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: Amsoil - no longer commenting on Base Oils [Re: 427Z06]
badtlc Offline


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Loc: KC

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She said "we don't comment on what base oils we use as that is proprietary information". This coupled with the rumor Amsoil is testing Group III's doesn't surprise me. It wouldn't surprise me if Amsoil is going the same route as Mobil 1.



Then I'll stop considering use of their products too. If a manufacturer won't give me at least some idea of what I'm receiving for my cash, I simply refuse to buy their product. While final product performance is the ultimate acknowledgment of efficacy, the quality of the ingredients often tell the tale.

So I see Amsoil has some info that is proprietary, maybe they can keep any test results proprietary since they are fraudulent and misleading.
'Wiggy' your stupidness is pathetic....This 'vette' girl doesn't even know this basic information....But she's owned every year? What a joke... You need to read links, NOT JUST THE 1ST PAGE...Are you aware of anything Corvette relared besides what you read in a link? Go to corvetteforum.com with your knowledge and claims...I want to read it when they laugh at you...I will just post this over they're as you won't go...Pathetic...
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Originally posted by Nucleardawg:
Wiggy your stupidness is pathetic....This 'vette' girl doesn't even know this basic information....But she's owned every year? What a joke.


ahh resorting to insults once again. i can see typing to you is useless. you cant even discuss things without the insults as with most of your comments. grow up and get a life and some intelligence!!!!!
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Originally posted by Nucleardawg:
'Wiggy' your stupidness is pathetic....This 'vette' girl doesn't even know this basic information....But she's owned every year? What a joke... You need to read links, NOT JUST THE 1ST PAGE...Are you aware of anything Corvette relared besides what you read in a link? Go to corvetteforum.com with your knowledge and claims...I want to read it when they laugh at you...I will just post this over they're as you won't go...Pathetic...


btw since you are the spelling nazi it's not they're it's there they're means they are
Does Amsoil have the best warranty in the industry [Re: buster]
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Registered: 10/27/09
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If that what you want to call it. I don't see how the oil itself can have a warranty. Amsoil says 25k but go through the uoa section and see how many made it. I doubt anybody calls requesting their money back.

In this case it would always be the vehicles fault or your driving habits.
Kirk/wiggy is a liar...The google search king implies that he has owned every Corvette...It wasn't aware until brought up it was a production model....This thing is simply a liar.


Trajan banned? I can just re-register their is no issue with multiple accounts here apparently...Apparently this tool MIRO/KIRK/AND NOW THE WOMAN WIGGY does it anyway....Wiggy the woman...The Corvette afficiando...Classic...
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Originally posted by Big Bear:
Amsoil Series 2000 0W30 (SL), 21,000 miles, !992 Ford Aerostar 3.0
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Registered: 07/23/05
Posts: 15
Loc: Los Angeles
1992 Ford Aerostar 3.0 automatic.
112,000 miles on engine.
Oil Use Interval: 21,000 miles (mainly highway – less than 1 year)
Oil: Amsoil Series 2000 0W30 (SL)
Make-up oil added: 3.5 qts.

Blackstone's comments:
We think 21,000 miles on an oil is too long for this engine to handle. Please note the high amounts of chrome (rings), iron (steel parts sharing oil) and lead (bearings) that have left a lot of abrasive metals roaming inside the engine. Universal averages for typical wear are based on a 4,760 miles of oil use and a couple of short oil change intervals would clean up the V-6 in your Aerostar. Sodium was found and might be coolant seeping into the oil or is an additive in the oil. TBN was 2.1 (little active additive left – 1.0 is too low), Viscosity was in the 20W50 range. Check back to monitor.

Element This analysis Universal average

Aluminium...... 6 3
Chromium...... 6 1
Iron ............48 15
Copper..........8 5
Lead.............14 5
Tin ...............3 1
Molybdenum...10 38
Nickel............1 0
Manganese.....1 0
Silver.............0 0
Titanium.........0 0
Potassium.......2 1
Boron............22 48
Silicon............27 16
Sodium.........25 10
Calcium.........2448 2024
Magnesium.....795 223
Phosphorus.....858 759
Zinc..............1022 900
Barium............0 1

Values should be Tested values were

SUS viscosity @ 210F... 56-64 89.9
Flashpoint F ............... > 365 395
Fuel %....................... < 2.0 < 0.5
Antifreeze %............... 0 ?
Water %.................... 0.0 0.0
Insolubles %................ < 0.6 0.4


What would the UOA have been like if no make-up oil were needed and I had used the oil for the recommended 35,000 miles?

This engine has used Amsoil Series 2000 0W30 exclusively for the last 100,000 miles. I'm going to try Mobil 1 EP 5w30 next time.


