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Originally posted by ADFD1:

Tim took his cheap shots at Red Line, and a few at Mobil 1 5W30, and the Valvoline deal.
What cheap shots? All facts as far as I know. Care to prove otherwise?

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Originally posted by ADFD1: Some people might be under the impression you can pour Amsoil into a new car, and drive it for 35,000 miles w/o changing, if you drive under "normal conditions".
Many do and are covered by both the manufacturers and AMSOIL's warranty. No problems. The 3500 Texas State Police go 20,000 miles "Severe Service" oil change intervals with no problems for the past 10 years, better than advertised.

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Originally posted by ADFD1:Maybe someone here can ask their dealer next time they have their car in for service, and let us know. Ask something like, "I read on the internet about Amsoil, and they said if I drive under normal conditions and use SSO 0W30 I can change my oil every year or 35,000 miles". "What do you think Mr. Service writer?" "Is there any downside for me if I have an oil related problem?" Post the answers here. Maybe in other parts of the US they'll say sure drive 35,000 miles and follow Amsoils advice no problem". I have my doubts. If there is a member here who is a service writer or knows one maybe they can respond here. This could put a lot of this to rest once and for all.
Please do. And include their name, the owners name, name and address of the business. AMSOIL would like to send them something regarding the law.

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Originally posted by ADFD1:No one from Red Line or Mobil came in ready to rumble when Tim commented negatively about them.
Maybe because I never commented negatively about them, just stated undisputed facts.
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Originally posted by ADFD1:A true first rate product doesn't need to be defended, or constantly pushed down peoples throats.
Exactly. Quality and reputation sells. That is why AMSOIL has had record sales and increased market share, while the motor oil business as a whole was down 20% last year.
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion

It sure seems like Tim is trolling, since he is an Amsoil Salesman jumping into a thread about Redline.
quote:
Originally posted by Big Bear:

Your a retired Shell Oil Company chemist selling Amsoil, where's your loyalty towards Shell, if you believed in Amsoil so much, why didn't you jump ship and become a chemist for Amsoil.
I have a lot of loyalty towards Shell. They make the best gasoline on the market and is the only one I purchase if possible. And in my new 37 foot motorhome, sports car, motorcycle and minivan I buy a lot of gas with my Shell credit card. I didn't become an AMSOIL dealer or use much of their products until I retired from Shell. Also, if I had "jumped ship" I would not be getting my Shell pension and health benefits and enjoying early retirement since age 49. And I am likely making more money as a successful AMSOIL Direct Jobber than I would as an AMSOIL chemist. And I'm just at the tip of the iceberg, and building a business that can be passed on to my wife and son after I am gone.
quote:
Originally posted by Big Bear:

I will talk with my Amsoil Dealer and see what he wants to do, he lives on an acre of property and from my best estimate it looks like his house is worth about a million dollars, so I think he is doing ok as an Amsoil Salesman. I remember asking him how he got his lawn to look so fantastic, seems Amsoil sells some type of fertilizer, and he told me it better look good since he spends about $1000.00 a year on fertilizer, he has a 2 car garage filled with Amsoil Products and his office is upstairs.
I am not surprised. Successful AMSOIL dealers make a lot of money, and anyone can do it.
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Originally posted by Tim Vipond:
quote:
Originally posted by Big Bear:

Your a retired Shell Oil Company chemist selling Amsoil, where's your loyalty towards Shell, if you believed in Amsoil so much, why didn't you jump ship and become a chemist for Amsoil.
I have a lot of loyalty towards Shell. They make the best gasoline on the market and is the only one I purchase if possible. And in my new 37 foot motorhome, sports car, motorcycle and minivan I buy a lot of gas with my Shell credit card. I didn't become an AMSOIL dealer or use much of their products until I retired from Shell. Also, if I had "jumped ship" I would not be getting my Shell pension and health benefits and enjoying early retirement since age 49. And I am likely making more money as a successful AMSOIL Direct Jobber than I would as an AMSOIL chemist. And I'm just at the tip of the iceberg, and building a business that can be passed on to my wife and son after I am gone.


