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Originally posted by Big Bear:
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Originally posted by Tim Vipond:
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Originally posted by Trajan:

Amsoil hasn't been proven to be a better oil over PP or PU or GC or M1..
I disagree. AMSOIL recommends extended oil change intervals, has a longer warranty, and outperforms the others in undisputed, independent ASTM testing.


Nobody here is buying this bogus SALES PITCH of independent ASTM testing, there WARRANTY is a joke, I have read it, and all it does is protect Amsoil.

I could have an Oil Company and pay for this ASTM Test and have it that my oil looks better than the competition, you think Amsoil is going to pay for a test that makes there competitions oil look better, give me a break.
The warranty provides parts and labor coverage for extended oil change intervals should the oil fail when used as directed. How does that protect AMSOIL? Looks like it protects the consumer. Compare that warranty to a 4,000 mile/4 month warranty that pays for 15 parts if the oil fails.

OK, pay SouthWest Research Institute to run an ASTM test and have it prove that your oil looks better than the competition. Let's see what happens. AMSOIL's competitors have not disputed the test results. They would if they could, but they can't.
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Originally posted by Tim Vipond:
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Originally posted by Trajan:
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Originally posted by ADFD1:


Reading that GM OM tells the story, and yet Tim keeps quoting Amsoil, and some law, seems GM found a way around that law in their wording.

AD


The law says what it says. Can't dictate what brand to buy. Can dictate what you have to do to have the protection.

What Tim and Kirk forget is that the car makers have law firms on retainer too. And their own legal departments.

That's why you have labels on your visors, or on the gas filler door. Or why things are written the way they are in the manual.

But that doesn't occur to those two. I guess they just think that the auto makers put all that stuff there just for kicks.


But none of the car makers have ever said that using AMSOIL will void your warranty. And none have ever voided a warranty with AMSOIL.


Using oil that does not meet the specs will if any oil related problem comes up.
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Originally posted by ADFD1:

LOL Amsoil pays for the tests? Nuff said. I remember someone quoting somewhere about these independant tests you so highly regard. He said run a test enough times you;ll get the results you want to see. I think he might have been an Amsoil dealer on Bitog, and honest one at that. Pay for the testing and you'll get the results you want to see.
Try that with SouthWest Research Institute and see how far you get. Plus the competition does not dispute the test results. They would if they could, but they can't.

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Originally posted by ADFD1:I'm still waiting for proof Amsoil is better, lets see it.
AMSOIL has proven it for 38 years with independent testing and the longest warranty in the business. AMSOIL was granted the Trademark "The First in Synthetics" when no other oil company could prove their oil was equal to or better than AMSOIL. Here is a brochure with undisputed, independent ASTM test results: http://www.amsoil.com/lit/g1971.pdf .
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Originally posted by ADFD1: Pennzoil clearly states if you follow the OM and use their oil they guarantee their product.
That is only for their top of the line Pennzoil Ultra. Do that with their other products and you will not be warranted by Pennzoil according to their website. AMSOIL does much better than that for all of their products.
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Originally posted by ADFD1: Mobil runs some pretty impressive real testing, not rubbing 4 balls together, in a test experts call worthless for testing testing oil.
What experts call that worthless? All the oil companies use that testing for screening and gear oils as well as the military, universities and independent oil testing laboratories. And the 4 ball wear test is only 1 of dozens of tests that AMSOIL publishes.
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Originally posted by Big Bear:
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
Big bear quoted

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the motor seemed to run better


Define what you mean by "seemed".......


Smoother, more responsive.

Kirk, I should not have used the word seemed, it was actually a fact that the engine was smoother and more responsive.

That's my observation and I am sticking with it.

I am sure if I was using Synlube and I said my motor seemed to run better that you would not be questioning me.



I would have questioned you.

Here is my take on what better oil does,especially in an older engine that has some issues.

My examples(actual) are as follows with specific details:

Older engines with higher miles bought used will sometimes have low end noise(worn shell bearings),that are a little sloppy and make slight kocking,clanking noises,etc.

Morning valve tap noises,especially miles on the oil. Piston slap,etc,etc.

So,various "engine metallic sounds" to sum it up.

However,in the past when I switched to amsoil,and synlube,noises were less,or non-existent. No minor Rod knocking,or morning valve tap noises even with 10,000 miles on oil(amsoil).



