Kirk do you believe the Yugo was a solid investment back in the day?
A better investment than a BMW?
How many other people here felt the Yugo was a solid investment? Or a POS like most Americans viewed it as and still do? We're not talking investment value as a classic, or colossal mistake.
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This drama-queen cat fight isn't even remotely interesting anymore and I'm not sure if it was ever informative.
Use a fighting-grade oil & change every 3 months or use a high-quality syn (no PIB, no GrpIII, no plasticizer) and extend your drain based on hard data of some sort, or fall somewhere in between. It may all come down to how you drive your vehicle. Maybe there's not a one-size-fits-all solution? Maybe the path you choose is all a matter of personal and/or lifestyle preference and doesn't really say much about your moral or intellectual character?
Maybe any of those approaches, taken thoroughly & responsibly, will allow your engine to outlast the rest of your chassis?
Henry Ford used to send engineers to the junkyards buy & tear apart old Fords to see which parts were still in good shape. Then FoMoCo would design a less robust version for the next iteration. He didn't see the point of throwing quality away. I don't get the obsession with making sure the engine is pristine when the rest of the rusting hulk is towed to the junkyard.
If this is the most important thing you guys have to argue about, I'd trade problems with any of you straight up.
Use a fighting-grade oil & change every 3 months or use a high-quality syn (no PIB, no GrpIII, no plasticizer) and extend your drain based on hard data of some sort, or fall somewhere in between. It may all come down to how you drive your vehicle. Maybe there's not a one-size-fits-all solution? Maybe the path you choose is all a matter of personal and/or lifestyle preference and doesn't really say much about your moral or intellectual character?
Maybe any of those approaches, taken thoroughly & responsibly, will allow your engine to outlast the rest of your chassis?
Henry Ford used to send engineers to the junkyards buy & tear apart old Fords to see which parts were still in good shape. Then FoMoCo would design a less robust version for the next iteration. He didn't see the point of throwing quality away. I don't get the obsession with making sure the engine is pristine when the rest of the rusting hulk is towed to the junkyard.
If this is the most important thing you guys have to argue about, I'd trade problems with any of you straight up.
quote:Originally posted by Trajan: ON JULY 18TH @ 8:02 AM..
NATO did the world a huge favor when they bombed the factory.
I did miss that opening remark by Trajan, Kirk. I hope that it is now realized under what context Miro's reply was made.
Thanks for clearing that up, Kirk.
quote:Originally posted by Deltona_Dave:
Sorry, Just have to laugh at this one! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...2lJI&feature=related.
Sounds just like my old 96 Ram 2500 with the Cummins B5.9 and Bosch 7100 injector pump! Great engine, rest of truck was junk.
Dave
The VANOS seals last about 30K miles or so. http://www.drvanos.com/ has the solution.
It is not the place of the courts to declare a product garbage, The marketplace determined Yugos are garbage a decade ago or so.
I think this is what he meant to say: "Now send me ONE FACT that can in court of law prove beyond any doubt that YUGO is not a GARBAGE !!!
Synth oil is overkill for many apps. No reason to use it if your engine is not spec'd for it.
Good dino/synth oil, along with a reasonable OCI, along with the use of a good filter, and routine maintainenece, goes a long way towards sludge prevention. And a good engine design doesn't hurt either.
Isn't the oil's fault if you run extended drains. Or if you run the wrong viscosity. Or an obsolete spec.
Isn't the oil's fault if you don't fix those leaking head/intake maniflod gaskets. Or never check your PCV.
It isn't the oil's fault if you fail to check the dipstick.
It's the fault of the cheap nut who owns it.
I think this is what he meant to say: "Now send me ONE FACT that can in court of law prove beyond any doubt that YUGO is not a GARBAGE !!!
Synth oil is overkill for many apps. No reason to use it if your engine is not spec'd for it.
Good dino/synth oil, along with a reasonable OCI, along with the use of a good filter, and routine maintainenece, goes a long way towards sludge prevention. And a good engine design doesn't hurt either.
Isn't the oil's fault if you run extended drains. Or if you run the wrong viscosity. Or an obsolete spec.
Isn't the oil's fault if you don't fix those leaking head/intake maniflod gaskets. Or never check your PCV.
It isn't the oil's fault if you fail to check the dipstick.
It's the fault of the cheap nut who owns it.
Seems at leat 3 of us agree using a qt of oil in 6K miles is no big deal, a qt in 4000 miles would be no big deal either. Try taking a new car in for warranty work and tell the service writer you used a qt of oil in 4000 miles and see what he tells you. They will do nothing unless they see an oil leak.
Imgaine what a Yugo dealer would have said back in the day? LOL
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quote:Originally posted by Deltona_Dave:
All engines use oil, just some more than others.
Around the year 1963 I got out of racing, sold my ride. I needed a cheap ride so bought a 1930 something Chev, had running boards, suicide doors, stick coming right out of the tranny, and a back seat that was like a sofa. Can't remember the year, but it cost me $50. Every Saturday I would drive to Yonge St. and Lawrence Ave. in Toronto to a gas station that sold bulk oil out of large steel drums for .90 per gallon. I went through a gallon of 30 weight oil every week.
quote:This drama-queen cat fight isn't even remotely interesting anymore and I'm not sure if it was ever informative.
SURE IT'S NOT INTERESTING!!! That's why you're still posting...oh the boredom is just too much to bear!!!
Kirk, I suggest you back off Lamont, he knows a lot more than you do. He has no agenda, and he's respected here. he's not considered a joke like you and your teacher are.
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quote:They stand on a wall and say "Nothing's going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch."
That above quote,Trajan(now number-xxxxx),reminds me of Jack Nicholson in.......'The shining' where he wrote over,and over,"all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy"..... Yes,he was crazy in that movie!!!
HERE'S.........TRAJAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v..._5O4&feature=related
I love my Ford.
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quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:
I love my Ford.
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I LOVE MY JEEP,MUSTANG,AND MY VW,ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE ENGINES ARE NOW SOOOOOOO.......SWEET!!!
quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:
Kirk, I suggest you back off Lamont, he knows a lot more than you do. He has no agenda, and he's respected here. he's not considered a joke like you and your teacher are.
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Nothing against Lamont.
However,he is against anything better than status-quo for the typical "Grocery getter"-as he calls it!
I,on the other hand, have never settled for status quo,especially when there is something much better,and the norm has failed many motorists based on the facts,and history!!!
Shop cars, train station cars, grocery getters, or old beaters I always felt should get maintained but there is no point spending top $ on oil. Save the big $ oil for the best cars of the fleet. Besides in most applications the entire car will rot and fall apart long before the engine fails, unless the engine is a poor design or specifically calls for synthetic oil. This has been proven time and time again. Most car buffs spend more than they have to for oil and filters. Proper maint, and proper intervals for changing oil is the key to long engine life.
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quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:
Shop cars, train station cars, grocery getters, or old beaters I always felt should get maintained but there is no point spending top $ on oil. Save the big $ oil for the best cars of the fleet. Besides in most applications the entire car will rot and fall apart long before the engine fails, unless the engine is a poor design or specifically calls for synthetic oil. This has been proven time and time again. Most car buffs spend more than they have to for oil and filters. Proper maint, and proper intervals for changing oil is the key to long engine life.
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It has been proven time and time and ......... time, again.
But due to the reasons pointed out by BLK above, it just does not register with some.
All this nonsense that conventional oil is bad, or causes sludge, is just that, nonsense.
Cars still come factory filled with it. Oil companies still make it. Millions of cars still run on it.
Using synth oil along with 3-5k oil changes or when your engine doesn't call for it is like using 93oct in an engine that calls for 87.
Certainly using synth in a Yugo is throwing money away.
quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
It has been proven time and time and ......... time, again.
But due to the reasons pointed out by BLK above, it just does not register with some.
All this nonsense that conventional oil is bad, or causes sludge, is just that, nonsense.
Cars still come factory filled with it. Oil companies still make it. Millions of cars still run on it.
Using synth oil along with 3-5k oil changes or when your engine doesn't call for it is like using 93oct in an engine that calls for 87.
Certainly using synth in a Yugo is throwing money away.
I agree and time and time again my father and uncle have proven it to me. Synthetic oil has its place but it is not for everyone. Especially in the beater class of cars.
I'd like to add to your comment about using synthetic oil in a Yugo is throwing away money. Using anything in a Yugo including gas was throwing away money. Simply buying one was a waste of cash. There were cars in the day with 100,000 miles or more on them that were still better than a new Yugo. My dad told me a funny story about a test drive he did in one of them. Garbage/Junk was a compliment!
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Current mineral engine oil formulations are hardly 'status quo' compared to those of decades past. Additive & base oil technology are constantly improving. Used properly, minerals will serve a great majority of automotive applications effectively.
Synthetics have their place, but that place is primarily in industrial formulations, which is where the real severe service applications live. I have a real hard time envisioning a unit that typically operates maybe 4-5 hours out of 24 as 'severe service', the psychology of marketing notwithstanding.
Sorry if I hurt the feelings of any latent adolescents when I call their dream supercars 'grocery-getters', but that's the reality. Severity of service is about actual service, not engineering. You're most likely running to the Wawa more often than you are running in the Paris to Dakar road rally.
