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Just to further the fact that miro doesn't know what he's talking about

Oil Service 15,000 miles

Replace oil and filter
Reset service indicator
Check front brake pads
Check rear brake pads
Check parking brake operation
Replace cabin air filter

Inspection 1 30,000 miles or 24 months (whatever is first)

The above, plus:

Check manual transmission fluid level. (If equipped)
Check all underhood componets/hoses for fluid leaks.
Check and drivebelts and replace if necessary.
Check steering and suspension components.
Check exhaust systems and mountings.
Check condition and operation of seatbelts.
Check headlight beam alignment.
Check operation of headlight/windshield washer system.
Check engine management system.
Road test.

45,000 miles/36 months

Repeat oil service.

60,000/48 months: Inspection II

repeat Ins 1
Replace spark plugs
Check drive shaft boots.

There's more to it,Like air filter changes, but it's more than the oil change he claims.

What he also doesn't mention is that the dealer arranges a loaner car for you. (I've had two 3 series sedans and a new Toyota Camry. The guy who owns the BMW dealership also owns the Toyota and Lexus dealership next to each other.)

You can of course wait at the dealer, but they give you a free loaner, so why bother.
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Originally posted by BKL98MK8LSC:
BMW uses low tension piston ring sets on purpose. They provide less parasitic drag on the cylinder walls and superior cylinder lubrication at high RPM high load. Small and large high specific output engines from many brands use this strategy. Not a problem. They are designed this way for A reason. Its not the oils fault they chose this engineering compromise.


Very well said. Also, I didn't know that. Thanks!!
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
Since the tolerances are so much better and engines tighter, I'd stay clear of that 50 grade oil you're pushing and follow mfg specs, using an approved oil.


No point mail ordering anything, pick a good synthetic oil from a reputable company and have at it.


AD


One of his own links states that one way to combat sludge is to use the correct viscosity. Using synlube in a Mustang isn't it.
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Originally posted by Trajan:
quote:
Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:
My Drop to the bucket:

Just like oil will surface to the surface no matter what BP may claim about it, lies and deceptions will eventually surface too.



So synlube like..........


So Trajan like. Where's that engine belonging to you neighbour that sludged-up using Synlube, eh Big Mouth?

Well?
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Originally posted by Trajan:
You're right. It isn't a problem. It's far from a problem. The dealer doesn't see it as a problem. My mechanic doesn't. People who own and drive these cars, unlike kirk, don't see it as a problem.

No synlube, no worries.


Dirty engine. Burns oil. Using ARX to fix. Blame the original owner. No problem. BMW says so. No problem. Mechanic say so. No problem. What me worry? Alfred E. Newman = Trajan.
6000 miles and a qt of oil is needed, come on guys lets get real. That is not oil burning.

With all the positive press 3 people are giving Synlube, only two of them are using it. One of them owns the company. The other a shill. How come no one else is stepping up to the plate? Probably because most people reading about it realize what it's all about.

AD
fowvay quote...

I used this stuff after reading an article in European Car. At least I think it was European Car magazine back then.... anyhoo...

I put it in my 1986 Jetta Diesel at 121,000 miles and installed a canton mecca remote oil filter at the same time. I changed the filter every 25,000 miles and added a quart of oil at that time.

I sold the car at 486,000 miles after it was rear ended by a Chevy Chevette doing 45mph. It still ran great and delivered a solid 42mpg in the city (redline to redline shifts) and averaged a healthy 52mpg at 70mph.

I did change the oil out every 50,000 miles as per there directions back in the early 90's and allthough extremly black it still was performing very well and there was no sludge build up anywhere.

I thought the company had fallen off the face of the Earth or had gone out of business. That is untill today when I came across a link to it from another website.

I will try it out first in our Ford Focus since it sees the most use. I will report back in 2 years when it had accumalted 50,000 miles and let you know the averages.
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Hi, Gary Allan. I will also take a VOA and send it in together with the UOA. I have been driving 10000 km(6200 miles) now, since I filled my old Nissan with Synlube. All I can say now, is that this seem to be the best oil I have ever used. However, this is based on sounds from the engine being gradually reduced, how the engine idles and how I think it performs,as well as a slight reduction in fuelconsumption. I will do a lot of driving this summer, so I was planning to send in a UOA when I reach some 20K miles.
I also have ordered their gear oil, and already have their oil in the diff. I also ordered their microglass filter, and I will replace the OEM Nissan oil filter with this. I don't think you can go wrong, by using their products, but if anyone can give some info proving otherwise, I would be glad to know. In the meantime, I keep on driving to test it.


And Many,many others like myself and so forth have been using synlube for many years now.........
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
6000 miles and a qt of oil is needed, come on guys lets get real. That is not oil burning.

With all the positive press 3 people are giving Synlube, only two of them are using it. One of them owns the company. The other a shill. How come no one else is stepping up to the plate? Probably because most people reading about it realize what it's all about.

AD


Why doesn't inhaliburton step up to the plate???????

Yep. it's far from oil burning. Especially when you consider what BKL pointed out. Which I'll post again since they *still* don't get it:

*****Originally posted by BKL98MK8LSC:
BMW uses low tension piston ring sets on purpose. They provide less parasitic drag on the cylinder walls and superior cylinder lubrication at high RPM high load. Small and large high specific output engines from many brands use this strategy. Not a problem. They are designed this way for A reason. Its not the oils fault they chose this engineering compromise.*****

The problem these three have is that no one, either here or at bitog, is jumping on their bandwagon.

Still a mystery why one of the fans fears to use it. Or why the other two don't go after him.

Only someone who knows nothing about BMWs, or cars in general, would find 1qt/6k a problem.
A few years ago: http://www.pistonslap.com/tsb/010601011A.pdf

The accepted rate of oil consumption for engines used in the vehicles referenced is 0.946
liter (1 qt) in 3200 km (2000 mi). This rate only applies to personal use vehicles, under
warranty, maintained in accordance with the appropriate maintenance schedule, with less
than 58,000 km (36,000 mi), or 80,450 km (50,000 mi) for Cadillac, driven at legal
speeds in an unloaded (for trucks) condition.

Oops, they've been skunked again.

They probably feel the same way about Mazda's rotary engine as well.

A sure fire sign you're burning oil is the cloud of blue smoke. Don't have that.

I should also point out that none of my three fans stuck their beaks in this thread until *after* I chose the oil. Very telling.
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
quote:
Originally posted by Trajan:

Maybe kirk should read this again?