I agree with the OP, if I had a UOA like that with Amsoil, I would definetly go too a different oil. Seems like there were alot of abrasives traveling around the engine from doing too long of an Extended Drain with Amsoil.

The oil went from a 0W-30 to a 20W-50, I think I will stay away from Amsoil.
Looks like coolant and dirt leaking into the oil. Looks like 4.4 times the universal average for an oil change interval, yet only had 3 times the wear, so the wear per mile was only about 70% of the universal oil wear. Not bad. Especially if contaminated with coolant and high insolubles. Silicon high indicating dirt coming through air filter.

I noticed you left out "I am currently doing an Auto-Rx treatment." Which is against AMSOIL's instructions to not use oil additives. You also left out "Note that I am using a K&N oiled air filter but I noticed the filter housing box might have been letting in some unfiltered air." from the original posting. K&N oiled air filters are known to allow dust into the engine oil which can also increase engine wear and oil viscosity, overload the oil filter with dust particles causing it to go into bypass, and why the insolubles may be high. I would not recommend running extended oil change intervals with a K&N air filter.

Also, the OP was from LA. If you have ever driven the highways in LA, you know that constitutes Severe Service (lots of stop and go, low speeds, idling, higher engine temperatures), which AMSOIL lists for 17,500 miles. So the OP went 3500 miles over that limit.

In spite of all these problems, the AMSOIL held up very well producing low wear metals in extended Severe Service use in a vehicle with some mechanical and filtration issues. Not bad for an obsolete AMSOIL product that was improved upon in 2007 as SSO. Performed as advertised. Again and again, for 38 years.
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Originally posted by Big Bear:
: Amsoil - no longer commenting on Base Oils [Re: 427Z06]
badtlc Offline


Registered: 06/08/06
Posts: 1735
Loc: KC

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She said "we don't comment on what base oils we use as that is proprietary information". This coupled with the rumor Amsoil is testing Group III's doesn't surprise me. It wouldn't surprise me if Amsoil is going the same route as Mobil 1.



Then I'll stop considering use of their products too. If a manufacturer won't give me at least some idea of what I'm receiving for my cash, I simply refuse to buy their product. While final product performance is the ultimate acknowledgment of efficacy, the quality of the ingredients often tell the tale.

So I see Amsoil has some info that is proprietary, maybe they can keep any test results proprietary since they are fraudulent and misleading.


Do you have the link for above?

What test results have been proven fraudulent?

From the AMSOIL FAQs http://www.amsoil.com/frequent.aspx?zo=1181889 :

"What types of synthetic base oils does AMSOL use?

Answer: As the developer of the world's first API qualified synthetic motor oil in 1972, AMSOIL has gained more experience than any other oil company in formulating automotive synthetic lubricants. It is this extensive experience that provides the ability to maximize product performance through use of a full range of high-performance synthetic base oils, most notably polyalphaolefin (PAO). AMSOIL views synthetic base oils the same as it views additives, with each having its own set of unique properties. AMSOIL engineers its lubricants with the synthetic base oil or combination of base oils best suited to a specific lubricant’s application demands (gasoline, diesel, racing, transmission, gear, extended drain, extreme temperature, etc.).

AMSOIL INC. maintains an unwavering commitment to provide products that outperform the competition and deliver maximum benefits to all AMSOIL customers. Performance is the bottom line."
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Originally posted by Nucleardawg:
Kirk/wiggy is a liar...The google search king implies that he has owned every Corvette...It wasn't aware until brought up it was a production model....This thing is simply a liar.


Trajan banned? I can just re-register their is no issue with multiple accounts here apparently...Apparently this tool MIRO/KIRK/AND NOW THE WOMAN WIGGY does it anyway....Wiggy the woman...The Corvette afficiando...Classic...


I suppose so. The fake poster hasn't done anything but attack. and it's obvious to all but a fetus what its agenda is......

Notice how it did not whine about kirk/inhal/annie/miro antics. No comment on your use of Redline either

The 300 1953 vettes were not prototypes. That was the first model year.

By its logic, the 10,660 Model Ts produced in its first year of 1909 were all prototypes.
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Originally posted by Nucleardawg:
Kirk/wiggy is a liar...The google search king implies that he has owned every Corvette...It wasn't aware until brought up it was a production model....This thing is simply a liar.


Trajan banned? I can just re-register their is no issue with multiple accounts here apparently...Apparently this tool MIRO/KIRK/AND NOW THE WOMAN WIGGY does it anyway....Wiggy the woman...The Corvette afficiando...Classic...


first off nuc i didnt ban you. second off i knew it was in production as stated in my first post about corvettes umm what dont you understand about " we never did get a 1953 proto type" and third of all i never said we bought every corvette from 1954. i said " we bought from 1954 on up" not every corvette there after. apparently you have a problem with reading comprehension. among other issues. NOW GET OVER YOURSELF!!!
btw do you always type in the third person? i think you should have that issue checked out by a dr.



