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Originally posted by Big Bear:
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Originally posted by Tim Vipond:
Here is that thread in it's entirety: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/...Number=939413&page=2

Here is his comment that I responded to: "Did you read his post? He said he doesn't know what the previous owner used for the first 32K miles. As for Motorcraft, the UOAs speak for themselves.

Let's face it Tim, you're an Amsoil koolaid drinker. " He "stepped down" as a moderator shortly after.


I have read all of your posts on BITOG, Amsoil, Amsoil, Amsoil.

It seems you angered quite a few members on that board, and the guy named Bill In Utah who responded to you is now a Moderator, he calls it like he sees it, your doing the same thing here, jumping into a Redline Thread and pushing Amsoil while you try and slam Redline, that's not cool, and that's why you are not posting on Bitog.
Wow, you read ALL 1049 of my posts? I'm impressed and flattered. I hope they were worth your time. I'm surprised you still ask me AMSOIL questions after that. I think I covered pretty much everything up until that time.

Yeah, some people don't like to be challenged on their opinions. I don't see that I've slammed Redline. I think it is a good oil. Just not the best in every situation. I'm not posting on BITOG because I am "read only" and Pablo and Gary do a good job of answering AMSOIL questions.
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Originally posted by Tim Vipond:
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Originally posted by Big Bear:
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Originally posted by Tim Vipond:
Here is that thread in it's entirety: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/...Number=939413&page=2

Here is his comment that I responded to: "Did you read his post? He said he doesn't know what the previous owner used for the first 32K miles. As for Motorcraft, the UOAs speak for themselves.

Let's face it Tim, you're an Amsoil koolaid drinker. " He "stepped down" as a moderator shortly after.


I have read all of your posts on BITOG, Amsoil, Amsoil, Amsoil.

It seems you angered quite a few members on that board, and the guy named Bill In Utah who responded to you is now a Moderator, he calls it like he sees it, your doing the same thing here, jumping into a Redline Thread and pushing Amsoil while you try and slam Redline, that's not cool, and that's why you are not posting on Bitog.
Yeah, some people don't like to be challenged on their opinions. I don't see that I've slammed Redline. I think it is a good oil. Just not the best in every situation. I'm not posting on BITOG because I am "read only" and Pablo and Gary do a good job of answering AMSOIL questions.


It seems to me you are on "Read Only" because you were pushing Amsoil when you were not a site sponsor, like Gary and Pablo are with Amsoil. It also seems like you were not following the rules, that's how I see it from reading your old posts.

When Bill In Utah calls you out and slams you, then you are doing something wrong. JMO
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Originally posted by Big Bear:


When Bill In Utah calls you out and slams you, then you are doing something wrong. JMO
He called me out and slammed me after I was put on "read only". What a brave man! Roll Eyes Don't you think that is wrong?

Wow, you read ALL 1049 of my posts? I'm impressed and flattered. I hope they were worth your time. I'm surprised you still ask me AMSOIL questions after that. I think I covered pretty much everything up until that time.
What does that have to do with anything? Why should it matter?

Here is a little something to think about. It appears the owner of Bitog had enough confidence in him to make him a moderator a while back, I'm not sure if he's still doing it. That must say something about him as a person, and a poster in threads. People like you would disagree with him because of his views on oil. But his oil and oil change habits seem to be saving him lots of money and his cars run very well and last a long time. Testimony from a person like him w/o an agenda plays big in how many people make product choices.

AD
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
Just your opinion probably from eating sour grapes, and getting called out. The man is respected on Bitog, and is not pushing a product for his own personal gain.

AD
No sour grapes. And you notice he didn't call me out until I was "read only". I've also seen where he often belittles other posters. Very respectable. Roll Eyes I see he pushes conventional oils and short oil changes. How do you know he doesn't own a quick lube that only carries conventional oils? I'm just saying it has been shown time and time again that anonymous internet posters are sometimes not who they seem to be. Some putting trust in them have paid with their lives.
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Originally posted by Tim Vipond:
I'm not posting on BITOG because I am "read only" and Pablo and Gary do a good job of answering AMSOIL questions.