*******Originally posted by BKL98MK8LSC:
BMW uses low tension piston ring sets on purpose. They provide less parasitic drag on the cylinder walls and superior cylinder lubrication at high RPM high load. Small and large high specific output engines from many brands use this strategy. Not a problem. They are designed this way for A reason. Its not the oils fault they chose this engineering compromise. ********



I already explained the ring pressure issue. Here it is again.


This low ring pressure is not an engineering compromise.......it's an engineering achievement!

All engineering is a combination of compromises. It is possible to go to far with any of them. The best choices are a matter of constant debate and tend to become self evident over time through successes ,failures or plain mediocrity. Some companies are better at making these decisions than others. The same goes for oil companies and car companies.
Ah yes, ole jonny b. The guy who insulted anyone who dared question synlube. Or any other miracle in a can..... never did that VOA/UOA.

Just like inhaliburton. a guy who not only still defends a swill known as synlube, but is too scared, lacks the courage of his convictions, isn't man enough, to actually use it.

What can you expect from a child who, being that he lacks any ability, can only do things like make up lies. Find that thread you accussed me of inflicting ruin on yet? Oh, that's right, you made it up.
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I think we agree on some points. GM did not go with their own specification because they were happy with API. Being blown off for a period of years makes the general REAL unhappy. What their specific issues are I dont know but certainly it was something. Europe and japan have gone their own way and are not immune to problems. I think the elephant in the room that is causing issues is government regulations. Pressure to reduce waste streams to a minimum got the Europeans to specify long OCI and some got bit. Regulations on VOC emissions here have made crankcase ventilation systems very effective moisture traps. CAFE standards are pushing manufacturers to spec lighter oils than they would otherwise use,even if only slightly. Non of these are deal breakers when all you have to do is change your oil to fix it. Forcing 100000 mile catalytic converter life at the expense of safe reliable engine wear protection and sabotaging older engines with mechanical valve trains is a piss poor use of government power,however well intentioned. The engineering responses to regulation are as varied as can be,some are successful,some not. BMW is not immune to this. The crank case ventilation system on some models can fail in very cold weather and suck all the crankcase oil into the intake manifold and cause engine destruction. Not the oils fault unless you count water trapped in it. When the water freezes the valve fails. These may be the failures your referring to.
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Originally posted by BLK98MK8LSC:

The crank case ventilation system on some models can fail in very cold weather and suck all the crankcase oil into the intake manifold and cause engine destruction. Not the oils fault unless you count water trapped in it. When the water freezes the valve fails. These may be the failures your referring to.


That is a problem in the colder climates. IIRC there is a cold climate version of it. It's insulated IIRC.

FWIW, "normal" PCV valves can have the same thing happen. For instance: http://www.subaruforester.org/...-ltd-heads-up-47434/

Not a problem I have though.
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Originally posted by BLK98MK8LSC:
I wasnt picking on BMW but on the VOC emission regs that dictate sealed up tight crank cases. They trap moisture to the point of build up. Does depend on conditions.


I know, I just didn't see the need to quote the whole post Smile

You may find this of interest:
http://www.bimmerfest.com/foru...wthread.php?t=422965

"To cool the piston crowns directly, nearly all BMW engines are equipped with oil spray jets that moisten the piston crowns with engine oil."

I wasn't aware they had that feature.
Low tension rings for superior cylinder lube. Check.

Oil spray jets for the piston crowns. Check.

Very acceptable oil consumption rates as determined by the people who know what they're doing. Check.

Nobody buying what miro/kirk/inhal sell. Check.

Miro/kirk/inhal displaying their wealth of ignorance on such things. Check and mate.
OH took some time but finally found it the best car of all times ever sold in USA !!!

It is "nearly" worthless, so not as good as ZERO valued car would be:

Excellent $300
Good $225
Fair $138

1990 Sterling, and OH add Moon Roof which gets stuck in perpetually open position, and that reduces the value another $50.

After all it is superior feature to have "open" car that way more people can enjoy the incredible almost 10 times better than BMW engineering - correct after all it is worth 1/10 of 1990 M3......YA!!!

Why some (and the same) people have to always deny truth and reality? Because admitting they have made mistake or unsupported claim is so painful to them. But it also reveals their character, those that can not admit they are wrong or at least incorrect sometimes; do not have any character to speak of.

“No persons are more frequently wrong, than those who will not admit they are wrong !”
“All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed;
Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

“Those who have failed to accept the truth have missed the purpose of living.

“I quote others only to better express myself” !
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Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:
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ADFD1


In 1990 you could get 3 YUGO's for a price of one M3 BMW

Today you can get 2 used M3 (1990) for a price of ONE used YUGO (1990).

Funny how that proves your theory tested over 20 year time period.

May the best car be worth-less !!!


You're funny. In 1990 Yugo was garbage, and anyone in their right mind would have passed on the 3 Yugo's and took the BMW M3. Today Yugo represents, garbage, junk, a mistake of a car, in a car collectors garage.

I'm sure when a father and son visit a car collection if there is a Yugo in the collection the father probably says to the son something like this: "Son you see that POS, they were throw away death traps back in the day, total junk." That was what my father told me when I mentioned the Yugo discussion in this thread.

BTW- Miro some engines by design use oil, its not the fault of the oil, nor the owner of the car. It's just a fact of life.

AD
And yet, the M3 is still in production. Why do you suppose that is miro? Tell me, how many 2009 Yugo were sold here?

A 1990 Corvette could buy alot of Yugos as well. As could a 1990 911. A Rolls Royce silver spur. Bently. Lamborghini Diablo. Lincoln. In 1990, good used cars were worth more than a new Yugo.

Today, those cars, used, are worth far, far, more, than a Yugo.

And at least you can stop any of them on a bridge and not get blown off it by high wind.

Poor guy, One of his fans refuses to use his juice. No one else here is either. His precious Yugo is the joke of the auto industry. His, and his minions, knowledge of auto engineering is laughable.

Oh, I forgot. As I pointed out in another thread, a used Yugo goes for $10. So tell me miro, just where can I buy this $5 M3? I want to buy a few.

NATO did the world a huge favor when they bombed the factory.
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I can't believe anyone with any level of intelligence can even mention a Yugo as being even remotely good. That alone tells me to stay clear of his oil. He would have been better off never mentioning the word Yugo. Ask anyone who drove one what they thought of it. My dad and his buddy test drove one for S&G, he said pathetic would have been a tremendous compliment for it. They laughed all the way home from the dealership.

AD
Well the three have demostrated, again, their overall level of knowledge of oil and engineering.

