Is this the place for the BITOG rejects?

I follow bitog. I was unaware of problems. What's going on over there that warrants "banishment"?

Well Rokky... you might get a biased answer to that question from those of us who got the BITOG boot. Anyway, I will try to keep this answer as unbiased as I can. I also don't know the details of what the moderators were thinking in any case, even my own... so who knows the real reasons for what has been going on.

Suffice is to say that the moderators who were active at the time had a big crackdown in November and December. The crackdown included deletion of individual posts, deletion of entire threads, and banning members. They weren't lax about any small infraction (real or perceived) against the board rules (religion, ***, politics, personal attacks). They were also intolerant of any negative comments about site sponsors' products or mention of competitors to those sponsors. Any questions about the moderator actions, discussion about banned members, or questions about BITOG policies were also not tolerated.

Around the same time, the board was closed off to non-members. This month, open access was again allowed. I don't know if the moderators have lightened up on the crackdown, though.

After witnessing the crackdown firsthand, I still believe that BITOG is an EXCELLENT resource for those interested in automotive maintenance. However, I would add that site visitors should maintain a little bit of suspicion... especially in topics/posts lauding site sponsor products or in any topic where member posts lean overwhelmingly toward one opinion with no dissent. In those cases, it is possible that contrarian opinions have been deliberately blocked.

" They weren't lax about any small infraction (real or perceived) against the board rules (religion, ***, politics, personal attacks). They were also intolerant of any negative comments about site sponsors' products or mention of competitors to those sponsors. Any questions about the moderator actions, discussion about banned members, or questions about BITOG policies were also not tolerated."

I am concerned when a sponser can receive only good press by moderator intervention. This kind of defeats the purpose of an oil, or whatever, forum.

Thanks for the info kanling

The one I saw personally was in about November. Someone had posted a link to a new oil analysis company saying the pricing was very cheap. The moderators had edited the post so that the link was deleted. (It even said, "link deleted by moderator due to competition from site sponsor")

About a day later, somebody had made a reply that said it was "lame" to delete the link so that even the name of the competitor couldn't be discussed.

Soon after that, the whole post disappeared like it had never happened.

I have since learned that negative posts/topics about Auto RX had been deleted for a long time. (This was found out reading the ToyotaNSaturn "Talking Board", which is a political discussion BITOG offshoot from an independent moderator.)

I was a member of Noria first, BITOG later, if they banned me thats their choice and priviledge, they are out of my bookmarks for sure, even if they ask me back which I very much doubt it, I won't go back, the kind of first hand info there is good, but not that its not attainable elsewhere. I actually like to frequent owner forums where you get the word literally from the horse's mouth and you can avoid Hyundai and Audi peddlers

I have not been banned but got a cease and desist order from the main man.

That forum is nothing but a advertising rag. If they wanted to keep it techincal they should not let the advertisers sell in the forums. Put up a banner or link and thats it. I was over by and there is one thread talking strictly about one advertised prices. That is what should be deleted, anything that sells.

Also, since were complaing. All the old wifes who talk where the best deals are and so on are sickening.

Lets put it this way, paid members have the right to put down, abuse, in****, rebut the non paying member's post, the fairest man and mod was Vetterman, sadly he retired, now the jerk in charge is acting tough, good for him, BITOG's loss anyways.

people spending 25 dollars to check on 7 dollars worth of oil to see if it is holding up

Good point Char, I would only do analysis once just to find out if the oil I am using is doing its job, also to find out my engine condition.

Kanling,

What testament did you break to be banished from the hallowed BITOG?

I didn't break any rule. I just openly criticized the moderators for not following their own policies even-handedly. (Just like you mentioned, certain people were allowed to break the rules without punishment while others had posts deleted.)

I did some criticizing on BITOG and those posts were deleted. I think what really got me kicked off was criticizing the moderators on another board! (http://www.madays.net/talkingboard/viewtopic.php?t=361)

No BITOG rule about questioning or criticizing the policies, but petty moderators will do as they please.

Gurkha, sad to say that Vetteman didn't really retire... he got lung cancer over the summer and just died a few weeks ago.

Others seem to disagree, but in my view all the trouble at BITOG started happening when Vetteman had to turn over duties to the other moderators. I think I know the "jerk" you are referring to, he is the one that seems to do most of the moderation now. And I totally agree with your opinion about him.

Very sorry to hear about Vetterman, long while back, a Audi nut and I had a real going over, Vetterman intervened very justly and eventually it was the paying Audi nut that got thrown out, I will surely miss him, BITOG will never be the same without him.

As for the jerk, he keeps this up, his board will soon be history.