Read only. I enjoy reading some of the information on BITOG but they/we have lost so many truly knowledgeable members over the years. Like Ted Kublin "Tooslick". He was also a amsoil dealer but he offer good unbiased insight on non-amsoils UOA's every day he was signed on, no sales pitch, no brand bashing. I'd love to have him back and I bet Bill would too.

For a long time Bill was alone in the woods with his use of good old dino and sensible change intervals. Look at how many UOA's bill did over the years not for himself but simply to back up what he has said for 8 years now. Bill spent more on the UOA then he did for the oil and filter.

I would like to see you post again Tim. An argument with just 1 side is of no value what so ever. I am not interested in 1 group simply cheerleading their product. I would much rather see an open dialogue with differing perspectives.
Maybe you can clear this up. You mentioned a new Mustang under warranty and 35,000 mile OCI, with no worries running that long an OCI. Then your Motor home which is also under a warranty which you ran 5 times longer than Ford recommends. You drive them w/o worry, and the warranty remains intact as you put it.

Not really if you had a problem. Here is what Amsoil has to say in their own words.
It's written so an attorney would have to make sense out of it.

They don't mention after the installation of Amsoil's products, we could either assume one would have to continue to follow the mfg recommendations. If that's the case they'd like to see an API spec'd oil but we won't got there. Or we need a lawyer to explain our rights.

AD

AMSOIL RESERVES THE RIGHT TO REJECT A WARRANTY CLAIM FOR ANY OR ALL OF THE FOLLOWING REASONS:
1. Failure to follow all OEM recommendations for warranty coverage, including lubricants, maintenance, and drain intervals, prior
to the first installation of AMSOIL lubricants.
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Originally posted by ADFD1:

AMSOIL RESERVES THE RIGHT TO REJECT A WARRANTY CLAIM FOR ANY OR ALL OF THE FOLLOWING REASONS:
1. Failure to follow all OEM recommendations for warranty coverage, including lubricants, maintenance, and drain intervals, prior
to the first installation of AMSOIL lubricants.


Not a lawyer, but I've been asked why don't I become one Big Grin

The way I read it, and this is just the way I read it, the words in red are the key. You fail to follow any of the OEM recommendations for warranty coverage, and you screwed yourself.

Why? because the OEM recco's are for the length of the warranty.

I just don't see why such a mountain is being made out of a molehill. Follow the mfg warranty until it's up.

Why is that even an issue....
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
Maybe you can clear this up. You mentioned a new Mustang under warranty and 35,000 mile OCI, with no worries running that long an OCI. Then your Motor home which is also under a warranty which you ran 5 times longer than Ford recommends. You drive them w/o worry, and the warranty remains intact as you put it.

Not really if you had a problem. Here is what Amsoil has to say in their own words.
It's written so an attorney would have to make sense out of it.

They don't mention after the installation of Amsoil's products, we could either assume one would have to continue to follow the mfg recommendations. If that's the case they'd like to see an API spec'd oil but we won't got there. Or we need a lawyer to explain our rights.

AD

AMSOIL RESERVES THE RIGHT TO REJECT A WARRANTY CLAIM FOR ANY OR ALL OF THE FOLLOWING REASONS:
1. Failure to follow all OEM recommendations for warranty coverage, including lubricants, maintenance, and drain intervals, prior
to the first installation of AMSOIL lubricants.
AMSOIL is just saying they are not responsible for the previously used lubricants, maintenance and drain intervals before AMSOIL, should those be found to cause the failure. After the installation of AMSOIL's products, you are warranted by AMSOIL's service recommendations.
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
Not an issue with me, but for some who believe they can run an OCI 5 times longer than a mfg suggests it can be a big problem. Got to love those disclaimers.