A side note. How cool is this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38211262

General Motors Co. said Monday that buyers who order a 2011 Corvette Z06 or ZR1 can help assemble their cars' high-performance LS7 and LS9 engines. The automaker believes the program is the first of its kind in the industry.

How many Yugos can you buy for that, let alone the price of a ZR1?
Same here, I do about 5-6K in 6 months, and change the oil in June/December. Those months carried over from when I lived in NY, just before the heat, or real cold weather. It would be slightly lower on the stick but not enough to add any oil.

Still a qt in 6,000 miles is nothing. I'd think a little oil making it to the top of the cylinders is a good thing, especially if the car sits for days at a time before getting used again.

AD
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Originally posted by Trajan:

Malcolm Bricklin, he of the Bricklin SV1, wouldn't be satisfied until he had forced every American to walk to work. To that end, in 1985, he began importing the Yugo GV, which turned out to be the Mona Lisa of bad cars. Built in Soviet-bloc Yugoslavia, the Yugo had the distinct feeling of something assembled at gunpoint. The engines went ka-blooey, the electrical system — such as it was — would sizzle, and things would just fall off. Yugo. Or not.


They have value as a mistake, junk, garbage, trash, a POS, and a good laugh to collectors. For that people might spend nice money to have one now.

AD
quote:
Originally posted by ADFD1:
quote:
Originally posted by Trajan:

Malcolm Bricklin, he of the Bricklin SV1, wouldn't be satisfied until he had forced every American to walk to work. To that end, in 1985, he began importing the Yugo GV, which turned out to be the Mona Lisa of bad cars. Built in Soviet-bloc Yugoslavia, the Yugo had the distinct feeling of something assembled at gunpoint. The engines went ka-blooey, the electrical system — such as it was — would sizzle, and things would just fall off. Yugo. Or not.


They have value as a mistake, junk, garbage, trash, a POS, and a good laugh to collectors. For that people might spend nice money to have one now.

AD


One of those "they're so bad they're good" things. Like Ed Wood's "Plan 9 from Outer Space."
Senseless essay. But anyway you slice it, a quart of oil in 6k is well within limits, especially considering oil spray jets and low tension rings.

Mazda rotary engines spray oil into the chamber as well, and yet, he, or the other stooges, have nothing to say about it. But I digress.....

Yugos are garbage. On the top ten list of any respected commentator's list of worst cars. Even Bricklin gave up on them in favor of a Chinese car.

Worst car of the millennium according to Car Talk.
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Originally posted by Trajan:
Senseless essay. But anyway you slice it, a quart of oil in 6k is well within limits, especially considering oil spray jets and low tension rings.

Senseless my foot. Personally, I found it very interesting and informative. It's a real pity what North Americans must pay for vehicles. If it were not for the recent recession, we would be paying several thousands of dollars more than we already are.

That still doesn't change the fact that engine is poorly designed.
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Mazda rotary engines spray oil into the chamber as well, and yet, he, or the other stooges, have nothing to say about it. But I digress.....

Sorry, someone should have mentioned that.
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Yugos are garbage. On the top ten list of any respected commentator's list of worst cars. Even Bricklin gave up on them in favor of a Chinese car.

Try telling us something different instead of parroting AD.
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Worst car of the millennium according to Car Talk.

In its day, it had its place. Pity the auto makers won't give us much in the 10K range. I think there may be one or two offshore vehicles. If they did, they wouldn't be able to keep up. Sure does make you wonder...
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Two things:

inHaliburton
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Posted Jul 27, 10:10 AM Hide Post
This may eventually prove to be the best stuff since sliced bread, but with virtually no testing results, API ratings on their product, and documentation except that on the Synlube site, I wouldn't put this stuff in my engine, even for nothing. Remember Slick 50?

In the above post he will not put this stuff in his motor, and yet attacks anyone who questions it.

inHaliburton
Level 4 - 251 to 500 posts
Posted Jun 20, 6:22 PM Hide Post
Beats me how those who have no experience with a product can argue with those who have.

This post is self explainatory. So the question arises. Since he has no experience with a product, a BMW, why is he argueing with those who not only have experience with it, but own one?

Not really a problem then??????

In an earlier thread, he was shown to be a liar. (Find that thread you said I trashed yet? You know, the one you made up thinking no one would catch it? Too hard to check your facts first.) Now hypocrite can be added.

A hypocritical liar. A winning combination.
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Originally posted by Trajan:

In an earlier thread, he was shown to be a liar. catch it? Too hard to check your facts first.) Now hypocrite can be added.

A hypocritical liar. A winning combination.

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Trajan,you're talking only about yourself,and spot on.........the biggest liar on these boards! WE ALL KNOW IT!

You are the liar,the hypocrite,and the story teller. You were caught way back when you lied to annie_oakley!

You are the only one on these threads who got caught lying with that bogus story you fabricated saying your 'imaginary' neighbor was using Synlube,and sludged his engine!

WE ALL REMEMBER THAT FOOT IN THE MOUTH LIE YOU FIRST TOLD ANNIE!

STILL NO REBUTTAL...........NOW MANY MONTHS LATER.........LIAR!!!!!!

That was the day you lost any ounce of credibility you may have had.........now you have Zero...........like the oil my cars don't burn.........ZERO.....even at over 17k on just the oil.........and it's ZERO oil use!

My last buick had almost 180k,which I bought used with 100k,and it burned almost Zero....just to compare!


Just wondering...besides the oil burning,and the much needed engine flushes.........how much power has your car now lost due to lower compression in the engine now that it's cracked 100k...........they are known to lose quite a lot of power beyond 100k-like yours, and burn oil too,(like yours)......that is,when you use the 'approved' oil that barely meets a "minimal" spec,instead of something much,much better....and then ruin the engine with minimal 'approved oil'.....

You and I both know you have noticed a sizable loss of power from your engine and you are thinking of a rebuild to put the life back in that now........tired old,oil burning engine of yours.


Here let me help you start the process.....those Italian-(tune-ups) have worn out the engine...

http://www.bavengine.com/

Maybe you can get a new...'free'-engine/repair if you qualify.....

http://members.roadfly.com/jason/m3engines.htm
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Since there has been much talk about the Yugo..........here are some fun facts.......

http://www.slate.com/id/2241530/pagenum/2



It's the car that keeps on giving............

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.c...ty-interest-in-yugo/


http://wikicars.org/en/Fiat_127


quote........(Fiat 127=Yugo)

* In 1972 the Fiat 127, was the car of the year in Denmark, awarted by FDM.
* Also in 1972 it was named European Car of the year


Read more: Fiat 127 - Wikicars
Under Creative Commons License: Attribution
WOW !