"Trajan banned? I can just re-register their is no issue with multiple accounts "
lmao you typed to yourself in most of your posts.
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You're giving this fake poster what it wants Nuc. (Edit that last line.)

That's the only reason it's here, to provoke you enough that you get banned.

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Posts: 522 | Registered: Sun March 14 2010
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
Interesting info Bear, thanks for posting it. I'm laying low and enjoying the show. That UOA for the 92 Aerostar you posted was pretty bad, ouch!


Just a heads up, Amsoil will probably blame Sodium or something along those lines. Smile

AD


AD, isn't it strange that when a good UOA on Amsoil shows up that the Amsoil reps chime in and basically say how great there oil is doing.

Then again when a UOA on Amsoil shows up bad, they blame something else like a bad air filter letting in dirt or maybe some coolant leak or anything else they can think of, they never hold there oil accountable. So AD, isn't it safe to say that if you have a Warranty Claim with Amsoil they will blame something else as opposed to there oil, I have never seen Pablo or Gary chime in a thread about a bad Amsoil UOA and blame there Amsoil Motor Oil, they always come up with a different excuse.

So if the motor oil is not causing the bad UOA, why are people spending so much money on Amsoil when they can just go out and buy a cheaper oil that will give them the same UOA as using Amsoil.

I find it strange that Amsoil frowns on oil additives when one of there Amsoil Dealers is a moderator on the auto-rx forum, seems to me that Amsoil Dealers do whatever they want which probably means they will say anything to push there products so they can line there pockets with your money.

Good UOA, Amsoil says it's there oil.
Bad UOA, Amsoil says its not there oil.

Its starting to seem like auto-rx and Amsoil have something in common, I can remember when arx users did not get results, they blamed the customer, but if they reported something positive they were happy and basically raved about how great there product was doing.
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Originally posted by Big Bear:


AD, isn't it strange that when a good UOA on Amsoil shows up that the Amsoil reps chime in and basically say how great there oil is doing.
Not strange at all. AMSOIL has never had an oil related failure in 38 years. Millions of oil changes and over a billion miles of used oil analyses also confirm.

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Originally posted by Big Bear:Then again when a UOA on Amsoil shows up bad, they blame something else like a bad air filter letting in dirt or maybe some coolant leak or anything else they can think of, they never hold there oil accountable.
When the used oil analysis shows a coolant leak and dirt and the owner admits to using a leaky K&N filter, and the owner admits going 3500 miles over the AMSOIL change interval, it is pretty easy to figure out that the oil is not to blame.
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Originally posted by Big Bear: So AD, isn't it safe to say that if you have a Warranty Claim with Amsoil they will blame something else as opposed to there oil, I have never seen Pablo or Gary chime in a thread about a bad Amsoil UOA and blame there Amsoil Motor Oil, they always come up with a different excuse.
And why should AMSOIL pay for something that the oil did not cause?

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Originally posted by Big Bear: So if the motor oil is not causing the bad UOA, why are people spending so much money on Amsoil when they can just go out and buy a cheaper oil that will give them the same UOA as using Amsoil.
More and more people are buying AMSOIL because they want the best base oils blended with the best additive packages that is warranted longer than any other oil and never voided a warranty, with a lower cost per warranted mile than any other oil. Basically, it saves them time and money and gives them "peace of mind". That is why I use it, as well as hundreds of my customers, and over 1,500 government agencies.

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Originally posted by Big Bear: I find it strange that Amsoil frowns on oil additives when one of there Amsoil Dealers is a moderator on the auto-rx forum, seems to me that Amsoil Dealers do whatever they want which probably means they will say anything to push there products so they can line there pockets with your money.
AMSOIL dealers have their own business. They are not AMSOIL employees. They can sell any products they wish.

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Originally posted by Big Bear: Good UOA, Amsoil says it's there oil.
Bad UOA, Amsoil says its not there oil.
The "bad" UOA's you've shown have had evidence of contamination, oil additives, and not following AMSOIL instructions. Yet, even with all of these, the AMSOIL has shown lower metal wear per mile than the universal averages. Looks like good oil to me. It has performed as advertised for 38 years.
Well most any Amsoil people I have dealt with are honest and fair but every once and a while you meet one who is doing everything out of A.J.'s book and then some. Here is a post with a guy/dealer toughting Amsoil as the best which is just fine but what about the other little half truths and even the Mobil 1 lie he tells of ?


quote: Stangers

I am an engineer and have gotten to be friends with a Ford engineer who has done some work for Rousch. Get what NASCAR uses!!!!!!!!

