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Originally posted by Lamont B Dumont:
[QUOTE] Industrial being the primary place for synthetic you say??
Where is that coming from??"


Just a wild guess, absolutely nothing to do with 35 years in the lube business in assignments ranging from analytical testing, formulation, technical service, quality control, quality assurance, blending, bulk shipping, on the bench, in the office, on the dock, on the loading rack and other stuff and places I only dimly remember now.

As far as what gets used (and mis-used) where, 10 years of tech service gave me the least useful knowledge. Back in those days, industrial problems were work. Personal automotive 'problems' were comic relief. (Since you appear pretty humorless, I feel obliged to reveal there was sarcasm in the above.)

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Industrial applications benefit from continuous run cycles,no dry starts,no condensation issues,no endless warm up/cool down thermal cycles,etc,etc. Massive diesel engines in industry don't really need synthetic the way a modern day hot running car engine does.


There is less a one-size-fits-all description of industrial applications than for personal automotive applications. You are truly displaying an astounding ignorance here. We could fill the CRC Handbook of Lubrication with only what you don't know and it wouldn't be much thinner.

Wind turbine gearboxes (actually most industrial gearboxes, period) down-hole hydraulics, a significant chunk of refinery circulating systems, anything on the deck of ship, and that's just what comes quickly to mind while still on my first cup of coffee.

As you rant, synthetics are being developed for gas turbines. Synthetics are making inroads in paper machine applications. Because of the 'out-of-sight-out-of-mind' aspect, lots of conventional hydraulic systems are going syn (yeah, no condensation or stop-start issues there).

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All of the sludging issues and lawsuits were with the auto industry,not typically industrial.


Because cars are emotional (like you) and industrial stuff is data driven. When a significant industrial component fails, there is an investigation. If the lube failed, the supplier typically just pays for the part, rather than paying for the part and a bunch of lawyers. In my experience (10 years of tech service) it's typically a lubrication failure (misapplication of some sort), not a lubricant failure. When there are lawsuits, they don't make much news. Keep listening to the AM Top 40 station; I'm going to listen to the underground college station.

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,By definition,and by their own admission,current mineral oil(API))........IS STATUS QUO--AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT IN HISTORY!


By that convoluted 'logic', so is any current synthetic. The impression you appear to be trying to convey is that development of mineral ceased when synthetics came out, which is either ignorant or disingenuous (a euphemism for 'you're lying').

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There is no other definition for mineral oil,because it meets minimum standards..................therefore it is just that........status quo!!


If you want to be taken seriously, I first thought you needed to learn A LOT about lubricants and lubrication. Now it seems we need to pull back further. You need to learn a little about the English language first. By your inaccurate definition, synthetics can be mis-characterized as 'status quo' as well.

Shills are funny.

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Lamont quoted:
Because cars are emotional (like you)...
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Now who's getting all emotional with that long meandering rant of yours.........is there a point in there somewhere?? I certainly made my point,and It sure struck a nerve I see!

I showed two industrial examples(ship/train) using mineral oil,and you get all huffy!!

By the way,you never did answer me when I asked what kind of lube you install in your "grocery getter",and how often you change it!

Prove to me that the API standards are NOT STATUS QUO! Your rant makes no sense,nor does it give an intelligible rebuttal. It was a well written rant,I'll give you that!!


Let's build on the fact that the API-standared IS.....STATUS QUO.....

http://motoroilbible.com/blog/...exos-motor-oil-spec/

QUOTE FROM LINK ABOVE...
"However, this is a giant leap from the currently accepted norm,"

http://www.performanceboats.co...owthread.php?t=66777

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_oil

"The American Petroleum Institute (API) sets minimum for performance standards for lubricants. "


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There is no other definition for mineral oil,because it meets minimum standards..................therefore it is just that........status quo!!


Lamont quoted:
If you want to be taken seriously, I first thought you needed to learn A LOT about lubricants and lubrication. Now it seems we need to pull back further. You need to learn a little about the English language first. By your inaccurate definition, synthetics can be mis-characterized as 'status quo' as well.

Lamont...........Wanna Run that by me again! My inaccurate definition,and the English language you say. Really! You do speak and read English,so READ THIS!!!