Now I know why USED BMW are worth so much (relatively):

"In the event you received owner notification of this Service Action and neglect to have it performed within a reasonable period after notification, or choose not to have the Service Action performed, and the engine fails, the necessary repairs may not be covered under the terms of the warranty. The warranty does not cover damage, which results from negligence, improper operation of the vehicle, or improper maintenance."

How nice of BMW, and I bet they did not sent the letters by registered mail either !!!
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Miro: Improper maint would include using a non approve oil. I doubt Synlube was approved by BMW, and if he used your non approved oil and his engine failed you'd change addresses and vanish off the face of the earth.

A qt of oil used in 6000 miles is not an oil burner, get real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yugo is still viewed as GARBAGE, get real. Don't you see the pattern? Synlube/Yugo= ______________. I'm sure the members can fill in the blank.

AD
His disciple kirk's own links have stated using the wrong viscosity oil is bad.

This synlube, which VOAs have shown to not even be its advertised weight, is not on BMW's list. Or VW, Toyota, Nissan, Ford, Mercedes, GM, Ferarri, Chrysler, Honda, Holden, Jaguar, etc...

Even selling that liquid garbage at $32per, he couldn't afford the testing fees.

It isn't even on API's list.

I see he *still* fails to prove his allegations

I asked some bimmer guys about his comments:

"it's unreadable so I stopped after the first few sentences."

And the next comment:

"As are a lot of Internet diatribes. Seems that grammar and spelling are becoming a lost art. If the poster cannot construct a sentence and at least come close to properly spelling a word (nobody's perfect, so I make some allowances here, like seeing what keys on the keyboard are immediately next to the correct letter) then I don't put much faith in what they are writing about."

Let's see if my fans have the guts to go here: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=7 and tell them all that they're wrong.

Oh who am I kidding.... All three will get laughed off.
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Originally posted by Trajan:
And to show even further that they have no clue:



Speaks for itself.




You mean like this....

http://www.autohausaz.com/bmw-...mw-oil-pressure.html

http://www.dtmpower.net/forum/...6-m3-engine-oil.html

http://forums.bimmerforums.com...owthread.php?t=41116


Hey Trajan...........Looks like you didn't use.........MFG APPROVED OIL...

Here is a Quote regarding the correct-'MFG APPROVED OIL'..........(What you didn't use.).....OOPS!

"I just picked up my car last week (production dated 6/2002). The owner's manual, and everywhere else oil is discussed, states that 10w-60 should be used. I can't find this(OIL) anywhere!"

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/...wflat&Number=1682005


THAT'S RIGHT...NEVER SECOND GUESS THE MFG..........."THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING"........

http://www.m5board.com/vbullet...-noise-thoughts.html
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Poor Trajan. Boo hoo. So sad. How childish and immature you are.

Trajan wants us to go to some beamer site.

Show them a link to here and they will see what a goof and liar you are.

We can show them threads that will show them how you treat and detest women.

A link to that car belonging to a neighbour with the sludge engine from using Synlube.

How old are you?

You had better run along now, or you'll be late for kindergarten.

Well?
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inHaliburton
Level 4 - 251 to 500 posts
Posted Jun 20, 6:22 PM Hide Post
Beats me how those who have no experience with a product can argue with those who have.


Ironic how that comes in handy now. So the big question is.... Will he apply it to himself, miro, kirk? Being that none of them have experience with the M54 engine..... Knowing how he feels about that?

Nah, too much to expect of a hypocrit.

Oh, how the mechanics at both the dealer and the place I deal with laughed it up when I pointed out this thread.....

And when they read about Yugos and synlube..... brought the house down.
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Now, tell us all, Trajan, what personal experience have you had with a product that you have had no experience with, namely Synlube? Does that hold true for you, or just we non-beamers?

I suggest that if you were to use Synlube, that smoker if yours may just stop burning up oil.

And you would not have the need to use ARX to clean up that engine, too.

Seriously, think about it.
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Originally posted by Trajan:

Oh, how the mechanics at both the dealer and the place I deal with laughed it up when I pointed out this thread.....

And when they read about Yugos and synlube..... brought the house down.


Your insecurity and naiveté come shining through. Had to casually drop by the Beamership for reassurance. That must have been a knee slapper all right. We all wish that we could have been there to share.

Recess is over. Better run along now, or you will be late for cookies and juice.
Trajan quoted.

Mazda rotary engines spray oil into the chamber as well, and yet, he, or the other stooges, have nothing to say about it. But I digress.....

BK. quoted...
The mazda is different than yours. Piston engines spray(oil) the bottom of the piston crown,not the combustion chamber.

Trajan Quoted.....
[QUOTE ]Ahhhhhh. Thanks. I was thinking the top of the crown.[/QUOTE]


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Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:

That indeed is the "crowning" statement that in [b]so few words explains it all !!!

And do not forget to spike the oil with PEP !!!

That is REALLY what all the mechanics were laughing about ..........



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I cannot believe that someone(Trajan),even after having been on these oil sites for many years now... actually thought that a 4-stroke gasoline powered piston engine......sprayed oil into the combustion chamber onto the piston crown for whatever reason. Like I said.......no mechanical aptitude whatsoever,and that statement really proves it!



///Hey Trajan....... gasoline is also injected into the crankcase.....to--(prevent sludge)....(LOL)///


When Trajan was talking about STOOGES
. ........he was unwittingly referring to himself...


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Trajan quoted....

"Oh, how the mechanics at both the dealer and the place I deal with laughed it up when I pointed out this thread".....

Wow, TRAJAN..........I never go to any shops,because I never need to.......and now we find out you need not one,but TWO REPAIR SHOPS!!!!!!! WHAT KIND OF LEMON ARE YOU DRIVING??? No wonder the mechanics were laughing.................they saw it was pay-day again when you arrived and they were just overjoyed and couldn't stop laughing.......AGAIN!!!!!
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quote:
Originally posted by BLK98MK8LSC:
Regulations on VOC emissions here have made crankcase ventilation systems very effective moisture traps. CAFE standards are pushing manufacturers to spec lighter oils than they would otherwise use,even if only slightly. Non of these are deal breakers when all you have to do is change your oil to fix it. Forcing 100000 mile catalytic converter life at the expense of safe reliable engine wear protection and sabotaging older engines with mechanical valve trains is a piss poor use of government power,however well intentioned. The engineering responses to regulation are as varied as can be,some are successful,some not. BMW is not immune to this. The crank case ventilation system on some models can fail in very cold weather and suck all the crankcase oil into the intake manifold and cause engine destruction. Not the oils fault unless you count water trapped in it. When the water freezes the valve fails. These may be the failures your referring to.