Synthetic oils are great: Mobile 1 is a blend of synthetic and petro, so you still have to change it often. Castrol is a highly refined petro so once again you must drain it often.

Does thousands of miles to the life of your stang intrest you (with drain intervals of 25000-35000 miles)....Contact me and I will get you info on the first synthetic oil made. Its the reason M1 and others have come up with syn oils to help grab some of the market.

Save $$ for those expensive afmkt parts. Become an educated consumer and make your own decision.

Emery

This is the kind of stuff that makes people hate Amsoil and think it is just another slick 50.

BTW I am a user and retail seller of Amsoil but this just makes it harder to sell to people when they get all confused about what is true and what tests matter in regards to syn oil.

Sneaky Amsoil Salesmen
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Loc: Ontario
Lately I have noticed on a few dealer websites that they are saying that Exxon/Mobil is involved in alledged Human rights violations around the world and providing links to pages containing these allegations. They are saying E/M are doing bad things so you should not buy from and support them, but Amsoil is ok and made in USA. If this is the way a customer feels, then what if they knew about Amsoil buying base stocks from E/M. They are still supporting this "alledged" evil company (E/M).

: Sneaky Amsoil Salesmen
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Loc: NJ
Amsoil makes some good products but I sometimes can't stand their dealers. (Not Pablo,msparks,TS). Over the weekend I spoke with a Direct Jobber who has a huge trailor with Amsoil Oils in it. We were talking about Redline now being available at Advance Auto Parts. I asked him what he thought of it. This was his response: "It sucks. We had them beat years ago. I have the 4-ball wear data around somewhere." [Roll Eyes]

This is the same guy who told me Mobil 1 turns to gell in Toyotas and that a tractor trailor made it across Death Valley California, 400 miles, with no coolant bc the oil was keeping the engine cool enough. He is a nice guy but enough is enough....geezzz.. [Roll Eyes] And to think he is training local dealers and spreading this kind of [censored] around is scary.

TS, Pablo, and msparks are in a league of their own and are true professionals. These other guys are a piece...

No offense guys' but I sometimes wish Amsoil would go retail and get rid of these dealers....they have nothing to offer but [censored] and make it more difficult to find the product. [Frown]


: AMSOIL???
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Posts: 2556
Loc: Columbus Ohio
Honestly........the major oil players, don't see amsoil as a threat. More quarts of mobil 1 are sold in a day, than quarts of amsoil in a year.


I will just make my life easier by purchasing Pennzoil Platinum and I will not even consider using Amsoil's Motor Oil's until they get rid of there dealers and go retail.
I don't get the "I hate Amsoil Salesman"..so I will not buy any of their products.....mentality.

Go into any car dealer,and you will find horrible car salesmen across the board. The same can be said for any product or service. Get over it! Stop whining! They are not putting a gun to your head. Do your own very solid research,and then buy.

Who cares about bad,or pushy salesman. I only care about bad products,or services.

Would you rather buy a lousy product that a great salesman sold you,or a great product that a lousy salesman sold you.

In the end,Buy the best,and forget the rest. I never whine about bad salesman because I do the research first. The salesman to me is just.......an order taker.

If you can't handle the "pressure",buy everything online.
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Originally posted by Big Bear:

I will just make my life easier by purchasing Pennzoil Platinum and I will not even consider using Amsoil's Motor Oil's until they get rid of there dealers and go retail.
That's fine. I will just make my life easier by saving time and money purchasing American owned AMSOIL and will not even consider using Dutch owned Pennzoil Platinum until they recommend and warranty that oil past 4,000 miles/4 months and for more than 15 parts and outperform AMSOIL in undisputed ASTM tests.
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Fighting words from - AJ "AL" Amatuzio
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quote:The one thing I know for a fact is that no other oil company is going to make a better extended drain motor oil than we make, period. They won't because they will formulate down to a price rather than up to our standards. It is more expensive to make the best oil on the market, and they will not cut into their profit margins to do it.

- Action News January Issue


Fighting words from - AJ "AL" Amatuzio
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Posts: 23591

quote: The one thing I know for a fact is that no other oil company is going to make a better extended drain motor oil than we make, period.

It must be nice to have a working crystal ball. [Razz]

quote:They won't because they will formulate down to a price rather than up to our standards. It is more expensive to make the best oil on the market, and they will not cut into their profit margins to do it.