Tim, I really doubt anyone reading your posts here is going to buy Amsoil products from you, they would probably give Pablo a call and buy from him instead.
quote:
Originally posted by Big Bear:
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion

It sure seems like Tim is trolling, since he is an Amsoil Salesman jumping into a thread about Redline.
Let's see. I'm not inflammatory, not extraneous, nor off topic. My primary intent is answering questions that members ask of me. And I didn't get into this thread until AMSOIL was mentioned 7 times in 4 previous posts.
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Originally posted by Tim Vipond:
quote:
Originally posted by Big Bear:
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion

It sure seems like Tim is trolling, since he is an Amsoil Salesman jumping into a thread about Redline.
Let's see. I'm not inflammatory, not extraneous, nor off topic. My primary intent is answering questions that members ask of me. And I didn't get into this thread until AMSOIL was mentioned in 4 previous posts.


Nobody was asking any questions, they were just giving there opinions on Redline and Amsoil, can you show me a post in the 1st page of this thread where anyone asked a question about Amsoil, you are doing the same thing here on Noria like you did on Bitog, that's why you are no longer posting there.
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Originally posted by Nucleardawg:
For the vehicles in my family I feel I have a proven winner in Redline.

1) 96 Mustang GT
2) 99 Mustang Cobra
3) 86 Corvette
4) 75 Corvette

I also have the 87 Ranger, and my sons's 91 Bronco...These will continue to see whats on sale.

In the 4 listed vehicles I was using Mobil 1 and Mobil EP at the end.. Great oil's on their own, but I always seemed to suffer from burnoff and had to top off.

I also noticed what others have always mentioned, a noisier engine. I have never done a UOA to follow any possible wear patter. Like I mentioned great performing oils but the 2 issues always stuck out at me.

I will stick with the 10W-30, but am considering the 5W-40 flavor for the 75. The HTHS on that oil is 4.6. The viscosity at 100 Deg. C is a whopping 15.1, pour point of -49F. For this 35 y/o Chevy I thinks those are good numbers. Perhaps even add 1 qt. of the 40W redline race oil for an extra dose of moly and zinc.

Since switching over to Redline I no longer suffer from burnoff like I did with Mobil 1, at the most maybe a 1/2 qt per 6k...Maybe...

If anybody has any suggestions or comments I am open to listening to them...Thanks.


Tim, this is what this thread was supposed to be about, have you used any Redline products.

I have used there motor oil for a few OCI's back in the day, I have also used there Fuel Injection Cleaner and there trans fluid. It does not sound like the OP wants to here from an Amsoil Salesman, so therefor, you are TROLLING.
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Originally posted by Tim Vipond:
quote:
Originally posted by Big Bear:

Nobody was asking any questions, they were just giving there opinions on Redline and Amsoil, can you show me a post in the 1st page of this thread where anyone asked a question about Amsoil
Incorrect information on AMSOIL began on page 1, and questions directed to me on page 2-13.


A member named AD goes on a rant about the way Amsoil does business, if anyone has questions about Amsoil they can visit the Amsoil Website and not listen to some guy like you with only 6 years of experience selling Amsoil, you are not an expert on there products, everyone else posting in this thread has as much knowledge about Amsoil products as you do and a few of us have more knowledge than you do about Amsoil products.

AD is entitled to his opinion about Amsoil, and I am sorry to say that you have not changed anyones opinion about Amsoil, you have actually made it worse, do you see any other Amsoil salesman in this thread.
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Originally posted by Big Bear:
quote:
Originally posted by Nucleardawg:


If anybody has any suggestions or comments I am open to listening to them...Thanks.


Tim, this is what this thread was supposed to be about, have you used any Redline products.

I have used there motor oil for a few OCI's back in the day, I have also used there Fuel Injection Cleaner and there trans fluid. It does not sound like the OP wants to here from an Amsoil Salesman, so therefor, you are TROLLING.


I provided information on Red Line and asked a question on Red Line in my first post. I didn't bring up AMSOIL until others did 7 times in 4 posts.

I have never used Red Line products. I've never seen them for sale in any store anywhere except some gear oil in a Harley shop.

Actually the OP asked me several questions beginning on page 5, so he did want to hear from me, so therefore I am not TROLLING.
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Originally posted by Tim Vipond:
quote:
Originally posted by Nucleardawg:

I have a 01 Honda Shadow Sabre 1100. It is due for an oil change, the Amsoil product is available locally at a few dealerships...I will also look into the Redline offering as well. May have to see if any data is available, to compare the two...Will look for any VOA/UOA's to compare as well.
Here is a comparison of AMSOIL 10w30 motorcycle oil and Redline 10w30 motorcycle oil: https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/mct.aspx?zo=1181889 . I believe your bike specs a 10W40 JASO MA oil. My main concern with the Red Line motorcycle oils is that it only lists JASO MB, which is a lower wet clutch friction standard than the JASO MA you manual likely lists. This could cause clutch slippage. To learn more about JASO and other motorcycle oil testing: https://www.amsoil.com/lit/g2156.pdf .