A Smoother and more responsive engine was never noted using a "butt dyno" with synthetic oil.

Only new plugs,wires,injectors,chemical cleaning,new cat,muffler,etc,did the "butt dyno" ever noticed a difference,better economy as well.

The only way I have seen a slightly smoother-idling engine was going from 20w-50 synthetic to 5w-30/50 synthetic oil in a six cylinder engine,because I have done that very thing. Only at idle could I feel less vibration through the steering wheel.

I have never seen any store bought oil,ever quiet down my previous high milage beater used cars that all had some excess engine metallic sounds that both Amsoil,and synlube were able to actually silence.

I used to use a product Called 'auto moly' to quiet down my engines years ago on store bought oil at a treatment rate of 5%.......that worked well. It did, however, wind up in the oil filter upon inspection. That is why the soluble moly is better. My filters at present are spotless.

I no longer need to use the moly treatment additive products. I still have one bottle left.

[B]In sum........far less engine noises,as in,a quieter engine acoustically speaking for all to hear,not just me,is what I speak of regarding Amsoil. That was my observation for sure.
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Originally posted by Trajan:

Using oil that does not meet the specs will if any oil related problem comes up.
What oil didn't meet the specs when an oil related problem came up? And if any oil fails, regardless of whether they say they meet the specs or not, will be responsible, not the car maker. Many oils that say they met the specs, did not, when API and others tested them off the shelf.

You have yet to show that AMSOIL has caused an oil related problem or voided any warranty. And if it ever does, AMSOIL pays.
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Here is my take on what better oil does,especially in an older engine that has some issues.


Kirk, this is an engine that only has 43,000 miles on it.

I purchased the car with 10,000 miles on it, the original owner changed the oil at 3000 miles with Amsoil XL 5W-20, and he changed the oil again with Amsoil XL 5W-20 at 8000 miles, when I got the car with 10,000 miles I changed the oil again with Amsoil XL 5W-20 since he gave me 6 quarts of the stuff, I changed the oil becuase he told me the car had been sitting for a few months. I changed the oil again at 15,000 miles with Amsoil XL 5W-20, at 20,000 miles I put in Amsoil 0W-20 and ran it to 25,000 miles and then did another 5000 mile OCI with Amsoil 0W-20

At 30,000 miles I put in Motorcraft 5W-20 and ran it until 35,000 miles. I then went to Pennzoil Platinum 5W-20 and changed it at 40,000 miles

I am currently running Pennzoil Platinum 5W-20
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You have yet to show that AMSOIL has caused an oil related problem or voided any warranty. And if it ever does, AMSOIL pays.


Amsoil will not pay anything, read there Warranty, there are too many loopholes for them to get out of paying.

Do you have Documentation showing how much Amsoil has paid out in 38 years, and do not tell me it is proprietary.
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Originally posted by Big Bear:
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Here is my take on what better oil does,especially in an older engine that has some issues.


Kirk, this is an engine that only has 43,000 miles on it.

I purchased the car with 10,000 miles on it, the original owner changed the oil at 3000 miles with Amsoil XL 5W-20, and he changed the oil again with Amsoil XL 5W-20 at 8000 miles, when I got the car with 10,000 miles I changed the oil again with Amsoil XL 5W-20 since he gave me 6 quarts of the stuff, I changed the oil becuase he told me the car had been sitting for a few months. I changed the oil again at 15,000 miles with Amsoil XL 5W-20, at 20,000 miles I put in Amsoil 0W-20 and ran it to 25,000 miles and then did another 5000 mile OCI with Amsoil 0W-20

At 30,000 miles I put in Motorcraft 5W-20 and ran it until 35,000 miles. I then went to Pennzoil Platinum 5W-20 and changed it at 40,000 miles

I am currently running Pennzoil Platinum 5W-20


Great,however,I never have used the XL Amsoil line. That is their entry level oil on par with other group III products. I always used the top products,like series 2000 etc. That is what I think really defines Amsoil.
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Originally posted by Big Bear:
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You have yet to show that AMSOIL has caused an oil related problem or voided any warranty. And if it ever does, AMSOIL pays.