A philanthropist who sells his oil for marginal profit. Cool. [Razz]


This is how I interpret his statement, which is nothing but meaningless rhetoric: "Despite our superior formulation, our extended drain oil isn't worse than the competition's." Makes sense? [Wink]
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Originally posted by Big Bear:

This is how I interpret his statement, which is nothing but meaningless rhetoric: "Despite our superior formulation, our extended drain oil isn't worse than the competition's." Makes sense? [Wink]
It might if the competition ever makes a 35,000 mile/1 year warranted product that equals AMSOIL in undisputed ASTM testing. The competition has had 38 years to try, but can't even warranty a 25,000 mile/1 year oil. Hopefully some day......
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Originally posted by Tim Vipond:
quote:
Originally posted by Big Bear:

This is how I interpret his statement, which is nothing but meaningless rhetoric: "Despite our superior formulation, our extended drain oil isn't worse than the competition's." Makes sense? [Wink]
It might if the competition ever makes a 35,000 mile/1 year warranted product that equals AMSOIL in undisputed ASTM testing. The competition has had 38 years to try, but can't even warranty a 25,000 mile/1 year oil. Hopefully some day......


Sorry to say that Amsoil does not have any undisputed ASTM testing, they just go down to the lab they own, think it is called Oil Analyzers Inc. and just write up whatever they want.

Of course a lab tech down there could actually present Big Al with factual test results, but as we all know Big Al will probably ask the lab tech to change the numbers to make Amsoil look good, of course he will not refuse, since he knows Big Al is the one who signs his checks.

Back in the 1920's Chicago had Al Capone and today Superior, Wisconsin has Big Al, the Head of the Amsoil Family.

Big Al is the Godfather of Motor Oil's.
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Originally posted by Big Bear:
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Originally posted by Tim Vipond:
quote:
Originally posted by Big Bear:

This is how I interpret his statement, which is nothing but meaningless rhetoric: "Despite our superior formulation, our extended drain oil isn't worse than the competition's." Makes sense? [Wink]
It might if the competition ever makes a 35,000 mile/1 year warranted product that equals AMSOIL in undisputed ASTM testing. The competition has had 38 years to try, but can't even warranty a 25,000 mile/1 year oil. Hopefully some day......


Sorry to say that Amsoil does not have any undisputed ASTM testing, they just go down to the lab they own, think it is called Oil Analyzers Inc. and just write up whatever they want.

Of course a lab tech down there could actually present Big Al with factual test results, but as we all know Big Al will probably ask the lab tech to change the numbers to make Amsoil look good, of course he will not refuse, since he knows Big Al is the one who signs his checks.

Back in the 1920's Chicago had Al Capone and today Superior, Wisconsin has Big Al, the Head of the Amsoil Family.

Big Al is the Godfather of Motor Oil's.



Don't forget, we also have.............Big Bear.......and his......Big Mouth.......run by his......."little".......brain.
Al Amatuzio and Bobby Unsers Discussions!
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Posts: 1237
Loc: Up here in Idaho!
Hey Al, my 1940 Rear end in my Pikes peak car keeps breaking rear ends during the races. My team can't find parts and they must machine the gears to fix the rear end often. Do you have a oil that can fix my problems? Well, yes Bobby. I will send you some. Hey Al, problem fixed this rear end just ain't breakin anymore.

Hey Bobby, by the way...did you ever change the oil in your 40 year old tractor? Hey Al, no...changed it years ago and I change the filters regularly, so why throw away good oil? That stuff you make lasts forever."

These statements are kinda funny....at least to me? They are true...according to AJ in his latest "From the Presidents Desk"
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Changing (premium synthetic)motor oil too often may not be a good thing. It has been proven that motor oil actually lubricates better with mileage on it,verses, virgin oil.

BMW has also proven that "seasoned" motor oil protects the engine better than virgin oil,and strongly discourages against changing too soon.

Extended oil changes with premium oil/filters is always the best way to go.

This link supports this fact.....this information has been know for some time now!

http://www.apriliaforum.com/fo...wthread.php?t=135966
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I purchased the car at 60k miles that was serviced by Audi. So I imagine dino oil was used for the first 60k. After which I changed to Amsoil Series 2000 0w30 synthetic. It exceeds all SAE recommended specs per their specifications. Here's my OCI history. Note: Amsoil Series 2000 states that you can double OCI from OEM on turbo models (20,000 miles in this scenario.)

60k - Change to Amsoil Series 2000 and Amsoil oil filter.
70k - Change oil filter with Amsoil oil filter, top off w/ ~1qt Amsoil Series 2000 0w30.
~77K - Due to an extended run at 130mph on the interstate, lost 1qt of oil due to blow-by, topped off with Mobil 1 0w40.
80k - Changed to Amsoil Series 2000 and Amsoil oil filter.
93k - Change oil filter with Amsoil oil filter, top off with ~1qt Amsoil Series 2000 0w30.
105k - Oil was changed by new owner (been in close contact with him) with Amsoil Series 2000 0w30 and some unknown oil filter. Oil light came on.

