I've checked lots of URL's info but still am wondering what is the main source or ingredient? Anything else would also be good to know.
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It sounds very interesting, but I can't find out what exactly the type of liquid hydrocarbon treatment that it is. The figures suggest that it might be very economical to use and maintain the proper levels in your tank, and if the savings in fuel consumption are right, then I guess we all should start dumping into our tank.
I'm with you though, a little bit more technical information would be nice before spending the cash flow.
I'm with you though, a little bit more technical information would be nice before spending the cash flow.
The MSDS for Dipetane:
Hydrotreated heavy paraffinic distillates-100%
And, Dipetane II mentions methy esters(biodiesel).
Doesn't seem like anything special compared to any other FI cleaners or upper cylinder lubes.
Hydrotreated heavy paraffinic distillates-100%
And, Dipetane II mentions methy esters(biodiesel).
Doesn't seem like anything special compared to any other FI cleaners or upper cylinder lubes.
Hey guys - you are right on several counts. There is nothing in Dipetane not all ready in your fuel. We have processed it so that it enables the fuel to burn more completely. We were dubious until we saw it work in a fleet of US Foods trucks. 6% improvement at startup and then 14 % after the combustion chambers were cleaned up. It sold me.
dipetanebob
dipetanebob
Are you folks saving money yet? I've cut my fuel bill by at least $100.00 per week!!
Dipetane's where it's at!!
Dipetane's where it's at!!
Nice add BUT since fuel has changed so much since this was invented (1987?) I doubt 6-10% increase infact I dought any increase at .5% treat rate.
sounds like an oxygenate which are now in top tear gas anyway if so I'd just add a few ounces of acetone to each tank.
bruce
sounds like an oxygenate which are now in top tear gas anyway if so I'd just add a few ounces of acetone to each tank.
bruce
Bruce -
There are No acetates in Dipetane. It is 100% hydrocarbon:
carbon: 85.89% + hydrogen: 14.10% = 100% hydrocarbon
Dipetane STILL meets ALL fuel standards. That includes the new 'ultra-low sulfur' diesel fuel. No FAA aproval, but we're talking gasoline, diesel fuel and biodiesel. Ground and sea vessels. Ans machnery, heavy equipment, etc.
Why not check out the site, and if you have any questions, post'em!! I'll reply as soon as I can.
I own a '96 Olds Ciera, 3.1l engine, 16.5 gallon tank.
Pre-Dipetane I averaged 260 miles per tank.
At 136,600+. I get from 350 to 400 every time.
The tranny shop has it for a pre-existing problem, but our rental car is a 2007 KIA Optima, 3.1l, 16.4 gal tank.
I'm lucky if I can get 230 miles per tank in it, with LESS than 5000 miles on it!!
Of course, I can expect a man to believe everything, as he's heard it all before. Here's a challenge:
Try it & see for yourself. I will refund your purchase of trial pack of 4 twelve oz bottles. Experience speaks for itself. Your assumptions are based on other people's trials & errors, and probably what you've heard.
Get some experience with it, then talk about it.
There are No acetates in Dipetane. It is 100% hydrocarbon:
carbon: 85.89% + hydrogen: 14.10% = 100% hydrocarbon
Dipetane STILL meets ALL fuel standards. That includes the new 'ultra-low sulfur' diesel fuel. No FAA aproval, but we're talking gasoline, diesel fuel and biodiesel. Ground and sea vessels. Ans machnery, heavy equipment, etc.
Why not check out the site, and if you have any questions, post'em!! I'll reply as soon as I can.
I own a '96 Olds Ciera, 3.1l engine, 16.5 gallon tank.
Pre-Dipetane I averaged 260 miles per tank.
At 136,600+. I get from 350 to 400 every time.
The tranny shop has it for a pre-existing problem, but our rental car is a 2007 KIA Optima, 3.1l, 16.4 gal tank.
I'm lucky if I can get 230 miles per tank in it, with LESS than 5000 miles on it!!
Of course, I can expect a man to believe everything, as he's heard it all before. Here's a challenge:
Try it & see for yourself. I will refund your purchase of trial pack of 4 twelve oz bottles. Experience speaks for itself. Your assumptions are based on other people's trials & errors, and probably what you've heard.
