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[QUOTE]Originally posted by ADFD1:
Good observations John. These blanket statements made about running ASM for 35,000 miles, or even half that for severe service can spell disaster. Not to start beating a dead horse again but I wouldn't risk my engine based on claims Amsoil makes for how long their oil can be used.

You have to be certain the engine is in perfect running order, the conditions are perfect, and that nothing changes with the engine during that long interval. Too many things can go wrong.

'NOT TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE' as you say....


ADF1.........Enjoy your 3000 mile oil changes.......

....doubt you are really using Redline oil when in the earlier threads you "swore by dino oil". You are just toying around again anyway to amuse yourself and start any debate just for the sake of debating. YAWN!!!

The rest of us will be UP-TO-DATE with the times,and enjoy doing our waaaaaayyyy over extended oil changes using our kool aid synthetic oil.(lol)

No one is listening to your negative comments,they don't make any sense! YAWN!!!!

The companies that sell those products(AMSOIL,SYNLUBE,ETC) prove it. SALES ARE WAY UP and GOING HIGHER!!

ENJOY YOUR DINO OIL IN YOUR IMPERFECT BEATER CAR,UNFIT FOR SYNTHETIC OIL,AS YOU LIKE TO SAY,USING YOUR LOGIC!

Don't forget....change your points/condensers out soon too!

SAY GOOD NIGHT,GRACIE!
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Originally posted by johnpr3:
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This is a blackstone lab report on the 0w-30 Amsoil,that ADF1 calls kool aid.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/s...w-after-6200-mi.html


I'm not sure what makes this oil analysis so special. Show us a trend over time, not a snapshot in time. Did the oil viscosity continue on the low side? Did that cause wear metals to trend up? How can Blackstone recommend pushing the drain interval out to 7500 miles? Based on their UOA the oil viscosity dropped from 10.3 cSt@100C (AMSOIL data sheet) to 8.32 cSt@100C (Blackstone results), also the flashpoint dropped from 446F to 380F. If it was me, I would like to know why that was happening before I tried going further on an oil change.
John, this looks to be a heavily modified street legal car that sees hard runs at the drag strip on weekends. The wear metals are extremely low for this type of service, lower than for regular cars at half the oil change interval. I'd say Blackstones analysis and recommendations are right on.
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@ ADF1: I don't consider you a troll at all and if you mistook anything I said to be directed at you my apologies...It was just in reference to others. I think Trajan probably knows to those I refer to.

In my opinion both oils are great I like the Redline not only based on the oil, but the great customer service...Amsoil may have some marketing techniques I may not agree with, but I will also acknowledge, it is one of the best oils as well.

The poster who would compare SynGoop to Amsoil is laughable...
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ADFD1:
Good observations John. These blanket statements made about running ASM for 35,000 miles, or even half that for severe service can spell disaster. Not to start beating a dead horse again but I wouldn't risk my engine based on claims Amsoil makes for how long their oil can be used.

You have to be certain the engine is in perfect running order, the conditions are perfect, and that nothing changes with the engine during that long interval. Too many things can go wrong.

'NOT TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE' as you say....


ADF1.........Enjoy your 3000 mile oil changes.......

....doubt you are really using Redline oil when in the earlier threads you "swore by dino oil". You are just toying around again anyway to amuse yourself and start any debate just for the sake of debating. YAWN!!!

The rest of us will be UP-TO-DATE with the times,and enjoy doing our waaaaaayyyy over extended oil changes using our kool aid synthetic oil.(lol)

No one is listening to your negative comments,they don't make any sense! YAWN!!!!

The companies that sell those products(AMSOIL,SYNLUBE,ETC) prove it. SALES ARE WAY UP and GOING HIGHER!!

ENJOY YOUR DINO OIL IN YOUR IMPERFECT BEATER CAR,UNFIT FOR SYNTHETIC OIL,AS YOU LIKE TO SAY,USING YOUR LOGIC!



SAY GOOD NIGHT,GRACIE!



GRACIE/MIRO/KIRK/ANNIE/MURA Where did I swear by Dino Oil and 3000 mile OCI's?

Any idea what I drive? You seem to know, how about telling me?

Had to toss the sales are up for Synlube plug in there? I'm laughing so hard I have tears in my eyes.