Note, except for the oil-blow at the high speed run, not a drop of oil was burnt.
I have run Amsoil Series 2000 0w30 in several cars (non-turbo) with the recommended 36k mile OCI and the engines still perform flawlessly. I do believe that if it is indeed sludge, it's build up from the 60k miles I cannot account for. It's known that Amsoil has cleaning properties and it's possible it may have been dislodging sludge and clogging the pump up slowly. I hope.

I feel guilty that he has had the car for less than 1 mo and this has happened, so I feel compelled to help him out. If it were still mine I would have already had AutoRx in it before this had occured.
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Will AMSoil warranty cover this???
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40k, 1.8t, AMSoil 0w-30. Assuming he met mfg oci of 10k, wouldn't AMSoil cover the repair? Or will he get denied factory warranty for using non-spec oil?

http://forums.audiworld.com/a4gen2/msgs/895366.phtml
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Default Amsoil Answers.
I purchased the car at 60k miles that was serviced by Audi. So I imagine dino oil was used for the first 60k. After which I changed to Amsoil Series 2000 0w30 synthetic. It exceeds all SAE recommended specs per their specifications. Here's my OCI history. Note: Amsoil Series 2000 states that you can double OCI from OEM on turbo models (20,000 miles in this scenario.)

60k - Change to Amsoil Series 2000 and Amsoil oil filter.
70k - Change oil filter with Amsoil oil filter, top off w/ ~1qt Amsoil Series 2000 0w30.
~77K - Due to an extended run at 130mph on the interstate, lost 1qt of oil due to blow-by, topped off with Mobil 1 0w40.
80k - Changed to Amsoil Series 2000 and Amsoil oil filter.
93k - Change oil filter with Amsoil oil filter, top off with ~1qt Amsoil Series 2000 0w30.
105k - Oil was changed by new owner (been in close contact with him) with Amsoil Series 2000 0w30 and some unknown oil filter. Oil light came on.

Note, except for the oil-blow at the high speed run, not a drop of oil was burnt.
I have run Amsoil Series 2000 0w30 in several cars (non-turbo) with the recommended 36k mile OCI and the engines still perform flawlessly. I do believe that if it is indeed sludge, it's build up from the 60k miles I cannot account for. It's known that Amsoil has cleaning properties and it's possible it may have been dislodging sludge and clogging the pump up slowly. I hope.

I feel guilty that he has had the car for less than 1 mo and this has happened, so I feel compelled to help him out. If it were still mine I would have already had AutoRx in it before this had occured.
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40k, 1.8t, AMSoil 0w-30. Assuming he met mfg oci of 10k, wouldn't AMSoil cover the repair? Or will he get denied factory warranty for using non-spec oil?

http://forums.audiworld.com/a4gen2/msgs/895366.phtml




HEY BIG BEAR.........THIS LINK IS FIVE YEARS OLD AND IS ONLY A "STORY",WITH NO ANSWER!

WHAT WAS THE POINT OF THE LINK?

I have the same EXACT ENGINE in one of my cars,with almost 70k,using synlube in my case. NO ISSUES.

However,this is 5 years old,and one car out of millions. SO WHAT! BRAND NEW ENGINES HAVE ISSUES!

ALL This talk about using Amsoil is about putting the odds in favor of having no engine issues. NO OIL CAN GUARANTEE EVERY CAR IN AMERICA/THE WORLD, WILL BE PERFECT FOREVER,ESPECIALLY IN THE HANDS OF IDIOTS!


However........the most important thing of All. He used the WRONG GRADE FOR THE ENGINE.......THIS ENGINE CALLS FOR 5W-40.

He then races the car at 130 MPH...FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD....WITH THE WRONG WEIGHT.


These engines(1.8t-turbo) are known to use some oil even with the heavier weights,let alone 0w-30.

Had this car been driven around town,0w-30 MAY have worked,but 5w-40,synthetic(100%) is still best.


The second owner may have according to the post, installed the wrong filter.


The car was also purchased used with 60K on the clock already........these are known sludge monsters. Damage may have been done already. Car was then raced at 130 with wrong weight.

THE CORRECT OIL FOR THE ENGINE,ESPECIALLY IF RACING IT, WOULD BE..

http://www.amsoil.com/catalog.aspx?code=AFLQT-EA

The oil installed in GERMANY BEFORE SHIPPED TO AMERICA IS PENTOSIN I BELIEVE.

http://www.crpindustries.com/pentosin/f_motoroil.asp


The issue with these engines occur when the "American" dealers install their bulk oil of choice. The 10,000 mile oil change interval is based on pentosin,not bulk oil......hence the sludge issues,and engine damage,lawsuits,etc.