Get some experience with it, then talk about it.
There is always something that claims to save gas and do the things this claims. The shelves at Wal-Mart are full of them.
Only problem is, any money you save is spent buying these additives so the net result is you break even or loss money.
Thats my opinion from many years of reading this hype.
If you were only getting 16 mpg with a 3.1 Olds, you were either a hard driver or there was something wrong with it. My 4x4 trucks get better than that. I have a 93 Lumina with 3.1 and it get 22-25+ mpg with 72,000 miles and never using any additves.
Only problem is, any money you save is spent buying these additives so the net result is you break even or loss money.
Thats my opinion from many years of reading this hype.
If you were only getting 16 mpg with a 3.1 Olds, you were either a hard driver or there was something wrong with it. My 4x4 trucks get better than that. I have a 93 Lumina with 3.1 and it get 22-25+ mpg with 72,000 miles and never using any additves.
Good for you and your mileage!! 
Dipetane can improve it. Especially with the low ammount of miles you have on it now. The only way Dipetane won't work:
Ready for this?
IF YOU DON'T USE IT!!
As for the 'additives' on the shelves of Wallyworld and every other auto parts store in the country - Ever read the ingredients? They have chemicals and detergents. Dipetane does not. Dipetane is not an 'additive', it's a treatment. 'Additives' are chemicals. Consider it ths way - if a person consumes food that has additives in it, that person can get sick, lose strength in their immune system, etc. If that same person eats healthy (only consuming what should be eaten), that person has the potential for a longer life, and a stronger immune system. Dipetane is like that for you engine. It helps, not hurts. Nothing in in that shouldn't be.
At the same time, do you personally know anyone who has used Dipetane? I think not, or you would know the truth of it.
So many people speak so suddenl of what they know nothing about... Makes me giggle inside.
What have you got to lose? Or does your foot not fit in your mouth?
Dipetane can improve it. Especially with the low ammount of miles you have on it now. The only way Dipetane won't work:Ready for this?
IF YOU DON'T USE IT!!
As for the 'additives' on the shelves of Wallyworld and every other auto parts store in the country - Ever read the ingredients? They have chemicals and detergents. Dipetane does not. Dipetane is not an 'additive', it's a treatment. 'Additives' are chemicals. Consider it ths way - if a person consumes food that has additives in it, that person can get sick, lose strength in their immune system, etc. If that same person eats healthy (only consuming what should be eaten), that person has the potential for a longer life, and a stronger immune system. Dipetane is like that for you engine. It helps, not hurts. Nothing in in that shouldn't be.
At the same time, do you personally know anyone who has used Dipetane? I think not, or you would know the truth of it.
So many people speak so suddenl of what they know nothing about... Makes me giggle inside.
What have you got to lose? Or does your foot not fit in your mouth?
The Lumina is my winter beater, belonged to my mother.
In my 2005 CTS and my 2004 GMC my milage in on the high end of the EPA estimates. Are you going to tell me that I am going to see a significant jump in mileage in these vehicles that will offset the cost of the additive?
You are a salesman, I can see that but you make a derogatory statement at the end about foot in the mouth. So you shoot your own message with a dig. Thats a good way to win customers.
I just did some rough comps using my 2004 GMC 4x4 that avg. 17.4 mpg over 26,000 miles. Assuming a 10% gain as you claim, The 1.7 (10%)gain in mpg does not exceed the cost to use the product. I would have to realize about %20 increase (3.5 mpg) in mpg to make it worth the cost of the product. That would place my milage over the epa est of 19mpg with this vehicle. I just find it hard to beleive this would occur and how that would be a benefit to me.
The thing that would drive my cost up is the S&H to MI from CA. That could be as much as $15 for 4-pk, making my total cost $45.
Seems like this would only work for vehicles that were never maintained in good condition?
I got my flame protection suit on. LOL
In my 2005 CTS and my 2004 GMC my milage in on the high end of the EPA estimates. Are you going to tell me that I am going to see a significant jump in mileage in these vehicles that will offset the cost of the additive?