He is not personally asking you a question, give me a break.
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Originally posted by Big Bear:

A member named AD goes on a rant about the way Amsoil does business, if anyone has questions about Amsoil they can visit the Amsoil Website and not listen to some guy like you with only 6 years of experience selling Amsoil, you are not an expert on there products, everyone else posting in this thread has as much knowledge about Amsoil products as you do and a few of us have more knowledge than you do about Amsoil products.
Interesting. Then why has nearly everyone asked me questions about AMSOIL if they all know as much or more than I do?
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Originally posted by Big Bear:
quote:
Originally posted by Tim Vipond:
quote:
Originally posted by Nucleardawg:

I have a 01 Honda Shadow Sabre 1100. It is due for an oil change, the Amsoil product is available locally at a few dealerships...I will also look into the Redline offering as well. May have to see if any data is available, to compare the two...Will look for any VOA/UOA's to compare as well.
Here is a comparison of AMSOIL 10w30 motorcycle oil and Redline 10w30 motorcycle oil: https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/mct.aspx?zo=1181889 . I believe your bike specs a 10W40 JASO MA oil. My main concern with the Red Line motorcycle oils is that it only lists JASO MB, which is a lower wet clutch friction standard than the JASO MA you manual likely lists. This could cause clutch slippage. To learn more about JASO and other motorcycle oil testing: https://www.amsoil.com/lit/g2156.pdf .


He is not personally asking you a question, give me a break.
I never said it was that post. It was this one.
Nucleardawg
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Posted Fri May 21 2010 12:30 AM Hide Post
Tim,

So is their any documentation you can post here from Amsoil, that shows how many engines Amsoil covers, repairs/replaces under their warranty every year?
This is never far from my mind:

http://www.europeancarweb.com/..._car_oils/index.html

The phrase "meets or exceeds" can be a misnomer. At first glance the word "exceeds" makes you think that it is better than "approved." Keep in mind that unlike standard oil industry approvals, where an oil can get a grade by being within a range of criteria, OEM-approved oils use a set of standards that have been tested on your vehicle and been proven to work. I would be surprised if a company that uses the term "exceeds" spent the money to have an OEM test its oil only to receive a letter that says, "We're sorry but your product is too good, we can't offer you approval." The same thing holds true with the use of the term "meets." Since the other oil companies don't spend the time and money to have the OEM, how would they know it meets the requirement? Plus, if it did really meet the requirement then it would be an approved oil.

If you don't understand why I would put more value in what the auto maker says over Amsoil or Redline, or especially, synlube, read the link.

If you already understand, ehhhh, read it anyway Smile

Like I've said before, when it comes to my engine, I am the judge. And there is no appeal to my verdict if you fail to meet the burden of proof.
Nice read Trajan. Seems what I've said a dozen times and Tim countered with he'd explain the law to the dealer and lines like that. This guy seems to agree with me. I'm not the only person talking about the warranty being voided. Maybe Tim should contact the author of this article and explain the law to him too.

Anyone who didn't pay for the approval can claim anything they want. The only proof it meets approval is the stamp of approval, pretty basic, something Amsoil doesn't want to pay for.

So I thought I'd paste, he worded it better than I did, although very similar indeed. He lists companies with "approved oils" too, even small compaines. They felt getting the approval was a good idea, smart, and safe for their customers.

OE Approved Car Oils -The Slick Truth
When it comes down to it, it's your car and you can do whatever you want, just don't be surprised when something fails and the dealer voids your warranty. These oil approvals are like octane ratings: If your gas door says to use 91-octane or higher, there is a reason why the manufacturer spent the time and money to put that sticker there. It's against the law for a car manufacturer to mandate that you use only their approved products, charge outrageous prices, and prevent other manufacturers from seeking approvals. All car manufacturers open the approval process up to any oil manufacturer who is willing to submit their product and pay for the test. Approved oils are inexpensive (as cheap as $4.99) and they are available almost everywhere. It is not illegal for them to say the use of non-approved oil can adversely affect your new vehicle warranty. Bottom line: To avoid a headache at the dealership when something fails, always use high-quality oil filters, approved oils, and always keep the receipts to show that you purchased an "approved" product. Keep in mind the dealer can run a simple test to determine if you were using approved oil or not.
Follow the warranty specs if you want the coverage. It really is that simple.