Another link about this

http://www.audiworld.com/tech/eng96.shtml



IN SUM........THIS IS A MOST RIDICULOUS/LUDICROUS/MEANINGLESS EXAMPLE,BIG BEAR!!!! IT'S OBVIOUS YOU'RE JUST ATTACKING/SMEARING AMSOIL.
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Originally posted by Big Bear:
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Originally posted by Tim Vipond:
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Originally posted by Big Bear:

This is how I interpret his statement, which is nothing but meaningless rhetoric: "Despite our superior formulation, our extended drain oil isn't worse than the competition's." Makes sense? [Wink]
It might if the competition ever makes a 35,000 mile/1 year warranted product that equals AMSOIL in undisputed ASTM testing. The competition has had 38 years to try, but can't even warranty a 25,000 mile/1 year oil. Hopefully some day......


Sorry to say that Amsoil does not have any undisputed ASTM testing, they just go down to the lab they own, think it is called Oil Analyzers Inc. and just write up whatever they want.

Of course a lab tech down there could actually present Big Al with factual test results, but as we all know Big Al will probably ask the lab tech to change the numbers to make Amsoil look good, of course he will not refuse, since he knows Big Al is the one who signs his checks.
Sorry to say, all of AMSOIL's data has been undisputed for 38 years. AMSOIL publishes the batch numbers for competitor oils and the ASTM methods run. The other oil companies likely duplicated the tests and test results, so they can't say anything is incorrect. The other oil companies would love to show the data is wrong but they haven't been able to for 38 years.
I see you are defending Amsoil, I'll have you know that this thread on BITOG was LOCKED.

The guy used Amsoil for 30,000 miles and his engine developed problems, in this case running an extended drain with Amsoil was not a good idea.

I am not the one that started the thread on Bitog, if you are upset about it then go after the guy that started the thread, everything I have found on Bitog was started by other members.

You think I am running a smear campaign against Amsoil, I am just exposing Amsoil for what it really is, a company that touts extended drains without warning there customers about what they need to know or what they need to be doing.

Look back at the 1st page in this thread and you can see who attacked Redline 1st, it was a Rogue Amsoil Salesman, so if he is going to attack Redline, then I will defend Redline and expose Amsoil.

You can go ahead and attack me like you have attacked Trajan and Nucleardawg, the Bear could care less, but the Bear will definetly hunt down any bad Amsoil Threads that he can find.

Kirk, its quite obvious that you are Trolling in this Thread and you want to get back at Trajan, so keep playing your game while Amsoil keeps getting exposed for its reckless Marketing.
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Originally posted by Big Bear:
I see you are defending Amsoil, I'll have you know that this thread on BITOG was LOCKED.

The guy used Amsoil for 30,000 miles and his engine developed problems, in this case running an extended drain with Amsoil was not a good idea.

I am not the one that started the thread on Bitog, if you are upset about it then go after the guy that started the thread, everything I have found on Bitog was started by other members.

You think I am running a smear campaign against Amsoil, I am just exposing Amsoil for what it really is, a company that touts extended drains without warning there customers about what they need to know or what they need to be doing.

Look back at the 1st page in this thread and you can see who attacked Redline 1st, it was a Rogue Amsoil Salesman, so if he is going to attack Redline, then I will defend Redline and expose Amsoil.

You can go ahead and attack me like you have attacked Trajan and Nucleardawg, the Bear could care less, but the Bear will definetly hunt down any bad Amsoil Threads that he can find.

Kirk, its quite obvious that you are Trolling in this Thread and you want to get back at Trajan, so keep playing your game while Amsoil keeps getting exposed for its reckless Marketing.




THE ONLY TROLL IS YOU,BIG BEAR/TRAJAN


This Audi story is just that........a one time story,not a trend,not a pattern.......AGAIN.........WHAT IS YOUR POINT?


Moreover,the owner was racing the car...HARD. That qualifies for severe driving. He not only abused his car,but the oil as well by not changing at the proper,severe interval. He also used the wrong grade. Car was bought used at 60k. At 105k,oil light comes on with wrong filter and second owner. AND,your point is..........

WHO CARES WHAT THREAD 'HELEN',LOCKS. A LOCKED THREAD PROVES NOTHING,EXCEPT ANNOYED MODERATOR. IT'S ONLY A THREAD. WHAT IS YOUR POINT THERE AS WELL??


The only person/thing getting exposed is......YOU..Big Bear=trajan= nuke.

We all can see you are absolutely trying to smear amsoil,your posts speak volumes.