Synthetics have their place, but that place is primarily in industrial formulations, which is where the real severe service applications live. I have a real hard time envisioning a unit that typically operates maybe 4-5 hours out of 24 as 'severe service', the psychology of marketing notwithstanding.
Sorry if I hurt the feelings of any latent adolescents when I call their dream supercars 'grocery-getters', but that's the reality. Severity of service is about actual service, not engineering. You're most likely running to the Wawa more often than you are running in the Paris to Dakar road rally.
walah........after 15pages should we discuss this 4life again?.......
enoch
QUOTE]Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
Nothing against Lamont.
However,he is against anything better than status-quo for the typical "Grocery getter"-as he calls it!
I,on the other hand, have never settled for status quo,especially when there is something much better,and the norm has failed many motorists based on the facts,and history!!![/QUOTE]
enoch
QUOTE]Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:
Kirk, I suggest you back off Lamont, he knows a lot more than you do. He has no agenda, and he's respected here. he's not considered a joke like you and your teacher are.
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Nothing against Lamont.
However,he is against anything better than status-quo for the typical "Grocery getter"-as he calls it!
I,on the other hand, have never settled for status quo,especially when there is something much better,and the norm has failed many motorists based on the facts,and history!!![/QUOTE]
quote:Originally posted by enochca:
Nothing against Lamont.
However,he is against anything better than status-quo for the typical "Grocery getter"-as he calls it!
Does look that way.
Especially as no one in this thread has a "super car". Pet or otherwise.
LS-9 - Syn Because it is my pet CPA CFOs and she wants it that way
Hemi - Syn, Because I want it that way to make me feel better about my extended drain intervals. In this case, it pays.
'Glide. Syn in the crankcaase because it is air cooled and hot. Needs it. The other 2 reservoirs, mineral or semi syn gear lube. Good for 5,000 miles crank and 20,000 in primary and tranny.
Kids cars. -Good mineral. They need the life experience of keeping up with it.
Lawn crap, are you kidding me!.....
But, bottom line, Lamont is right. They're grocery getters except for that few weeks a year when my truck goes to the beach and lives in 4 WD full time.
Hemi - Syn, Because I want it that way to make me feel better about my extended drain intervals. In this case, it pays.
'Glide. Syn in the crankcaase because it is air cooled and hot. Needs it. The other 2 reservoirs, mineral or semi syn gear lube. Good for 5,000 miles crank and 20,000 in primary and tranny.
Kids cars. -Good mineral. They need the life experience of keeping up with it.
Lawn crap, are you kidding me!.....
But, bottom line, Lamont is right. They're grocery getters except for that few weeks a year when my truck goes to the beach and lives in 4 WD full time.
I use which ever type the engine calls for.
This one gets synth for that reason.
All the others get/got dino for the same reason.
No $32 "oil" for me.
This one gets synth for that reason.
All the others get/got dino for the same reason.
No $32 "oil" for me.
Given that there is a significant personal preference aspect to all of this, there are plenty of legitmate holes to poked in my personal preference (perfection being conceptually impossible in our current sphere of existence). I'm just not sure I've read any of them in this thread.
Air-cooled engines, depending on how they are used, could approach 'severe', as could the vehicle used for two solid weeks in 4WD. (Did I hear it would be in sand?)
Air-cooled engines, depending on how they are used, could approach 'severe', as could the vehicle used for two solid weeks in 4WD. (Did I hear it would be in sand?)
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Air-cooled engines, depending on how they are used, could approach 'severe'...
Precisely why I use a synthetic oil in my air-cooled Kawasaki mower engine. Just over 700 hours on the clock and runs like a top.
quote:Originally posted by Lamont B Dumont:
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Air-cooled engines, depending on how they are used, could approach 'severe', as could the vehicle used for two solid weeks in 4WD. (Did I hear it would be in sand?)
Yep, a nice little secluded beach. My actual max is 9 days with no asphalt.
But sooner or later, you run out of something and have to go to town.
And a few hours later, back to Nirvana
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lamont B Dumont:
Synthetics have their place, but that place is primarily in industrial formulations, which is where the real severe service applications live. I have a real hard time envisioning a unit that typically operates maybe 4-5 hours out of 24 as 'severe service', the psychology of marketing notwithstanding.
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Most vehicles on the road are considered(by the pros) to be driven severe,contrary to what you just said!!
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Industrial being the primary place for synthetic you say??
Where is that coming from?? Many heavy duty industrial applications use mineral oil because of their very massive oil sump capacities,oil pre-lube/pre-heat systems,fuel pre-heat systems,by-pass filtration systems,overall heavy duty design, and heavy duty/more than adequate cooling systems...all of which allows for mineral oil.
Industrial applications benefit from continuous run cycles,no dry starts,no condensation issues,no endless warm up/cool down thermal cycles,etc,etc. Massive diesel engines in industry don't really need synthetic the way a modern day hot running car engine does.
I bet this ship in the link below didn't have synthetic oil......
http://www.solomonstarnews.com...ns-out-of-engine-oil
Railroad engine oil is not synthetic..
http://www.chevron.com/product...EngineOilreprint.pdf
Ironically,it's the smaller applications that are far harder on oil than say...a ship or even a train engine.
My lawn mower,and pressure washer manuals recommend synthetic oil. Many new cars are coming from the factory with synthetic oil! All of the sludging issues and lawsuits were with the auto industry,not typically industrial.
I don't know what world you are living in,but I live in the real world and deal with real world facts....NOT OPINIONS!!! I have posted dozens of links to show the proof. Here is another!!
http://www.industrysearch.com....ill-your-engine-4536
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lamont B Dumont:
Current mineral engine oil formulations are hardly 'status quo' compared to those of decades past.
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Lamont,By definition,and by their own admission,current mineral oil(API))........IS STATUS QUO--AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT IN HISTORY!
There is no other definition for mineral oil,because it meets minimum standards..................therefore it is just that........status quo!!
The definition of status quo is not,nor never was... the referencing of past-to-present like you are doing with the statement.."decades past".
Synthetics have their place, but that place is primarily in industrial formulations, which is where the real severe service applications live. I have a real hard time envisioning a unit that typically operates maybe 4-5 hours out of 24 as 'severe service', the psychology of marketing notwithstanding.
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Most vehicles on the road are considered(by the pros) to be driven severe,contrary to what you just said!!
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Industrial being the primary place for synthetic you say??
Where is that coming from?? Many heavy duty industrial applications use mineral oil because of their very massive oil sump capacities,oil pre-lube/pre-heat systems,fuel pre-heat systems,by-pass filtration systems,overall heavy duty design, and heavy duty/more than adequate cooling systems...all of which allows for mineral oil.
Industrial applications benefit from continuous run cycles,no dry starts,no condensation issues,no endless warm up/cool down thermal cycles,etc,etc. Massive diesel engines in industry don't really need synthetic the way a modern day hot running car engine does.
I bet this ship in the link below didn't have synthetic oil......
http://www.solomonstarnews.com...ns-out-of-engine-oil
Railroad engine oil is not synthetic..
http://www.chevron.com/product...EngineOilreprint.pdf
Ironically,it's the smaller applications that are far harder on oil than say...a ship or even a train engine.
My lawn mower,and pressure washer manuals recommend synthetic oil. Many new cars are coming from the factory with synthetic oil! All of the sludging issues and lawsuits were with the auto industry,not typically industrial.
I don't know what world you are living in,but I live in the real world and deal with real world facts....NOT OPINIONS!!! I have posted dozens of links to show the proof. Here is another!!
http://www.industrysearch.com....ill-your-engine-4536
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lamont B Dumont:
Current mineral engine oil formulations are hardly 'status quo' compared to those of decades past.
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Lamont,By definition,and by their own admission,current mineral oil(API))........IS STATUS QUO--AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT IN HISTORY!
There is no other definition for mineral oil,because it meets minimum standards..................therefore it is just that........status quo!!
The definition of status quo is not,nor never was... the referencing of past-to-present like you are doing with the statement.."decades past".
quote:Industrial being the primary place for synthetic you say??
Where is that coming from??"
Just a wild guess, absolutely nothing to do with 35 years in the lube business in assignments ranging from analytical testing, formulation, technical service, quality control, quality assurance, blending, bulk shipping, on the bench, in the office, on the dock, on the loading rack and other stuff and places I only dimly remember now.
As far as what gets used (and mis-used) where, 10 years of tech service gave me the least useful knowledge. Back in those days, industrial problems were work. Personal automotive 'problems' were comic relief. (Since you appear pretty humorless, I feel obliged to reveal there was sarcasm in the above.)
quote:Industrial applications benefit from continuous run cycles,no dry starts,no condensation issues,no endless warm up/cool down thermal cycles,etc,etc. Massive diesel engines in industry don't really need synthetic the way a modern day hot running car engine does.
There is less a one-size-fits-all description of industrial applications than for personal automotive applications. You are truly displaying an astounding ignorance here. We could fill the CRC Handbook of Lubrication with only what you don't know and it wouldn't be much thinner.