I still read over BITOG sometimes, and there has been a noticable decline in the quality of posts. (There's even a 5-page thread going on about it over there.)

I think a lot of it has to do with the bad decision to cut off the board for a month in December and the poor choice of the new bulletin board software which doesn't allow easy searching.

I don't think BITOG will soon disappear, but the BITOG heyday is definitely over.

Well, well, well. It seems like my lack of posting over there hasn't been without just cause. Getting back into the workforce full time again has indeed affected my desire and ability to view the topics, but I have too seen the decline of the actual material posts vs. the fluff stuff.

Great to finally be posting once again!

This isn't a place for rejects.

This is just a forum with other views and other usefull information.

I get my share of warnings from questioning sponsors and those that push sponser products on the oildrop.

And, many of my posts over the years have been lost, deleted, or edited. I've chatted and exchanged emails with other members who noticed the same issues. They still have several unbiased good members. But, I would say that they lost plenty of good members there too.

You get tired of "nothing works better then sponsors products" and "everything is a snake oil except our sponsors".

But, the UOAs, VOAs, and some member independent testing are great sources of info.

IMHO BITOG has turned into a kiddie flame war forum no better than some of the Mustang/Ricer forums. Mods do a horrible job there. But like anything else......If you dont like it dont go there. I stopped....just could not take loss of mature discussion.

I think you should have put "reject" with quotes. But I understand exactly what you mean. I was one of the first 70 members of that forum and while I rarely post, that forum is no where near what it was compared to the early days. I still read it for the UOAs. You'll notice that Terry Dyson and Molacule no longer post like they used too. Thanks for pointing out the shenanigans going on. I suspected something was up. Two members with filtration background left because of the antics of a passive/aggressive putz.

Just for giggles I've started to post a few comments, questions, and the like there once again. There are still a few very good members there, such as bruce381, TallPaul, buster, Johnny just to name a few.

But, for the most part, it has turned into a my opinion/facts are more correct than yours are war of rubbish and lest we forget that GC (German Castrol) is the Holy Grail of all lubricants for the modern piston engine!!

I'll still visit, 'cause I missed this oil stuff!!!

The xenophobia on BITOG is incredible.

quote:

Originally posted by kanling:
The xenophobia on BITOG is incredible.

Ha ha ha, fully agreed...........

quote:

Originally posted by Dad2leia:
... There are still a few very good members there, such as bruce381, TallPaul, buster, Johnny just to name a few....

Wow! I am humbled to be named in the same line as Bruce and Johnny. They are the pros and really know their stuff. Me, I just fool around with it for fun. Thanks anyway. I know you meant it not for who knows the most, but for those who are straightforward and not buying into the BS.

Hey, I got kicked off BITOG too! I told G-MAN that Harleys (and his Harley) were only good for parades, poker-runs, polishing, profiling, and posers and he said I was history. They were a bunch of overly-sensitive girls, IMHO

You didn't mention that at HOG meets, they regularly do rice burner bonfires of the fact that a Harley rider never reciprocates the common courtesy gesture among other motorcycle riders if the other rider is riding a Japanese made bike.

As for BITOG, they are signing their own doom.

quote:

Originally posted by Dad2leia:
Just for giggles I've started to post a few comments, questions, and the like there once again. There are still a few very good members there, such as bruce381, TallPaul, buster, Johnny just to name a few.

But, for the most part, it has turned into a my opinion/facts are more correct than yours are war of rubbish and lest we forget that GC (German Castrol) is the Holy Grail of all lubricants for the modern piston engine!!

I'll still visit, 'cause I missed this oil stuff!!!

Thanks for the compliment. I try my best not to be biased.

You never are Johnny. I forgot to mention AEHass and MolaKule, who is finally posting once again.

In the recent few weeks, it has seemed to calm down a bit, at least for most of the more educated posters and some newbies with honest questions to ask.

One thing that I wish they would work on is the search function. Whatever they did do it, you really can't pinpoint the information that you are looking for like you once were able to.

By the way...Welcome to NORIA!!!

What ever happend to Tooslick? He posted on the old Noria board and all of a sudden stopped posting on Bitog in 2006.

I simply mentioned an unknown " Butler Labs " in regards to stepping up the bar with use of particle counts that the lab offered and was removed from the place over the post . A week or so later of course Mark came aboard and did alot of good for many people .

Just an update from the "other site" We have some bickering going on again, but mori's back and posting again, whereas Terry called it quits..both as a site sponser and a poster.

Mola's back posting again, and has brought even more technical (read wonderful reading) to the table.

I don't know what to make of some of the newbies..kind of makes you wonder if they actually read what the heck they are typing!??

I saw that Mola is back posting again. Sorry to hear about Terry. Maybe he will come here and post.