Amsoil will not pay anything, read there Warranty, there are too many loopholes for them to get out of paying.
AMSOIL has paid 2 warranty claims that I am aware of and was discussed in Lubes 'n Greases article. And in both cases, AMSOIL proved it was not the oils fault and was reimbursed by the manufacturer. I have never seen any complaint by any consumer or government agency that AMSOIL has not honored their warranty. Please post if you can find any to support your claim.

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Originally posted by Big BearBig Grino you have Documentation showing how much Amsoil has paid out in 38 years, and do not tell me it is proprietary.
No I don't. Feel free to contact AMSOIL technical and ask them.
LOL...

A FYI I borrowed from Bitog. Seems someone had a comment about Pennzoil Ultra being recalled, not sure who it was, I don't have the energy to read thru all these posts again. Recall, not so.

Ultra being recalled?? - Reply‏
From: pqsandcarcaretechnical-us@shell.com
Sent: Wed 6/02/10 10:39 AM
To: tarrat@hotmail.com

Dear Mr. Todd Roberts; Thank you for your interest in our product.There has been no recall on the any of the Pennzoil Ultra Motor Oils.WalMart has requirements on volumes of our products that need be soldfor them to maintain an inventory. It is possible that these volumesare not being met in your area.SincerelyProduct Technical Service, ah
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
LOL...

A FYI I borrowed from Bitog. Seems someone had a comment about Pennzoil Ultra being recalled, not sure who it was, I don't have the energy to read thru all these posts again. Recall, not so.

Ultra being recalled?? - Reply‏
From: pqsandcarcaretechnical-us@shell.com
Sent: Wed 6/02/10 10:39 AM
To: tarrat@hotmail.com

Dear Mr. Todd Roberts; Thank you for your interest in our product.There has been no recall on the any of the Pennzoil Ultra Motor Oils.WalMart has requirements on volumes of our products that need be soldfor them to maintain an inventory. It is possible that these volumesare not being met in your area.SincerelyProduct Technical Service, ah


Must meet them in my area, as they have it. Tim has the kirk thread reading problem. doesn't go much past the first post or two.
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Originally posted by Trajan:
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
LOL...

A FYI I borrowed from Bitog. Seems someone had a comment about Pennzoil Ultra being recalled, not sure who it was, I don't have the energy to read thru all these posts again. Recall, not so.

Ultra being recalled?? - Reply‏
From: pqsandcarcaretechnical-us@shell.com
Sent: Wed 6/02/10 10:39 AM
To: tarrat@hotmail.com

Dear Mr. Todd Roberts; Thank you for your interest in our product.There has been no recall on the any of the Pennzoil Ultra Motor Oils.WalMart has requirements on volumes of our products that need be soldfor them to maintain an inventory. It is possible that these volumesare not being met in your area.SincerelyProduct Technical Service, ah


Must meet them in my area, as they have it. Tim has the kirk thread reading problem. doesn't go much past the first post or two.


Trajan,
Any suggestions for an 06 BMW 330Ci? I just bought one for my wife. My Sister owned it since new, 60K, Convertible. She sold it to me, as she just received a company car (2010 G37) so she does not need the beemer anymore. I was thinking GC 0w-30. It has been serviced at the recommended intervals.

Thanks,
Dave
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Originally posted by ADFD1:

Series 2000 is a grease, you add that to your engine?

AD


That remark about grease is all the proof I need you have no Idea what you are talking about,and know ZIP about amsoil. My advice to you is stop posting your opinions over amsoil and first research the product,then voice your opinion on this thread when you actually know what you are talking about.....Put up or shut up!

How can you bash any product you have no knowledge of?

The series 2000 was the top of the line motor oil product years ago when I was using their motor oil products...obviously you didn't know that based on your foolish remark. They still have a series 3000 diesel oil product.

Here is what I used to use........

http://www.synthetic-motor-oil...product-code-tro.php
Series 2000 Synthetic Racing Grease Product Code: GRGCR-EA


Ultimate protection for hard-driven, high-performance vehicles. Dramatically reduces friction and wear for improved performance. Excels at both high- and low-temperature performance. Outperforms other conventional and synthetic greases.



You said Series 2000, I didn't. Try changing your tone OK. Your hostile approach won't win you any points. Foolish remark? I've used it to pack wheel bearings too. Smile

AD
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Originally posted by Deltona_Dave:
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Originally posted by Trajan:
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
LOL...