Wind turbine gearboxes (actually most industrial gearboxes, period) down-hole hydraulics, a significant chunk of refinery circulating systems, anything on the deck of ship, and that's just what comes quickly to mind while still on my first cup of coffee.
As you rant, synthetics are being developed for gas turbines. Synthetics are making inroads in paper machine applications. Because of the 'out-of-sight-out-of-mind' aspect, lots of conventional hydraulic systems are going syn (yeah, no condensation or stop-start issues there).
quote:All of the sludging issues and lawsuits were with the auto industry,not typically industrial.
Because cars are emotional (like you) and industrial stuff is data driven. When a significant industrial component fails, there is an investigation. If the lube failed, the supplier typically just pays for the part, rather than paying for the part and a bunch of lawyers. In my experience (10 years of tech service) it's typically a lubrication failure (misapplication of some sort), not a lubricant failure. When there are lawsuits, they don't make much news. Keep listening to the AM Top 40 station; I'm going to listen to the underground college station.
quote:,By definition,and by their own admission,current mineral oil(API))........IS STATUS QUO--AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT IN HISTORY!
By that convoluted 'logic', so is any current synthetic. The impression you appear to be trying to convey is that development of mineral ceased when synthetics came out, which is either ignorant or disingenuous (a euphemism for 'you're lying').
quote:There is no other definition for mineral oil,because it meets minimum standards..................therefore it is just that........status quo!!
If you want to be taken seriously, I first thought you needed to learn A LOT about lubricants and lubrication. Now it seems we need to pull back further. You need to learn a little about the English language first. By your inaccurate definition, synthetics can be mis-characterized as 'status quo' as well.
Shills are funny.
Miro told him everything he knows.
And he heard every thing he knows from his uncle.
Before the accusation comes up, I'm not Lamont. Don't have the experience he does.
quote:Originally posted by Lamont B Dumont
Shills are funny.
That could be the quote of the year. I like that!
Like Abbott and Costello. Before my time, funny none the less.
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quote:Originally posted by Lamont B Dumont:
[QUOTE] Industrial being the primary place for synthetic you say??
Where is that coming from??"
Just a wild guess, absolutely nothing to do with 35 years in the lube business in assignments ranging from analytical testing, formulation, technical service, quality control, quality assurance, blending, bulk shipping, on the bench, in the office, on the dock, on the loading rack and other stuff and places I only dimly remember now.
As far as what gets used (and mis-used) where, 10 years of tech service gave me the least useful knowledge. Back in those days, industrial problems were work. Personal automotive 'problems' were comic relief. (Since you appear pretty humorless, I feel obliged to reveal there was sarcasm in the above.)
quote:Industrial applications benefit from continuous run cycles,no dry starts,no condensation issues,no endless warm up/cool down thermal cycles,etc,etc. Massive diesel engines in industry don't really need synthetic the way a modern day hot running car engine does.
There is less a one-size-fits-all description of industrial applications than for personal automotive applications. You are truly displaying an astounding ignorance here. We could fill the CRC Handbook of Lubrication with only what you don't know and it wouldn't be much thinner.
Wind turbine gearboxes (actually most industrial gearboxes, period) down-hole hydraulics, a significant chunk of refinery circulating systems, anything on the deck of ship, and that's just what comes quickly to mind while still on my first cup of coffee.
As you rant, synthetics are being developed for gas turbines. Synthetics are making inroads in paper machine applications. Because of the 'out-of-sight-out-of-mind' aspect, lots of conventional hydraulic systems are going syn (yeah, no condensation or stop-start issues there).
quote:All of the sludging issues and lawsuits were with the auto industry,not typically industrial.
Because cars are emotional (like you) and industrial stuff is data driven. When a significant industrial component fails, there is an investigation. If the lube failed, the supplier typically just pays for the part, rather than paying for the part and a bunch of lawyers. In my experience (10 years of tech service) it's typically a lubrication failure (misapplication of some sort), not a lubricant failure. When there are lawsuits, they don't make much news. Keep listening to the AM Top 40 station; I'm going to listen to the underground college station.
quote:,By definition,and by their own admission,current mineral oil(API))........IS STATUS QUO--AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT IN HISTORY!
By that convoluted 'logic', so is any current synthetic. The impression you appear to be trying to convey is that development of mineral ceased when synthetics came out, which is either ignorant or disingenuous (a euphemism for 'you're lying').
quote:There is no other definition for mineral oil,because it meets minimum standards..................therefore it is just that........status quo!!
If you want to be taken seriously, I first thought you needed to learn A LOT about lubricants and lubrication. Now it seems we need to pull back further. You need to learn a little about the English language first. By your inaccurate definition, synthetics can be mis-characterized as 'status quo' as well.
Shills are funny.
Lamont quoted:quote:
Because cars are emotional (like you)...
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Now who's getting all emotional with that long meandering rant of yours.........is there a point in there somewhere?? I certainly made my point,and It sure struck a nerve I see!
I showed two industrial examples(ship/train) using mineral oil,and you get all huffy!!
By the way,you never did answer me when I asked what kind of lube you install in your "grocery getter",and how often you change it!
Prove to me that the API standards are NOT STATUS QUO! Your rant makes no sense,nor does it give an intelligible rebuttal. It was a well written rant,I'll give you that!!
Let's build on the fact that the API-standared IS.....STATUS QUO.....
http://motoroilbible.com/blog/...exos-motor-oil-spec/
QUOTE FROM LINK ABOVE...
"However, this is a giant leap from the currently accepted norm,"
http://www.performanceboats.co...owthread.php?t=66777
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_oil
"The American Petroleum Institute (API) sets minimum for performance standards for lubricants. "
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There is no other definition for mineral oil,because it meets minimum standards..................therefore it is just that........status quo!!
Lamont quoted:
If you want to be taken seriously, I first thought you needed to learn A LOT about lubricants and lubrication. Now it seems we need to pull back further. You need to learn a little about the English language first. By your inaccurate definition, synthetics can be mis-characterized as 'status quo' as well.
Lamont...........Wanna Run that by me again! My inaccurate definition,and the English language you say. Really! You do speak and read English,so READ THIS!!!
A quote from the Article just to give you some insight!! "Disruptions in status quo often lead to improvements"
http://www.allbusiness.com/sci...logy/11507094-1.html
Lamont quoted...
Wind turbine gearboxes (actually most industrial gearboxes, period) down-hole hydraulics, a significant chunk of refinery circulating systems, anything on the deck of ship, and that's just what comes quickly to mind while still on my first cup of coffee.
Lamont,did you forget that fast? We are discussing motor oil,not gearboxes,hydraulics,and circulatory systems! Nice diversionary tactic! Maybe you should have had two cups of coffee before you posted!!
Lamont quoted:
"Personal automotive 'problems' were comic relief."
Comic relief!! The only thing comical is your theatrical posts,Lamont.
You must be smoking some really good cigarettes if you think that automotive problems are comical! I've never seen any comic relief when people get hit with the repair bill for their "grocery getter" at the service writers desk..... Unless of course,you happen to be the service writer,mechanic,or some guy named Lamont within earshot of the bill!! Is that your idea of comedy,Lamont! People are losing their homes,but a repair bill is comical?? SMOKE ANOTHER!
If you are satisfied with the minimum.........so-be-it! I desire something better than minimum!!
quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:quote:Originally posted by Lamont B Dumont
Shills are funny.
That could be the quote of the year. I like that!
Like Abbott and Costello. Before my time, funny none the less.
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I don't know. The late Billy Mays was entertaining. Synlubbers and its defenders are just...... sad. Don't like it when you don't accept their word. Or question their extraordinary claims.....
quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
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I don't know. The late Billy Mays was entertaining. Synlubbers and its defenders are just...... sad. Don't like it when you don't accept their word. Or question their extraordinary claims.....
Trajan,anything intelligent to say today...........nah,didn't think so!!
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Is that what they do now in the U.S. Navy where you are........the minimum?? I bet not!
I like to go for the A+,and achieve a higher standard. I use the minimum standard simply as a starting point,not an ending point! I want the Best! What Do you want?
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My point is standards are set, people live up to them, exceed them or ship out. Pretty basic, if you don't make rank by a certain time, "the standard" or sooner, and decide to re-up they tell you thanks for serving, and ask you to leave. You meet "the standard", get rank by the time allocated for it or sooner, you stay. W/O that we'd have people who are sub-par, not good.
We all want the A+ Kirk, but is seems you and Miro are the only two people posting here who awarded yourselves an A+. Certainly not the API.
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Is that what they do now in the U.S. Navy where you are........the minimum?? I bet not!
I like to go for the A+,and achieve a higher standard. I use the minimum standard simply as a starting point,not an ending point! I want the Best! What Do you want?
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My point is standards are set, people live up to them, exceed them or ship out. Pretty basic, if you don't make rank by a certain time, "the standard" or sooner, and decide to re-up they tell you thanks for serving, and ask you to leave. You meet "the standard", get rank by the time allocated for it or sooner, you stay. W/O that we'd have people who are sub-par, not good.
We all want the A+ Kirk, but is seems you and Miro are the only two people posting here who awarded yourselves an A+. Certainly not the API.