You know it, I know it. I got a lot of grief over at the other board for stating it.

Amsoil's been around 38 years. That's good. Ford's been around since 1903, and except for bad engine design, haven't had any oil related problems either that I've found.

So if one wants to say that Amsoil should get the nod because of the 38 years, then they're trumped by Ford's 107 years.

Octane...... Was at the dealer one day when a guy's warranty claim was denied for engine damage. Running 87 in a car that requires 93......
Amsoil has made as much a business out of generalization as they have making oil...basically what they do is buy a bunch of base stock and say a "lubrizol" and tell them to give us an additive package for a 5W-30 synthetic oil and then they blend it.
The additive doesn't pass the test-- the blended oil does... NOACK volitility test is a good indicator of the base stock's performance...not the additive package...and all Amsoil is getting is generic...not a good quality tried and true comprehensive package. So the NOACK arguement is pointless...another AMSoil trick.

There is a reason why every major high performance vehicle made worldwide uses Mobil 1 and not AMSoil...because Mobil 1 is better

There is no question that it costs lots of money to run a full program to qualify an oil..specs are specs...either you do the homework or you don't.

If I have spent $45,000 for a vehicle, I'm not putting an oil in the crankcase that might meet specs and might not...don't know cause they didn't run the tests..

would you buy tires if they didn't meet DOT standards? or milk if you weren't sure it wasn't free of bacteria...how about medicine to make sure it wouldn't kill you???

See...everything has to meet a standard...and you are rolling the dice...its just a matter of time before one person one time has a problem and then they will complain that no one told them....

So you go ahead and gamble with your $45,000 vehicle...yeah the one you make your living with or the one that carries your family....

bottom line is a mediocre synthetic such as amzoil will do not harm if you change it every 9000 miles..but you'll not get the extended drain capability (see what Amzoil looks like at 15,000 miles) or severe service protection you get from an oil that meets or exceeds API standards.
The next time you plagiarize someone elses post, perhaps you should give them credit?

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Originally posted by Big Bear:

There is a reason why every major high performance vehicle made worldwide uses Mobil 1 and not AMSoil
What major high performance vehicle made worldwide does not use AMSOIL? I have lots of customers whose high performance vehicles made world wide uses AMSOIL....
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Originally posted by Big Bear:because Mobil 1 is better.
Any proof? Every nondisputed independent ASTM testing I've seen all over the internet shows AMSOIL outperforms Mobil 1. If Mobil 1 is better, why don't they warranty their oil as long as AMSOIL?

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Originally posted by Big Bear:There is no question that it costs lots of money to run a full program to qualify an oil..specs are specs...either you do the homework or you don't. If I have spent $45,000 for a vehicle, I'm not putting an oil in the crankcase that might meet specs and might not...don't know cause they didn't run the tests..
When AMSOIL says they recommend an oil, they have already tested and passed the specs. Valvoline and BP showed Mobil 1 5w30 did not meet the API engine wear test specs. API showed that several API Certified oils did not pass the specs when API purchased them off the shelf and they failed. I don't recall any AMSOIL product that failed the specs.

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Originally posted by Big Bear: See...everything has to meet a standard...and you are rolling the dice...its just a matter of time before one person one time has a problem and then they will complain that no one told them....

So you go ahead and gamble with your $45,000 vehicle...yeah the one you make your living with or the one that carries your family....

bottom line is a mediocre synthetic such as amzoil will do not harm if you change it every 9000 miles..but you'll not get the extended drain capability (see what Amzoil looks like at 15,000 miles) or severe service protection you get from an oil that meets or exceeds API standards.
Please show where "Amzoil" is a mediocre oil and has ever failed and caused part failure. And of course, AMSOIL's lowest level synthetics are API Certified.
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
quote:
Originally posted by Trajan:
Octane...... Was at the dealer one day when a guy's warranty claim was denied for engine damage. Running 87 in a car that requires 93......