A quote from the Article just to give you some insight!! "Disruptions in status quo often lead to improvements"

http://www.allbusiness.com/sci...logy/11507094-1.html

Lamont quoted...

Wind turbine gearboxes (actually most industrial gearboxes, period) down-hole hydraulics, a significant chunk of refinery circulating systems, anything on the deck of ship, and that's just what comes quickly to mind while still on my first cup of coffee.

Lamont,did you forget that fast? We are discussing motor oil,not gearboxes,hydraulics,and circulatory systems! Nice diversionary tactic! Maybe you should have had two cups of coffee before you posted!!

Lamont quoted:

"Personal automotive 'problems' were comic relief."

Comic relief!! The only thing comical is your theatrical posts,Lamont.

You must be smoking some really good cigarettes if you think that automotive problems are comical! I've never seen any comic relief when people get hit with the repair bill for their "grocery getter" at the service writers desk..... Unless of course,you happen to be the service writer,mechanic,or some guy named Lamont within earshot of the bill!! Is that your idea of comedy,Lamont! People are losing their homes,but a repair bill is comical?? SMOKE ANOTHER!



If you are satisfied with the minimum.........so-be-it! I desire something better than minimum!!
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
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Originally posted by Lamont B Dumont

Shills are funny.


That could be the quote of the year. I like that!

Like Abbott and Costello. Before my time, funny none the less.

AD


I don't know. The late Billy Mays was entertaining. Synlubbers and its defenders are just...... sad. Don't like it when you don't accept their word. Or question their extraordinary claims.....
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I keep reading negative things about API minimum standards? Does anyone set a maximum standard? Think about it? That would be like saying a certain oil can be no better than the standard set. Stupid if you ask me, so the API standard gives oil companies something to aim for.

Easy for a compamy like Synlube to take pokes at the API, because they can't afford to play. But at least a consumer has something to go by when he buys an API approved product. It would meet or exceed certain industry standards, and be certified. Synlube, pot luck.

Notice no mention of the other two companies, but they have a following, are reputable, have a real address, and a license. So no point in dragging them into this discussion.

AD
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
I keep reading negative things about API minimum standards? Does anyone set a maximum standard? Think about it? That would be like saying a certain oil can be no better than the standard set. Stupid if you ask me, so the API standard gives oil companies something to aim for.

Easy for a compamy like Synlube to take pokes at the API, because they can't afford to play. But at least a consumer has something to go by when he buys an API approved product. It would meet or exceed certain industry standards, and be certified. Synlube, pot luck.

Notice no mention of the other two companies, but they have a following, are reputable, have a real address, and a license. So no point in dragging them into this discussion.

AD
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Nothing has a maximum standard,and you know that! The minimum standard is likened to getting a C,or D grade in school,and then bragging....."but I passed".

Is that what they do now in the U.S. Navy where you are........the minimum?? I bet not!

I like to go for the A+,and achieve a higher standard. I use the minimum standard simply as a starting point,not an ending point! I want the Best! What Do you want?

Apparently,Gm and others agree with my philosophy! Hence the reason for Dexos,because the old 'weak' standards have not lived up to their expectations! History has already proven me to be correct,not withstanding any ones....."OPINIONS".
Sometimes PERFORMANCE is far more important than API license, for example we just had one SUBARU customer that now on his 3rd Subaru is also SynLube fan.

He bought NEW Outback at end of MAY 2010 and drives almost 100 miles just one way to work so 200 + miles per day is "normal".

AS a result his car has already over 12,000 miles !!!

He changed everything to SynLube at about 1,200 miles (engine oil, transmission (manual), coolant)

Last week he got urgent panicky call from the dealer he bought the car from asking how many miles are on his car - when he told them, 25 minutes later there was a tow truck at his house towing the car away !!!

Why such panic ?

Apparently the 6 speed Subaru with API GL Oil are EXPLODING the transmissions and it already happened to quite few people in just under 3,000 miles !!!

When the dealer saw the OIL SynLube really) to be opaque black they changed the entire transmission - again PANIC.