A FYI I borrowed from Bitog. Seems someone had a comment about Pennzoil Ultra being recalled, not sure who it was, I don't have the energy to read thru all these posts again. Recall, not so.

Ultra being recalled?? - Reply‏
From: pqsandcarcaretechnical-us@shell.com
Sent: Wed 6/02/10 10:39 AM
To: tarrat@hotmail.com

Dear Mr. Todd Roberts; Thank you for your interest in our product.There has been no recall on the any of the Pennzoil Ultra Motor Oils.WalMart has requirements on volumes of our products that need be soldfor them to maintain an inventory. It is possible that these volumesare not being met in your area.SincerelyProduct Technical Service, ah


Must meet them in my area, as they have it. Tim has the kirk thread reading problem. doesn't go much past the first post or two.


Trajan,
Any suggestions for an 06 BMW 330Ci? I just bought one for my wife. My Sister owned it since new, 60K, Convertible. She sold it to me, as she just received a company car (2010 G37) so she does not need the beemer anymore. I was thinking GC 0w-30. It has been serviced at the recommended intervals.

Thanks,
Dave


Dave,

GC is BMW approved. Your manual, unlike mine, states that approved oils are in the 5w-30/40 range. But as long as it says ACEA A3/B3 LL-01 you're golden.

BMWNA's approval list needs updating. Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w-40 I've been told is also approved. It lists these four:

•Castrol Syntec European Formula SAE 0W-30 (AKA GC)

•Mobil 1 SAE 0W-40

•Pennzoil Platinum European Formula Ultra SAE 5W-30

•Valvoline SynPower SAE 5W-30 (Should be the MST one.)

I use the first two.

Hope this helps. (You have a nice BMW.)

In short. You can use the GC. (The BMW 5w30 oil is rebadged Castrol TXT.)
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
Series 2000 Synthetic Racing Grease Product Code: GRGCR-EA


Ultimate protection for hard-driven, high-performance vehicles. Dramatically reduces friction and wear for improved performance. Excels at both high- and low-temperature performance. Outperforms other conventional and synthetic greases.



You said Series 2000, I didn't. Try changing your tone OK. Your hostile approach won't win you any points. Foolish remark? I've used it to pack wheel bearings too. Smile

AD



You accused me of putting grease in my engine AD. I never said grease,I said series 2000 while discussing motor oil,which is/was a 'title' on various products,not just grease,indicating it is the best product,or top of the line. You exemplified you know very little about Amsoil with that foolish remark,yet you continue to bash it. You not only have never used it,but also don't know anything about their history or product line up.

How can you give an opinion on a product/company without first knowing at least some of the facts?
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
Series 2000 Synthetic Racing Grease Product Code: GRGCR-EA


Ultimate protection for hard-driven, high-performance vehicles. Dramatically reduces friction and wear for improved performance. Excels at both high- and low-temperature performance. Outperforms other conventional and synthetic greases.



You said Series 2000, I didn't. Try changing your tone OK. Your hostile approach won't win you any points. Foolish remark? I've used it to pack wheel bearings too. Smile

AD


You know what? I have to supress a mouth full of bile for actually finding this: http://www.synthetic-motor-oil...product-code-tro.php

I'll give him half a point as he wasn't very clear.
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You know what? I have to supress a mouth full of bile for actually finding this: http://www.synthetic-motor-oil...product-code-tro.php

He actually got one right. Would be nice if he put in more than series 2000 though....


When Kirk said the Series 2000 I did not think he was talking about the grease, I remember the Series 2000 oil.

So Kirk, why did you stop using the oil, and what are you using now, I am guessing Synlube.
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
Series 2000 Synthetic Racing Grease Product Code: GRGCR-EA


Ultimate protection for hard-driven, high-performance vehicles. Dramatically reduces friction and wear for improved performance. Excels at both high- and low-temperature performance. Outperforms other conventional and synthetic greases.



You said Series 2000, I didn't. Try changing your tone OK. Your hostile approach won't win you any points. Foolish remark? I've used it to pack wheel bearings too. Smile

AD



You accused me of putting grease in my engine AD. I never said grease,I said series 2000 while discussing motor oil,which is/was a 'title' on various products,not just grease,indicating it is the best product,or top of the line. You exemplified you know very little about Amsoil with that foolish remark,yet you continue to bash it. You not only have never used it,but also don't know anything about their history or product line up.