Couldn't agree more with you Kanling. I've been reading on there for a few weeks now and I can see a trend.

I have to ask you guys about Mobil 1 products. I've seen a few times on BITOG that people say the have run UOA's and say it's nothing special and put a lot of conventional oils in front of it. Mobil has been making syn's for a long time now, I can't imagine they are not worth the $19 for 5 qt jugs!?!?

Funny thing is, I believe, that people who are into what lubes they use like to change oil and fluids and do it quit frequently. So we may change good lube to often where as people who don't care what goes in general don't change their lubes as often, so their the ones that really need that $10+ qt stuff. Just a thought I had.

Remmious...truer words have never been spoken, but unfortunately, as you keep reading on that board, you'll find that the ONLY thing that makes up most of their minds is how much oil I can get for the least amount possible.

Nothing like having your cake, eating it, AND asking for seconds as you hold out your plate IMHO...

An excellent oil at bargain prices and the ring belt area should stay clean till doomsday. Some decide over a couple ppm of iron or lead . Sillyness IMO .

It well might be that if many just went by the owners manual the engines would live very long lifes without analysis - doping oil and gasoline ect .

Wait , maybe the vast majority do just that and never have thought about oil sites on the WW Web . Not sure the majority keep cars all that long these days anyway .

quote:

Originally posted by remmious:

I have to ask you guys about Mobil 1 products. I've seen a few times on BITOG that people say the have run UOA's and say it's nothing special and put a lot of conventional oils in front of it. Mobil has been making syn's for a long time now, I can't imagine they are not worth the $19 for 5 qt jugs!?!?

Motorbike, you couldn't be more right. I get caught up in all the hoopla and I dn't know why.

Regardine M1, absolutely will keep an engine clean. That HTO-06 Honda testing proved how well Mobil 1 does at preventing deposits. I've also seen some good TEOST independent testing done by SWRI posted by someone on BITOG who had access to that info.

I'm no different than any other consumer out there; there's a limit to what I will/can spend on items such as fluids and filters so it ultimately comes down to price. But I would like to get my best bang for my buck and I like knowing what I have in front of me. I hadn't seen any of the M1 VOA's but it was something I've seen slung around a few times. I like some of the reading but you definitly have to pick through the posts.

Thanks for the responses.....

I guess that makes me the wild one of the bunch then. I will spend an extreme amount on my fluids...but ONLY if I feel that the product quality and ability of the lubricant warrants it. That's why I use Maxima products, not because I proudly want to annouce that I spend $10 per liter for it, but because after doing my research, spending hours reading posts, specification sheets, and talking to them personally, I decided to give that oil a chance.

So far, I really like it...in fact, I ordered my second batch for my next round of OCI's.

I just made a quick visit to bitog just to see what's new. I haven't checked for months. I'm distressed to see that Wix appears to have changed the design on their oil filters... changing their previous excellent bypass valve and maybe cutting the amount of media and quality of the center tube.

I also noticed the Gee-Man is flexing his muscles again... "I'm not going to go actively looking for political content in everyone's signatures. I will give you a few days to remove it yourself. After that, if I see it, you will be banned. " Still quick to the guillotine, I see. And it probably also explains why some of the knowledgeable people I remember from the past who would have provided some insight into the Wix issue have not - they're gone.

Kanling,

At this rate, they will loose everyone who has anything to contribute at BITOG and it will be dead for sure.

Well I was just banned from BITOG. GMan took offense to my sense of humor. He has posted about no political statements so I (of course) changed my signature to read:
THIS SPACE FOR SALE
Place your political advertisement here
So the Nazi bans me. Oh well. That place sux anyway...turned into a ricer/kiddie forum.
I was SargeGTO there....

Well Sarge, I wondered how long it would take for you to be banned for your new signature. Lasted longer than I thought. That's a pretty petty thing to ban someone for, IMHO. I'm interested to see how wwilsons new Truckers Oil Forum goes. I think it's a good idea and I hope it does not turn in to one sided mud slinging forum. I wish him well.

Yeah Helen PM'd me and said politics is a 4 letter word on BITOG. Gee....here it is a eight letter word. Who knew?!
Terry Dyson is right...that place has lost it's value....who cares

Maybe here I can get a better understanding to my oil temp to viscosity requirements question....versus 06VTECH telling me about his "fabulous" Honda and his latest butt dyno run down to the head shop for more rolling papers
By the way....if my oil temps never get over 160-180...running PP 10-30....am I activating the add packs?....could I run a "thicker" 5-20 or 0-20 and still get the wear protection?

It's getting worse than I thought that you've been banned Sarge.