All of the reasons stated is why it is ever more important to use the absolute best synthetics available,with the lowest Noack VOLATILITY NUMBERS....like SYNLUBE!

Many of the lubes,group III included,are still much to volatile.... almost 15%,and they simply burn off too much!

When these low quality lubes vaporize,not all of the vapors are burned off in the engine,like some would believe.

A portion of the vapors will precipitate out,especially when the engine is shut off,basically fogging the inside of the engine/emission components with oil and moisture,causing a sort of 'milkshake',that eventually chokes the engine to death in many cases!

This condition of 'fogging' occurs worse during the very hot summer seasons that cook off even more of the volatile oils into vapors,followed with fogging down a nice layer of oil,that the colder/damper winters eventually finish off with added moisture....creating the deadly milkshake syndrome,and then eventual engine death in some cases!

The engine,and emission systems are all clogged up and can't breathe,creating a vicious cycle that kills the engine!

NO AMOUNT OF 'ENGINE-FLUSHES' will fix.... the now clogged up emission ventilation system,the damage is done,and oil system flushes will not effect that system!!



By using a very low volatile,and high quality synthetic oil,this deadly cycle will never begin in the first place!

Remember,most of the sludge monsters(sludge lawsuits) occurred in the Northern,colder states.

Cars will also have sludge/varnish/coking,etc, in hot climates,so high quality synthetic is needed for sure in the heat!
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quote:
Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
Wow, TRAJAN..........I never go to any shops,because I never need to.......and now we find out you need not one,but TWO REPAIR SHOPS!!!!!!! WHAT KIND OF LEMON ARE YOU DRIVING??? No wonder the mechanics were laughing.................they saw it was pay-day again when you arrived and they were just overjoyed and couldn't stop laughing.......AGAIN!!!!!


Good catch, Kirk.

Those crack Beamership(s) service sales guys likely put him into an endless loop ARX cleaning cycle!

What a hoot!
You three want to attack me becaue I use the proper oil, fine.

You want to attack me becaue of a 1qt/6000 mile oil consumption, fine.

The people who design and build these engines don't have a problem with it.

The people who own these cars don't have a probelm with it.

The people who work on them don't have a problem with it.

No one, except you three, have a problem with it. Any of it.

Seperately, each of them have a wealth of experience you can't hope to match.

Together, it's so far ahead of yours that it you couldn't see it even using Hubble.

So, have at it, attack all you want. Whatever helps your collective inferiority complex, but you have neither the experience to bear listening to, or even a coherent position to come from. All you have is attacks. Poor ones at that.

My last post in this thread. Hopefully.
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Correction none of us have a problem with "it" as we do not own BMW, and nor do 82% of people who drive them, they know better they just LEASE BMW and the next one and next one.... NO worries NO concerns NO problems just making the $600 to $900 a month payments FOREVER……..

The few BMW "owners that get stuck with the second hand cars are those I truly feel sorry for!!!

Have you ever seen any BMW owner on any thread with one or two year car being concerned about anything? NO

They get FREE maintenance and then they just get another one 3 years later - that is the TRUE BMW ownership profile - and those guys and few women could not care less about jet sprays or oil consumption or anything else.

Still 5,000 or even 3,000 miles to a quart when the "typical" BMW is only serviced every 16,500 miles (national average according to BMW themselves) that may be bit too close to comfort on engine with 4.2 Liters of oil (well few have 7) - by simple math there is almost NO oil when the service indicator is on.

And some women do not think they need service until the RED OIL light is ON.

I actually know of one that did just that - one think I have to give credit to MW engine design is that the car still runs - but may be that is what is eating the connecting rod bearings, rather than "strange" combination of contamination and less than acceptable tolerances - that show up 25,000 to 30,000 miles AFTER the car was driven.

Does not BMW check any tolerance when the build the engine?

May be it is just running LOW and OUT of oil that is the real problem, which they just do NOT want to admit to.

Personally I have never seen or heard of engine that would run just fine and then 20,000 + miles latter would fail due to "contamination" during assembly!!!

That is about as believable as spraying oil on top of the piston crown, but of course some people did just that!!!
Recently (like few days ago) there was a news story about FORD Comet Caliente owned by this little old lady - that she claims she has driven over 500,000 miles.

She also apparently kept all the repair records and on the car that was but $2,500 and some change she spent reportedly $53,000 to keep running over the years.

Yet her claim to fame are lifetime warranties, so she keeps on getting FREE batteries, mufflers, brakes, etc.

But something NOT mentioned on the news story is that the 1965 FORDS had Gas Tank vented to the atmosphere, that is fumes would escape ALL THE TIME !!!

So this car in effect pollutes even when parked on a hot day as much as 2,750 new trucks would, or almost 14,200 PZEVS.

Now why should this old lady have the right to pollute the Air with Gasoline vapors ???
Something wrong with this picture !!!
quote:
Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:
Recently (like few days ago) there was a news story about FORD Comet Caliente owned by this little old lady - that she claims she has driven over 500,000 miles.

She also apparently kept all the repair records and on the car that was but $2,500 and some change she spent reportedly $53,000 to keep running over the years.

Yet her claim to fame are lifetime warranties, so she keeps on getting FREE batteries, mufflers, brakes, etc.

But something NOT mentioned on the news story is that the 1965 FORDS had Gas Tank vented to the atmosphere, that is fumes would escape ALL THE TIME !!!

So this car in effect pollutes even when parked on a hot day as much as 2,750 new trucks would, or almost 14,200 PZEVS.

Now why should this old lady have the right to pollute the Air with Gasoline vapors ???
Something wrong with this picture !!!



Great Find...

http://www.abc2news.com/dpp/li...k-mile-%22chariot%22


The pollution gasoline issue is because she was born.... before Al Gore??
quote:
FORD Comet Caliente


Well looks like the NEWS Dpt at NBC is getting desperate for stories apparently it is a re run of story from August 10 2009 done by FLORIDA affiliate, but was presented as "today" story !!!

The price was $3289.30 (with Factory A/C) !!!

So in theory if the average mileage is true the car should have today 12,000 more miles - but is she even still around ?

Too bad they did not bother to update the "story"......
WOW even better find Kirk !!!

So I kept on looking.....

But now I wonder why with so much honesty the invoices shown in Utube NBC and the ABC 2 story do not match in price ?

Why would someone bother to change the price and not even do a good job of erasing the previous one???