A word to the wise, when you shoot your mouth off about a person make sure you have your facts straight. Smart people know that, I thought I'd share it with ya. Smile

The only person not being listened to is you, your respect is gone, remember? Go back a few weeks and a few threads. You think the people here forgot about all the banwdwidth wasted on you, your multi-personalities, and waste oil you were pushing? I think not. Carry on!

AD

PS Dawg- I read through the thread and realized who you were talking about. For a split second I thought it might have been me because I'm not an Amsoil lover. It's all good man! Thanks Truth is to even mention Amsoil on the same page as Synlube is just so very wrong!
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
Good observations John. These blanket statements made about running ASM for 35,000 miles, or even half that for severe service can spell disaster.
Who is recommending running ASM for 35,000 miles? What disaster happened?
SERVICE LIFE
AMSOIL Synthetic 0W-20 Motor Oil is recommended for extended drain intervals in unmodified(1), mechanically sound(2) gasoline-fueled vehicles as follows:

• Normal Service(3) – Up to 25,000 miles or one year, whichever comes first.

• Severe Service(4) – Up to 15,000 miles or one year, whichever comes first.

• Replace AMSOIL Ea Oil Filter at the time of oil change, up to 25,000 miles or one year service life, whichever comes first (other brands at standard OEM* intervals).

• In all non-gasoline fueled vehicle applications, extend the oil change interval according to oil analysis or follow the OEM* drain interval.

*OEM – Original Equipment Manufacturer

(1) Engines operating under modified conditions are excluded from extended drain recommendations. Examples include the use of performance computer chips; non-OEM approved exhaust, fuel or air induction systems; and the use of fuels other than those recommended for normal operation by the manufacturer.

(2) Mechanically sound engines are in good working condition and do not, for example, leak oil or consume excessive amounts, are not worn out, do not overheat, do not leak anti-freeze and have properly working emission control systems. AMSOIL recommends repairing malfunctioning engines prior to the installation of AMSOIL synthetic oils.

(3) Personal vehicles frequently traveling greater than 10 miles (16 km) at a time and not operating under severe service.

(4) Turbo or supercharged vehicles, commercial or fleet vehicles, excessive engine idling, first and subsequent use of AMSOIL in vehicles with over 100,000 miles, daily short trip driving less than 10 miles (16k), frequent towing, plowing, hauling or dusty condition
driving.


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Originally posted by ADFD1:Not to start beating a dead horse again but I wouldn't risk my engine based on claims Amsoil makes for how long their oil can be used. AD
Again, what risk? AMSOIL has made these claims for 38 years and the oil has not failed yet. And if the oil does fail, AMSOIL covers parts and repair with their warranty.

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Originally posted by ADFD1:You have to be certain the engine is in perfect running order, the conditions are perfect, and that nothing changes with the engine during that long interval. Too many things can go wrong.
Again, just follow the Service Life recommendations, and all will be fine.
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Originally posted by johnpr3:

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This is a blackstone lab report on the 0w-30 Amsoil,that ADF1 calls kool aid.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/s...w-after-6200-mi.html


I'm not sure what makes this oil analysis so special. Show us a trend over time, not a snapshot in time. Did the oil viscosity continue on the low side? Did that cause wear metals to trend up? How can Blackstone recommend pushing the drain interval out to 7500 miles? Based on their UOA the oil viscosity dropped from 10.3 cSt@100C (AMSOIL data sheet) to 8.32 cSt@100C (Blackstone results), also the flashpoint dropped from 446F to 380F. If it was me, I would like to know why that was happening before I tried going further on an oil change.
John, this looks to be a heavily modified street legal car that sees hard runs at the drag strip on weekends. The wear metals are extremely low for this type of service, lower than for regular cars at half the oil change interval. I'd say Blackstones analysis and recommendations are right on.

This message has been edited. Last edited by: Tim Vipond, Fri May 21 2010 10:01 PM


Tim,

I think you are missing the concept of oil analysis. My statement isn't for or against AMSOIL service life. I was commenting more on the lab report and comments or recommendations by the lab. When one see's a viscosity drop like in the sample along with a drop in flash point, one has to wonder why that happened. My guess off the cuff would be fuel dilution. I would like to confirm that before I tried extending drains. When you see a drop in viscosity like that, wear metals might not show up for another oil change or two. Kind of a cause and effect. My guess is that AMSOILS technical deptartment would NOT recommend extending that oil, at least, not in writing. There are too many unknowns with regards to the one sample. Not to mention, no TBN or TAN testing. My opion is that the lab was reckless with their comments.
Sales may be up for Amsoil. I don't really know. But...