AD
It hasn't been an issue or problem with the 3500 Texas State Police vehicles for the past 10 years. Nor anyone else. Just follow AMSOIL's Service recommendations and you'll be fine as they've proven for the past 38 years.
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Originally posted by Trajan:
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Originally posted by ADFD1:

AMSOIL RESERVES THE RIGHT TO REJECT A WARRANTY CLAIM FOR ANY OR ALL OF THE FOLLOWING REASONS:
1. Failure to follow all OEM recommendations for warranty coverage, including lubricants, maintenance, and drain intervals, prior
to the first installation of AMSOIL lubricants.


Not a lawyer, but I've been asked why don't I become one Big Grin

The way I read it, and this is just the way I read it, the words in red are the key. You fail to follow any of the OEM recommendations for warranty coverage, and you screwed yourself.

Why? because the OEM recco's are for the length of the warranty.



All the words are the key.

You must have missed the first sentence of the AMSOIL warranty: AMSOIL INC. of Superior, Wisconsin hereby warrants that its lubricants are fit for use according to the written recommendations of AMSOIL INC. and in applications specifying one or more of the standards set forth in the product data bulletins and product labels.

As far as warranty coverage, this is what GM says:

“The New Vehicle Warranty would not be void simply because an owner failed to use proper engine oils or did not perform maintenance at the prescribed intervals. Warranty applicability is contingent upon the cause of failure.”
Service Policies and Procedures Department,
General Motors Corporation “
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
Not an issue with me, but for some who believe they can run an OCI 5 times longer than a mfg suggests it can be a big problem. Got to love those disclaimers.

AD


I do have Amsoil on my favorites list though. It is a nice site.

Looking up my car, a 2004 BMW Z4 3.0i, I get this:

All TEMPS......5W-30
Manual Transmission,Yellow Label......GLS [2]
No AMSOIL Product Recommendation
Automatic Transmission,5HP-19......AE
Synthetic Universal Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATFQT)
Standard Differential, Rear......GLS [3]
All TEMPS......
SEVERE GEAR 75W-90 Synthetic EP Lubricant (SVGQT)
Limited Slip Differential, Rear......GLS [4]
All TEMPS......
SEVERE GEAR 75W-140 Synthetic EP Lubricant (SVOQT)

[1] Use oil formulated to meet BMW part No 07 51 0 017 866 or
equivalent.
[2] MTF-LT-1, BMW part no. 83 22 9 408 942 from
model year 2004 some manual transmissions are filled with
MTF-LT-2 which has the same properties as MTF-LT-1.
The MTF-LT-1 fluid may be mixed and or substituted for the
MTF-LT-2 manual transmission fluid, except SMG Transmission
in 2006 and later M3, M5, M6. 2006 and
later Z4 M Coupe/Roadster Require MTF-LT-2 fluid
[3] BMW part no. 83 22 9 407 768 or SAF-XO, or equivalent
[4] BMW part no. 83 22 1 470 080 or SAF-XJ, or equivalent

There's more too it, but I'll stick with the motor oil.

In all temps, it says 5w30. Which is fine, as the FF is a 5w30.

But, for warranty needs, that isn't enough.

It has to be on the approved oil list. And it is not.

To be on that list, it has to be API rated, IIRC, SL or better. I don't know if it is or not.

It has to be ACEA A3/B3. And none of them are.

It also has to be LL-01. And again, none of them are.

This is where the burden of proof comes in when the case comes before the judge, (me).

Do I think oils auch as Amsoil or Redline are bad? No. A great many people use both, and are quite happy with them.

But neither one meets the standards I set, so I will not use them.
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Originally posted by Tim Vipond:
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Originally posted by Big Bear:


When Bill In Utah calls you out and slams you, then you are doing something wrong. JMO
He called me out and slammed me after I was put on "read only". What a brave man! Roll Eyes Don't you think that is wrong?

Wow, you read ALL 1049 of my posts? I'm impressed and flattered. I hope they were worth your time. I'm surprised you still ask me AMSOIL questions after that. I think I covered pretty much everything up until that time.