I know that when I try to start up an actual conversation topic where information can be thrown back and forth, it seems to take off on a tangent also by the third reply, and everything comes down to Mobil 1 or PP.

It is getting petty and childish.

Yeah, when Gman said no political signatures, I removed my www.honestedu.org signature, even though I don't consider it political. A couple weeks ago PM'd him asking about it, whether I could put it back on, and never got a reply.

Things do seem to be getting out of hand over there unfortunately. People need to lighten up. It's an oil/auto forum. I didn't realize all of this had taken place recently.

Here is a web site that speaks the truth for ya
http://sargedoesoil.com/default.aspx

Sarge,

Why don't you tell us how you really feel.

Just one thought and one correction to what is on that site:

Bob, the original owner of BITOG is still alive in FL. The one known at 59Vettemen was the second owner and is the one that passed away last year. I am very sad he is gone, he was a great person.

I heard he was a really good guy also.
I'll make a correction

59Vetterman was truly a nice person, after his demise, BITOG is not the same.

I got beyond banned 2 years ago for mentioning [the names have been changed to protect the innocent] Arthur Herbert Fonzarelli

quote:

Originally posted by SgtGeek:
Here is a web site that speaks the truth for ya
http://sargedoesoil.com/default.aspx

I just want you to know the stuff on your site about Castrol is incorrect.

quote:

So Helen signs a contract with Castrol and now they "approve and cruise" the website and have anything they dissaprove of removed.

I'm no Castrol fan, believe me. But they are NOT controlling content. Yes they are a paying sponsor. Even some of what Terry said is simply not true. They are not controlling or limiting other sponsors. Helen just doesn't want too many sponsors and wanted to slow down and think about sponsors.

As for banning - were you guys banned for oil content or testing the limits with R/S/P? Can I see examples? G-man WAS quite stern, because of direction from Helen. What I saw right after Tony's death was people thinking they could get away with more and they could....so some folks got used to it, suddenly when, yes, G-man reigned it in. Then people start complaining and testing him like silly children BUT in my humble opinion it's still looser than when Bob ran the show.

The attitude at BITOG is anal to say the least. People get banned on the frivolities and moods of the mods, no sense or logic there.

I got banned without any R/S/P. All I did was question why so many people were getting banned. Yet another example in history where those who question the tyrants get beheaded.

I got banned for saying Hyundai quality is not up to the Japanese mark yet

No warning, no intimidation, nothing, NADA, bunch of anals.

Hmmmm, good thing we haven't taken oaths to tell the truth, the WHOLE truth, and nothing but the truth. . .

BITOG rules are clear, and available for all members to read (in fact, that's required). The owner is strict, and has good reasons for being so (many sponsors demand a clean forum). And in no case is the staff unwilling to consider a reasonable request for re-instatement or imposition of a lesser sanction.

That might be OK if those rules were applied fairly. But they are applied so as to basically impose censorship on some and allow others in favor to say whatever they please. Total BS.

Got a legal term for that?

Thats the word, FAIR and unfortunately it doesn't exist at BITOG.

I've been treated pretty badly at BITOG over the last two years or so.

A couple of days ago I made a thread in which I told BITOG forumites that I think they are all terrible people.

Several people subsequently came into the thread and proved me correct.

But I wasn't banned. My avatard was taken away, and that's all.

But since I threw that tantrum, I've been treated very well. No more mockery, no more sarcasm, no more derision, just good talk about automotive fluids.

A couple of people PM'd me apologizing for the conduct of the board. There's a few golden ones in every group.

By the way, I'm new here. Nice to meet you all.

Allen

ALLEN first let me say welcome. BITOG seems to be more relaxed then it used to be thankfully.

I did look at some of your posting on bob and didn't see a problem with some if not all of the replies in the post you mentioned. If you are none specific you get none specific replies. I've seen serious questions getting the smart ass reply (I hate that), but its part of some forums.

If you have a product you like then use it and damn what others think. I mean who's money is it anyway? But if you want to go on forums and post about it expect some sceptics that will only be quited by proof.

quote:

Originally posted by Taterandnoodles:
ALLEN first let me say welcome. BITOG seems to be more relaxed then it used to be thankfully.

I did look at some of your posting on bob and didn't see a problem with some if not all of the replies in the post you mentioned. If you are none specific you get none specific replies. I've seen serious questions getting the smart ass reply (I hate that), but its part of some forums.

If you have a product you like then use it and damn what others think. I mean who's money is it anyway? But if you want to go on forums and post about it expect some sceptics that will only be quited by proof.

I thought the mod's response was reasonable:

quote:

OK this is going to cause a mess, a fight, or at least hard feelings.