With that little discrepancy can you really trust that there are 500,000 more miles than the odo is not capable of showing ?

Or would 91 year Lady be less than honest ?

After all she only has driven 5K miles in a year, yet in another video she claims she is now driving the car MORE THAN EVER (like in every day) which she did not do when she was young and at home MOM.

Based on her "own" testimony the car should actually have 230,000 miles, or less !!!

The two claimed odo readings are 57,000 and 62,000 just about one year apart.

Ask any psychologist how would they read this statement:

"Well, she's never lied to me. She's never cheated on me," Veitch gushes. "And I can always depend on her. And that's the truth."

PS: I always probe below the surface on any sensational story,just my normal curiosity ....

4K average in last 17 years !!!

My husband traded in 1958 Lincoln for it

And then in 2009 in just 6 weeks the car gained 17,000 miles (from 540,000 to 557,000)

So what gives ???

July 12, 2010 East at Carlisle, PA 554,000 miles

July 14, 2010 Wauwatosa, WI 563,000 miles

July 15, 2010 She already has in her "book" page printed that proclaims 600,000 miles !!!

WOW she is an operator in a warp speed !!! (Could she be related to Trajan ???)

Well she wants to be on Jay Leno and see his collection of 120 cars, but she muct have started planning that the day Leno went on the air.......
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quote:
Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:
WOW even better find Kirk !!!

So I kept on looking.....

But now I wonder why with so much honesty the invoices shown in Utube NBC and the ABC 2 story do not match in price ?

Why would someone bother to change the price and not even do a good job of erasing the previous one???

With that little discrepancy can you really trust that there are 500,000 more miles than the odo is not capable of showing ?

Or would 91 year Lady be less than honest ?

After all she only has driven 5K miles in a year, yet in another video she claims she is now driving the car MORE THAN EVER (like in every day) which she did not do when she was young and at home MOM.

Based on her "own" testimony the car should actually have 230,000 miles, or less !!!

The two claimed odo readings are 57,000 and 62,000 just about one year apart.

Ask any psychologist how would they read this statement:

"Well, she's never lied to me. She's never cheated on me," Veitch gushes. "And I can always depend on her. And that's the truth."

PS: I always probe below the surface on any sensational story,just my normal curiosity ....

4K average in last 17 years !!!

My husband traded in 1958 Lincoln for it

And then in 2009 in just 6 weeks the car gained 17,000 miles (from 540,000 to 557,000)

So what gives ???

July 12, 2010 East at Carlisle, PA 554,000 miles

July 14, 2010 Wauwatosa, WI 563,000 miles

July 15, 2010 She already has in her "book" page printed that proclaims 600,000 miles !!!

WOW she is an operator in a warp speed !!! (Could she be related to Trajan ???)

Well she wants to be on Jay Leno and see his collection of 120 cars, but she muct have started planning that the day Leno went on the air.......



http://www.abc2news.com/dpp/li...k-mile-%22chariot%22



http://autos.aol.com/article/rachel-veitch-old-car/

Look out..............she's packin heat boys!!!!!!!!!!!!


Wow.......she's mechanical too!!

http://www.dipity.com/timeline...-Comet-Caliente/list



Looks like she drove 3k from roughly July 2009 to July 2010 ??

Car does Look Good for that vintage mercury,I'll give her that!

The odometer issue..............well,she is 91,or is she 92,or 93.......
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YUGO was the First car in 1985 to offer FREE 1 year or 12,000 miles maintenance, all you had to do is to bring it to the dealer and they did:

Look at the dipstick
Checked the Tire pressure (all 5 tires)
Cleaned the Windows
Checked Coolant and Brake Fluid Level
= Car was serviced


The FIRST oil change was at 15,000 miles - so bit of "trick" but in 1985 people really believed back then that 3 months or 3,000 miles is all they can go between services - which then also included spark plugs changes.

Of course YUGO had BOSCH electronic Ignition and a Platinum plugs (BOSCH or ISKRA), so no Spark Plug Changes either.

Indeed there was no major anything for 4 years or 40,000 miles (the Warranty lenght) to be done, that is why YUGO America could offer this.

At 40,000 you changed the Air Filter, Fuel Filter and the Timing Belt and the Water Pump and Alternator Belt. The 40,000 miles service to experienced mechanic took total of 45 minutes and was under $120 parts and labor.

75% of YUGO owner's NEVER did this recommended service !!! And just waited until the belt(s) broke usualy 5 to 7 years since manufacture.

The ZASTAVA OEM Oil was SAE 10W-50 made by Jugopetrol and licensed from CASTROL GB = Synthetic of course PAO and POE blend.

In 1985 it was the ONLY car sold in USA with Synthetic Motor Oil as OEM fill, but unfortunately when Imported as part of the car there was only 1.8% import duty.

But if shipped separately there was 34% import tax on finished lubes, that is why there was no OEM YUGO Oil at the dealers. Also OCCIDENTAL Petroleum had exclusive deal with Yugoslav Government so the oil could not be imported except through them, and unfortunately Mr. Hammer almost had a stroke the frst time he saw YUGO so that was not about to happen....

Because of the Warranty Act in USA Yugo America did not insist that the OEM Oil is used by Dealers for eventual servicing at 15,000 miles.

But once the OEM Oil was changed the service interval was 6 months or 6,000 miles with API SF motor oil.

API SF was YUGO recomended, when most oils on market at that time were SE or SD rated.

Since the YUGO engine was based on 1960's FIAT design it was quite tollerant of poor quality oils.

And NO it did NOT burn Oil !!!
SynLube was used in the 1984 cars that had 850 ccm engines and were planned for Southern California ONLY (the contract with ZASTAVA was for 5,000 units) they also had BOSCH EFI (same as that on FIAT & BERTONE X1/9 since 1979) but when Bicklin bought the distribution rights for REST of the USA, he decided to cheap out the car and put in a carburetor and just to have the same torque and power they had to up the engine to 1.1L so not really a smart move. As the car lost 10 MPG by doing so and was only 5 MPH faster (top speed).

As a result there were not 1984 or 1985 cars sold in California (they could not meet the emissions levels under the 5 year certification standards with a carburetor).

The YUGO 45 was the car for $4,500 with 10 year and 100,000 miles Warranty and FREE maintenance (due to SynLube) GOT ALL THE INITIAL PUBLICITY and started the YUGO-mania, but that never really happened and in 1992 KIA and latter HYUNDAI adopted the 10 year Warranty Idea.

So like it or not YUGO did start lot of "new" trends that still live on today in the Auto Industry in one way or another.