Apparently there is major screw up in the M6 transmission and since so few people buy manuals (even in Subaru) they only just noticed that there are lube holes missing in the case to supply oil to one of the major bearings, so they MELT and EXPLODE.

That in 2,500 to 3,200 miles I am told by people who know.

Yet the SUBARU owner with SynLube actually did hear "noise" in several gears that did go completely away after he switched to SynLube Gear Oil, so if nothing else that is another small proof that it works better than OIL.

At least for 10,000 miles longer.

Well guess what after just 5 days of his driving with COMPLETELY NEW transmission; he just started to hear "noise" with the Dealer Installed Oil.

I just wonder if anyone checked if the NEW transmission is from the same defective batch...

Only time will tell
By the way in California Dealers even under Warranty have to give person Repair Order disclosing the parts cost and labor – his Invoice was $9,235 of which $ 8,219 was for the transmission and $159.00 for the OEM Gear Oil (SynLube for that application is only $90.00).
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And for the BMW fans all M5 are being recalled as they cannot seem to engineer a plastic float that actually floats in their plastic gas tank (that is sealed of course) so people are running out of gas - just a minor issue I am sure - but still a proof of inability to build a vehicle that actually works !!!
Now BMW dealers will have to spend over ½ a day to “correct” the problem….for FREE !!!

Now how do you correct a problem in ultrasonically welded plastic tank with no provision to acces anything is still a mystery but I am sure they have some magic - I am told that is HEAT GUN and presurizing the tank so it "expands" in just the right place !!!

WOW - that just sounds "dangerous" ...

Personally I am curioous if they will do that with FUEL in the Tank ?
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Is that what they do now in the U.S. Navy where you are........the minimum?? I bet not!

I like to go for the A+,and achieve a higher standard. I use the minimum standard simply as a starting point,not an ending point! I want the Best! What Do you want?

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My point is standards are set, people live up to them, exceed them or ship out. Pretty basic, if you don't make rank by a certain time, "the standard" or sooner, and decide to re-up they tell you thanks for serving, and ask you to leave. You meet "the standard", get rank by the time allocated for it or sooner, you stay. W/O that we'd have people who are sub-par, not good.

We all want the A+ Kirk, but is seems you and Miro are the only two people posting here who awarded yourselves an A+. Certainly not the API.

AD
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By the way,you never did answer me when I asked what kind of lube you install in your "grocery getter",and how often you change it!


You'd have to ask Sniffy that one. He'll tell you "Whatever Artie has in stock".

Um, I'm a fictional character, in case you failed to notice. As such I probably don't own a car. Ask my limo driver.

Final answer - irrevelant. In 40 years of driving, I've never lost a component prematurely due to lubricant failure. I must be using one of the many approaches that work.

And yes, the F-150, the Avalon (230K with no sludge issues to date in a NOTORIOUS engine) and the Miata are all grocery-getters, regular people cars used the way regular people use them. I have no pretentions that my daily drive to the office is the 24 Hours at Le Mans.

I save that sort of attention for my collection of quirky old bass guitars and my hot-wired '68 Fender Band Master, where the extra attention pays off in improved tonal quality.
The only grade for synlube is an F-. Still after all these years a garage setup. Mail drops for addresses. False claims to operate in an area closed to the general public.

Can't even meet its own viscosity that it advertises. Unable to provide any verifiable data, yet defended by a misguided misanthrope who attacks anyone who questions it.

Not possible to get a grade of A if it can't even get a passing grade.
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Trajan


You simply cannot handle the fact that BMW makes crapy cars, so you back to your unfounded and false claims attacks.

Why don’t you find ONE person in the WORLD that had a single problem with SynLube ?

Because NO ONE EVER DID HAVE any issue that is in 32 years of the SAME EXACT FORMULA, while all the other oil lube companies have changed all they make every 3 to 4 years !

Why BEACUSE the stuff they made before just did not cut it when API just slightly ups the MINIMUM bar for performance.

Why would NAVY MED order SynLube for their YAMAHA gen sets ? May be they want to kill everyone they operate on in emergency situations and want the gensets to fail so they do not have to finish the job !!!