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quote:By the way,you never did answer me when I asked what kind of lube you install in your "grocery getter",and how often you change it!
You'd have to ask Sniffy that one. He'll tell you "Whatever Artie has in stock".
Um, I'm a fictional character, in case you failed to notice. As such I probably don't own a car. Ask my limo driver.
Final answer - irrevelant. In 40 years of driving, I've never lost a component prematurely due to lubricant failure. I must be using one of the many approaches that work.
And yes, the F-150, the Avalon (230K with no sludge issues to date in a NOTORIOUS engine) and the Miata are all grocery-getters, regular people cars used the way regular people use them. I have no pretentions that my daily drive to the office is the 24 Hours at Le Mans.
I save that sort of attention for my collection of quirky old bass guitars and my hot-wired '68 Fender Band Master, where the extra attention pays off in improved tonal quality.
The only grade for synlube is an F-. Still after all these years a garage setup. Mail drops for addresses. False claims to operate in an area closed to the general public.
Can't even meet its own viscosity that it advertises. Unable to provide any verifiable data, yet defended by a misguided misanthrope who attacks anyone who questions it.
Not possible to get a grade of A if it can't even get a passing grade.
Can't even meet its own viscosity that it advertises. Unable to provide any verifiable data, yet defended by a misguided misanthrope who attacks anyone who questions it.
Not possible to get a grade of A if it can't even get a passing grade.
quote:Trajan
You simply cannot handle the fact that BMW makes crapy cars, so you back to your unfounded and false claims attacks.
Why don’t you find ONE person in the WORLD that had a single problem with SynLube ?
Because NO ONE EVER DID HAVE any issue that is in 32 years of the SAME EXACT FORMULA, while all the other oil lube companies have changed all they make every 3 to 4 years !
Why BEACUSE the stuff they made before just did not cut it when API just slightly ups the MINIMUM bar for performance.
Why would NAVY MED order SynLube for their YAMAHA gen sets ? May be they want to kill everyone they operate on in emergency situations and want the gensets to fail so they do not have to finish the job !!!
ADFD1 can probably explain that one since he claims to be US Navy.
Why would I bother Miro aka Fool. How about you tell us. And remember if you don't like the USA you can always leave.
BTW I am not US Navy. I proudly serve in the US Navy, the very best Navy in the World!
How about some proof the US Navy bought anything from you? Proof not some tall tale.
AD
BTW I am not US Navy. I proudly serve in the US Navy, the very best Navy in the World!
How about some proof the US Navy bought anything from you? Proof not some tall tale.
AD
quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:
Why would I bother Miro aka Fool. How about you tell us. And remember if you don't like the USA you can always leave.
BTW I am not US Navy. I proudly serve in the US Navy, the very best Navy in the World!
How about some proof the US Navy bought anything from you? Proof not some tall tale.
AD
AD. If you are really in the Navy,then you should be able to deny or confirm the Syn-lubed--YAHMAHA Genny!
BTW.......I can prove I use Synlube...if you ever swing on by sailor,you can check out all my vehicles.....and see for yourself there is Synlube in all the perfect running engines.
quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:
Why would I bother Miro aka Fool. [QUOTE]
http://www.cars101.com/recalls.html
Apparently the 6 speed Subaru with API GL Oil are EXPLODING the transmissions and it already happened to quite few people in just under 3,000 miles !!!
Apparently there is major screw up in the M6 transmission and since so few people buy manuals (even in Subaru) they only just noticed that there are lube holes missing in the case to supply oil to one of the major bearings, so they MELT and EXPLODE.
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Looks like the transmission issue is True....just like synlube. I have never seen Miro lie about anything. I only see you making false accusations.....all the time.
BTW......I too have never 'made' up any stories,and you have never been able to rebuttal any of my post because the truth cannot be discredited!!
Ah, what nonsense...... It isn't for AD to confirm or deny claims that the US Navy uses the swill.
Being that he isn't claiming they do.
Typical of synlube sychophants.
Mtro my dear boy. You don't upset me with your hysterical claim that BMW makes crappy cars. Their Idrive wasn't the brightest idea. still better than a Yugo. Hell. Mattel makes better cars than a Yugo.
I would sak you to explain why their sales are up, but you'd only go into an apoplectic fit.
How many new Yugos have been sold in the US since 1991? Where's the dealer network?
Being that he isn't claiming they do.
Typical of synlube sychophants.
Mtro my dear boy. You don't upset me with your hysterical claim that BMW makes crappy cars. Their Idrive wasn't the brightest idea. still better than a Yugo. Hell. Mattel makes better cars than a Yugo.
I would sak you to explain why their sales are up, but you'd only go into an apoplectic fit.
How many new Yugos have been sold in the US since 1991? Where's the dealer network?
He lied about his business address and location, for starters. His word on the Subaru story we should take as Gospel? No way.
As far as what oil the Navy uses? I have no clue, prove to me they use Synlube. I'd think they buy their oil from some real company like XOM or Sopus?
AD
As far as what oil the Navy uses? I have no clue, prove to me they use Synlube. I'd think they buy their oil from some real company like XOM or Sopus?
AD
quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:
He lied about his business address and location, for starters. His word on the Subaru story we should take as Gospel? No way.
As far as what oil the Navy uses? I have no clue, prove to me they use Synlube. I'd think they buy their oil from some real company like XOM or Sopus?
AD
Back in the 1980's the Navy dealt with Texaco. That came out during the Pennzoil v Texaco trial. (They claimed national security concerns if they were forced into bankruptcy.) Don't know where they get it now.
He'll probably claim national security reasons for not proving it. It would be nonsense, being that we know who makes all the weapons for our forces.
I laugh when I read this. Because I'm in the Navy I should know what oil they use? Any idea how many different titles/jobs/positions/ratings, etc. the Navy has? Let him prove to me what oil the Navy is using.
Comedy at its best, just like Abbott and Costello.
AD
Comedy at its best, just like Abbott and Costello.
AD
quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:
I laugh when I read this. Because I'm in the Navy I should know what oil they use? Any idea how many different titles/jobs/positions/ratings, etc. the Navy has? Let him prove to me what oil the Navy is using.
Comedy at its best, just like Abbott and Costello.
AD
Yep, you're suppossed to know. They keep trying, and failing, to deflect from the fact that they can't back their claims.
quote:Final answer - irrevelant. In 40 years of driving, I've never lost a component prematurely due to lubricant failure. I must be using one of the many approaches that work.
I have never lost a component either! I also never blew a tire.......so that means all those tire lawsuits were bogus using your logic!
Never rebuilt any engine because they all ran perfect,even with mineral oil....what you still use apparently! I passed all vehicle emission inspections.....in NJ. Ran several cars I bought used at 100k to over 200k. No big deal!
You would have one heck of an excuse if you lost an engine to a lube failure being in the line of work your in! I just use common sense. Hard to believe a guy using Synlube has common sense.........isn't it!
I used to change the oil in my cars every 2,000 miles to maintain them,even when I first started driving at 17. Common sense told me that!
About 10 years ago I started using synlube......common sense told me then...that it made sense!
I didn't keep doing what the 17 year old boy once did(i.e. keep changing oil)- I moved on to the future----the present!! I Haven't been wrong Yet,and my engines have all proven that!
Use whatever lubricant you desire for your engines,but don't state or imply that my choice is foolish when I know better than anyone on these boards other than a few.......that my approach,and the product I use works...........BECAUSE I HAVE THE EXPERIENCE USING IT!
I don't care if you're 150 years old with five PhD's.........your still not an expert nor in the forefront of the lubrication industry. You're just a guy with a job/career like me!
The only thing I have seen from you Lamont are some well written,and sometimes bizarre meandering rants regarding your opinions that give no substantial facts about lubricants nor any real statistics.
You seem to be against anything other than the old standby, because to you a car is a worthless piece of junk and should be treated as such...or so you imply! It's nothing more than a 'grocery getter'...says it all.
For what it's worth.....my wife's car is the actual grocery getter, and also the pay check getter....and my car is just the paycheck getter!! VW is the standby grocery getter, or whatever getter! The other equipment also running with synlube perform other purposeful functions.
quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
Ah, what nonsense...... It isn't for AD to confirm or deny claims that the US Navy uses the swill.
Being that he isn't claiming they do.
Why not? Ad has been telling us what his Dad uses and thinks,and also what his Uncle thinks and/or does/did!
I used to work on my Dad and Uncles cars..... not just oil changes,that was the easy part! They both came to me for Info,not the other way around...and my dad was a tool and dye maker to boot. I had spent more time under the hood and chassis of my own car than behind the wheel because I had always bought very used cars with good engines,and fixed them up,and I was pretty good at it all around! Still am if needed.........got all the tools,but not much to fix with new cars.
Well Ad,we've heard about your dad,and we've heard about your uncle........Now let's hear what your other Uncle is doing...............UNCLE SAM!!!
Well lets see Kirk. I listen to people who I know and respect. My Dad and Uncle fit the bill. You won't find two more knowledgeable people when it comes to engines, how to build them and maintain them. They use oil that works well, base it on the age of the car. No point in wasting money on Synthetic when dino will do the job in a beater. OTOH they use a good synthetic when they feel they need or want to.