I doubt BMW and latter Mercedes would have given people FREE maintenance if YUGO did not do that FIRST.........

While due to US embargo YUGO went oout of business in 1992, it was made in Serbia till December 2008 - over 800,000 of them were made of which 167,000 were sold in USA.

SO not exactly a "failure" as some may think !!!
quote:
ADFD1


Point is YOU have never owned YUGO and probably never driven one either so in any legal proceding your testimony would be ruled as "hearsay" that is of NO LEGAL VALUE:

hearsay n. 1) second-hand evidence in which the witness is not telling what he/she knows personally, but what others have said to him/her. 2) a common objection made by the opposing lawyer to testimony, when it appears the witness has violated the hearsay rule. 3) scuttlebutt or gossip.
quote:
Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:
quote:
US Navy


Come to think of it were not the pilots that were stationed in Aviano that bombed the ZASTAVA factory - your guys ?

And gee they also blown up and killed some Chinese diplomats by "mistake" while they were at it !

I do not think that is a way to keep people on US mainland too safe.....

OR did you forget that part of history already as well ?

After all the ZASTAVA factory was a significiant military traget as it used to make hand guns in 1920......

But someone forgot it was 1999 and was making cars since 1953 - OUPSSSS..... another "minor" mistake......

Ya let's keep us SAFE !!!!


I have to pick my words carefully, so let me just say you are a FOOL, a TOTAL FOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Here's a suggestion fool, if you don't like it here in the US leave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We don't need you! Maybe you can push your crap in Afghanistan, Iraq, or China. I'm sure they'll listen.

AD
What I can't stand most about SynLube and even Amsoil at times, is the way it's pushed.

It takes me 25 minutes to change the oil on my car. I can buy the oil I need, that was approved to be used, from $12-$25, depending on what I want to spend. My cars will last a minimum of 200-300k miles. By then, the doors will be falling off and I'll want something new.

My brother has a Toyota sludge V6 Solara. He bought it with 30k miles. It now has 250k miles using nothing but Mobil 1 with 8k-10k mile drain intervals.
quote:
Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:
quote:
ADFD1

And OH Don't forget - you hate French too, may be you should send back the Lady Liberty, but then this was a nice gesture too:



Fool- Where did it say I hated anyone? Don't put words in print you can't back up, OK? Seems you went off the deep end. Chill, and as stated if you don't like the USA get out!!!!!!!!!!! Trust me we'll get along just fine without you. Remember you need us we don't need fools like you!!!!!!

Try pushing your oil elsewhere in the world.

AD
I was able to get this info from a former arx member who still has access to there forum.

These are the number of arx customers by country.

1) U.S.A. 807 users
2) Canada 61 users
3) India 5 users
4) Mexico 3 users
5) Australia 5 users
6) Malaysia 2 users
7) Poland 1 user
8) Sweden 1 user
9) Norway 3 users
10)England 6 users
11) Philippines 5 users

Going back to 2002, there have been 34 ARX Threads that have been LOCKED.

2010 = 4
2009 = 6
2008 = 4
2007 = 1
2006 = 4
2005 = 8
2004 = 4
2003 = 3
2002 = 0

Miro, you need to be careful, look what happened with the owner of auto-rx, he was banned from BITOG as a sponsor and because of his reckless posts he only has 899 customers and 34 auto-rx threads were LOCKED on BITOG.

The only reason why there were no Locked arx threads in 2002 was that some people were using it and did not realize the product was not working, many members complained about arx not working in 2003 and the owner of arx fought with members for another 6 years before getting BANNED, and now he has his cronies fighting for him.

Miro, don't make the same mistakes that the owner of auto-rx has made over the years, you are better person than that, I hope.
Bear, how could you compare that Fool to the owner of A-rX? At least the man (A-rX owner) has some class and a small customer base. I bet he also loves his country, and would never trash it on an open forum. Great way to sell product and win customers over. Pointless bringing A-rX up in this thread. Sorry man!

Miro: I stand corrected I do hate a few things: liars, cheats, thieves, con artists who use the internet to shill garbage, and spew false information, then attack people for not believing them. Ring a bell?

AD
I hate to go over to the dark side ,but that kind of piss ant personal shot at ADFD1 and the military serves no purpose that will stand up to the light of day. NO use what so ever on this board. Why noria and the moderator here lets this internet scam continue here is beyond my understanding. If this is all this board is good for then noria would be better off deleting the car and truck forum completely.
Maybe miro doesn't get it. Scratch that, there is no maybe.

While he does have the right to criticize this country, it's only because said right is constantly being paid for by the service of the millions who served this country.

Those who came before AD. Those who are with AD. Those who will come after AD retires.

And the hundreds of thousands who paid the ultimate price to support and defend the Constitution that spells out that right.

Lucky for you miro, that if you said that face to face too a member of the US Armed Forces, they have to much discipline to give you the beating you deserve.

This is not the place for this kind of galling crap. (My brother, who served on a FFG back in the early 80's, just shook his head at miro's garbage when I showed him this.)
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quote:
Originally posted by ADFD1:
He does have that right, he also has the right to leave here. My best guess is he'll piss and moan and stay right here. Typical!!!!!!!

Turst me any man in uniform would love to put the gloves on with him after reading this and teach him some respect. The only problem is we'd be in a world of S*.*t for it.

AD


Oh I know. And if I saw it happen, I'd deny it to the MPs/SP, whoever. The best we can do is excersize our right to say just how much of a spineless, insufferable, scam artist he is.

And if his two minions stand aside and let him, then, then we'll know their caliber too.

All this nonsense because we don't buy into synlube/yugo hogwash like the others.....
quote:
Originally posted by Trajan:


Oh I know. And if I saw it happen, I'd deny it to the MPs/SP, whoever. .....


Most people would. If were in a club I hang at I would probably have a nice safe exit, since my bouncer friends would swear he fell.

Honestly it ain't worth it. He's probably some old grouch just looking for attention and is flexing keyboard muscle.

AD
quote:
Originally posted by ADFD1:
Bear, how could you compare that Fool to the owner of A-rX? At least the man (A-rX owner) has some class and a small customer base. I bet he also loves his country, and would never trash it on an open forum. Great way to sell product and win customers over. Pointless bringing A-rX up in this thread. Sorry man!

Miro: I stand corrected I do hate a few things: liars, cheats, thieves, con artists who use the internet to shill garbage, and spew false information, then attack people for not believing them. Ring a bell?

AD


AD, the same things you are attacking Miro with you can also attack auto-rx. I got an e-mail from a former arx user who used the product and it did not stop his oil leak, he tried to get his money back and he was not successfull, he ended up using some HM Oil and it stopped his leak.