But why would they do that? After all if Ford specs the gas that must be used they should provide it for free. LOL

AD


It's even funnier than that. It was a two year old BMW M6.
Amsoil 5w30 ASL 9,421 miles 03 Jeep Liberty 3.7L
BigDenCCMD Offline


Registered: 03/11/05
Posts: 128
Loc: Maryland
I was hoping to go a year with this oil but based on TBN (2) I don't think I will. The oil was in 6 months. Not sure whether it is SM or earlier. Silicon was a little high; I've changed the air filter but Blackstone thought it wasn't bad considering mileage on oil.

MI/HR on Oil 9,421
MI/HR on Unit 72,421
Sample Date 9/29/2007
Make Up Oil Added 0 qts

ALUMINUM 5
CHROMIUM 1
IRON 24
COPPER 6
LEAD 0
TIN 0
MOLYBDENUM 67
NICKEL 3
MANGANESE 2
SILVER 0
TITANIUM 0
POTASSIUM 2
BORON 59
SILICON 26
SODIUM 12
CALCIUM 4604
MAGNESIUM 17
PHOSPHORUS 647
ZINC 795
BARIUM 0


SUS Viscosity @ 210°F 63.1
cSt Viscosity @ 100°C 11.1
Flashpoint in °F 410
Fuel % <0.5
Antifreeze % 0
Water % 0
Insolubles % 0.3
TBN 2
TAN
ISO Code

Not exactly a one year oil, seems this owner was concerned with the TBN Reading.
Not so near as great as my run with the 0w-30 for 10k last time:

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/...umber=918755&fpart=1

This run was taken using the recommended EaO filter for the full time frame. Hot sample, taken near the beginning of the drain. Mixed octanes on the fuel (higher octane in the hot months, lower octane in the cooler months). Some 20 passes at the the local dragstrip. The car was full qt low at the time of the sample, but I had not added any oil in the last month or so, knowing that I would be sending a sample of for analysis, and I did not want skewed results with fresh oil.

Having added 2 qts in this 15k mile UOA + the 1 qt I was low makes for 3 qts burned in this interval. 5k miles per qt, that is better than the 4k miles per qt I got on the 0w-30... though Blackstone definately liked the 10k results on the thinner oil A LOT better.

I put more 5w-30 in after the sending the sample off. I bought a couple of strong magnets from the Homo Depot and put them on the side of the filter. The drain plug from the factory is not magnetized, so maybe the magnets will help lower my iron count for next time.

Also, I am debating a filter change at 7500 miles, but not sure that that would help given my insoluables level was still within reason.

Guys, I value your comments, this world is very new to me, and I still don't feel real comfortable recommending a 15k mile oil drain on this oil.

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BLAKE: We think now is the time to change this fill of 5W/30. Iron, copper, and lead all increased, which shows excess wear at the bearings. The increased wear is likely due to the longer oil run but we think 15,541 miles may be too many for your 5.3L.
Universal averages are based on an oil run of just 5,600 miles. No harmful contaminants were found and the viscosity read normally. It was just slightly higher than we found the last time.
The TBN read 2.2 so there wasn't much active additive remaining. 1.0 is low. Check back in 10,000 miles to monitor.

CRESSON, TX 76035
EQUIPMENT MAKE:...GM
EQUIPMENT MODEL:..5.3L 327 CI V-8
FUEL TYPE:.........Gasoline (Unleaded)
CODE:..............GXP
ADDITIONAL INFO:...LS4

REPORT DATE:.......1/7/08
NAME:..............BLAKE MOORE
E-MAIL:............blakeinspace@xxxxx.com

OIL USE INTERVAL : 15,541 Miles
OIL TYPE & GRADE: Amsoil 5W/30
MAKE-UP OIL ADDED: 2 qts

OIL REPORT

MI/HR ON OIL :.....15,541
MI/HR ON UNIT:.....38,569
SAMPLE DATE:.......12/23/07

*PARTS PER MILLION* / UNIVERSAL AVERAGES / 10k sample of 0w-30
ALUMINUM........3...............4...............3
CHROMIUM........1...............1...............1
IRON............51..............22..............19
COPPER..........78..............59..............65
LEAD............18..............9...............11
TIN.............1...............1...............2
MOLYBDENUM......52..............53..............14
NICKEL..........1...............1...............1
MANGANESE.......2...............2...............2
SILVER..........0...............0...............0
TITANIUM........0...............0...............0
POTASSIUM.......2...............1...............4
BORON...........34..............56..............9
SILICON.........18..............25..............14
SODIUM..........9...............10..............9
CALCIUM.........3229............1762............2877
MAGNESIUM.......12..............338.............13
PHOSPHORUS......661.............770.............697
ZINC............828.............932.............787
BARIUM..........0...............0...............0