Typing in my zip code, I saw 20 locations/dealers within 50 miles.

Amsoil, 38 years in, is far from a startup.

synlube, after 40 years, is still a garage level operation, if that.

And I have to give Tim credit. He's been keeping cool. Something lacking in synlube land.

But more to the point, Nuc made his decision. I like Mobil 1. I use Mobil 1. I would not hesitate to suggest its use by anyone who wants a good oil.

Nuc likes RL better. If he's happy, I'm happy for him.
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Originally posted by johnpr3:


Tim,

I think you are missing the concept of oil analysis. My statement isn't for or against AMSOIL service life. I was commenting more on the lab report and comments or recommendations by the lab. When one see's a viscosity drop like in the sample along with a drop in flash point, one has to wonder why that happened. My guess off the cuff would be fuel dilution. I would like to confirm that before I tried extending drains. When you see a drop in viscosity like that, wear metals might not show up for another oil change or two. Kind of a cause and effect. My guess is that AMSOILS technical deptartment would NOT recommend extending that oil, at least, not in writing. There are too many unknowns with regards to the one sample. Not to mention, no TBN or TAN testing. My opion is that the lab was reckless with their comments.
You can only expect so much from a $20 lab analysis. And since this is a highly modified car run hard at the dragstrip on weekends, he might be using fuel or fuel additives that might effect viscosity and flash point. Neither was enough to effect wear metals. Fuel dilution measured was low. First time oil analysis could include some lower viscosity/lower flash oil from the previous oil change which could skew the results. He could run it by AMSOIL and see what they think. But the analysis is 2 years old and he still raves about AMSOIL, so he seems not to have experienced any problems, so the Blackstone analysis seems to have been proven correct by the test of time.
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Originally posted by Tim Vipond:
Who is recommending running ASM for 35,000 miles?
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Lets see Tim we discussed this last night. You mentioned in one of our warranty chats this:



The OLM and OM "recommendations" was designed for the lowest quality oil that barely meets the Ford specs. It doesn't apply to AMSOIL. Yes, if I had a new Mustang, used SSO and drove it 35,000 normal miles in a year or less and it would still keep the factory warranty intact.
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In that thread it seemed you were saying 35,000 miles or 1 year for the SSO. Not me.


IIRC it was 25K or 1 year under PERFECT conditions. If you remember I said there were reps giving out false info, and making false claims. Very easy to confuse people, in your case I think it was an honest mistake though.

AD
Dawg- there are a few people here, a few [one person] with about 4 handles that thinks, me you and Trajen are 1 person. It is getting old.

He also takes time to plug is waste oil, which is getting old too. He figures if he plays nice nice with the Amsoil people he'll be part of the good ole boys. LOL

Truth still remains his swill shouldn't be mentioned in the same thread as Amsoil and RL. But we all enjoy a good joke from time to time.

AD
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
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Originally posted by Tim Vipond:
Who is recommending running ASM for 35,000 miles?
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Lets see Tim we discussed this last night. You mentioned in one of our warranty chats this:



The OLM and OM "recommendations" was designed for the lowest quality oil that barely meets the Ford specs. It doesn't apply to AMSOIL. Yes, if I had a new Mustang, used SSO and drove it 35,000 normal miles in a year or less and it would still keep the factory warranty intact.
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In that thread it seemed you were saying 35,000 miles or 1 year for the SSO. Not me.


IIRC it was 25K or 1 year under PERFECT conditions. If you remember I said there were reps giving out false info, and making false claims. Very easy to confuse people, in your case I think it was an honest mistake though.

AD
SSO is the 35,000 mile oil, ASM is the 25,000 mile oil. Not PERFECT conditions. NORMAL Service.
So I got the 35K figure from you, we were talking SSO were we not?

Also please define normal conditions according to Amsoil? To me Normal means the car reaches operating temps and is driven enough to burn off all the junk, other than that it would be considered severe? There are also conditions that are between normal and severe. Born and raised in Down State NY there was no such thing as normal conditions.

Good nite, see ya tomorrow.

AD
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Originally posted by Nucleardawg:
I have read a few UOA's where SSO was trashed long before it ever got close to that 35k number.