How can you give an opinion on a product/company without first knowing at least some of the facts?


Got facts about what I've used Kirk? A hint Amsoil sells it, its a grease and has 2000 in its name. Here's another ASM 0W20.

You still can't find facts that Amsoil is actually better than M1 PU or Edge. You have no clue who I am, let alone know what I use. So tone it down dude!

BTW that was a joke, I give you some credit for smarts. Although adding Synlube to an engine would be about as good as adding grease to it.

AD
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. Although adding Synlube to an engine would be about as good as adding grease to it.

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. You have no clue who I am, let alone know what I use. So tone it down dude!


My engines are all running fine. Use ZERO OIL,no emission issues,no fuel economy issues,no sludge,no varnish,super clean inside oil fill cap,etc,etc. What else could I ask for......

OH,free oil.....which I now get as well,minus the 14 bucks to ship back the used oil. The new oil is shipped totally free. LIFE IS GOOD!!!

AD quoted:

"You still can't find facts that Amsoil is actually better than M1 PU or Edge"


AD....kindly show us......

........ where Amsoil is not better than those products you stated. All the facts show it is........you are simply dismissing the facts to suit your argument.
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:


........ where Amsoil is not better than those products you stated. All the facts show it is........you are simply dismissing the facts to suit your argument.


Facts, what facts, I haven't seen anything other than a salesman's pitch, Amsoil's literature, and a 4 ball test proving nothing. You seem to be dismissing facts to suit your arguement.

AD
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:


........ where Amsoil is not better than those products you stated. All the facts show it is........you are simply dismissing the facts to suit your argument.


Facts, what facts, I haven't seen anything other than a salesman's pitch, Amsoil's literature, and a 4 ball test proving nothing. You seem to be dismissing facts to suit your arguement.

AD


Define salesman's pitch.....Be careful........everyone company has,as you state...........A SALES PITCH!! Does that mean every product is a scam now.

What kind of information would you like to see that would satisfy your curiosity/skepticism you have not seen already?

How much more proof do you need,how many more tests,how much more data,etc,etc.???

What product/company actually gives more independent,and unbiased data than Amsoil to date.

Most important.........how would this 'other' information now be disseminated and not be called a sales pitch by...YOU...and others who can't seem to handle any facts,or data.

I suspect if wally world had their shelves stocked full of Amsoil........that would be what it would take to sell you???? I guess you won't buy AMWAY products for the same reason. They do however both start with the letters....AM........

However,If you really like Moly,and graphite as a bonus................You know what I use...... it's practically free at this point for me. Drives you guys nuts too!! But, For me.........LIFE IS GOOD.....IT WORKS WELL.....THAT'S ENOUGH FOR ME! FIND SOMETHING GOOD,AND BE DONE WITH IT!



API CERTIFIED..................ONLY IF YOU LIKE POLITICS.......AND KOOL-AID!!!!!! Myself.........I go for performance only, and what I know actually works. WHO NEEDS API/CERTS.. POLITICS/MONEY GAMES.

Keep drinking the API CERTIFIED.............KOOL-AID. WHAT'S TODAY'S FLAVOR????


TRAJAN QUOTED
Yeah, just like simlube "facts". Lots of cheerleading. Little substance.

The substance,as you call it........is in all my engines........not a lick of any issues. No cheer-leading needed. Just the facts!!!
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:


........ where Amsoil is not better than those products you stated. All the facts show it is........you are simply dismissing the facts to suit your argument.


Facts, what facts, I haven't seen anything other than a salesman's pitch, Amsoil's literature, and a 4 ball test proving nothing. You seem to be dismissing facts to suit your arguement.

AD
Yeah, just like simlube "facts". Lots of cheerleading. Little substance.

Well, at least, some of the oils are API certed.
But not MFG certed.

But, in their favor, they do have a much better reputation than simlube. Actual UOAs that don't look too bad with a reasonable oci.

Plus a HQ, distributers, dealers, and such that are on a map.
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:


........ where Amsoil is not better than those products you stated. All the facts show it is........you are simply dismissing the facts to suit your argument.


Facts, what facts, I haven't seen anything other than a salesman's pitch, Amsoil's literature, and a 4 ball test proving nothing. You seem to be dismissing facts to suit your arguement.