You are a salesman, I can see that but you make a derogatory statement at the end about foot in the mouth. So you shoot your own message with a dig. Thats a good way to win customers.
I just did some rough comps using my 2004 GMC 4x4 that avg. 17.4 mpg over 26,000 miles. Assuming a 10% gain as you claim, The 1.7 (10%)gain in mpg does not exceed the cost to use the product. I would have to realize about %20 increase (3.5 mpg) in mpg to make it worth the cost of the product. That would place my milage over the epa est of 19mpg with this vehicle. I just find it hard to beleive this would occur and how that would be a benefit to me.
The thing that would drive my cost up is the S&H to MI from CA. That could be as much as $15 for 4-pk, making my total cost $45.
Seems like this would only work for vehicles that were never maintained in good condition?
I got my flame protection suit on. LOL
Yes, I am a salesman. Yes, I did "dig at a skeptic", but apparently I did not convey the friendliness in my 'voice'. My apologies.
The point I was making with that "dig" is that I can, with Dipetane, back up every word I'm saying about the product. It does work, dispite what I may or may not, do or do not, say. "Don't take my word for it" comes to mind. Try it for yourself. That's the only way you'll know for 100% sure, right?
And again, Dipetane is not an additive, nor does it contain any, additives. It is 100% fuel, with different amounts of what is already in Fuel. You could almost think of it as fuel 'reformulated'. Some of the same ingredients are not, and different ammounts of what are, in fuel already. Again, there's nothing in Dipetane that isn't already in the fuel you're using.
Of course, my next question is this: Why such an aversion to saving money?
I mean, really - do the math. Go look at my price list on my website. Calculate what you would spend in gas for your car, and your mileage (which you seem to already have) Then increase it by 10% - minimum. Then look at the cost of the 12oz bottles (I doubt you have larger than a 20 gal tank, right?). Calculate how much money you'd save if your fuel economy was at least 10% better, then compare that to what you'd pay for a case (12) of 12oz bottles. At a tank a week, that's 3 months. Could $50 go further in your gas tank if it were gasoline only, with no mileage increase?
The point I was making with that "dig" is that I can, with Dipetane, back up every word I'm saying about the product. It does work, dispite what I may or may not, do or do not, say. "Don't take my word for it" comes to mind. Try it for yourself. That's the only way you'll know for 100% sure, right?
And again, Dipetane is not an additive, nor does it contain any, additives. It is 100% fuel, with different amounts of what is already in Fuel. You could almost think of it as fuel 'reformulated'. Some of the same ingredients are not, and different ammounts of what are, in fuel already. Again, there's nothing in Dipetane that isn't already in the fuel you're using.
Of course, my next question is this: Why such an aversion to saving money?
I mean, really - do the math. Go look at my price list on my website. Calculate what you would spend in gas for your car, and your mileage (which you seem to already have) Then increase it by 10% - minimum. Then look at the cost of the 12oz bottles (I doubt you have larger than a 20 gal tank, right?). Calculate how much money you'd save if your fuel economy was at least 10% better, then compare that to what you'd pay for a case (12) of 12oz bottles. At a tank a week, that's 3 months. Could $50 go further in your gas tank if it were gasoline only, with no mileage increase?
as I said good add, I have been in the lube blending bus for 32 years and what you claim has been said many times before by all kinds of guys with the latest greatest secret stuff, nonw will give >1% MPG increase.
Tell you what send me 2-3 bottles free and I'll test them other wise I'll stick to acetone which is also 100% a hydrocarbon not a "acetate".
bruce
Tell you what send me 2-3 bottles free and I'll test them other wise I'll stick to acetone which is also 100% a hydrocarbon not a "acetate".
bruce
Bruce -
Got address?
Go to my website to the 'contact us' page. Email it to me.
I will send you 4 12oz bottles. Each 12oz treats up to 20 gals of fuel.
Keep the board posted on your progress.
Got address?
Go to my website to the 'contact us' page. Email it to me.
I will send you 4 12oz bottles. Each 12oz treats up to 20 gals of fuel.
Keep the board posted on your progress.
My GMC has 26 gallon tank.
I still don't see any cost advantage for me. The S&H drive my cost way up and even if I were to get a 20% increase, I still would not gain a thing. What I saved on gas, I spent on the Dipetane. Anything less than 20%, I lose money.