I mean so many factors come into play that, well to be perfectly frank, I just will not run my oil that long even if Amsoil says I can.


I mentioned that a few pages back, it got skipped over. Glad you mentioned it again.

The oil is good, it is not perfect. If you take Amsoil's recommendations at face value, you are taking a chance. If you believe you have Amsoil in your corner, and you believe in 38 years they never had an oil related problem, again you are taking a chance. People should know this who use their extended drain oils, unfortunately their reps may not tell them the whole story. In a nut shell that is a major point in this discussion.

I'd follow the OM with a good quality oil, and filter, and be safe, and happy.

AD
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
So I got the 35K figure from you, we were talking SSO were we not?

Also please define normal conditions according to Amsoil? To me Normal means the car reaches operating temps and is driven enough to burn off all the junk, other than that it would be considered severe? There are also conditions that are between normal and severe. Born and raised in Down State NY there was no such thing as normal conditions.

Good nite, see ya tomorrow.

AD
Again, SSO is the 35,000 mile oil. You mentioned ASM as a 35,000 mile oil, it is the 25,000 mile oil. Normal service was defined in my post above.
I don't recall mentioning ATM. We were discussing SSO. If I mentioned ATM it was a mistake. 35K is a long way, and a big gamble. Read above I'm not going to type it again.

Not many people drive under "normal' conditions to push the oil 35K. In fact in the NY Metro area normal driving doesn't exist nor does it exist in many other places of this great nation!

Someone else mentioned the UOA's where SSO was spent long before that, so I'm not the only person saying this. I'm sorry you don't understand the point in all this.

AD
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Originally posted by Nucleardawg:
I have read a few UOA's where SSO was trashed long before it ever got close to that 35k number.

I mean so many factors come into play that, well to be perfectly frank, I just will not run my oil that long even if Amsoil says I can.
Could you please post the link to the UOAs? It depends on the application, the type of driving, the condition of the engine and the length of time whether or not 35,000 miles is recommended. The oil change service life is listed on the bottles and on the website.
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
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Originally posted by Nucleardawg:
I have read a few UOA's where SSO was trashed long before it ever got close to that 35k number.

I mean so many factors come into play that, well to be perfectly frank, I just will not run my oil that long even if Amsoil says I can.


I mentioned that a few pages back, it got skipped over. Glad you mentioned it again.

The oil is good, it is not perfect. If you take Amsoil's recommendations at face value, you are taking a chance. If you believe you have Amsoil in your corner, and you believe in 38 years they never had an oil related problem, again you are taking a chance. People should know this who use their extended drain oils, unfortunately their reps may not tell them the whole story. In a nut shell that is a major point in this discussion.
What chance are you taking? I think you take a much bigger chance driving down the street since AMSOIL has not failed in 38 years, yet there have been a million auto accidents and part failures in that time.
What chance? The possibility of voiding my warranty for not using API certified oil. When you buy a car you follow the mfg suggestions, they make and back the product, you agree to service the vehicle as they suggest. It keeps you out of trouble. Then we have the issue of using 0W30 in a vehicle the mfg clearly states 5W20 only, but Amsoil says it is OK. Running the oil longer than recommended because an Amsoil rep says it is OK. Those are the chances I'm taking.

You just can't grasp that. You sell the stuff fine, use it. Suggest it to your clients, tell them Amsoil knows better than the auto maker, and that Amsoil will back them up 100%, hassle free if they have a problem. They have your word and Big Al's word. Gee for $35 I can sell the stuff too! I won't though because I'm not taking the chances!

AD
Tim,

I will look up those UOA's but I probably won't get around to it until later this evening or tomorrow. I don't mean to put you off I just have alot on my plate this weekend. Corvette brakes are still causing me issues grrrr.

Again i'm not knocking Amsoil as I know of it's reputation. Thanks for the link on the comparison with Redline motorcycle oil's. I will add my buddy just swapped out all the fluids on his Dyna to Amsoil.
I borrowed this from the other site. Seems Amsoil is not really problem free.

I'd suggested he follow Honda's recommendations, after all Honda did make the car. When the oil light comes on you are probably doing damage to the engine. I'd be one very twisted Sailor of that happened.