Tim, I think you should have been allowed to debate Bill, but in that thread where the OP's valvetrain was gunked up it was not because of the oil, a member who is a mechanic jumped in and said it was a PCV Issue.

If I was the OP in that thread and read your post where you basically said if he had been using Amsoil this would not have happened, its like you are Monday Morning Quarterbacking.

I asked my Amsoil rep why he is not on these kind of forums, he said he is to busy dropping Amsoil products off to his clients or going to see them for what Amsoil Products they want.

I asked him then why is this Amsoil Dealer on this board all of the time, he said becuase he probably does not have anything else to do, no customers to sell any Amsoil Product too, so he is on the Net trying to get some business.
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AMSOIL is just saying they are not responsible for the previously used lubricants, maintenance and drain intervals before AMSOIL, should those be found to cause the failure. After the installation of AMSOIL's products, you are warranted by AMSOIL's service recommendations.


You mention in another post "all the words are key". I was told I should have gone to law school too.

Some key words.

Amsoil is not responsible for previously used lubricants. A nice back door out if you ask me. If I used M1 for the first 10,000 miles and the engine fails at 25K with Amsoil [15,000 miles into a SSO 35,000 OCI] they could easily say the failure was because of the oil used prior.

Lawyers write guarantees and contracts for a reason, the reason is to protect the company. Law is complex, and expensive. A blown engine is not cheap, and no company is going to lay down admit their product was to blame and fork over the green backs w/o a fight. Using an approved fluid for the recommended OCI cuts down on the risk.

AD
I think AD has made some good points, we all agree to a certain extent that Amsoil Motor Oil's are ok in protecting an engine.

If you really read Amsoil's Warranty very carefully, and I mean its a good idea to read over it a few times, there are many loopholes and it seems if Amsoil is the cause of the problem they are going to do a detailed investigation, and not just make a few phone calls and everything is taken care of.

Tim is making this whole Amsoil Warranty Process look very easy, and that is just not the case, my Amsoil rep just sells me what I want, he has never pushed doing extended drains on my cars.

That Amsoil Warranty is written to protect Amsoil, and it is not written to protect the person that buys there oil.

Again, everyone participating in this thread, read over the warranty a few times and what I and AD have said makes sense.
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Originally posted by Big Bear:

I asked my Amsoil rep why he is not on these kind of forums, he said he is to busy dropping Amsoil products off to his clients or going to see them for what Amsoil Products they want.
The top AMSOIL dealers do not drop off products at their clients. It is too costly and time consuming. I ship direct from the nearest AMSOIL warehouse by UPS or Fedx. Saves everyone time and money. My clients are welcome to call me anytime for question and orders. Most direct order themselves directly with AMSOIL. I try to call most of them every month or 2, but I just have too many to call all of them.

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Originally posted by Big Bear:I asked him then why is this Amsoil Dealer on this board all of the time, he said becuase he probably does not have anything else to do, no customers to sell any Amsoil Product too, so he is on the Net trying to get some business.
I am here to help members with their oil questions and to learn. I have over 370 clients, signed another one today who called on me, and am well within the top 1% in AMSOIL sales and did that in only 6 years. AMSOIL has been around 38 years. My business is very efficient and I have lots of spare time. We travel 4 or 5 months out of the year, but do to me taking cancer chemotherapy since November, we are limited to only 1 week trips.
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
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AMSOIL is just saying they are not responsible for the previously used lubricants, maintenance and drain intervals before AMSOIL, should those be found to cause the failure. After the installation of AMSOIL's products, you are warranted by AMSOIL's service recommendations.


You mention in another post "all the words are key". I was told I should have gone to law school too.

Some key words.

Amsoil is not responsible for previously used lubricants. A nice back door out if you ask me. If I used M1 for the first 10,000 miles and the engine fails at 25K with Amsoil [15,000 miles into a SSO 35,000 OCI] they could easily say the failure was because of the oil used prior.
Not quite. AMSOIL would have to prove it.