To the OP, if you have a problem, you are more than welcome to go away. If you want to substantiate your claims in a way that will gain more respect from the crowd, then do so, but making posts like this isnt going to help your cause. Catch more flies with honey than vinegar...

This is your decision point - stick around or go away. Its your call. But belittling the forum members isnt going to be tolerated, and threads like this will not be allowed to exist.

As far as member's responses, pretty tame by most car related internet forum sites. A post such as yours was pretty much in the face of a lot of people. I wouldn't expect hugs and kisses. It's oil. People are passionate about the sport.

quote:

Originally posted by Pablo:
I thought the mod's response was reasonable:

quote:

OK this is going to cause a mess, a fight, or at least hard feelings.

To the OP, if you have a problem, you are more than welcome to go away. If you want to substantiate your claims in a way that will gain more respect from the crowd, then do so, but making posts like this isnt going to help your cause. Catch more flies with honey than vinegar...

This is your decision point - stick around or go away. Its your call. But belittling the forum members isnt going to be tolerated, and threads like this will not be allowed to exist.

As far as member's responses, pretty tame by most car related internet forum sites. A post such as yours was pretty much in the face of a lot of people. I wouldn't expect hugs and kisses. It's oil. People are passionate about the sport.

I made up with everyone. It's a good site with good people.

quote:

As far as member's responses, pretty tame by most car related internet forum sites. A post such as yours was pretty much in the face of a lot of people. I wouldn't expect hugs and kisses. It's oil. People are passionate about the sport.

I was right about BITOG in the first place. I asked Helen to kill my profile, and she did.

You get treated the way you treat others on Bitog.

quote:

Originally posted by Tempest:
You get treated the way you treat others on Bitog.

Surely you don't think I treated anyone badly?

Because I didn't. I was respectful and courteous, and I tried to be helpful.

I'm considered an idiot on that forum because I endorse Tufoil and I said that one time I tried out fuel magnets on an old VW Golf, and it had some sort of positive effect.

I guess that's enough to condemn someone, huh.

OK, I have been invited back to Bitog after being banned for a year or 2. Should I go crawling back?

quote:

Originally posted by Labman:
OK, I have been invited back to Bitog after being banned for a year or 2. Should I go crawling back?

Yes, you should go crawling back and thank them for allowing you to re-enter their kingly domain.

Unfortunately this place seems dead.

Yup. Pretty much.

Perhaps BITOG is not so volatile and abusive now.

My presence there made very many people angry.

I asked for my account to be deleted because someone sent me a PM telling me I was full of ****. Those losers rejoiced and said that I had been banned.

Geez, I wondered what happened to 'bike, Mickey, Gurkha, Labman, et al.

I missed everyones posts. Hadn't been to BOTOG for over twelve months and was talking to Terry a few months back who filled me in a little on what happened.

There are far too many posts now telling how good ATF is as an engine flush......help !

Well I am here.

IMHO this forum is more unbiassed and has more professional users. Besides this, it's not so salesdriven...

I truely hope that the 'rejects' you all talk about here are not the persons who have polluted the BITOG with nonsense and now take their chance at this place.

Howcome we have to keep bringing BITOG up here? Do we have to set up a new forum just for discussions about BITOG?

"I truely hope that the 'rejects' you all talk about here are not the persons who have polluted the BITOG with nonsense and now take their chance at this place."

Hmmmm. If the shoe fits ...

"Howcome we have to keep bringing BITOG up here? Do we have to set up a new forum just for discussions about BITOG?"

Why not? Don't like it?

Don't read it.

hahaha you must be kidding...got big toes?

What is your personal problem with me? I just gave my honest opinion and now you identify me as one of the rejects? Don't blame me for having a bad day...!

I truly hope he is kiding E.M.

On Bitog it is kind of hard for Joe Average to tell what is fact or just a sales pitch.

yeah PJ, it would be less frustrating when you're just looking for an honest discussion or advice without having to filter out the nonsenses

quote:

Originally posted by PJD:
I truly hope he is kiding E.M.

On Bitog it is kind of hard for Joe Average to tell what is fact or just a sales pitch.

If you think it is bad, you should see some of the discussion of dog food on dog forums. A lot of the smaller, premium brands are distributed by part time reps and breeders. Of course, the breeders are flogging themselves.

I was kicked off for asking if the owners were alive or not, and for quoteing somebody that said "khrap" (they were avoiding the censor)
and asking why they just didn't say cr ap.
I was getting tired of it anyway!


My reason for being band was "he is a student, and the board rules are just a game to him"

If they ever ask me to come back, I'm PM ing Helen, and telling her that was uncalled for, not true, and go from there.