While I'm on the topic of respect. I respect and believe Lamont knows about engines and oil. Typically when a person is not doing well in a discussion they attack out of fear. Seems Lamont has you against the ropes. Time for your cheap shots? They aren't working! I'd follow his advise over yours, as would most members on the board. Why? I believe him, he has no agenda, and you haven't proven a thing. You think you have but............Synlube is working for you great. For every Synlube user there are millions and millions of people successfully using Synthetic and dino oils with sludge free good running engines. So what is your point?
As far as my Uncle Sam, it was your comedy team that mentioned Synlube is used by the Navy. Prove it, I have no need to, since: A. I think the story is BS. B. I'll never use the stuff. C. I couldn't care less. Besides it is Miro's homework assignment. Maybe he should prove an address, and a business license and build some credibility first.
AD
While I'm on the topic of respect. I respect and believe Lamont knows about engines and oil. Typically when a person is not doing well in a discussion they attack out of fear. Seems Lamont has you against the ropes. Time for your cheap shots? They aren't working! I'd follow his advise over yours, as would most members on the board. Why? I believe him, he has no agenda, and you haven't proven a thing. You think you have but............Synlube is working for you great. For every Synlube user there are millions and millions of people successfully using Synthetic and dino oils with sludge free good running engines. So what is your point?
As far as my Uncle Sam, it was your comedy team that mentioned Synlube is used by the Navy. Prove it, I have no need to, since: A. I think the story is BS. B. I'll never use the stuff. C. I couldn't care less. Besides it is Miro's homework assignment. Maybe he should prove an address, and a business license and build some credibility first.
AD
quote:Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:
Why would NAVY MED order SynLube for their YAMAHA gen sets ? May be they want to kill everyone they operate on in emergency situations and want the gensets to fail so they do not have to finish the job !!!
Miro if you can email me the PO# or contract number I will be happy to look into it.
In other words, you again make a claim you can't back up.
Sad. And pathetic. And so predictable.
This is me being surprised............
Sad. And pathetic. And so predictable.
This is me being surprised............
His excuses are improving, at least it isn't a top secret story. How about a business license, or an actual business address? A picture of the mfg facility? That should be easy for him, he can even copy and paste something then photoshop it for it for us.
Notice the use of the SS# & DOB. How about Moms maiden name? LOL like someone would give Miro that info. With his stellar track record here I'm surprised he gets a CC number to sell product.
AD
Notice the use of the SS# & DOB. How about Moms maiden name? LOL like someone would give Miro that info. With his stellar track record here I'm surprised he gets a CC number to sell product.
AD
Perhaps you recall the emails you received from my work account. They end in med.navy.mil aka navy medicine. All of them where signed via PKI which is pulled from my CAC.
Oil purchases are no great secret. None of that information is required. My digital signature is far more then what is required.
Oil purchases are no great secret. None of that information is required. My digital signature is far more then what is required.
Yep. Looks like he painted himself into a corner. Again! TS location, no business address, no license? Stellar track record. LOL Thanks for letting him hang himself Tater.
AD
AD
Apparently, you are allowed to know who makes the weapons used, but not who buys this "oil".
LOL
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quote:Taterandnoodles
Well then it is you who must be buying SynLube since the e-mailed orders also end in @med.navy.mil
Add if you have a security clearance you calim to have you should have absolutely NO problem to verify SynLube purchase orders for YAMAHA generators they just bought 3 of them last week (NEW) that is all I can and will tell you.
quote:Oil purchases are no great secret. None of that information is required. My digital signature is far more then what is required.
Then prove it post the PO's from SHELL, TEXACO and UNOCAL they all supply oil to Navy.
If it is no secret have the Navy or the Suppliers send you the information, I'll bet you $1,000 you can not get any of that !!!
quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
Apparently, you are allowed to know who makes the weapons used, but not who buys this "oil".
Ok...all you 'brain surgeons'.........this is how it done! It's called 'Sherlocking'.
So,what lubricant does the military use now that we're on the subject....
http://answers.yahoo.com/quest...0080417190018AAX4DIL
Re-fined oil.....
http://www.green.ca.gov/EPP/Vehicles/MotorOil.htm
http://aec.army.mil/usaec/news...fall03/fall0319.html
SECRET MILITARY OIL..........THAT'S RIGHT--IT'S A SECRET.........
http://www.omninerd.com/comments/28811
NASCAR SECRET MOTOR OIL..
http://www.newser.com/story/55...on-is-motor-oil.html
BOTTOM LINE..............IT'S A SECRET!! GEE---WHO KNEW??
I'm sure if you kept digging you could prove that synlube is used,Trajan.
quote:Originally posted by Taterandnoodles:
Perhaps you recall the emails you received from my work account. They end in med.navy.mil aka navy medicine. All of them where signed via PKI which is pulled from my CAC.
Oil purchases are no great secret. None of that information is required. My digital signature is far more then what is required.
Well then it is you who must be buying SynLube since the e-mailed orders also end in @med.navy.mil
Miro quoted....
Add if you have a security clearance you calim to have you should have absolutely NO problem to verify SynLube purchase orders for YAMAHA generators they just bought 3 of them last week (NEW) that is all I can and will tell you.
quote:
Well,Tater.........we are waiting.
Another epic fail brought to you by Miro and company.....
quote:Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:
Well then it is you who must be buying SynLube since the e-mailed orders also end in @med.navy.mil
The purchasing agents email ends in med.navy.mil fantastic. Email me their name and I will look them up in global.
Shell does not have to sell lubricants directly although they can if they choose. Any GSA contract holder carrying any of shells products can carry them in their catalog. For Pennzoil (a shell product) the Gov can purchase 10w-30 from:
1. Capital supply, inc,
2. Mensch Mill & lumber,
3. Veteran Logistics inc,
4. Complete Packaging & shipping suppl,
5. Supplycore inc.
This is the 1st 5 I see listed on a non-secure site anyone can access. All of the above vendors hold a GSA contract and can sell motor oil and any other product they carry via said contract.
I am looking at what would be considered small purchases $3k and below although contracts can be awarded for substantial higher amounts.
Ad
You don't know what my point is by now,AD?
OK, here it is...again.................NO (normal) OIL CHANGES ARE NEEDED!!!! Well,maybe every 50-100k if so desired. Sooner, if you're really a maintenance fanatic,and you will get 100% credit for the returned used oil. Then, new free oil is shipped back to you for free.
GET IT NOW,AD?
Let me also add that this oil when it's used, is waayyyyy better than store bought 'new' oil !!!
That's the bottom line point I've been telling you!
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quote:For every Synlube user there are millions and millions of people successfully using Synthetic and dino oils with sludge free good running engines. So what is your point?
You don't know what my point is by now,AD?
OK, here it is...again.................NO (normal) OIL CHANGES ARE NEEDED!!!! Well,maybe every 50-100k if so desired. Sooner, if you're really a maintenance fanatic,and you will get 100% credit for the returned used oil. Then, new free oil is shipped back to you for free.
GET IT NOW,AD?
Let me also add that this oil when it's used, is waayyyyy better than store bought 'new' oil !!!
That's the bottom line point I've been telling you!
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I should add re-refined is closed loop meaning its kept in the stock system making it readily available and meeting the required mil-spec.
It does not mean the Gov only uses re-refined oil. My example above is not re-refined and products produced by shell, exxonmobil, castrol and even smaller companies like Royal purple and schaeffers are available from 1 quart to 55 gallon.
It does not mean the Gov only uses re-refined oil. My example above is not re-refined and products produced by shell, exxonmobil, castrol and even smaller companies like Royal purple and schaeffers are available from 1 quart to 55 gallon.
Kirk old boy, it's not me who claims the military uses synlube, but your Geppetto who claims it.
Geppetto, once again, made claims that he can't back up. And again, performs the synlube shuffle. And hangs himself, yet again.
My only surprise is that the other puppet isn't here attacking those who question him. Cut the strings perhaps?
Geppetto, once again, made claims that he can't back up. And again, performs the synlube shuffle. And hangs himself, yet again.
My only surprise is that the other puppet isn't here attacking those who question him. Cut the strings perhaps?
quote:Originally posted by Taterandnoodles:
I should add re-refined is closed loop meaning its kept in the stock system making it readily available and meeting the required mil-spec.
It does not mean the Gov only uses re-refined oil. My example above is not re-refined and products produced by shell, exxonmobil, castrol and even smaller companies like Royal purple and schaeffers are available from 1 quart to 55 gallon.
Good read,Tater!
This part of the read is what many people don't realize.
"Laboratory tests on the finished lubricant cannot determine any difference between the highly re-refined base oil and virgin crude base oil.
Re-refined oil is equivalent in every respect to oil produced directly from crude oil. It undergoes the same comprehensive testing and meets the same quality standards as virgin lubricants"
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Of course, the same would apply to genuine synthetic oil being re-refined,just like crude oil.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Trajan:
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Trajan.......how's that much needed BMW engine overhaul going?? TOO BAD YOU'RE OUT OF WARRANTY...AND LUCK!
Did the dealer re-install the 'factory approved motor oil'.........AGAIN? LOL
Your handle,Trajan..