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Originally posted by ADFD1:Lawyers write guarantees and contracts for a reason, the reason is to protect the company. Law is complex, and expensive. A blown engine is not cheap, and no company is going to lay down admit their product was to blame and fork over the green backs w/o a fight. Using an approved fluid for the recommended OCI cuts down on the risk.
Please show where any customer, consumer group or government agency has an issue with AMSOIL's warranty. AMSOIL would not be the American success story they are today, if their products did not perform as advertised for 38 years.
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Originally posted by Tim Vipond:
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
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AMSOIL is just saying they are not responsible for the previously used lubricants, maintenance and drain intervals before AMSOIL, should those be found to cause the failure. After the installation of AMSOIL's products, you are warranted by AMSOIL's service recommendations.


You mention in another post "all the words are key". I was told I should have gone to law school too.

Some key words.

Amsoil is not responsible for previously used lubricants. A nice back door out if you ask me. If I used M1 for the first 10,000 miles and the engine fails at 25K with Amsoil [15,000 miles into a SSO 35,000 OCI] they could easily say the failure was because of the oil used prior.
Not quite. AMSOIL would have to prove it.



Owner says Amsoil was to blame, Amsoil says previous oil, and owner are to blame. Car sits waiting for the legal system to sort it out. The vehicle sits and goes nowhere. All because someone decided not to follow the OM, or was given bad advise.

AD
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
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Originally posted by Tim Vipond:
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
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AMSOIL is just saying they are not responsible for the previously used lubricants, maintenance and drain intervals before AMSOIL, should those be found to cause the failure. After the installation of AMSOIL's products, you are warranted by AMSOIL's service recommendations.


You mention in another post "all the words are key". I was told I should have gone to law school too.

Some key words.

Amsoil is not responsible for previously used lubricants. A nice back door out if you ask me. If I used M1 for the first 10,000 miles and the engine fails at 25K with Amsoil [15,000 miles into a SSO 35,000 OCI] they could easily say the failure was because of the oil used prior.
Not quite. AMSOIL would have to prove it.



Owner says Amsoil was to blame, Amsoil says previous oil, and owner are to blame. Car sits waiting for the legal system to sort it out. The vehicle sits and goes nowhere. All because someone decided not to follow the OM, or was given bad advise.

AD
Not quite. AMSOIL would have to prove the previous oil was to blame. Please show where the legal system was ever involved with an AMSOIL warranty claim. Please show where the vehicle has sat and gone nowhere. You have yet to provide any proof of any of your statements.
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Originally posted by Trajan:
It's a hypothetical scenario based on what's been said Tim.
He is making up a situation and making up an outcome with no proof of anything remotely similar ever happening before in a feeble attempt to discredit AMSOIL. I'm just saying I've never seen any proof of that ever happening in 38 years. Surely someone would have found a similar situation and reported it. I have always found AMSOIL to be a very reputable company and no one seems to have proof otherwise. Al Amatuzio, who started AMSOIL, was an American Jet Squadron leader, and still goes to work every day even though he is in his 80's. He has worked to hard and I've always found the company very honest and supports its customers. I've never seen any situation where he was looking to get out of a payment over a tiny technicality. He has invested his life into making synthetic fluids available to the automobile and I don't see him throwing it away over something trivial.
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Originally posted by Tim Vipond:
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Originally posted by Trajan:
It's a hypothetical scenario based on what's been said Tim.
He is making up a situation and making up an outcome


That is what a hypothetical scenario is. Or a worst case scenario if you like.

I think, and maybe I'm wrong, that it's the blanket statements made in Amsoil's favor.

Forget Amsoil. It's been posted in at least one other thread how they get turned into Amsoil sales pitches. And no one wants that. So forget the product for now.

The question is, What oil would you recommend that Nucleardawg use in his cars. Something other than Amsoil.

You're not going to change AD's mind. Certainly not mine. and you can bet that Nuc isn't going to change his mind either.