BITOG is just getting worse

I'm in! I got the boot last Thurs or Friday.

Somebody started a thread about funny commercials. I posted a link to a commercial I saw on tv. Several others posted much racier commercials.

I wonder if they got the boot too?

I did not get any warning. In fact I have never been booted from any forum till now.

I think Mori got the boot as well. I didn't see the You Tube links but if these commercials were on USA TV, then wow.....

I'm happy to hear that I wasn't the only one booted

There's no nudity or cussing in the commercial. If I had known that it would get me booted I wouldn't have posted it.

Anyway, I'm here now.

Being kicked from BITOG doesn't mean you can continue here to mess up the only professional forum left out there..

quote:

Originally posted by rokky:
"I truely hope that the 'rejects' you all talk about here are not the persons who have polluted the BITOG with nonsense and now take their chance at this place."

Hmmmm. If the shoe fits ...

"Howcome we have to keep bringing BITOG up here? Do we have to set up a new forum just for discussions about BITOG?"

Why not? Don't like it?

Don't read it.

I am one of those rejects as well, does that mean I spread nonsense at BITOG?

Not automatically

Ladies and gentlemen, what have we here? I just scanned this whole thread and noticed a few familiar names from, well, it could be years ago! Gurkha, we were rudely interrupted by Schmuck and Putz while discussing rice bran oil back in 2005 or so.

Pip pip cheerio!
-mori

PS: Is there an Engine Oil Additive forum here?

quote:

Originally posted by moribundman:
Ladies and gentlemen, what have we here? I just scanned this whole thread and noticed a few familiar names from, well, it could be years ago! Gurkha, we were rudely interrupted by Schmuck and Putz while discussing rice bran oil back in 2005 or so.

Pip pip cheerio!
-mori

PS: Is there an Engine Oil Additive forum here?

Why do you need to practice your Photoshopping skills?

I don't have to use Photoshop. If I need a picture of a sludged engine, I use proudly Bosco.

By the way, Panda Bear was banned from BITOG a while ago. I heard he posted something lewd. Aldaris was banned for calling sprintman, who never ever insults anybody, a food Nazi.

quote:

Originally posted by moribundman:
By the way, Panda Bear was banned from BITOG a while ago. I heard he posted something lewd. Aldaris was banned for calling sprintman, who never ever insults anybody, a food Nazi.

That's hilarious!!!

quote:

Originally posted by moribundman:
Aldaris was banned for calling sprintman, who never ever insults anybody, a food Nazi.

You're kidding! To call such a peaceful soul a member of the National Socialist Party... Shameful.

Well, I can't side with Aldaris. His taste in food really is abysmal.

Well, as of today, August 30th, 2009, I have been permanently banned from BITOG. Here is the reason: I publicly gave away the huge "secret" that people weren't being treated the same at BITOG. Come on, everyone knows this -- it's not like I spilled the beans. I have been the living the proof that some people can for a long time get away with pretty much anything. In my case it lasted for six years! BITOG is indeed run by bigots.

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:13 AM, doesntgetit <doesntgetit@bobistheoilguy.com> wrote:

When I said you got special treatment, that's what I meant. I personally stood up for you when you were going to get permanently banned and the ban didn't happen. That, Tom, is preferential treatment. I told you to stop stirring the pot or you would be banned. So, ignoring me, you chose to post this today, "I will resume regular posting after September 5th, so that I won't be further accused of enjoying "preferential treatment again." I am such an ingrate."

I keep my promises.
-XOXOXOX

Well, guys talking about shorts is a tad weird. Not as weird as the thread about the "Coolest Bathroom", but weird. Maybe some of the guys will get together for a peeparty. Wearing shorts may be mandatory.

I asked the guy who started that thread: "Why?". No real answer.

And I didn't bring up the whole shorts thing. Weird.

I did bring up the LEGAL smokeable thread. Killed dead on the spot with a stern warning. Right after that, someone started a Legalization thread that was open for 2-3 days. I really don't mind the rules, but which ones are they on a Sunday.

quote:

Very sorry to see you gone, Mori. They just lost a lot of site revenue with that move.

Right. What a tragedy.

quote:

Originally posted by Pablo:
I did bring up the LEGAL smokeable thread. Killed dead on the spot with a stern warning.

Pablo, there are literally hundreds of impressionable young children on that site every day. You don't want their minds being filled with that sort of trash, do you?

I have left some sites over uneven moderation. Answerway is a shadow of what it once was due to favoritism. Many of the people went to AskMeHelpdesk. The administrator there is a stupid idiot. Remember Texasgreasemonkey? He was appointed auto expert there.

BITOG will live on forever as long as they tolerate all the astroturf there.