TEST.....VALUES SHOULD BE.......TESTED VALUES WERE
WATER %.............<0.1................0.0

ANTIFREEZE %..........0.................0.0

FUEL %..............<2.0...............<0.5

FLASHPOINT INºF.....>365................420

SUS VISCOSITY@210ºF: 56-63.............62.4

cSt Viscosity @ 100°C: 10.90...........10.41
INSOLUBLES %........<0.6................0.3



http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/...umber=1094295&page=1
quote:
Originally posted by Big Bear:
Amsoil 5w30 ASL 9,421 miles 03 Jeep Liberty 3.7L
BigDenCCMD Offline


Registered: 03/11/05
Posts: 128
Loc: Maryland
I was hoping to go a year with this oil but based on TBN (2) I don't think I will. The oil was in 6 months. Not sure whether it is SM or earlier. Silicon was a little high; I've changed the air filter but Blackstone thought it wasn't bad considering mileage on oil.

MI/HR on Oil 9,421
MI/HR on Unit 72,421
Sample Date 9/29/2007
Make Up Oil Added 0 qts

ALUMINUM 5
CHROMIUM 1
IRON 24
COPPER 6
LEAD 0
TIN 0
MOLYBDENUM 67
NICKEL 3
MANGANESE 2
SILVER 0
TITANIUM 0
POTASSIUM 2
BORON 59
SILICON 26
SODIUM 12
CALCIUM 4604
MAGNESIUM 17
PHOSPHORUS 647
ZINC 795
BARIUM 0


SUS Viscosity @ 210°F 63.1
cSt Viscosity @ 100°C 11.1
Flashpoint in °F 410
Fuel % <0.5
Antifreeze % 0
Water % 0
Insolubles % 0.3
TBN 2
TAN
ISO Code

Not exactly a one year oil, seems this owner was concerned with the TBN Reading.
Looks fine. No make up oil in 9421 miles! Was it low on oil? Adding oil would boost TBN. TBN available. Viscosity on target. What oil filter? If not AMSOIL, it should have been changed with more top off oil added. Severe Service? Dusty conditions? (it is a Jeep)? Extensive idling? Short trips? is 15,000 miles or 1 year whichever is first. Modifications (excluded from extended drain intervals)? Lots of unknowns.
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Originally posted by Big Bear:
Not so near as great as my run with the 0w-30 for 10k last time:

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/...umber=918755&fpart=1

This run was taken using the recommended EaO filter for the full time frame. Hot sample, taken near the beginning of the drain. Mixed octanes on the fuel (higher octane in the hot months, lower octane in the cooler months). Some 20 passes at the the local dragstrip. The car was full qt low at the time of the sample, but I had not added any oil in the last month or so, knowing that I would be sending a sample of for analysis, and I did not want skewed results with fresh oil.

Having added 2 qts in this 15k mile UOA + the 1 qt I was low makes for 3 qts burned in this interval. 5k miles per qt, that is better than the 4k miles per qt I got on the 0w-30... though Blackstone definately liked the 10k results on the thinner oil A LOT better.

I put more 5w-30 in after the sending the sample off. I bought a couple of strong magnets from the Homo Depot and put them on the side of the filter. The drain plug from the factory is not magnetized, so maybe the magnets will help lower my iron count for next time.

Also, I am debating a filter change at 7500 miles, but not sure that that would help given my insoluables level was still within reason.

Guys, I value your comments, this world is very new to me, and I still don't feel real comfortable recommending a 15k mile oil drain on this oil.

----------------------------------------------

BLAKE: We think now is the time to change this fill of 5W/30. Iron, copper, and lead all increased, which shows excess wear at the bearings. The increased wear is likely due to the longer oil run but we think 15,541 miles may be too many for your 5.3L.
Universal averages are based on an oil run of just 5,600 miles. No harmful contaminants were found and the viscosity read normally. It was just slightly higher than we found the last time.
The TBN read 2.2 so there wasn't much active additive remaining. 1.0 is low. Check back in 10,000 miles to monitor.