Like it or not, the easiest, smartest thing, is to follow the mfg warranty.
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Originally posted by Trajan:

The question is, What oil would you recommend that Nucleardawg use in his cars. Something other than Amsoil.


I would carefully read the owners manual and look for oils that list the recommendations that the owners manual would list. Since those vehicles are older and the manufacturer might have changed oil recommendations, I'd call the manufacturer and see what the latest specifications they list.

That info is also available at https://www.amsoil.com/mygarag...okup.aspx?zo=1181889 .

Of those, I'd pick the one that performs the best in undisputed independent comparison testing. Since AMSOIL is the only company that does that, I'd suggest looking at how some of the most popular oils compare at https://www.amsoil.com/lit/g1971.pdf?zo=1181889 and pick the one who tested best in the tests I consider important.

I would then contact the oil company for their recommendation, suggested oil change intervals and warranty information.

If Mobil 1 EP is available with those specs listed, it would likely be my brand of choice. It seems to come in second place after AMSOIL more often than not in the undisputed independent test data that AMSOIL publishes, was the second company to come out with an oil meeting API specs after AMSOIL, uses very similar base oils to AMSOIL since they both often purchase from the same chemical company, and has the second best warranty after AMSOIL in the business. And has the option of warranted extended oil change intervals if you meet the requirements they list for up to 15,000 normal service miles/1 year which ever comes first, which is the second longest extended oil change interval after AMSOIL.


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Originally posted by Trajan:Like it or not, the easiest, smartest thing, is to follow the mfg warranty.
This retired oil company scientist and current rocket fuel catalyst consultant still thinks the easiest, smartest thing to do is to use AMSOIL and their recommended extended oil change intervals to save time, money and for less impact on the environment and still meets the mfg warranty requirements. AMSOIL outperforms all other oils in undisputed independent ASTM testing and proven longer than any other company for 38 years.
Tim Vipond
Male , 55 , Sugar Land, TX (near Houston)




Current profession:Retail Seller
Past professions:Biologist, Chemist, Laboratory Technician, Zoologist
Website:Tim Vipond


Tim, can you tell us how long you have been an Amsoil Dealer, it seems you have had some other professions.

I am just wondering how being a Biologist and Zoologist gives you any qualifications to give us advice about motor oil's. Were you ever a mechanic and have you taken an engine apart.
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Originally posted by Tim Vipond:
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Originally posted by Trajan:

The question is, What oil would you recommend that Nucleardawg use in his cars. Something other than Amsoil.


I would carefully read the owners manual and look for oils that list the recommendations that the owners manual would list. Since those vehicles are older and the manufacturer might have changed oil recommendations, I'd call the manufacturer and see what the latest specifications they list.

That info is also available at https://www.amsoil.com/mygarag...okup.aspx?zo=1181889 .
.


Sigh.....

I'll repeat the question. What oils would you recommend for Nuc's cars. Other than Amsoil.

Let's pick one. His 1996 Mustang GT.

1996 FORD MUSTANG 4.6L 8-cyl Engine Code [X]
LUBRICANTS & FLUIDS:

Engine Oil
Grade 1......API*
Signature Series 0W-30 100% Synthetic Motor Oil (SSOQT)
SAE 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil (ASLQT)
100% Synthetic 0W-20 Motor Oil (ASMQT)
XL 5W-20 Synthetic Motor Oil (XLMQT)

Do those look like oils other than Amsoil?????????????????????????????????????????

Read the question again and get back to me.

You're 38 year Amsoil mantra is wearing thin. You sound just like Col Klink with his "Never been a successful escape from Stalag 13" one.

And like his CO, General Burkhalter says. "So you've told me....... And told me....... And......told me."
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Originally posted by Big Bear:
Tim Vipond
Male , 55 , Sugar Land, TX (near Houston)




Current profession:Retail Seller
Past professions:Biologist, Chemist, Laboratory Technician, Zoologist
Website:Tim Vipond


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Originally posted by Big Bear:Tim, can you tell us how long you have been an Amsoil Dealer, it seems you have had some other professions.
Six years as an AMSOIL Dealer, 28 years with Shell Oil.