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Remember Texasgreasemonkey?

No, I don't.

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Originally posted by Pablo:
I did bring up the LEGAL smokeable thread. Killed dead on the spot with a stern warning. Right after that, someone started a Legalization thread that was open for 2-3 days. I really don't mind the rules, but which ones are they on a Sunday.

And what does that have to do with OIL???

Looks like some people here want to continue their off topic crap here.

Writing stuff like that and being an Amsoil sales representative, immediately damages your companies credibility.

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Originally posted by .:[EM]:.:

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Originally posted by Pablo:
I did bring up the LEGAL smokeable thread. Killed dead on the spot with a stern warning. Right after that, someone started a Legalization thread that was open for 2-3 days. I really don't mind the rules, but which ones are they on a Sunday.

And what does that have to do with OIL???

Looks like some people here want to continue their off topic crap here.

Writing stuff like that and being an Amsoil sales representative, immediately damages your companies credibility.

It was not posted in the oil section. It was posted in the general OT section, and it was not crap. I posted a legitimate question about my business partner quitting smoking using legal products. Nothing to do at all with Amsoil. So quick to judge, people are.

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Originally posted by moribundman:
There's only two things I can't stand in this world. Those who are intolerant of other people's posts... and the Dutch.

Yeah, it must be my origin. That's discrimination and reported.

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Originally posted by Pablo:

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Originally posted by .:[EM]:.:

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Originally posted by Pablo:
I did bring up the LEGAL smokeable thread. Killed dead on the spot with a stern warning. Right after that, someone started a Legalization thread that was open for 2-3 days. I really don't mind the rules, but which ones are they on a Sunday.

And what does that have to do with OIL???

Looks like some people here want to continue their off topic crap here.

Writing stuff like that and being an Amsoil sales representative, immediately damages your companies credibility.

It was not posted in the oil section. It was posted in the general OT section, and it was not crap. I posted a legitimate question about my business partner quitting smoking using legal products. Nothing to do at all with Amsoil. So quick to judge, people are.

Still can not understand why you would post a question like that on an oil forum. And then use the only professional oil forum left to continue discussing it...

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Originally posted by .:[EM]:.:

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Originally posted by moribundman:
There's only two things I can't stand in this world. Those who are intolerant of other people's posts... and the Dutch.

Yeah, it must be my origin. That's discrimination and reported.

Discrimination? Not so much -- I even love Frau Antje. What I posted was an adopted quote from the movie 'Goldmember.' I thought everyone knew Michael Caine said that line! Apparently I was wrong.

Goldmember clip

Frau Antje

This thread is degrading.

Well it looks to me like those that donate cash to BITOG get special treatment and those of us that are broke and living in a van down by the river get the boot for any little thing.

Regardless of how many times the non paying member has helped a paying member with car repairs.

IMO BITOG is trying to get ride of non paying members? Thoughts?

Chris, for six years I have done nothing much but disregard the rules on BITOG. Not once have I donated money to BITOG. They must have wanted me around for some reason.

I've been banned as a paying member.

I guess it's a matter of whether or not they "like you." As we all know, preferential treatment is not optional on BITOG, it's implicit.

Them's the rules.

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Originally posted by moribundman:

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Originally posted by .:[EM]:.:

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Originally posted by moribundman:
There's only two things I can't stand in this world. Those who are intolerant of other people's posts... and the Dutch.

Yeah, it must be my origin. That's discrimination and reported.

Discrimination? Not so much -- I even love Frau Antje. What I posted was an adopted quote from the movie 'Goldmember.' I thought everyone knew Michael Caine said that line! Apparently I was wrong.

Goldmember clip

Frau Antje

For your information Frau Antje is originally a German actrice

As this section supposed to be on Cars and Trucks, I guess not a lot of visitors will make the link with a line of a B-movie. As a standalone setence it remains offending.

Just when I thought that the antics of BITOG couldn't make it over here...oh well..

I found BITOG in my never ending quest to find out information about any and ALL engine oil lubrication products, no matter how outlandish, off the wall, or expensive. Granted, in today's wonderful economic situation, I no longer can afford to have fun trying all of the products that I read about or found throughout the years, but I still occasionally like to read about something different, new, or unique.

There's still some amount of decent information being posted from a select few, but like anything on the internet, you have to sort through and use judgement in what to read, digest, and put into practice as being legitimate.

That's what discussions are for...or so I thought...

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Originally posted by Chris142:
Well it looks to me like those that donate cash to BITOG get special treatment and those of us that are broke and living in a van down by the river get the boot for any little thing.

Regardless of how many times the non paying member has helped a paying member with car repairs.