CRESSON, TX 76035
EQUIPMENT MAKE:...GM
EQUIPMENT MODEL:..5.3L 327 CI V-8
FUEL TYPE:.........Gasoline (Unleaded)
CODE:..............GXP
ADDITIONAL INFO:...LS4

REPORT DATE:.......1/7/08
NAME:..............BLAKE MOORE
E-MAIL:............blakeinspace@xxxxx.com

OIL USE INTERVAL : 15,541 Miles
OIL TYPE & GRADE: Amsoil 5W/30
MAKE-UP OIL ADDED: 2 qts

OIL REPORT

MI/HR ON OIL :.....15,541
MI/HR ON UNIT:.....38,569
SAMPLE DATE:.......12/23/07

*PARTS PER MILLION* / UNIVERSAL AVERAGES / 10k sample of 0w-30
ALUMINUM........3...............4...............3
CHROMIUM........1...............1...............1
IRON............51..............22..............19
COPPER..........78..............59..............65
LEAD............18..............9...............11
TIN.............1...............1...............2
MOLYBDENUM......52..............53..............14
NICKEL..........1...............1...............1
MANGANESE.......2...............2...............2
SILVER..........0...............0...............0
TITANIUM........0...............0...............0
POTASSIUM.......2...............1...............4
BORON...........34..............56..............9
SILICON.........18..............25..............14
SODIUM..........9...............10..............9
CALCIUM.........3229............1762............2877
MAGNESIUM.......12..............338.............13
PHOSPHORUS......661.............770.............697
ZINC............828.............932.............787
BARIUM..........0...............0...............0

TEST.....VALUES SHOULD BE.......TESTED VALUES WERE
WATER %.............<0.1................0.0

ANTIFREEZE %..........0.................0.0

FUEL %..............<2.0...............<0.5

FLASHPOINT INºF.....>365................420

SUS VISCOSITY@210ºF: 56-63.............62.4

cSt Viscosity @ 100°C: 10.90...........10.41
INSOLUBLES %........<0.6................0.3



http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/...umber=1094295&page=1
Hmm..Quart low, top off and oil quality improves. K&N filter and drag racing, other modifications - Extended oil change intervals not recommended. Lower metals wear per thousand miles than Universal avg. Looks good for these conditions plus 15,541 miles. Short trips? = Severe service. TBN shows it could go longer, especially since it was a quart low.
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Originally posted by Big Bear:
quote:
TBN 2


He was hoping to get a year out of this oil, and only got 6 months out of it.
Again, Looks fine. No make up oil in 9421 miles! Was it low on oil? Adding oil would boost TBN. TBN available. Viscosity on target. What oil filter? If not AMSOIL, it should have been changed with more top off oil added. Severe Service? Dusty conditions? (it is a Jeep)? Extensive idling? Short trips? is 15,000 miles or 1 year whichever is first. Modifications (excluded from extended drain intervals)? Lots of unknowns. Too many to be able to determine the correct AMSOIL Service Life recommendation.
quote:
Originally posted by Big Bear:
He would have been better off doing 5000 mile OCI's.
Why? the oil looks fine at the extended oil change intervals. Lower metal wear per mile than Universal averages, viscosities stayed in grade, left over TBN.

quote:
Originally posted by Big Bear:The main thing is both of these individuals are no longer using Amsoil.
How do you know? What was their reasoning?
Amsoil ASL 5W-30, 10K miles, '99 Civic
ClarkB Offline


Registered: 11/26/07
Posts: 257
Loc: Vancouver, WA
Just got back the results from Blackstone for my Civic. This run was probably 80% city and 20% highway miles, the exact opposite of my last UOA (which was PP 5W-30).

The first set of numbers is this most recent run on ASL, the second is my last run on PP.

Iron 21/10
Chromium 1/0
Lead 7/4
Copper 5/10
Tin 2/0
Aluminum 3/1
Nickel 3/0
Silver 0/0
Silicon 17/13
Boron 78/37
Sodium 8/0
Magnesium 13/19
Calcium 4157/2984
Barium 0/0
Phosphorus 720/967
Zinc 901/1084
Moly 52/70
Titanium, Vanadium 0/0
Potassium 1/0

% Fuel <.5/<1
cSt @ 100 10.77/10.33
Water % 0/0
Coolant None/None
TBN ??/4.0

Blackstone flagged the silicon, they think it is from a lube or sealer. Considering that I didn't use any additives and haven't had any work done the engine I think they are a bit off. I'm not so sure that 17 ppm is anything to worry about though.