ADFD1 can probably explain that one since he claims to be US Navy.
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
Why would I bother Miro aka Fool. How about you tell us. And remember if you don't like the USA you can always leave.

BTW I am not US Navy. I proudly serve in the US Navy, the very best Navy in the World!

How about some proof the US Navy bought anything from you? Proof not some tall tale.

AD




AD. If you are really in the Navy,then you should be able to deny or confirm the Syn-lubed--YAHMAHA Genny!

BTW.......I can prove I use Synlube...if you ever swing on by sailor,you can check out all my vehicles.....and see for yourself there is Synlube in all the perfect running engines.
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
Why would I bother Miro aka Fool. [QUOTE]


http://www.cars101.com/recalls.html

Apparently the 6 speed Subaru with API GL Oil are EXPLODING the transmissions and it already happened to quite few people in just under 3,000 miles !!!

Apparently there is major screw up in the M6 transmission and since so few people buy manuals (even in Subaru) they only just noticed that there are lube holes missing in the case to supply oil to one of the major bearings, so they MELT and EXPLODE.
[QUOTE]



Looks like the transmission issue is True....just like synlube. I have never seen Miro lie about anything. I only see you making false accusations.....all the time.

BTW......I too have never 'made' up any stories,and you have never been able to rebuttal any of my post because the truth cannot be discredited!!
Ah, what nonsense...... It isn't for AD to confirm or deny claims that the US Navy uses the swill.

Being that he isn't claiming they do.

Typical of synlube sychophants.

Mtro my dear boy. You don't upset me with your hysterical claim that BMW makes crappy cars. Their Idrive wasn't the brightest idea. still better than a Yugo. Hell. Mattel makes better cars than a Yugo.

I would sak you to explain why their sales are up, but you'd only go into an apoplectic fit.

How many new Yugos have been sold in the US since 1991? Where's the dealer network?
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
He lied about his business address and location, for starters. His word on the Subaru story we should take as Gospel? No way.

As far as what oil the Navy uses? I have no clue, prove to me they use Synlube. I'd think they buy their oil from some real company like XOM or Sopus?

AD


Back in the 1980's the Navy dealt with Texaco. That came out during the Pennzoil v Texaco trial. (They claimed national security concerns if they were forced into bankruptcy.) Don't know where they get it now.

He'll probably claim national security reasons for not proving it. It would be nonsense, being that we know who makes all the weapons for our forces.
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
I laugh when I read this. Because I'm in the Navy I should know what oil they use? Any idea how many different titles/jobs/positions/ratings, etc. the Navy has? Let him prove to me what oil the Navy is using.

Comedy at its best, just like Abbott and Costello.

AD


Yep, you're suppossed to know. They keep trying, and failing, to deflect from the fact that they can't back their claims.
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Final answer - irrevelant. In 40 years of driving, I've never lost a component prematurely due to lubricant failure. I must be using one of the many approaches that work.




I have never lost a component either! I also never blew a tire.......so that means all those tire lawsuits were bogus using your logic!



Never rebuilt any engine because they all ran perfect,even with mineral oil....what you still use apparently! I passed all vehicle emission inspections.....in NJ. Ran several cars I bought used at 100k to over 200k. No big deal!


You would have one heck of an excuse if you lost an engine to a lube failure being in the line of work your in! I just use common sense. Hard to believe a guy using Synlube has common sense.........isn't it!

I used to change the oil in my cars every 2,000 miles to maintain them,even when I first started driving at 17. Common sense told me that!

About 10 years ago I started using synlube......common sense told me then...that it made sense!

I didn't keep doing what the 17 year old boy once did(i.e. keep changing oil)- I moved on to the future----the present!! I Haven't been wrong Yet,and my engines have all proven that!

Use whatever lubricant you desire for your engines,but don't state or imply that my choice is foolish when I know better than anyone on these boards other than a few.......that my approach,and the product I use works...........BECAUSE I HAVE THE EXPERIENCE USING IT!


I don't care if you're 150 years old with five PhD's.........your still not an expert nor in the forefront of the lubrication industry. You're just a guy with a job/career like me!

The only thing I have seen from you Lamont are some well written,and sometimes bizarre meandering rants regarding your opinions that give no substantial facts about lubricants nor any real statistics.