IMO BITOG is trying to get ride of non paying members? Thoughts?

I somewhat agree, it does appear that BITOG members who donate tend to have the belt loosened a notch for them WRT crossing the policies line- I speak from a few years of my own observations. I don't think they are trying to purge non-donating members, though.

I haven't been booted from there- yet... but then again, I have donated in the past...

All I have donated is 30,000 posts. Not that I'm complaining or anything -- I got my entertainment! Also, it was seriously time to move on.

For every troublemaker who leaves BITOG there will be another illiterate dimwit, another self-righteous churchian, another gun-toting paranoid, another professional flashlight tester (!), and invariably there will be another obese manic-depressive hypochondriac. It's inevitable! The USS BIGOT, without a captain and apparently run by the ship's monkey, sails slowly to her doom, which will come with a girlish whimper instead of with a manly bang. I don't even know what that means...

Moving on is good...

Moving on is especially good after first stopping and reflecting for a while. I got a whole lot of reflecting to do, because I'm the mori who stole Christmas.

How about the infamous GoldenRod? He was banned by 56Vetteman himself, a.k.a. Bio-T.

mori has realized that he can't be fixing people's grammar and spelling mistakes forever as it's a Sisyphean task. Still, it was fun to watch while it lasted.

I get the urge to correct people a lot of times, but sometimes it's so messed up that you don't even know where to begin. All you can do is just laugh...

Well, BIGOT being a "family-friendly" forum, one would expect many posts by teens, children, maybe toddlers and even infants, who simply have no yet learned to write halfway properly.

Dad2leia, Gurkha, Chris142, Crashbox, Taterandnoodles, SargeGTO, and of course 'Mori' all the names I remember well, it really is deja vu. I was banned by Tony but plead insanity (don't go there) and was allowed back. Nice to read posts from you all again...s

sprintman, you, Gurkha, and I were rudely interrupted in our conversation regarding rice bran oil a few years back. I distinctly remember Korean Redneck (He really was a redneck !), aka Happy Hyundai, starting a fight with Gurkha. For some reason it was Gurkha who got banned. Of course, Korean Redneck was banned during the course of a fight with me shortly after. Ah, how I'll be missing all that preferential treatment! I've always been such an ingrate.

Rice bran oil spread good but I think I'll leave foodstuff posts to other forums. As a Noria poster back when Jesus played fullback for Jerusalem (Aussie saying no offence meant) I see the forum has changed a lot. Who are the mods here now?

So, you desperately wanted to get banned, but it just didn't get done for a reason that met with your approval??? Talk about needing a diaper change. . . Quick, you need to call 1-800-WAA-AAAA!

Hey, Sherlock, when dealing with infants, one has to become an infant!

If you want to argue, go argue with your own kind. Now go back to BIGOT and spin the story. Better make sure I'm really mori, though. Serious doubts have been voiced!

But who will "enlighten" my cut-open-and-butchered oil filter photos? And who will ensure grammatical correctness? (Even though folks tend to razz you something fierce about it, I actually do appreciate that quality of yours)...

Well, in the words of Woody Guthrie, "So long, it's been good to know ye."

Wow... 2-1/2 years after me and the banishments continue for the same reasons. Oddly, even without bitog for that long, my car's still running fine on cheap dino and a basic filter. Hard to believe, I know.

Hey Chris142, I always used to like those truck pictures.

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Originally posted by moribundman:
Hey, Sherlock, when dealing with infants, one has to become an infant!

If you want to argue, go argue with your own kind. Now go back to BIGOT and spin the story. Better make sure I'm really mori, though. Serious doubts have been voiced!

Nope, have no desire to argue with the likes of you. Now, I'll have to go back to BITOG and admit that in defending you, I was totally wrong. I'll go hang out with the "kind" of folks who understand how to respect one another, even when they disagree, and how to discuss issues like adults. You can go wherever - and I could not care less where that is. Bye.

According to the email I got I should be unbanned later tonight.

Ok...this is getting pretty darn bad...

First I would like to say thank you to the ones who have missed my posting. Me being the main job in the family has severely altered my computer play time...such is life.

Second, eh, do we really need to bicker like school playground children about which site is better/worse/indifferent?

To have an opinion is welcomed, even more so with knowledge. But these boards were designed to be used by anyone with half an interest in lubrication in general, which means you will get a few neanderthals along the way.

I've just not been keeping up with this as much as I used to, because of monetary restrictions to experimenting like I used to be able to, but there is still decent information to be had, if, and like I stated before, if you sort through.

And lastly to Mori... please don't go. I enjoying reading your informative posts too much

I'm sposed to be unbanned as of last night but I still can't log in.

BITOG jumped the shark long ago.