Overall I'm very happy with the engine and oil selection. I'll probably stick with the PP since it is more readily available and it saves me a couple clams.

Clark

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Another person going from Amsoil to another oil, this time it was Pennzoil Platinum, doesn't Shell now own Pennzoil.
quote:
Originally posted by Tim Vipond:
quote:
Originally posted by Big Bear:
Amsoil 5w30 ASL 9,421 miles 03 Jeep Liberty 3.7L
BigDenCCMD Offline


Registered: 03/11/05
Posts: 128
Loc: Maryland
I was hoping to go a year with this oil but based on TBN (2) I don't think I will. The oil was in 6 months. Not sure whether it is SM or earlier. Silicon was a little high; I've changed the air filter but Blackstone thought it wasn't bad considering mileage on oil.

MI/HR on Oil 9,421
MI/HR on Unit 72,421
Sample Date 9/29/2007
Make Up Oil Added 0 qts

ALUMINUM 5
CHROMIUM 1
IRON 24
COPPER 6
LEAD 0
TIN 0
MOLYBDENUM 67
NICKEL 3
MANGANESE 2
SILVER 0
TITANIUM 0
POTASSIUM 2
BORON 59
SILICON 26
SODIUM 12
CALCIUM 4604
MAGNESIUM 17
PHOSPHORUS 647
ZINC 795
BARIUM 0


SUS Viscosity @ 210°F 63.1
cSt Viscosity @ 100°C 11.1
Flashpoint in °F 410
Fuel % <0.5
Antifreeze % 0
Water % 0
Insolubles % 0.3
TBN 2
TAN
ISO Code

Not exactly a one year oil, seems this owner was concerned with the TBN Reading.
Looks fine. No make up oil in 9421 miles! Was it low on oil? Adding oil would boost TBN. TBN available. Viscosity on target. What oil filter? If not AMSOIL, it should have been changed with more top off oil added. Severe Service? Dusty conditions? (it is a Jeep)? Extensive idling? Short trips? is 15,000 miles or 1 year whichever is first. Modifications (excluded from extended drain intervals)? Lots of unknowns.


Looks fine? TBN of 2. Tim, would you please get us a baseline of the Additive package for that specific oil?
quote:
Originally posted by Big Bear:
Amsoil ASL 5W-30, 10K miles, '99 Civic
ClarkB Offline


Registered: 11/26/07
Posts: 257
Loc: Vancouver, WA
Just got back the results from Blackstone for my Civic. This run was probably 80% city and 20% highway miles, the exact opposite of my last UOA (which was PP 5W-30).

The first set of numbers is this most recent run on ASL, the second is my last run on PP.

Iron 21/10
Chromium 1/0
Lead 7/4
Copper 5/10
Tin 2/0
Aluminum 3/1
Nickel 3/0
Silver 0/0
Silicon 17/13
Boron 78/37
Sodium 8/0
Magnesium 13/19
Calcium 4157/2984
Barium 0/0
Phosphorus 720/967
Zinc 901/1084
Moly 52/70
Titanium, Vanadium 0/0
Potassium 1/0

% Fuel <.5/<1
cSt @ 100 10.77/10.33
Water % 0/0
Coolant None/None
TBN ??/4.0

Blackstone flagged the silicon, they think it is from a lube or sealer. Considering that I didn't use any additives and haven't had any work done the engine I think they are a bit off. I'm not so sure that 17 ppm is anything to worry about though.

Overall I'm very happy with the engine and oil selection. I'll probably stick with the PP since it is more readily available and it saves me a couple clams.

Clark

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Another person going from Amsoil to another oil, this time it was Pennzoil Platinum, doesn't Shell now own Pennzoil.


How many miles on the easier highway driven Pennzoil Platinum? Why stop the AMSOIL at only 10,000 city miles? Pennzoil Platinum is only warranted for 4,000 miles/4 months.

Shell has owned the Pennzoil and QuakerState brands for around 10 years now in an attempt to increase market share. All 3 of their brands are down in market share since then. AMSOIL has record sales this year. The motor oil market overall is down 20% this year. AMSOIL has doubled in sales in the past 4 years. Looks like motorists are leaving the other brands more and using AMSOIL.
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