Take a look at what it would cost to ship to 49934? I can't find that without making a purchase. I seen some very high S&H costs on web purchases and will never buy without those being disclosed up front. I cannot find those without making a purchase with paypal. How and when would I know what they are? Also I am assuming this product can only ship ground.
I still don't see any cost advantage for me. The S&H drive my cost way up and even if I were to get a 20% increase, I still would not gain a thing. What I saved on gas, I spent on the Dipetane. Anything less than 20%, I lose money.
Take a look at what it would cost to ship to 49934? I can't find that without making a purchase. I seen some very high S&H costs on web purchases and will never buy without those being disclosed up front. I cannot find those without making a purchase with paypal. How and when would I know what they are? Also I am assuming this product can only ship ground.
Hubbell MI 49934-9999
Is that correct?
Look on my website. Go to the prices page. Look at the left-side column. Those are your 'out the door' prices, s&h + tax included. All you need compare is your mileage and potential savings vs. 'otd' cost.
I'll get it to you, if you like.
Ideally, you may want to look into the quart size, as a half-bottle will treat your 25 gal tank, or use a 12oz bottle in it. In some cases, a 12oz worked just fine in a 25 gal tank.
Please understand - everyone - that this is not a 'magic, use it once cure-all'. This is a treatment you want to stick with per tank. As I said, for cost of product, the wife and I spend around $100.00 less per week for fuel than before. And I don't need $100.00 worth of product in my 16.5 gal tank.
If you want to try it, the trial 4-pack is $25 for California residents, and, due to FedEx not acting Postal, they charge more for distance, so the out of California cost is a wee bit more. If you aren't satisfied, by your third bottle, send me back the fourth, and I will refund your cost of product, minus s&h & tax. Your total refund will be $20.00.
Is that correct?
Look on my website. Go to the prices page. Look at the left-side column. Those are your 'out the door' prices, s&h + tax included. All you need compare is your mileage and potential savings vs. 'otd' cost.
I'll get it to you, if you like.
Ideally, you may want to look into the quart size, as a half-bottle will treat your 25 gal tank, or use a 12oz bottle in it. In some cases, a 12oz worked just fine in a 25 gal tank.
Please understand - everyone - that this is not a 'magic, use it once cure-all'. This is a treatment you want to stick with per tank. As I said, for cost of product, the wife and I spend around $100.00 less per week for fuel than before. And I don't need $100.00 worth of product in my 16.5 gal tank.
If you want to try it, the trial 4-pack is $25 for California residents, and, due to FedEx not acting Postal, they charge more for distance, so the out of California cost is a wee bit more. If you aren't satisfied, by your third bottle, send me back the fourth, and I will refund your cost of product, minus s&h & tax. Your total refund will be $20.00.
lets do the math for my diesel.
It is a 2004 Ford F350 dually with the 6.0L engine. I get about 15 mpg gal.
tank size: 38 gallons
average mpg: 15
average distance per tank: 570 miles
price of diesel at last fill up: $4.69
Dipetane numbers:
4 bottle sample pack: $23.99
shipping (from page): $9.99
total cost: $33.98
assume 10% gain
new mpg: 16.5mpg with dipetane
new total distance traveled: 38*16.5=627
traveled:57 miles more with dipetane
cost per tank saved: 57miles/15mpg (old mileage)= 3.8 gallons saved
3.8gallons*$4.69=$17.822 saved
Since the intro pack will treat 75-80 gallons it will treat two tanks of fuel.
Total money saved for the entire intro pack is 2 times the amount I saved on one tank or $35.644.
amount saved: 35.644
amount spent: 33.98
money in my pocket:$1.66
Now lets look at fuel prices and mileage.
my MPG is 15
assuming a 10% increase I gain 57 miles per tank or 114 miles for the intro kit
114 miles/15mpg= 7.6 gallons saved
my total expense is $33.98
assuming the 10% increase I will save 7.6 gallons with every intro pack
This means my cost/gallons saved will give us the price that fuel needs to remain above to give me some profit.