"They stand on a wall and say "Nothing's going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch."
Funny thing,Trajan......nothing has happened to me or my engines,on any night--or day,or anybodies watch. That handle is.........SPOT ON! You chose it well!!
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Trajan.......how's that much needed BMW engine overhaul going?? TOO BAD YOU'RE OUT OF WARRANTY...AND LUCK!
Did the dealer re-install the 'factory approved motor oil'.........AGAIN? LOL
Your handle,Trajan..
"They stand on a wall and say "Nothing's going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch."
Funny thing,Trajan......nothing has happened to me or my engines,on any night--or day,or anybodies watch. That handle is.........SPOT ON! You chose it well!!
quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
Kirk old boy, it's not me who claims the military uses synlube, but your Geppetto who claims it.
Geppetto, once again, made claims that he can't back up. And again, performs the synlube shuffle. And hangs himself, yet again.
My only surprise is that the other puppet isn't here attacking those who question him. Cut the strings perhaps?
For the past 3 or 4 pages that I've read, Trajan has contributed nothing in the way of information, or anything approaching being intelligent. Just your usual negative remarks, name-calling, insults to Capt. Kirk, Miro and myself.
Trajan, if my safety depended on you being on watch, I would be messing my pants.
quote:Originally posted by inHaliburton:quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
Kirk old boy, it's not me who claims the military uses synlube, but your Geppetto who claims it.
Geppetto, once again, made claims that he can't back up. And again, performs the synlube shuffle. And hangs himself, yet again.
My only surprise is that the other puppet isn't here attacking those who question him. Cut the strings perhaps?
For the past 3 or 4 pages that I've read, Trajan has contributed nothing in the way of information, or anything approaching being intelligent. Just your usual negative remarks, name-calling, insults to Capt. Kirk, Miro and myself.
Trajan, if my safety depended on you being on watch, I would be messing my pants.
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In some respects,Trajan actually has contributed quite a bit,albeit,unwittingly.....that his factory approved "swill"(his term), FAILED!!!!
He has informed us that 'factory approved' oil isn't so good......because his car uses oil(my cars use...none on synlube),and all the other MFG (oil related)issues I have shown with various links.
He slipped we he mentioned that he needed to use AR-X....in vain though,and his engine still uses oil,and loses power-- and I bet more than he revealed!
He also admitted that his valve timing system is in need of repair,no thanks to his 'approved oil'. He stated there is a very short life span for this system,something like 30k,before it needs work.
http://forums.bimmerforums.com...x.php/t-1137071.html
http://members.roadfly.com/jason/BMWrecall.htm
http://members.roadfly.com/jason/m3engines.htm
The vanos system issues I believe are mentioned in the above post. The heat cooks/cokes the 'weak' oil,etc,
Vanos failure is definitely oil related(oh,that pesky approved oil)
http://www.m5board.com/vbullet...-failure-anyone.html
The Bottom line.....with all of Trajans arguments in favor of using factory 'approved oil' for months,and months to date..........TRAJAN HAS NOW FINALLY PROVED THAT HIS "FACTORY APPROVED SWILL"...........HAS FAILED HIM. He has proved my point quite effectively!
Also notice no denial of the engine issues that he has. Why........because it's true!
TRAJAN is like a natural Joe Biden.........always puts his foot in his mouth,and blabs away what he is trying to hide!
Joe Biden/Trajan-same thing!!
http://politicalhumor.about.co...bidens-big-mouth.htm
So I was correct, in all the links Kirk supplied not one mentioned Synlube being bought or used by the Military. Re-refinded oil use is nothing new here.
Nice try Miro once again no proof that the Navy, or any branch of the US Military or any Military uses your product. Remember the Gov't buys from real businesses, that have a real address, and a license. Which BTW you still haven't shown us.
AD
Nice try Miro once again no proof that the Navy, or any branch of the US Military or any Military uses your product. Remember the Gov't buys from real businesses, that have a real address, and a license. Which BTW you still haven't shown us.
AD
You take your chances when purchasing used autos. You just never know sometimes until it's too late that you've bought a lemon, whether it be an oil burner, warn out valve train. In this case it's Tajan's car that is a lemon. Looks good on him.
It couldn't happen to a more deserving person.
It couldn't happen to a more deserving person.
quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
Who is the more foolish? The fool(miro), or the fools who follow him(kirk/inhaliburton)?
quote:I have never lost a component either! I also never blew a tire.......so that means all those tire lawsuits were bogus using your logic!
Never rebuilt any engine because they all ran perfect,even with mineral oil....what you still use apparently! I passed all vehicle emission inspections.....in NJ. Ran several cars I bought used at 100k to over 200k. No big deal!
You would have one heck of an excuse if you lost an engine to a lube failure being in the line of work your in! I just use common sense. Hard to believe a guy using Synlube has common sense.........isn't it!
I used to change the oil in my cars every 2,000 miles to maintain them,even when I first started driving at 17. Common sense told me that!
About 10 years ago I started using synlube......common sense told me then...that it made sense!
I didn't keep doing what the 17 year old boy once did(i.e. keep changing oil)- I moved on to the future----the present!! I Haven't been wrong Yet,and my engines have all proven that!
Use whatever lubricant you desire for your engines,but don't state or imply that my choice is foolish when I know better than anyone on these boards other than a few.......that my approach,and the product I use works...........BECAUSE I HAVE THE EXPERIENCE USING IT!
I don't care if you're 150 years old with five PhD's.........your still not an expert nor in the forefront of the lubrication industry. You're just a guy with a job/career like me!
The only thing I have seen from you Lamont are some well written,and sometimes bizarre meandering rants regarding your opinions that give no substantial facts about lubricants nor any real statistics.
You seem to be against anything other than the old standby, because to you a car is a worthless piece of junk and should be treated as such...or so you imply! It's nothing more than a 'grocery getter'...says it all.
For what it's worth.....my wife's car is the actual grocery getter, and also the pay check getter....and my car is just the paycheck getter!! VW is the standby grocery getter, or whatever getter! The other equipment also running with synlube perform other purposeful functions.
Does someone have a Gibberish-to-English dictionary I could borrow? This guy tends to go in a lot of directions at once, but I can usually hang on. He threw mw way early this time (the tire thing) and my GPS won't get me back to the thread, if there is one.
You seem to wasting a lot of energy on someone who you appear to consider irrelevant.
I'll keep preaching "there many 'right' ways, the one you choose is a function of your situation". You can continue to darn any internal combustion engine to Heck if they don't use your Holy Product.
Anyone seen a tearapart of this juice? Are they still using PIB to hit the vis targets? Of course, once you add PIB, you nullify the high VI of the 4-6 cSt PAO, which means now you're in the market for VI improver. Yeah, it's all 'synthetic', but so what?
The only VOAs I've seen show it to be either a 30 or 40 wt. None of the three could explain why.
As for a tearapart, it would probably show it to be whatever oil was on sale at Walmart.
As for a tearapart, it would probably show it to be whatever oil was on sale at Walmart.
quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
The only VOAs I've seen show it to be either a 30 or 40 wt. None of the three could explain why.
As for a tearapart, it would probably show it to be whatever oil was on sale at Walmart.
"Nothing's going to save you tonight. It's my watch."
Hey Trajan, show us the ultimate proof that Synlube is "swill." Show us that engine belonging to your neighbour that burned up using Synlube that you claim exists. You can't because you know it's a LIE!
Trajan is a LIAR.
Well?
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quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
The only VOAs I've seen show it to be either a 30 or 40 wt. None of the three could explain why.
As for a tearapart, it would probably show it to be whatever oil was on sale at Walmart.
Also notice no denial of the engine issues that he has. Why........because it's true!
Everyone has noticed you have failed to deny several times over-- your engine issues......using the so-called,FACTORY APPROVED OIL.
Walmart oil would never hold up for 70k in a buick engine. The engine would have seized up from sludge long before 70k. Thats why I used synlube for that purpose,and never had any issues with the buick riviera I spoke of.
However,walmart oil might explain your engine issues. I noticed you seem to like walmart.........and the oil they obviously sold you,which now explains your oil burning issue!!
How much did the dealer charge you for the engine work you had done??
Aside from using a qt of oil in 6000 miles, what is exactly wrong with Trajan's engine?
I read earlier today about a guy with a new V6 Honda who used a qt of the FF in 5000 miles. Does that mean his engine is bad Kirk? What if after 50,000 miles he continues to use a qt of oil every 5000 miles? I'll bet a weeks wages the dealer tells him its normal. You'll say he used the wrong oil and didn't follow proper break in procedure won't you?
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I read earlier today about a guy with a new V6 Honda who used a qt of the FF in 5000 miles. Does that mean his engine is bad Kirk? What if after 50,000 miles he continues to use a qt of oil every 5000 miles? I'll bet a weeks wages the dealer tells him its normal. You'll say he used the wrong oil and didn't follow proper break in procedure won't you?
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inHaliburton
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Posted Jun 20, 6:22 PM Hide Post
Beats me how those who have no experience with a product can argue with those who have.
Seems this puppet doesn't understands what it says.