AD
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Got an email from Amsoil
....stating the filter I use for my civic should not be used for the 1yr drain interval and should be replaced according to what honda says to do. This kinda bothers me. Reason I bought Amsoil was for the 1yr interval. Cost is about the same for it but saves me time from changing the oil 3times year vs 1 time a year.
I called to ask about it and the tech guy said they got a few complaints that the low oil pressure light is coming on and now they are testing to see why. Well i have done 18k/1yr and had nothing of that sort happen to me. I didnt even have to add any makeup oil. At the end of the 1yr the dipstock showed the oil in between full and add. Anyways amsoil sends me a wix filter and an extra quart of SSO 30w free of charge to make up for the fact i have to change it earlier. I'm thinking of still doing the 1yr interval. Any suggestions?
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
What chance? The possibility of voiding my warranty for not using API certified oil.
The Red Line you are using now is not API certified. Why do you see that as a possibility when I posted links and info that no automaker requires API certified oils to keep the factory warranty? And AMSOIL offers API certified 5w20, 5w30, 10w30, 10w40 and 15w40 if that is important to you.
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Originally posted by ADFD1: When you buy a car you follow the mfg suggestions, they make and back the product, you agree to service the vehicle as they suggest. It keeps you out of trouble.
How does it keep you out of trouble? The warranty only covers manufacturing defects, not contingent on maintenance intervals as I've quoted the automakers twice before. Go back and reread what they said.
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Originally posted by ADFD1: Then we have the issue of using 0W30 in a vehicle the mfg clearly states 5W20 only, but Amsoil says it is OK. Running the oil longer than recommended because an Amsoil rep says it is OK.
. Again, go back and read the automanufacturer quotes I provided. They clearly have no problems with any of those issues. Here it is again. “The New Vehicle Warranty would not be void
simply because an owner failed to use proper
engine oils or did not perform maintenance at the
prescribed intervals. Warranty applicability is
contingent upon the cause of failure.”
Service Policies and Procedures Department,
General Motors Corporation “
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Originally posted by ADFD1:Those are the chances I'm taking.
So if you read those manufacturer quotes about warranty, it aligns completely with AMSOIL's recommendations, and if the AMSOIL ever fails (which it never has in 38 years in millions of vehicles and oil changes), then AMSOIL pays in or out of warranty. So I don't see where you are taking any chances. You take a much bigger chance with an oil company that offers no or a much weaker warranty, which is currently what you are doing. And spending more money per mile to do so.

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Originally posted by ADFD1:Suggest it to your clients, tell them Amsoil knows better than the auto maker, and that Amsoil will back them up 100%, hassle free if they have a problem. They have your word and Big Al's word. Gee for $35 I can sell the stuff too! I won't though because I'm not taking the chances!

AD
Actually they have the written word of the law, vehicle manufacturers and AMSOIL. There hasn't been a problem yet. And they they aren't taking as big of a chance as you are.
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You worked for Shell oil, did you ever work for a dealership, a NY dealership? Cars sit in lots for a very long time waiting when there is a problem and the suggested maint interval was not followed. EG 0W30 in a 5W20 application, oil that was supposed to be changed every 6 months or 7,500 miles being in the sump for 1 year or 12,000 miles. Ask any service writer what happens in these cases if the engine fails because of the wrong oil. I say follow the mfg suggestions, follow the intervals they suggestm not what Amsoil suggests, then you reduce the risks.

Amsoil is in business to sell their products, the are not the company that made the vehicle, nor did they set the specs or write the OM. Why can't you understand that? I don't believe the Amsoil BS, sorry.

How about those bad filters?

Why do I like Red Line? Because IMO it is a better oil, and I feel more comfortable dealing with them than Amsoil. Pretty simple. You can copy and paste until you're blue in the face, I WON'T USE AMSOIL ANYMORE! Nada, no way, no cigar!

AD
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
You worked for Shell oil, did you ever work for a dealership, a NY dealership? Cars sit in lots for a very long time waiting when there is a problem and the suggested maint interval was not followed. EG 0W30 in a 5W20 application, oil that was supposed to be changed every 6 months or 7,500 miles being in the sump for 1 year or 12,000 miles. Ask any service writer what happens in these cases if the engine fails because of the wrong oil. I say follow the mfg suggestions, follow the intervals they suggestm not what Amsoil suggests, then you reduce the risks.
I suppose a crooked dealership might try to get an uninformed consumer to pay for or delay repairs it the oil did not fail. That is why I inform consumers of their rights. Did you ever work with AMSOIL on a claim? They take care of it promptly. Ask any service writer what happens in these cases if the engine fails with AMSOIL in the engine. No problems, ever, in millions of cars, millions of oil changes. It may be different with other oils, especially if they fail. Again, one of the many reasons I use AMSOIL.