$33.98/7.6gallons=$4.47/gallon
as long as diesel stays above $4.47 I will make some sort of profit, although rather small. If it drops below that number I am losing money.
now lets assume 17% increase (I keep the math short on this one)
7.6 gallons @10%
7.6/1.1=6.909090909
6.90909090909090*1.17=8.0836 gallons
8.0836*4.69=$37.83 saved for the intro pack for me
37.83-33.98=$3.85 profit for the intro pack
cost per gallon to break even: $4.20
What I have read about dipetane is very interesting and it sounds great. I am just not sure it is for me.
It is a 2004 Ford F350 dually with the 6.0L engine. I get about 15 mpg gal.
tank size: 38 gallons
average mpg: 15
average distance per tank: 570 miles
price of diesel at last fill up: $4.69
Dipetane numbers:
4 bottle sample pack: $23.99
shipping (from page): $9.99
total cost: $33.98
assume 10% gain
new mpg: 16.5mpg with dipetane
new total distance traveled: 38*16.5=627
traveled:57 miles more with dipetane
cost per tank saved: 57miles/15mpg (old mileage)= 3.8 gallons saved
3.8gallons*$4.69=$17.822 saved
Since the intro pack will treat 75-80 gallons it will treat two tanks of fuel.
Total money saved for the entire intro pack is 2 times the amount I saved on one tank or $35.644.
amount saved: 35.644
amount spent: 33.98
money in my pocket:$1.66
Now lets look at fuel prices and mileage.
my MPG is 15
assuming a 10% increase I gain 57 miles per tank or 114 miles for the intro kit
114 miles/15mpg= 7.6 gallons saved
my total expense is $33.98
assuming the 10% increase I will save 7.6 gallons with every intro pack
This means my cost/gallons saved will give us the price that fuel needs to remain above to give me some profit.
$33.98/7.6gallons=$4.47/gallon
as long as diesel stays above $4.47 I will make some sort of profit, although rather small. If it drops below that number I am losing money.
now lets assume 17% increase (I keep the math short on this one)
7.6 gallons @10%
7.6/1.1=6.909090909
6.90909090909090*1.17=8.0836 gallons
8.0836*4.69=$37.83 saved for the intro pack for me
37.83-33.98=$3.85 profit for the intro pack
cost per gallon to break even: $4.20
What I have read about dipetane is very interesting and it sounds great. I am just not sure it is for me.
Man, did Big Daddy fall off the face of the earth or just give up the reason to sell Dipetane?
I need a working gas additive to make final try at getting below Washington state smog test. My 4x4 Toyota is putting out 278 hydrocarbons and legal limit is 220. Shop I took it to added new catalytic converter which costing me a huge amount of money for 2nd failure of test listed above. Seems a little backwards to add more hydrocarbons to get a lower hydrocarbon result. Yes? No? Any ideas on what is my last approach to getting a legal result anybody?
I need a working gas additive to make final try at getting below Washington state smog test. My 4x4 Toyota is putting out 278 hydrocarbons and legal limit is 220. Shop I took it to added new catalytic converter which costing me a huge amount of money for 2nd failure of test listed above. Seems a little backwards to add more hydrocarbons to get a lower hydrocarbon result. Yes? No? Any ideas on what is my last approach to getting a legal result anybody?
You might try this product - http://www.machtane.com/
278 hydrocarbons is a lot of hydrocarbons. Do you know specifically what is causing that? Have you taken a compression reading?
If the high hydrocarbon count is a result of incomplete comression due to sticking piston rings let me suggest you consider adding Marvel Mystery Oil, Rislone, Auto-Rx, or Cermax to your oil. Cermax would probably give you the quickest results but all should provide some benefit in 500 miles or less.
278 hydrocarbons is a lot of hydrocarbons. Do you know specifically what is causing that? Have you taken a compression reading?
If the high hydrocarbon count is a result of incomplete comression due to sticking piston rings let me suggest you consider adding Marvel Mystery Oil, Rislone, Auto-Rx, or Cermax to your oil. Cermax would probably give you the quickest results but all should provide some benefit in 500 miles or less.
Another product to consider - http://www.e3fuels.com/
A good mechanic should be able to find the cause of your pollution and assist you in fixing it.