AD


Define salesman's pitch.....Be careful........everyone company has,as you state...........A SALES PITCH!! Does that mean every product is a scam now.

What kind of information would you like to see that would satisfy your curiosity/skepticism you have not seen already?

How much more proof do you need,how many more tests,how much more data,etc,etc.???

What product/company actually gives more independent,and unbiased data than Amsoil to date.

Most important.........how would this 'other' information now be disseminated and not be called a sales pitch by...YOU...and others who can't seem to handle any facts,or data.

I suspect if wally world had their shelves stocked full of Amsoil........that would be what it would take to sell you???? I guess you won't buy AMWAY products for the same reason. They do however both start with the letters....AM........

However,If you really like Moly,and graphite as a bonus................You know what I use...... it's practically free at this point for me. Drives you guys nuts too!! But, For me.........LIFE IS GOOD.....IT WORKS WELL.....THAT'S ENOUGH FOR ME! FIND SOMETHING GOOD,AND BE DONE WITH IT!



API CERTIFIED..................ONLY IF YOU LIKE POLITICS.......AND KOOL-AID!!!!!! Myself.........I go for performance only, and what I know actually works. WHO NEEDS API/CERTS.. POLITICS/MONEY GAMES.

Keep drinking the API CERTIFIED.............KOOL-AID. WHAT'S TODAY'S FLAVOR????


TRAJAN QUOTED
Yeah, just like simlube "facts". Lots of cheerleading. Little substance.

The substance,as you call it........is in all my engines........not a lick of any issues. No cheer-leading needed. Just the facts!!!
The Salesman's pitch is from our resident Amsoil dealer, and now you again. A most annoying pitch, in fact hurting sales for Amsoil IMO, and the opinion of others too. The pitch is constant and in every thread mentioning oil, what oil should I use, or an Amsoil question (which BTW is OK). Note the title of this thread. {I'm sticking with RL}, sort of funny?

All salesmen sell, most know when to kick it back, or stand down. The best products sell themselves, with very little hard sell tactics, and constant interference. Notice no one from Mobil, Shell, RL or any other oil company chimed in, except for you, and Tim.

As I see it you're back to pitching your lube again. So far all I've read here is lots of opinions.

My dad had more Ford products cross 250,000 miles than I can shake a stick at, many running PYB for 5000 miles, sometimes more. No oil burners, no tickers, no knockers, and clean under the VC. All ran well and passed the NYS sniffer test. Many sold and used years after.
Typically the NY road salt got the best of them.

Based on that if we use your sales pitch PYB is the bestest, very bestest oil in the world. Same facts you are using.

AD
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
The pitch is constant and in every thread mentioning oil, what oil should I use, or an Amsoil question (which BTW is OK). Note the title of this thread. {I'm sticking with RL}, sort of funny?


AD


Let's check the facts. Who was the first person to bring up AMSOIL in this thread? You did. You had two posts on AMSOIL and Big Bear had 2 posts on AMSOIL before I even posted!

ADFD1
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Posted Tue May 18 2010 10:59 AM Hide Post
"Having now tried both RL and Amsoil I would use RL. IMO the engine sounded better with the RL. I think they use better additives, and lots of moly. Hope I don't get flamed, I call it like I see it."

AD



ADFD1
Level 4 - 251 to 500 posts
Posted Tue May 18 2010 11:35 AM Hide Post
"Yea I might give their gear oil a shot too. My father was getting me the Amsoil, but the PC fee is a turn off, he used it for a year and decided not to pay for the PC fee anymore."

"From all I've been reading I think RL is a better product for the money. But then again that is my opinion, and what is one mans opinion worth? Well my father and uncle feel the same way too, so there's 3 opinions."

So, since you repeatedly were giving your opinions on AMSOIL, I later provided facts to counter your opinions. So you seem to be the one who initially turned this into an AMSOIL thread.
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Originally posted by Nucleardawg:
I just wanted to talk about Redline...Now it's Amsoil and we got a "synluber' as well. I'm sorry I started this thread...as like every thread here it gets off topic.


You shouldn't be sorry. You didn't do it. Hey, even a thread asking for an E/M equivilent of a brand of compressor oil gets turned into one.
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Originally posted by Tim Vipond:
Redline Gear Oil failed 2 basic gear oil tests, foaming and viscosity, according to this white paper http://www.amsoil.com/lit/g2457.pdf .

