at WWW.EUROPAFILTER.COM
The side are mostly in norwegian, but there are a little in english.
If you are interested in more informations, please feel free to contact me.
J javamanMember
quote:
Originally posted by Kjell Volden:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Smiley:
I am compiling a database of oil bypass filter system manufacturers and I would like to know if anyone has any particular company they could recommend.


I would recommend EUROPAFILTER. It's a system that clean every kind of oils down to 0,1 microns! Take a look at WWW.EUROPAFILTER.COM
The side are mostly in norwegian, but there are a little in english.
If you are interested in more informations, please feel free to contact me.


I would like information on the Europafilter if at all possible.
B barkermanMember
Here is a filter we are testing in actual use. It requires less makeup oil than others we have tested and appears to be doing a good job on heavy trucks used offroad. The filter's ability to absorb contaminates and keep working appears to be better than other filters. The filter surface is in deep layers and the junk appears to not make it past the outer layears and the inner layers do the fine filter work. No a very scientific explination, just an observation.
C craigMember
In response the the last post about CJ Jensen bypass filtration. I have personally seen numerous of these units in operation and they seem to work very well on oil that is not overly contaminated. The only area where these filters fail is in addressing water contamination. Due to the filter media being paper (medium cellulose fiber) the service life of elements can be very limiting and thus costly and prohibitive.
B buckhntrMember
Craig,
Using filtration to remove water is always going to be an expensive option. Water removing element have a very short life and limited capacity which translates into $$$ very rapidly. Filtration is not an economical option when dealing with chronic water problem. For incidental water it can be a good choice. Filters for debris and other options such as centrifuges, coalescers, air stripping, or vacuum dehydration for chronic water.
H harvMember
Mr. Smilely, Craig, Buck Hntr, and James Coxhead

I would like to clear up some misinformation on the CC Jensen offline filters and filter separators. Please check out for yourself the extremely high dirt and varnish capacities, several methods of free and dissolved water removal and the many documented case studies for all types of applications including refiners.
Please visit our [URL=http://www.klassenhydraulics.com ]website[/URL] for more information.
Thanks
K kellytidwellMember
appearantly someone has designed a tightly wound roll of paper/celluose media which is capable of distinguishing between dirt, fuel soot,wear metals, water,and the working ingredients necessary in motor oils for internal combustion engines?" how do it know ?" while attending oil and truck/car/ equipment shows i have spoken with various mfgrs of these filters and have been assured that these devices will not extract zinc, phosperous, boron, calcium, magnesium and other essential working components from motor oil.one gentleman produced a letter from a small fleet which stated " after 2000 miles the oil actually looks more clear than it did when it was poured from the bottle ".i asked the man if he knew what color neutral oil was,and after explaining what neutral was and its crystal clear appearance,and that the color of motor oil is a result of the additive pak,could he tell me how the oil would be cleaner if the additive pak were not being extracted? he suggested i write a letter to his company and they would explain how the filter would not absorb the elements i asked about.never got an answer.
G g2greenMember
Here are some websites of reputable by-pass filter companies. Some are obviously better than others. After much research, I would recommend Filtakleen, Gulf Coast Flters, GVF- triple R, or FS-2500.

http://www.filtakleen.ca/

http://www.gvf-triple-r.com/

http://filtrationsolutionsww.com/

http://www.gulfcoastfilters.com/

http://members.shaw.ca/amsoildealer/bf.htm

http://www.envirokleen.org/

http://www.oilguard.com/

http://www.kleenoil.ca/

http://www.machinecare.com/harvard.html

http://www.wefilterit.com/

http://www.oilpursys.com/

Of course there are more, but these are some of the main ones dealing with ultra fine 1-5 micron range filtration.