Run the tank empty, fill it with 2-3 gallons of E85, go to the inspection site, pass your test, then fill it with gasoline!
Find the cause of your pollution and fix it!
Run the tank empty, fill it with 2-3 gallons of E85, go to the inspection site, pass your test, then fill it with gasoline!
Find the cause of your pollution and fix it!
A really good mileage booster that i have tried lately in my quest to get higher mileage is called Green Fuel Tabs. You can buy it online at GreenFuelTabs.com.
The nice part is that this is a tab, not a liquid, so it is easy to store in the glovebox, and small in size. No liquids to spill or clean up...my wife hates all the liquids I have tried and spilled. She is actually using the tabs now that I have shown her we are saving money with it.
Basically I got 10% improvement almost immediately, and the longer i use it the better my mileage gets...I'm up to 18% improvement now after a year of use...and I have a pretty heavy foot when I drive too. They also say they cut emmissions up to 50%, and I did see a significant drop on my last smog test, though I am not sure how to measure that. I use it for the performance and mileage savings. Check it out.
The nice part is that this is a tab, not a liquid, so it is easy to store in the glovebox, and small in size. No liquids to spill or clean up...my wife hates all the liquids I have tried and spilled. She is actually using the tabs now that I have shown her we are saving money with it.
Basically I got 10% improvement almost immediately, and the longer i use it the better my mileage gets...I'm up to 18% improvement now after a year of use...and I have a pretty heavy foot when I drive too. They also say they cut emmissions up to 50%, and I did see a significant drop on my last smog test, though I am not sure how to measure that. I use it for the performance and mileage savings. Check it out.
1st & most importantly - Acetone in your fuel system is a very, very bad idea. I like my fuel to stay inside the tank & lines. Acetone will degrade the seals and elastomeric lines in your fuel system. It will take longer at a low treat-rate, but it will take its toll. Acetone can also remove the easy components of a deposit and render the remainder intractable. If you feel compelled to add oxygenates beyond what is already there (if you live in a non-attainment area), go with an alcohol.
Next - there is a whole lot of smoke here:
'Not an additive, a treatment' - That is a semantic distinction that evades me at present. An 'additive' is something you add to something else; 'treatment' is the act of introducing an additive. That's why the amount of additive in a given formulation is referred to as the 'treat rate'.
'No chemicals' - Interesting, is this product not made of matter? Everything bigger than a neutron is a chemical.
As for the comparisons of before-and-after mileage - Would you like to buy a bridge? A human who just spent good coin for something that is supposed to improve fuel economy is going to want it to work. As such, that human is very likely to unconsciously modify their driving habits. The gains described here can easily be achieved by employing a few of the the less intrusive techniques from those known collectively as hypermiling.
Show me data from six cars, three with and three without, all run on the same dyno. Maybe we should go for 12 so we check both highway & city simulations. Then you'll have enough data to determine if there is any effect beyond normal experimental variation. (Fifteen of each would be required for a true statistical determination of the magnitude of an effect, but three will tell us if anything real is going on.)
Now all you have anecdotal data, also known as 'bedtime stories'.
Next - there is a whole lot of smoke here:
'Not an additive, a treatment' - That is a semantic distinction that evades me at present. An 'additive' is something you add to something else; 'treatment' is the act of introducing an additive. That's why the amount of additive in a given formulation is referred to as the 'treat rate'.
'No chemicals' - Interesting, is this product not made of matter? Everything bigger than a neutron is a chemical.
As for the comparisons of before-and-after mileage - Would you like to buy a bridge? A human who just spent good coin for something that is supposed to improve fuel economy is going to want it to work. As such, that human is very likely to unconsciously modify their driving habits. The gains described here can easily be achieved by employing a few of the the less intrusive techniques from those known collectively as hypermiling.
Show me data from six cars, three with and three without, all run on the same dyno. Maybe we should go for 12 so we check both highway & city simulations. Then you'll have enough data to determine if there is any effect beyond normal experimental variation. (Fifteen of each would be required for a true statistical determination of the magnitude of an effect, but three will tell us if anything real is going on.)
Now all you have anecdotal data, also known as 'bedtime stories'.