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Originally posted by ADFD1:Amsoil is in business to sell their products, the are not the company that made the vehicle, nor did they set the specs or write the OM. Why can't you understand that? I don't believe the Amsoil BS, sorry.
Please show where there has been a problem with a warranty claim with AMSOIL.

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Originally posted by ADFD1:How about those bad filters?
You mean the ones that hold more and smaller particles, flow better, last longer and have the only 25,000 mile/1 year warranty in the business? What about them? AMSOIL is concerned that on very rare ocassions with a few filters in a few vehicles the oil light has come on before 25,000 miles. They are investigating the cause and warranty any problems. They are giving away free oil and filters to those who are concerned. They stepped up to the plate and are taking care of their customers. No problem.

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Originally posted by ADFD1:Why do I like Red Line? Because IMO it is a better oil, and I feel more comfortable dealing with them than Amsoil. Pretty simple. You can copy and paste until you're blue in the face, I WON'T USE AMSOIL ANYMORE! Nada, no way, no cigar!
That's fine. Use what you like. I do. Why do you feel it is a better oil? None of their oils are API certified. They don't seem to have a written warranty. It doesn't perform as well as AMSOIL in undisputed standard ASTM tests by independent laboratories, they don't dispute the data, and don't publish their own comparison testing. They don't warranty their engine oil for up to 35,000 miles/1 year. AMSOIL has never failed, and if it does, they pay for parts and labor. Red Line costs more per warranted mile than AMSOIL. It seems to be less available. Just curious.
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You keep on believing Tim. I don't work for Amsoil, but for $35 I could. I don't believe in the product, and won't sell it.

If a car dealer feels the oil was at fault why would that make them crooked? They have a right to refuse repairs if you don't follow their recommendations. Their warranty is a contract, between you and them, you follow the warranty rules they fix your car. They tell you change the oil in 6 months or 7500 miles, use the grade they suggest then fine! Do you tell your customers that? You use something not spec'd for twice the suggested interval some dude paid $35 for the right to sell, you are on your own.

Amsoil warranty claims are not for the public to know about Tim, not even you, a dealer. So why ask me about claims? How would I or anyone else know about claims. You know what Amsoil wants you to know, and nothing more. Your cutting and pasting said they do a lot of investigating before paying out on a claim. They look to Cover their Arse.

Yes their filters are showing problems on Toyota's and now Honda applications, probably others too. Amsoil is giving a free filter and a free qt of oil to people with issues. One guy got a Wix filter, LOL. I read the thread on Bitog mentioning the problems with the filters. Wow! talk about CS a free filter if their filter clogs and an oil light comes on. What about damage? When an oil light comes on there is a problem, and probably some damage or excelerated wear. Tough to prove for the poor sap that had faith in that 25,000 mile filter that Amsoil sold him. I guess Amsoil feels if there is no knock, and no way for someone to prove there was damage they are off the hook, Nice!

Maybe they should test before they make the claims, not on the fly, on a car owners expense. That would be nice wouldn't it?

A few friends had dealings with Gary Allen, from what they told me he is a straight shooter and tells it like it is. Honest, no BS, in fact I've read threads where he has suggested based on peoples needs, oils and filters other than Amsoil. Hats off to that guy, if I ever considered Amsoil again he'd be the guy I'd buy it from. Reading your threads there is only one oil, Amsoil. No thanks!

AD
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
If a car dealer feels the oil was at fault why would that make them crooked?
They have to do more than "feel" the oil is at fault, they have to prove it.
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Originally posted by ADFD1: They have a right to refuse repairs if you don't follow their recommendations. Their warranty is a contract, between you and them, you follow the warranty rules they fix your car.
The warranty is not between the car dealer and the customer, it is between the car manufacturer and the customer.
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Originally posted by ADFD1: They tell you change the oil in 6 months or 7500 miles, use the grade they suggest then fine! Do you tell your customers that? You use something not spec'd for twice the suggested interval some dude paid $35 for the right to sell, you are on your own.
It is not fine if the oil fails. Just ask the customers who changed their vehicle manufacturers "recommended" oils at the "recommended" time, whose engines were sludged up and charged for repairs. Then it falls back to the oil company and the courts. I tell my customers they can follow AMSOIL's recommendations for oil changes and they will not void their warranty, and AMSOIL is warranted in and out of warranty. No problems in 38 years.