G2green
J johnmMember
quote:
Originally posted by kelly tidwell:
appearantly someone has designed a tightly wound roll of paper/celluose media which is capable of distinguishing between dirt, fuel soot,wear metals, water,and the working ingredients necessary in motor oils for internal combustion engines?" how do it know ?" while attending oil and truck/car/ equipment shows i have spoken with various mfgrs of these filters and have been assured that these devices will not extract zinc, phosperous, boron, calcium, magnesium and other essential working components from motor oil.one gentleman produced a letter from a small fleet which stated " after 2000 miles the oil actually looks more clear than it did when it was poured from the bottle ".i asked the man if he knew what color neutral oil was,and after explaining what neutral was and its crystal clear appearance,and that the color of motor oil is a result of the additive pak,could he tell me how the oil would be cleaner if the additive pak were not being extracted? he suggested i write a letter to his company and they would explain how the filter would not absorb the elements i asked about.never got an answer.


kelly,
The elements that you mentioned, zinc, phosphorous, boron, calcium, and magnesium, are all the metallic base of additives. Because they are in solution, neither cellulose fiber filter, nor electrostatic filters would expunge them from oil, as the filters of these technologies are designed to take out only particles and not molecules. Only when additives are “spent” they might break apart and being deposited on the machine parts or hydrolyze, and in such form being taken out.

As far as the color of additized base oil or used oil is concerned, the answer why this occurs is yet to be offered by the scientific communities or oil manufacturers and blenders. However, a few unsubstantiated ideas float around that explain this phenomena as result of some type of oxidation of some oil components, or as a result of chemical reactions between oil and additives due to exposure to ultraviolet rays, temperature, etc. Therefore, it doesn’t surprise me that the oil rep didn’t give you an answer. How he/she (person at the truck/car/ equipment shows) would know when various labs that studied this could not come with the answer? That poor man had better chances to answer correctly if you wore briefs or boxers than this!
B bpflMember
Glad to see a knowledgeable response being made here. Having spent 20 years involved in by pass filtration I'm far to used to seeing disinformation being supplied than anything else, though much of the misleading information arises from undue hype by some of the manufacturers.

my own company does far more work in hydraulic oil filtration than engine oil these days, but that's not because of the type of filters that we make, which are equally suitable for both. It has more to do with the rather less parochial attitude amongst hydraulic equipment manufacturers, who see us as simply another component supplier.
T triadlubricationMember
quote:
Originally posted by kelly tidwell:
appearantly someone has designed a tightly wound roll of paper/celluose media which is capable of distinguishing between dirt, fuel soot,wear metals, water,and the working ingredients necessary in motor oils for internal combustion engines?" how do it know ?" while attending oil and truck/car/ equipment shows i have spoken with various mfgrs of these filters and have been assured that these devices will not extract zinc, phosperous, boron, calcium, magnesium and other essential working components from motor oil.one gentleman produced a letter from a small fleet which stated " after 2000 miles the oil actually looks more clear than it did when it was poured from the bottle ".i asked the man if he knew what color neutral oil was,and after explaining what neutral was and its crystal clear appearance,and that the color of motor oil is a result of the additive pak,could he tell me how the oil would be cleaner if the additive pak were not being extracted? he suggested i write a letter to his company and they would explain how the filter would not absorb the elements i asked about.never got an answer.


Additives are sum-micronic, thus with a cellulose paper media filter such as kleenoil, we only remove particle down to one micron nominal , three absolute. We will not remove any of the additives needed in the oil.
T triadlubricationMember
quote:
Originally posted by Triad Lubrication:
quote:
Originally posted by kelly tidwell:
appearantly someone has designed a tightly wound roll of paper/celluose media which is capable of distinguishing between dirt, fuel soot,wear metals, water,and the working ingredients necessary in motor oils for internal combustion engines?" how do it know ?" while attending oil and truck/car/ equipment shows i have spoken with various mfgrs of these filters and have been assured that these devices will not extract zinc, phosperous, boron, calcium, magnesium and other essential working components from motor oil.one gentleman produced a letter from a small fleet which stated " after 2000 miles the oil actually looks more clear than it did when it was poured from the bottle ".i asked the man if he knew what color neutral oil was,and after explaining what neutral was and its crystal clear appearance,and that the color of motor oil is a result of the additive pak,could he tell me how the oil would be cleaner if the additive pak were not being extracted? he suggested i write a letter to his company and they would explain how the filter would not absorb the elements i asked about.never got an answer.