I am just wondering how being a Biologist and Zoologist gives you any qualifications to give us advice about motor oil's. Were you ever a mechanic and have you taken an engine apart.
Being a biologist and zoologist and doing oil testing and remediation of soil and water contamination gave me insight into the importance of reducing the environmental impact of producing, shipping and disposal of motor oil. I do perform all routine maintenance and basic repairs on all my vehicles. I have never had an engine problem with AMSOIL and never needed to take an engine apart. However, hundreds of my customers have and likely the reason they use and recommend AMSOIL.
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Originally posted by Trajan:

Sigh.....

I'll repeat the question. What oils would you recommend for Nuc's cars. Other than Amsoil.

Let's pick one. His 1996 Mustang GT.

1996 FORD MUSTANG 4.6L 8-cyl Engine Code [X]
LUBRICANTS & FLUIDS:

Engine Oil
Grade 1......API*
Signature Series 0W-30 100% Synthetic Motor Oil (SSOQT)
SAE 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil (ASLQT)
100% Synthetic 0W-20 Motor Oil (ASMQT)
XL 5W-20 Synthetic Motor Oil (XLMQT)

Do those look like oils other than Amsoil?????????????????????????????????????????

Read the question again and get back to me.
You seem to have caught me during the middle of an edit while I was gathering data and not my final post. I answered your question a few posts ago.
So, you have been an Amsoil Dealer for 6 years, my Amsoil Dealer has been doing it for 24 years, so I am going to have to follow his advice, I saw nothing on your website that listed any of your qualifications, it seems like everything you are doing in this thread comes across as a sales pitch, becuase if business were really good for you, then you would not be on this site.
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Originally posted by Big Bear:
So, you have been an Amsoil Dealer for 6 years, my Amsoil Dealer has been doing it for 24 years, so I am going to have to follow his advice, I saw nothing on your website that listed any of your qualifications, it seems like everything you are doing in this thread comes across as a sales pitch, becuase if business were really good for you, then you would not be on this site.
I am limited by space in my website. I will consider adding my qualifications. I have over 370 accounts. Mostly fleets, retail stores and repair shops. I am in the upper 1% of AMSOIL dealers in sales. I am also a degreed and retired Shell Oil company chemist.

Many dealers have been in business much longer than I and don't have a single customer. If you give me his name, phone number or dealer number, I can look him up and see how successful his AMSOIL business is and if he has a lot of customers and sales. This would give an indication of his level of expertise in AMSOIL. If you look at the majority of my posts, I am answering questions people ask of me. Isn't that what this forum is for? To seek and give help?

Again, my business is very successful. In the top 1%. The way I have it set up just doesn't require much time. It is mostly reorders that my customers prefer to take care of themselves. They don't have problems. I feel like the Maytag repairman sometimes. We normally travel for months at a time, but I've had to take chemotherapy for cancer and am home more and have more free time.
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Originally posted by Trajan:
Ask a simple question, and I get pointed to the Amsoil site. Which, color me surprised, recommends Amsoil oil.....

It's like talking to synlubbers............

"Oh, the only oil you'll even need is our non rated, inconsistent, 5w-?? oil."


Tim has now turned Amsoil into Synlube, just put the stuff in and forget about it, if you have a problem Amsoil will shell out the bucks to fix your engine.

Remember when Synlube said every other oil was no good, I am seeing the same thing here with Tim, all other oil's are not as good as Amsoil, he's an Amsoil Salesman, saying anything to sell Amsoil Motor Oil.

Tim also sounds like auto-rx, they jumped into every other oil additive thread to cause doubt and confusion, they would also say anything to sell there product.
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Originally posted by Trajan:
Ask a simple question, and I get pointed to the Amsoil site. Which, color me surprised, recommends Amsoil oil.....