Does Red Line offer a warranty? I searched "warranty" on their website and found nothing.

This is also not confidence inspiring.
"Q: Will using Red Line products void my vehicle's factory warranty?
Using the appropriate Red Line product shouldn't invalidate your vehicle's warranty and question the mechanic or service manager that says so."


Superior is a city in and the county seat of Douglas County, Wisconsin, United States.[

http://www.machinerylubricatio...ad/163/oil-analyzers


Tim, I am having a problem with the LINK you sent me on the Gear Oil Test, I noticed the Notary Public that verifies the finding was in Douglas, County Wisconsin. Amsoil is headquartered in Superior, Wisconsin. That's in Douglas County.

So, I looked up any places in Douglas County that do UOA work, and I came up with Oil Analyzer's and I found out that it is owned by Amsoil. I decided to mapquest Oil Analyzers Inc. on 2206 Winter Street in Superior Wisconsin 54880 and then get directions to Amsoil Corporate Headquarters, 925 Tower Avenue, Superior, Wisconsin 54880.

It's only 0.3 miles away, Tim, that Gear Oil test was done by Oil Analyzers Inc. which Amsoil owns, and since that is the case then I have a problem with the findings, I see a conflict of interest here and I cannot believe any of Amsoil's tests.
I knew there was something wrong when there was no address for the Lab that did the work, and anytime you see Amsoil print up some findings on any tests and on the bottom it says its an independent lab then you know this is wrong.

No wonder Amsoil Products look so good on there website and they show us tests, they own Oil Analyzers that does the tests and they can play with the numbers all day long and print anything up that they want to.

I think AD and myself will stick with our observations based on using both Redline and Amsoil since with what I have found there tests mean nothing.
In 1997, Oil Analyzers Inc. was founded to provide improved analysis services for the customers AMSOIL serves.


Oil Analyzers performs oil analysis on automotive, diesel and industrial equipment. The lab performs other analytical services beyond used oil analysis, including 4-ball Wear, NOACK Volatility, Falex Pin and Vee Block, IR Scan, Foam Testing, Demulsibility Testing, Cold Crank and others. The lab is expanding to provide Timken EP, High Temperature Shear, Rotating Pressure Vessel Oxidation Test (RPVOT) along with grease tests such as Roll Stability, Low Temp Torque, Water Washout, Wheel Bearing Leak, Penetration and Dropping Point.
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
The pitch is constant and in every thread mentioning oil, what oil should I use, or an Amsoil question (which BTW is OK). Note the title of this thread. {I'm sticking with RL}, sort of funny?


AD


Let's check the facts. Who was the first person to bring up AMSOIL in this thread? You did. You had two posts on AMSOIL and Big Bear had 2 posts on AMSOIL before I even posted!

ADFD1
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Posted Tue May 18 2010 10:59 AM Hide Post
"Having now tried both RL and Amsoil I would use RL. IMO the engine sounded better with the RL. I think they use better additives, and lots of moly. Hope I don't get flamed, I call it like I see it."

AD



ADFD1
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Posted Tue May 18 2010 11:35 AM Hide Post
"Yea I might give their gear oil a shot too. My father was getting me the Amsoil, but the PC fee is a turn off, he used it for a year and decided not to pay for the PC fee anymore."

"From all I've been reading I think RL is a better product for the money. But then again that is my opinion, and what is one mans opinion worth? Well my father and uncle feel the same way too, so there's 3 opinions."

So, since you repeatedly were giving your opinions on AMSOIL, I later provided facts to counter your opinions. So you seem to be the one who initially turned this into an AMSOIL thread.


Yes Tim I did, I offered my opinion and the opinion of my father, and mechanics, and machinists we know, we tried both products. I also added I hoped I didn't get flamed. Shortly after the national guard, you jumped in, defending, pitching, selling, quoting, copying and pasting. Yes I started it, but wasn't singling you out, you decided to dive in. How about that compressor oil thread Tim?

Dawg- Don't be sorry you started the thread RL is a great oil, even after 22 pages of hype, pitches, etc, I'd still grab it over Amsoil! Your facts are nothing more than BS from Amsoils paid for testing, and from their own company none the less. Good one.

AD
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