Additives are sum-micronic, thus with a cellulose paper media filter such as kleenoil, we only remove particle down to one micron nominal , three absolute. We will not remove any of the additives needed in the oil.


spelling correction "SUB-micronic"
P prabhakaragrawalMember
Klarol Oil Purifier is a thorough Oil cleaning system removing solid contaminants upto 1 micron ,liquid contaminants like moisture and fuel 100% from the oil and all the gaseous contaminants to a large extent.

It is installed on a diesel engine to extend the oil drain period more than 10 times.If used properly can achieve the motto "No More Change Of Oil"

It is also installed on hydraulic circuit to keep the oil at NAS 5 or better and zero
moisture.

Its trolley mounted model with independent pump motor can clean even oil of higher viscosity like 320 Cst and recoup any used oil for further use. Can remove even 10% water from the oil

visit website www.klarol.com or email to prabhakar@klarol.com
F flacguardMember
Mr Smiley,
I have been working with By-Pass filtration for the past 9 years and have tested many different products all of which offer some benifit one way or the other. As G2GREEN rightly noted, by surfing the net you will be amased how many new depth filtration suppliers there in fact are. In this regard, like most good full flow fiters, I have found that depth filtration in most instances is only as good as you manage and use them, and that in the end it boils down to cost effectiveness verses cleanliness and safe keeping of not only the lubricated component, but also the lubricant or fluid. I personnaly make use of Kleenoil Technology, and in fact manufacture my own depth filtration systems. Experiance has shown me that depth filtration works, and yes some better than others. The machines I work with have depth filtration on the fuel (diesel) engine, hydrualic, steering, and transmission systems. Engine oil drain intervals in some cases is as high as 2000 hour, with oil analysis reports still showing the oil fit for further use, while the hydrualic, steering and transmission oils are only changed by oil analysis, and in most cases have been in service for 10000 hr and longer. I also use depth filtration to filter final drives and differential oil which is maintained at an ISO cleanliness level as low as ISO 22/14/10. I HAVE MANY THOUSANDS OF OIL ANALYSIS REPORTS that confirm that the oil is still fit for further use, with additive packages still as good as new!!! To conclude, as the saying goes, "The proof of the puding is in the eating", thus what matters, is what works for you. I know that I have come in at a very late stage, and that you have by now already reached your goal, however, I would be please to share any information you may have to offer, or wish to request from me. Best regards
Boet Olivier
H harvMember
Hello G2green

I am curious why you left CC Jensen, or commonly known as CJC, off of your list. I'll assume you have never seen the results of using CJC systems or used it yourself so please visit our website and see for yourself. There is no other system operating at 3 micron absolute filtration that can remove the quantities of dirt and "VARNISH" that CJC filter systems. Each element can hold 12 - 15 pounds of dirt and or varnish. Note: The varnish is not filtered out, instead it is adsorbed by the filter material.

Please see for yourself, nothing else compares: www.klassenhydraulics.com
G g2greenMember
It's true that I haven't heard of it before and that would be the reason for leaving it out. After reading about it, it seems like a good filtering system. With no experience with it though I do have a concern with the motor and pump. What if they decided to stop working? You wouldn't be getting any filtering. This is why I would prefer something that runs off system power and not offline pumps and motors. But like I said I have no experience with it so I can't give it a fair assessment.

I personally like the new system that has come out in the past year called Generation 2 Filtration. It's comparable to Filtakleen, Triple R and Kleenoil with some excellent advantages. Here is the link:

http://www.generation2filtration.com/index.html
L lubemateMember
Just thought I'd contribute a bit more to this thread.
We have recently tried a Filter Technology Australia offline filtration unit on a job. This unit was used on a hire basis to tackle a job on a large gas compressor that had a continuous ingress of water from a leaking cooling pump. As you could imagine the contaminate and moisture levels had increased to unacceptable levels, our job was to maintain this system until corrective action could be taken. We were able to maintain this 800 litre system at 15/13/8 with moisture levels at 38ppm.
The offline filter systems that Filter Technology Australia use have there own patented depth filters.
I was that impressed with the outcome, my company has since taken on these filtration systems as a distributor.
Check out www.filtertechnology.com.au
They have agents in most countries and would be worth checking out, particuarly the guys involved in mining.
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