It's like talking to synlubbers............

"Oh, the only oil you'll even need is our non rated, inconsistent, 5w-?? oil."


LOL...... Another shameless Amsoil plug. Truth is a lot of people won't use the product because of threads like this one, where a resident Amsoil rep is there to sell and protect the product. Same can be said for a few other products.

Tim took his cheap shots at Red Line, and a few at Mobil 1 5W30, and the Valvoline deal. Some people might be under the impression you can pour Amsoil into a new car, and drive it for 35,000 miles w/o changing, if you drive under "normal conditions". That IMO is bad advise, and I would ask anyone with a new car to ask their dealer service writer if that would be OK to do. I know in the NY area they'd laugh you out the door. I haven't asked in WA yet, but would expect similar results.

Maybe someone here can ask their dealer next time they have their new car in for service, and let us know. Ask something like, "I read on the internet about Amsoil, and they said if I drive under normal conditions and use SSO 0W30 I can change my oil every year or 35,000 miles". "What do you think Mr. Service writer?" "Is there any downside for me if I have an oil related problem?" Post the answers here. Maybe in other parts of the US they'll say sure drive 35,000 miles and follow Amsoils advice no problem". I have my doubts. If there is a member here who is a service writer or knows one maybe they can respond here. This could put a lot of this to rest once and for all.

No one from Red Line or Mobil came in ready to rumble when Tim commented negatively about them. But if anything is said negative about Amsoil look out! Those unspoken words are the ones that really have meaning. I bet Amsoil does a lot of business with XOM too.

A true first rate product doesn't need to be defended, or constantly pushed down peoples throats.

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Originally posted by Trajan:
Ask a simple question, and I get pointed to the Amsoil site.
AMSOIL has a very impressive website. Over 7,000 pages of technical information. I have probably read most of them and can easily find information when I need it. I wish the other oil companies had that much information, it would be easier to compare their products to AMSOIL. Maybe that is why they don't?
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Originally posted by Tim Vipond:
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Originally posted by Big Bear:
So, you have been an Amsoil Dealer for 6 years, my Amsoil Dealer has been doing it for 24 years, so I am going to have to follow his advice, I saw nothing on your website that listed any of your qualifications, it seems like everything you are doing in this thread comes across as a sales pitch, becuase if business were really good for you, then you would not be on this site.
I am limited by space in my website. I will consider adding my qualifications. I have over 370 accounts. Mostly fleets, retail stores and repair shops. I am in the upper 1% of AMSOIL dealers in sales. I am also a degreed and retired Shell Oil company chemist.

Many dealers have been in business much longer than I and don't have a single customer. If you give me his name, phone number or dealer number, I can look him up and see how successful his AMSOIL business is and if he has a lot of customers and sales. This would give an indication of his level of expertise in AMSOIL. If you look at the majority of my posts, I am answering questions people ask of me. Isn't that what this forum is for? To seek and give help?

Again, my business is very successful. In the top 1%. The way I have it set up just doesn't require much time. It is mostly reorders that my customers prefer to take care of themselves. They don't have problems. I feel like the Maytag repairman sometimes. We normally travel for months at a time, but I've had to take chemotherapy for cancer and am home more and have more free time.


I will talk with my Amsoil Dealer and see what he wants to do, he lives on an acre of property and from my best estimate it looks like his house is worth about a million dollars, so I think he is doing ok as an Amsoil Salesman. I remember asking him how he got his lawn to look so fantastic, seems Amsoil sells some type of fertilizer, and he told me it better look good since he spends about $1000.00 a year on fertilizer, he has a 2 car garage filled with Amsoil Products and his office is upstairs.

He is on the road alot, maybe he is visiting his clients, but I know it is Amsoil Business related.

Your a retired Shell Oil Company chemist selling Amsoil, where's your loyalty towards Shell, if you believed in Amsoil so much, why didn't you jump ship and become a chemist for Amsoil.
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