Your smear campaign is failing miserably because the positive evidence with this lube is stacked against your smear campaign....leaps and bounds.

Those 'smear' posts of yours are pitiful.


Show me a negative trend line against amsoil,which you can't,and we will stop laughing at those desperate posts/links,that prove nothing,except how not to treat a car maybe.

Even if the previous owner had done everything spot on.........and still 'beat the car",and raced the car...........how long should/could it last. However,he did everything wrong,including......trash the car,and it still made a 105k,until the oil light came on. Even so,why did the light come on,and what was the final outcome. Maybe the wrong filter made the light come on,maybe the engine is ok.


In sum.............I don't know what happened to that engine,and why,do you??? All we know is....the light came on. END OF STORY!
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Originally posted by Big Bear:

Look back at the 1st page in this thread and you can see who attacked Redline 1st, it was a Rogue Amsoil Salesman, so if he is going to attack Redline, then I will defend Redline and expose Amsoil.

..... so keep playing your game while Amsoil keeps getting exposed for its reckless Marketing.


So where did I ever attack Red Line? And you have yet to show any reckless AMSOIL marketing. So far, you've only proven it has worked as advertised for 38 years.
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Originally posted by Tim Vipond:
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Originally posted by Big Bear:

Look back at the 1st page in this thread and you can see who attacked Redline 1st, it was a Rogue Amsoil Salesman, so if he is going to attack Redline, then I will defend Redline and expose Amsoil.

..... so keep playing your game while Amsoil keeps getting exposed for its reckless Marketing.


So where did I ever attack Red Line? And you have yet to show any reckless AMSOIL marketing. So far, you've only proven it has worked as advertised for 38 years.


You attacked Redline with your Bogus Amsoil Test that was made up and signed off by Big Al, Amsoil owns Oil Analyzers so they can makeup any test results that they want and try to pass it off as a Valid Test, I am onto what is going on at Amsoil Headquarters, they control everything. Amsoil has there own Oil Analysis Business so they can try and show a legitimate test from a lab, and you know why the other oil companies do not care, its probably becuase Amsoil is not eating into there market share. I see everything that Amsoil posts as pure marketing with bogus facts to sucker the consumer into buying there products.

I am not the only one that is not buying what the Godfather from Superior, Michigan is spelling out for his Lieutenant Amsoil Salesman to say to us, there are over 10,000 views on Bitog in a thread called a " Reason Not To Use Amsoil "

Amsoil started out in 1972, when did the movie called the Godfather come out, I think it was 1973, this whole Amsoil Business is run just like the Mafia where they controlled everything. Amsoil is not paying for any tests that would show there product is worse than the competition, it seems some of these Amsoil Dealers are just bullies and thugs who will trash other oil companies in an attempt to push there agenda, we want what is best for our cars, and not what is best for Godfather Al.
Don't confuse me with the Bear my ignominious little troll.

As you have yet again failed to read the thread, I'll spell it out for you.

I don't use Amsoil because......... wait for it............ it is not on the BMW approval list. I listed it earlier.

I don't use Redline either because........... wait for it............it is not on the BMW approval list. I listed it earlier.

I don't use that synlube swill because.................wait for it..................it's a scam. Don't blame me that your tin god has fallen.
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Originally posted by Trajan:
Don't confuse me with the Bear my ignominious little troll.

As you have yet again failed to read the thread, I'll spell it out for you.

I don't use Amsoil because......... wait for it............ it is not on the BMW approval list. I listed it earlier.

I don't use Redline either because........... wait for it............it is not on the BMW approval list. I listed it earlier.

I don't use that synlube swill because.................wait for it..................it's a scam. Don't blame me that your tin god has fallen.


OK, I'll play this game too

I don't use Amsoil anymore becuause it is overhyped and not worth the price.

I don't use Redline because I feel it is for high performance driving.

I don't use Synlube because there is no way I will leave motor oil in my engine for 50,000 miles.
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Originally posted by Big Bear:
quote:
Originally posted by Trajan:
Don't confuse me with the Bear my ignominious little troll.

As you have yet again failed to read the thread, I'll spell it out for you.

I don't use Amsoil because......... wait for it............ it is not on the BMW approval list. I listed it earlier.

I don't use Redline either because........... wait for it............it is not on the BMW approval list. I listed it earlier.

I don't use that synlube swill because.................wait for it..................it's a scam. Don't blame me that your tin god has fallen.


OK, I'll play this game too

I don't use Amsoil anymore becuause it is overhyped and not worth the price.

I don't use Redline because I feel it is for high performance driving.

I don't use Synlube because there is no way I will leave motor oil in my engine for 50,000 miles.


And that, is all the reason you need. Won't be enough for the trolls, but that's their problem. Not ours.
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