But..... that's what puppets do. Whatever Geppetto aka Miro, tells them.
Kind of figured that low tension piston rings/oil spray jets would be beyond their understanding.
Sad when one says in its profile "to education myself", and fails repeatedly.
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Posted Jun 20, 6:22 PM Hide Post
Beats me how those who have no experience with a product can argue with those who have.
Seems this puppet doesn't understands what it says.
But..... that's what puppets do. Whatever Geppetto aka Miro, tells them.
Kind of figured that low tension piston rings/oil spray jets would be beyond their understanding.
Sad when one says in its profile "to education myself", and fails repeatedly.
quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:
Aside from using a qt of oil in 6000 miles, what is exactly wrong with Trajan's engine?
I read earlier today about a guy with a new V6 Honda who used a qt of the FF in 5000 miles. Does that mean his engine is bad Kirk? What if after 50,000 miles he continues to use a qt of oil every 5000 miles? I'll bet a weeks wages the dealer tells him its normal. You'll say he used the wrong oil and didn't follow proper break in procedure won't you?
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It isn't a Yugo. That paragon of engineering that won all those awards. Can't even find a 2011 model, they sell so fast....
Hey Trajan, show us the ultimate proof that Synlube is "swill." Show us that engine belonging to your neighbour that burned up using Synlube that you claim exists.
You can't because you know it's a LIE!
Trajan is a LIAR and doesn't deny it.
Nothing coming out of your mouth can be trusted.
Well?
You can't because you know it's a LIE!
Trajan is a LIAR and doesn't deny it.
Nothing coming out of your mouth can be trusted.
Well?
quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:
Aside from using a qt of oil in 6000 miles, what is exactly wrong with Trajan's engine?
I read earlier today about a guy with a new V6 Honda who used a qt of the FF in 5000 miles. Does that mean his engine is bad Kirk? What if after 50,000 miles he continues to use a qt of oil every 5000 miles? I'll bet a weeks wages the dealer tells him its normal. You'll say he used the wrong oil and didn't follow proper break in procedure won't you?
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Ad,what don't you get?
I use synlube and never burn any oil......EVER---IN ANY OF MY CARS/EQUIPMENT!
Trajan's car burns oil,yet my lawn mower burns no oil!
Trajan is a proven liar...he probably burns at least twice what he admits!
I also pasted all the bimmer links proving there is an issue with these engines,especially when run on 'approved' oil. Many are getting re-builds at around 100k.
Trajan has yet to deny any of these facts,including that he needed work done on his engine!
Ad quoted:
"I read earlier today about a guy with a new V6 Honda who used a qt of the FF in 5000 miles."
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That is the first honda(especailly new),that I have seen use oil. What gives? Sounds defective to me,at least compared to the norm!
"The dealer said it's normal" Dah,what do you expect them to say....."Everyone in the USA gets a free overhaul,due to our defective engines using defective oil". Yeh,that will happen,sure thing!! lol
How often have motorists been told that a defect is......'normal',and just live with it! BULL IF IT WERE ME,I would be on their case with STB'S,recalls,secret recalls,MY LAYWER,etc.until the so called 'normal issue' was.......RESOLVED/FIXED/LEMON LAW,ETC BELIEVE ME!!
If I was burning a quart of oil every 6k with the factory fill/approved oil,............I would use different oil,ASAP..........like Synlube,to solve the issue of burning/evaporation.
quote:Originally posted by inHaliburton:
Hey Trajan, show us the ultimate proof that Synlube is "swill." Show us that engine belonging to your neighbour that burned up using Synlube that you claim exists.
You can't because you know it's a LIE!
Trajan is a LIAR and doesn't deny it.
Nothing coming out of your mouth can be trusted.
Well?
ihhaliburton. I agree! What a liar! Sad!
Gee,what happened to Nuke-dawg,or did Trajan just put him on ice for a while! Good riddance! He finally got banned,hopefully!
Kirk- If that Honda engine is defective as you say what makes you so sure Synlube will work? Oil can't fix mfg defects.
Lawyers, Honda has more money and better lawyers than most of us. Then there is the standard issue, blanket, industry wide excuse of a qt of oil used in 1000 miles is considered normal. You'd be banging your head against a wall while going broke paying a lawyer. Not to mention Honda calls for 5W20 not 5W50 unapproved oil.
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Lawyers, Honda has more money and better lawyers than most of us. Then there is the standard issue, blanket, industry wide excuse of a qt of oil used in 1000 miles is considered normal. You'd be banging your head against a wall while going broke paying a lawyer. Not to mention Honda calls for 5W20 not 5W50 unapproved oil.
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quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:
Kirk- If that Honda engine is defective as you say what makes you so sure Synlube will work? Oil can't fix mfg defects.
Lawyers, Honda has more money and better lawyers than most of us. Then there is the standard issue, blanket, industry wide excuse of a qt of oil used in 1000 miles is considered normal. You'd be banging your head against a wall while going broke paying a lawyer. Not to mention Honda calls for 5W20 not 5W50 unapproved oil.
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The thinner Honda oil evaporates and sneaks past the piston rings.
The synlube has a much,much lower NOACK number,and seals the rings much better......just for starters.
No, synlube can't fix full blown mechanical defects,but it can compensate/alleviate certain design issues,including oil related issues.
Oil with a relatively high NOACK number will evaporate even in a well designed engine at a faster rate vs a low NOACK. Extremely low vis,and high solvents equates to evaporation losses,and oil use. This evaporation issue is not good for the emission system,and can possibly lead to sludge down the road in certain cases. At the very least it will not keep the system as clean as synlube.
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http://www.carcomplaints.com/H...il_consumption.shtml
Well Ad,looks like you're on to something with these Honda's burning oil.
Keep drinking the KOOL-AID------"only use mfg-approved oil"....and burn oil! Yeh,never second guess the mfg...and burn oil!! NOT ME..I KNOW BETTER!!
quote:Originally posted by Captain Kirk:quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:
Kirk- If that Honda engine is defective as you say what makes you so sure Synlube will work? Oil can't fix mfg defects.
Lawyers, Honda has more money and better lawyers than most of us. Then there is the standard issue, blanket, industry wide excuse of a qt of oil used in 1000 miles is considered normal. You'd be banging your head against a wall while going broke paying a lawyer. Not to mention Honda calls for 5W20 not 5W50 unapproved oil.
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The thinner Honda oil evaporates and sneaks past the piston rings.
The synlube has a much,much lower NOACK number,and seals the rings much better......just for starters.
No, synlube can't fix full blown mechanical defects,but it can compensate/alleviate certain design issues,including oil related issues.
Oil with a relatively high NOACK number will evaporate even in a well designed engine at a faster rate vs a low NOACK. Extremely low vis,and high solvents equates to evaporation losses,and oil use. This evaporation issue is not good for the emission system,and can possibly lead to sludge down the road in certain cases. At the very least it will not keep the system as clean as synlube.
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http://www.carcomplaints.com/H...il_consumption.shtml
Well Ad,looks like you're on to something with these Honda's burning oil.
Keep drinking the KOOL-AID------"only use mfg-approved oil"....and burn oil! Yeh,never second guess the mfg...and burn oil!! NOT ME..I KNOW BETTER!!
Interesting Kirk, oil too thick for an engine isn't any good either. Ever try and stick a softball in an opening for a golfball? It won't fit, that 50 grade oil is too thick. It will shear as it is forced into too small an opening. I think Honda engineers know a little more than you do. Using a 20 wt or even a 30 wt oil, no problem, a 50 wt, not a good idea. The engine was not designed for it. Will it work? Sure is it the best? No way. Maybe after half a million miles are logged and there's some wear, then a 50 wt might work, until then NG.
Besides that person I am referring to is one person. Honda makes some of the best engines in the world.
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quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:quote:Originally posted by Captain Kirk:quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:
Kirk- If that Honda engine is defective as you say what makes you so sure Synlube will work? Oil can't fix mfg defects.
Lawyers, Honda has more money and better lawyers than most of us. Then there is the standard issue, blanket, industry wide excuse of a qt of oil used in 1000 miles is considered normal. You'd be banging your head against a wall while going broke paying a lawyer. Not to mention Honda calls for 5W20 not 5W50 unapproved oil.
AD
The thinner Honda oil evaporates and sneaks past the piston rings.
The synlube has a much,much lower NOACK number,and seals the rings much better......just for starters.
No, synlube can't fix full blown mechanical defects,but it can compensate/alleviate certain design issues,including oil related issues.
Oil with a relatively high NOACK number will evaporate even in a well designed engine at a faster rate vs a low NOACK. Extremely low vis,and high solvents equates to evaporation losses,and oil use. This evaporation issue is not good for the emission system,and can possibly lead to sludge down the road in certain cases. At the very least it will not keep the system as clean as synlube.
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http://www.carcomplaints.com/H...il_consumption.shtml
Well Ad,looks like you're on to something with these Honda's burning oil.
Keep drinking the KOOL-AID------"only use mfg-approved oil"....and burn oil! Yeh,never second guess the mfg...and burn oil!! NOT ME..I KNOW BETTER!!