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Originally posted by ADFD1:Amsoil warranty claims are not for the public to know about Tim, not even you, a dealer. So why ask me about claims? How would I or anyone else know about claims. You know what Amsoil wants you to know, and nothing more. Your cutting and pasting said they do a lot of investigating before paying out on a claim. They look to Cover their Arse.
If there were problems with AMSOIL and claims, customers would complain to consumer agencies and on the internet. Yet I don't see any.

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Originally posted by ADFD1:Yes their filters are showing problems on Toyota's and now Honda applications, probably others too. Amsoil is giving a free filter and a free qt of oil to people with issues. One guy got a Wix filter, LOL. I read the thread on Bitog mentioning the problems with the filters. Wow! talk about CS a free filter if their filter clogs and an oil light comes on. What about damage? When an oil light comes on there is a problem, and probably some damage or excelerated wear. Tough to prove for the poor sap that had faith in that 25,000 mile filter that Amsoil sold him. I guess Amsoil feels if there is no knock, and no way for someone to prove there was damage they are off the hook, Nice!
If there is damage, then AMSOIL pays. Oil analysis and parts failure by experts can easily determine this.

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Originally posted by ADFD1:Maybe they should test before they make the claims, not on the fly, on a car owners expense. That would be nice wouldn't it?
Donaldson, AMSOIL and SouthWest Research institute all did testing on these filters before they made claims.

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Originally posted by ADFD1:A few friends had dealings with Gary Allen, from what they told me he is a straight shooter and tells it like it is. Honest, no BS, in fact I've read threads where he has suggested based on peoples needs, oils and filters other than Amsoil. Hats off to that guy, if I ever considered Amsoil again he'd be the guy I'd buy it from. Reading your threads there is only one oil, Amsoil. No thanks!
Gary does a great job. My customers will tell you the same about me. If you read my threads, you will learn that I have no problems with other oils as long as you follow what the vehicle manufacturer and the oil company recommends. And be sure to read their warranty. AMSOIL is really the only oil available that formulated for, tested for, and has the best warranty for extended oil change intervals with no oil related failures nor voided warranty coverage for 38 years.
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AMSOIL is really the only oil available that formulated for, tested for, and has the best warranty for extended oil change intervals with no oil related failures nor voided warranty coverage for 38 years.


Says you! Why not read about the Honda filters they screwed up, or SSO giving up the TBN long before it should have according to Amsoil specs. Its out there "search" is your friend.


Keep in mind Tim no Company will disclose their problems to a dealer who paid $35 for the right to sell some product. Their warranty woes are kept to upper level management, not the worker ants. I learned a long time ago, not to believe everything I see or hear, especially from a salesman. Same goes here.

If Amsoil is the perfect company you were lead to believe it is fine. Don't try and convince others of your mistaken beliefs. Maybe we should give the board owners a break & save some bandwidth, seeing you only see things one way thru blinders. Or were you programmed to have the last word? If you get a minute visit the other site, some good talk going on about the Honda filters plugging up, and a free Wix filter and a qt of oil to make it right! Awesome reading.

AD
15,000 mile OCI's on Mobil 1 ??? [Re: Steelers]
TimVipond


Registered: 12/19/06
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Loc: Sugar Land, TX Be sure to read Mobil 1 EP's fine print. If you are under warranty, they say to follow the manufactures OCI. If you drive under severe conditions (which are most people), follow the manufacturers OCI. The 15,000 miles (or 1 year whichever is first), only applies to cars out of warranty and for normal miles (does not include excessive idling, mostly short trips, dusty conditions, extreme temperatures, etc.). So the 15,000 mile oil change is really warranted for a pretty small percentage of vehicles.
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Can I really go 15,000 miles before an oil cha [Re: sxg6]
TimVipond


Registered: 12/19/06
Posts: 1049
Loc: Sugar Land, TX Be sure to read all the exceptions that Mobil 1 lists in their warranty.