I do not think it is pointless bringing auto-rx into this thread, we already have Synlube here, this fighting with Miro and Synlube is getting real old, how many people are going to buy his expensive oil, very few people.

Yet we have people with dirty engines and I think they need to here everything about auto-rx just like they need to here everything about Synlube, have we seen any documented proof of an engine failure from someone using Synlube, we sure have seen pics of valvetrains where auto-rx did nothing.

It seems you hate a few things about someone spewing false information then attacking people for not believing them, that is auto-rx.

You have to realize the average arx customer finds out his engine is leaking, blowing smoke, burning oil, or it is just plain dirty, they are in a desperate situation and they fall prey to auto-rx's sales tactics.

If you think the arx owner has some class then why not use the product and when you get no results and you ask for your money back and do not get it, then you can come back and tell us how much class the arx owner really has.
quote:
Big Bear


Someojne on BOB the OIL GUY asked about SAE 5W-20 oil just a simple question and that resulted in 4 pages of SynLube bashing, the poor guy did not even now that SynLube existed !!!

But now he has just ordered SynKit for his Accord V-6.

His reasoning if people hate something so badly, they must be affraid of something, like having the oil they now use becoming totally obsolete.

So keep it up it actually does sell SynLube !!!
quote:
Originally posted by ADFD1:
Bear you're missing the point. He attacked the Military and is taking pokes at the country. What does that have to do with A-rX?

AD

Ah Miro a fool and his money, that is if there is even any truth to your story.


AD, he is trying to upset you and get more people to post in this thread, this is Miro's way of getting some publicity, of course he is doing it the wrong way.

ARX may not attack the country, but arx does attack there customers, does Miro attack his customers.
For all the Yugo haters,brace yourself,here it comes..............

http://seekingalpha.com/articl...-s-nano-the-new-yugo


Those cheap economy cars never really go away,they just get reincarnated......along with the economy.....

http://tatacars.blogspot.com/2...etition-to-nano.html

"The car is at the center of an industrial rights controversy, since GM have claimed that it is very similar to the Chevrolet Spark/Daewoo Matiz. GM executives have proved that the doors of the Chery car can be mounted on the Chevrolet Spark without modification, and Car and Driver, an automobile magazine, even calls it "a copy". "


Here is a list of cars that are, 'History',including the Yugo. Kinda depressing!

http://www.chicagonow.com/blog...ued-cars-trivia.html


You can add Mercury to the list too!

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06...iness/03mercury.html


The not-to-distant future of the Auto industry.........

http://webcache.googleusercont...=us&client=firefox-a



Trajans next car..........(He will be begging for a used Yugo)

http://wizbangblue.com/images/...electric_car_new.jpg
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quote:
Originally posted by ADFD1:
Bear you're missing the point. He attacked the Military and is taking pokes at the country. What does that have to do with A-rX?

AD

Ah Miro a fool and his money, that is if there is even any truth to your story.


I got this far catching up from a few days ago.

AD, I read what Miro said. I took it as being a history lesson, or facts. I have no idea if it is true or not. If true, well, there you have it. I did not get the impression that he was insulting you or the US military. I have the greatest respect for you men and women, and our men and women in our military, too.

We lost another soldier yesterday. I don't know if you people down there are aware, but our "heroes" are returned to Canada in a military aircraft that lands in Trenton, Ontario, a military air base. The body is transported by hearse in a procession of many cars and police escort to the morgue in Toronto for autopsy, which is about 200 miles along the 401 highway. This major highway runs east and west from Detroit to the Quebec border, and has been re-named, "The Highway of Heroes." EVERY bridge along the route is cleared of traffic by the OPP, our provincial police force, like your State police. The progress of the procession is broadcast on radio stations and television, so people know approximately when the procession will pass under a particular bridge in their area. The family of the fallen hero is present in one or more of the vehicles. These bridge tops gradually fill up with individuals, police vehicles, fire trucks from the nearby local towns. Most people have Canadian flags and the firefighters stand on the roofs of their trucks holding our a flag and saluting as the procession passes underneath. Ambulances with personnel are also present to pay their respects. Dozens and dozens of bridges along the 200 mile route are filled with people. People cheer, wave, salute, cry, etc. Police, firefighters, military personnel salute as the large procession of vehicles pass beneath them. I have been fortunate to observe a couples of these events. The police clear traffic from in front of the procession, and do not allow cars to enter the highway until the procession has passed. It's a very moving and personal experience that the common person can participate. This showing of love and respect happens spontaneously with every Hero who is being repatriated. This young man was Hero number 151. Canadians are very proud of our military people.
inHaliburton- I have no problems with you at all, Miro OTOH is a FOOL and has proven it many times over.

I have many Canadian friends, all heros in my book. A fine bunch of people that I'm proud to know and serve with.

My point is because of my sig line a FOOL goes off on a tangent. His so called history lesson has nothing at all to do in an oil forum, but when a person is sick and desperate all bets are off. It is not helping his sales, even though he might think it is.

AD
quote:
Originally posted by Trajan:
Who is the more foolish? The fool, or the fools who follow him?


quote:
Originally posted by Trajan:
You three want to attack me becaue I use the proper oil, fine.

You want to attack me becaue of a 1qt/6000 mile oil consumption, fine.

The people who design and build these engines don't have a problem with it.

The people who own these cars don't have a probelm with it.

The people who work on them don't have a problem with it.

No one, except you three, have a problem with it. Any of it.

Seperately, each of them have a wealth of experience you can't hope to match.

Together, it's so far ahead of yours that it you couldn't see it even using Hubble.

So, have at it, attack all you want. Whatever helps your collective inferiority complex, but you have neither the experience to bear listening to, or even a coherent position to come from. All you have is attacks. Poor ones at that.

My last post in this thread. Hopefully.


Hey Trajan, you were whining about being attacked recently. You aren't very swift.

You are upset because you bought that used smoker from a Beamership or from a fellow Yuppie. No joy there.

Ya, sure, you re using ARX just because you want to. Wink
inHaliburton- I honestly believe you don't think a BMW using a qt of oil in 6K miles is a smoker/oil burner do you? I also believe deep down you know that Sinlube is a hoax. I mean after all that address, location, Top Secret location BS that was posted months back. I believe you are better than that, I really do man! No hard feelings I hope, just a gut feeling I have about you. I just think you like to bust'em that's all! Smile If so I'm cool with that. Trajan's ride if a far cry from a Yugo clunker POS.

AD
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