Interesting Kirk, oil too thick for an engine isn't any good either. Ever try and stick a softball in an opening for a golfball? It won't fit, that 50 grade oil is too thick. It will shear as it is forced into too small an opening. I think Honda engineers know a little more than you do. Using a 20 wt or even a 30 wt oil, no problem, a 50 wt, not a good idea. The engine was not designed for it. Will it work? Sure is it the best? No way. Maybe after half a million miles are logged and there's some wear, then a 50 wt might work, until then NG.
Besides that person I am referring to is one person. Honda makes some of the best engines in the world.
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I think you meant....Best engines in the world of oil burners...
http://www.carcomplaints.com/H...il_consumption.shtml
Softball-golfball?? THAT'S SOUNDS REALLY TECHNICAL!!
I have a Jeep 4.7 that recommends 5w-20,and I use 5w-50 Synlube. Engine runs like a top!!
I do 80-90 on the freeway,and occasional WOT!! Engine runs like a dream! Fuel economy is better than what most claim on the net.
My last several cars all called for 5w-30,and I used 5w-50 synlube. Never any issues in all those....YEARS!!!
Ad quoted:
"Maybe after half a million miles are logged and there's some wear, then a 50 wt might work, until then NG."
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500,000 miles=some wear=dream on!
http://www.2carpros.com/topics/oilburn.htm
As shown by his own links, using the wrong viscosity leads to sludge. If Honda thought their engines needed a 50 wt, they'd spec it. simlube doesn't meet said weight though.
Honda makes about 14 million engines of all types a year. Every car at the 2010 Indy 500 was Honda powered, with no failures.
They have a solid rep as engine builders. Unlike Miro and the puppets.
As an aside:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...l_Engine_of_the_Year
Notice the number if Yugo engines listed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward%27s_10_Best_Engines
Notice again, the number of Yugo engines. and the number of BMW engines. The M54 among them.
Choke on it puppets.
Honda makes about 14 million engines of all types a year. Every car at the 2010 Indy 500 was Honda powered, with no failures.
They have a solid rep as engine builders. Unlike Miro and the puppets.
As an aside:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...l_Engine_of_the_Year
Notice the number if Yugo engines listed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward%27s_10_Best_Engines
Notice again, the number of Yugo engines. and the number of BMW engines. The M54 among them.
Choke on it puppets.
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CHOKE ON THIS...
http://www.carcomplaints.com/H...il_consumption.shtml
quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
As shown by his own links, using the wrong viscosity leads to sludge. If Honda thought their engines needed a 50 wt, they'd spec it. simlube doesn't meet said weight though.
Honda makes about 14 million engines of all types a year. Every car at the 2010 Indy 500 was Honda powered, with no failures.
They have a solid rep as engine builders. Unlike Miro and the puppets.
As an aside:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...l_Engine_of_the_Year
Notice the number if Yugo engines listed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward%27s_10_Best_Engines
Notice again, the number of Yugo engines. and the number of BMW engines. The M54 among them.
Choke on it puppets.
CHOKE ON THIS...
http://www.carcomplaints.com/H...il_consumption.shtml
quote:Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
CHOKE ON THIS...
http://www.carcomplaints.com/H...il_consumption.shtml
Hey, nice find Kirk. Imagine. Honda with that attitude and treating customers like that. They are no better than Toyota. Disgusting!
quote:Originally posted by inHaliburton:quote:Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
CHOKE ON THIS...
http://www.carcomplaints.com/H...il_consumption.shtml
Hey, nice find Kirk. Imagine. Honda with that attitude and treating customers like that. They are no better than Toyota. Disgusting!
Hey, inhaliburton. Long time no hear! Good to hear from you!
Yep, Thats'why I buy American--except the one VW! Never any problems with any of them.
Although,I am a maintenance fanatic..... always gives better results! I flush all the fluids,such as....power steering,brake fluid,coolant,tranny,gear oil(Synlube gear oil is perm.),etc.
How's the weather in Canada,been really hot/humid down here!!!
Lamont is right. Shills are funny. Puppets are too.
quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
As shown by his own links, using the wrong viscosity leads to sludge. If Honda thought their engines needed a 50 wt, they'd spec it. simlube doesn't meet said weight though.
Honda makes about 14 million engines of all types a year. Every car at the 2010 Indy 500 was Honda powered, with no failures.
They have a solid rep as engine builders. Unlike Miro and the puppets.
As an aside:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...l_Engine_of_the_Year
Notice the number if Yugo engines listed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward%27s_10_Best_Engines
Notice again, the number of Yugo engines. and the number of BMW engines. The M54 among them.
Choke on it puppets.
Every thread Abbott And Costello show up in turns to crap. Notice the pattern?
Glad you liked the ball analogy Kirk, I made it so you'd understand.
You can force oil to shear Kirk, especially if it is too thick for the application. I'll take what Honda specs as Gospel for their engines, before I listen to you. Following your logic maybe you and your buddy should go back to the secret location and add some tefflon and moly to 75W90 for your next batch of Synlube. Walmart has some in the automotive department, use that for a host/base oil. That's where you guys are getting the oil for Synlube isn't it?
BTW Kirk Seems BMW builds some nice engines according to the links Trajan posted. Hardly junk, have a look! Honda is on the list too, strange isn't it?
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quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
As shown by his own links, using the wrong viscosity leads to sludge. If Honda thought their engines needed a 50 wt, they'd spec it. simlube doesn't meet said weight though.
Honda makes about 14 million engines of all types a year. Every car at the 2010 Indy 500 was Honda powered, with no failures.
They have a solid rep as engine builders. Unlike Miro and the puppets.
As an aside:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...l_Engine_of_the_Year
Notice the number if Yugo engines listed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward%27s_10_Best_Engines
Notice again, the number of Yugo engines. and the number of BMW engines. The M54 among them.
Choke on it puppets.
Every thread Abbott And Costello show up in turns to crap. Notice the pattern?
Glad you liked the ball analogy Kirk, I made it so you'd understand.
You can force oil to shear Kirk, especially if it is too thick for the application. I'll take what Honda specs as Gospel for their engines, before I listen to you. Following your logic maybe you and your buddy should go back to the secret location and add some tefflon and moly to 75W90 for your next batch of Synlube. Walmart has some in the automotive department, use that for a host/base oil. That's where you guys are getting the oil for Synlube isn't it?
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Boy you are a real Jar-head! You will take Honda as gospel,even after I debunked your claims. How many more facts do you need......SOLDIER!! KP DUTY FOR YOU!!! DROP AND GIVE ME 50 PUSH UPS....IF YOU CAN!!
It's Sailor. What exactly have you proven BTW? Now Honda doesn't know how to build an engine or spec an oil? You are kidding aren't you?
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quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:
It's Sailor. What exactly have you proven BTW? Now Honda doesn't know how to build an engine or spec an oil? You are kidding aren't you?
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SAILOR,I KNOW!
Well,you did see the links I pasted showing quality issues with the honda engines. What didn't you get??
More links..
http://www.hondacarforum.com/a...l-recomendation.html
I recall reading way back,Honda admitted 5w-20 oil will lower the life expectancy of their engines! It's mainly used in the US FOR THOSE PESKY CAFE STANDARDS!!
Lets see Kirk, how many Honda's are on the road? How many people posted in that thread? How are Honda's thought of? What is the % of dissatisfied Honda owners? Every auto maker has complaints, even Yugo.
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quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:
Lets see Kirk, how many Honda's are on the road? How many people posted in that thread? How are Honda's thought of? What is the % of dissatisfied Honda owners? Every auto maker has complaints, even Yugo.
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How may people smoke/drink into their 80's? Plenty!!! Using your logic........smoking is good for you!!!
I see you own a Jeep, the internet is free of Jeep complaints? I doubt it, and didn't have to do a search either.
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quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
As shown by his own links, using the wrong viscosity leads to sludge. If Honda thought their engines needed a 50 wt, they'd spec it. simlube doesn't meet said weight though.
Honda makes about 14 million engines of all types a year. Every car at the 2010 Indy 500 was Honda powered, with no failures.
They have a solid rep as engine builders. Unlike Miro and the puppets.
As an aside:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...l_Engine_of_the_Year
Notice the number if Yugo engines listed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward%27s_10_Best_Engines
Notice again, the number of Yugo engines. and the number of BMW engines. The M54 among them.
Choke on it puppets.
Every thread Abbott And Costello show up in turns to crap. Notice the pattern?
Glad you liked the ball analogy Kirk, I made it so you'd understand.
You can force oil to shear Kirk, especially if it is too thick for the application. I'll take what Honda specs as Gospel for their engines, before I listen to you. Following your logic maybe you and your buddy should go back to the secret location and add some tefflon and moly to 75W90 for your next batch of Synlube. Walmart has some in the automotive department, use that for a host/base oil. That's where you guys are getting the oil for Synlube isn't it?
BTW Kirk Seems BMW builds some nice engines according to the links Trajan posted. Hardly junk, have a look! Honda is on the list too, strange isn't it?
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That they do. Well, their apprentice doesn't exactly improve a thread either. Shivers looking for a spine to run up.
This would all stop if we threw out our integrity and towed the sunlube/yugo line.