"For vehicles covered by a warranty, follow the vehicle's oil life sensor or the oil change interval recommended in your owner's manual. Follow your owner's manual if the vehicle is operated in any of the following severe services: racing or commercial applications including taxis, limousines, etc.; frequent towing or hauling; extremely dusty or dirty conditions; or under excessive idling conditions."
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Redline 10w30 Last for 18k miles? [Re: AlexSG]
TimVipond


Registered: 12/19/06
Posts: 1049
Loc: Sugar Land, TX Ask Redline your question http://redlineoil.com/contact.asp , see what they say and let us know.

Their site says "How often should I change my Red Line oil?

It depends on how you drive. If you do a lot of city driving or low speed/low frequency driving, we recommend oil changes at 7500 miles. Vehicles that see more highway driving can go a maximum of 15,000 to 18,000 miles with an oil filter change in between. Modern filter technology and the latest, clean-burning fuels have reduced the solids that contaminate oil, so frequent filter changes aren't usually necessary. "
Sounds like you do mostly city driving so the 7500 mile limit might apply. Or have an oil analysis done. I'm not sure Redline offers a warranty for extended oil change intervals. When in doubt, change it out.

And to BITOG half way around the world!
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Tim, I found a few posts from Bitog where you are saying that extended oil drains are really for a small percentage of people, if you are doubting that Mobil 1 or Redline can go 15,000 miles, then the same goes for Amsoil. Almost all of your posts on the other board were about Amsoil, I saw your last post where you got into it with a member, the thread was about a guy that had Varnish or other nasty stuff in his Valvetrain from using Motorcraft Oil, and you basically come in and say well if he had been using Amsoil he would not have had these problems. Amsoil motor oil's may keep an engine clean but from my observations I have not seen them have the ability to clean up any junk that is already in the engine.
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
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AMSOIL is really the only oil available that formulated for, tested for, and has the best warranty for extended oil change intervals with no oil related failures nor voided warranty coverage for 38 years.


Says you! Why not read about the Honda filters they screwed up, or SSO giving up the TBN long before it should have according to Amsoil specs. Its out there "search" is your friend.
Show otherwise. I think AMSOIL did a commendable job on the filters. When they found out that in rare cases, a few filters caused a few cars oil light to come on, they started their investigation. They contacted their customers. They offered refunds or replacement oil and filters. They cover any damage caused by the oil and the filters. What more do you want?

Please post where SSO gave up the TBN when used as recommended. I've never seen any. I have seen low TBN when customers did not follow AMSOIL's recommended change intervals, exceeding a year, severe service, first time use, over 100,000 miles on the engine, modified engines, engine problems unrelated to the oil, etc.

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Originally posted by ADFD1:Keep in mind Tim no Company will disclose their problems to a dealer who paid $35 for the right to sell some product. Their warranty woes are kept to upper level management, not the worker ants. I learned a long time ago, not to believe everything I see or hear, especially from a salesman. Same goes here.
Not only does AMSOIL say they haven't voided a warranty, no one else has said otherwise. Please prove otherwise.

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Originally posted by ADFD1: If you get a minute visit the other site, some good talk going on about the Honda filters plugging up, and a free Wix filter and a qt of oil to make it right! Awesome reading.

AD


What other site? Please post a link about Honda filters plugging up.
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Originally posted by Big Bear:

Tim, I found a few posts from Bitog where you are saying that extended oil drains are really for a small percentage of people,
They are if using Mobil 1 EP, since you have to be out of warranty and only normal service.
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Originally posted by Big Bear: if you are doubting that Mobil 1 or Redline can go 15,000 miles, then the same goes for Amsoil.
Not really. Mobil 1 nor Redline are formulated or warranted for extended oil changes. Mobil 1 EP is if you carefully follow their recommendations. AMSOIL has formulated and warranted extended oil changes in or out of vehicle warranty for 38 years. Quite a bit of difference.
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Originally posted by Big Bear: Amsoil motor oil's may keep an engine clean but from my observations I have not seen them have the ability to clean up any junk that is already in the engine.
I have seen AMSOIL clean up the junk in my 1997 Chevy Venture minivan after it was sludged up with I think Pennzoil and coolant from the infamous intake manifold leak. It also cleaned up the sight glass on my 2000 BMW LT that had previously used BMW and Mobil 1 motorcycle synthetic and was so varnished up I could no longer read the oil level.
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