You seem to be against anything other than the old standby, because to you a car is a worthless piece of junk and should be treated as such...or so you imply! It's nothing more than a 'grocery getter'...says it all.

For what it's worth.....my wife's car is the actual grocery getter, and also the pay check getter....and my car is just the paycheck getter!! VW is the standby grocery getter, or whatever getter! The other equipment also running with synlube perform other purposeful functions.
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Originally posted by Trajan:
Ah, what nonsense...... It isn't for AD to confirm or deny claims that the US Navy uses the swill.

Being that he isn't claiming they do.




Why not? Ad has been telling us what his Dad uses and thinks,and also what his Uncle thinks and/or does/did!

I used to work on my Dad and Uncles cars..... not just oil changes,that was the easy part! They both came to me for Info,not the other way around...and my dad was a tool and dye maker to boot. I had spent more time under the hood and chassis of my own car than behind the wheel because I had always bought very used cars with good engines,and fixed them up,and I was pretty good at it all around! Still am if needed.........got all the tools,but not much to fix with new cars.

Well Ad,we've heard about your dad,and we've heard about your uncle........Now let's hear what your other Uncle is doing...............UNCLE SAM!!!
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Well lets see Kirk. I listen to people who I know and respect. My Dad and Uncle fit the bill. You won't find two more knowledgeable people when it comes to engines, how to build them and maintain them. They use oil that works well, base it on the age of the car. No point in wasting money on Synthetic when dino will do the job in a beater. OTOH they use a good synthetic when they feel they need or want to.

While I'm on the topic of respect. I respect and believe Lamont knows about engines and oil. Typically when a person is not doing well in a discussion they attack out of fear. Seems Lamont has you against the ropes. Time for your cheap shots? They aren't working! I'd follow his advise over yours, as would most members on the board. Why? I believe him, he has no agenda, and you haven't proven a thing. You think you have but............Synlube is working for you great. For every Synlube user there are millions and millions of people successfully using Synthetic and dino oils with sludge free good running engines. So what is your point?

As far as my Uncle Sam, it was your comedy team that mentioned Synlube is used by the Navy. Prove it, I have no need to, since: A. I think the story is BS. B. I'll never use the stuff. C. I couldn't care less. Besides it is Miro's homework assignment. Maybe he should prove an address, and a business license and build some credibility first.

AD
Generally if anyone requests any information about Government or Military dealings or contracts at the very MINIMUM, we first have to obtain permission to disclose such data, and at the MINIMUM we have to provide this FIRST:

Name
Address (Street, City, STATE, ZIP)
SS#
DOB
US Citizenship Status
Contact Phone #
and e-mail

If you are willing to disclose this information publicly on this board then I will be happy to forward it to the person who is responsible for the purchasing.

You can e-mail it to synlube@synlube.com as well

And do not forget to attach short memo explaining why you want to have such information disclosed to you.

Just following the regulations and rules which you should be aware of - not any different than any other such request.

If you do not believe it just ask the same of TEXACO, SHELL and UNOCAL to provide you with such information.
His excuses are improving, at least it isn't a top secret story. How about a business license, or an actual business address? A picture of the mfg facility? That should be easy for him, he can even copy and paste something then photoshop it for it for us.

Notice the use of the SS# & DOB. How about Moms maiden name? LOL like someone would give Miro that info. With his stellar track record here I'm surprised he gets a CC number to sell product.

AD
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Taterandnoodles

Well then it is you who must be buying SynLube since the e-mailed orders also end in @med.navy.mil

Add if you have a security clearance you calim to have you should have absolutely NO problem to verify SynLube purchase orders for YAMAHA generators they just bought 3 of them last week (NEW) that is all I can and will tell you.
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Oil purchases are no great secret. None of that information is required. My digital signature is far more then what is required.


Then prove it post the PO's from SHELL, TEXACO and UNOCAL they all supply oil to Navy.

If it is no secret have the Navy or the Suppliers send you the information, I'll bet you $1,000 you can not get any of that !!!
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Originally posted by Trajan:
Apparently, you are allowed to know who makes the weapons used, but not who buys this "oil".



Ok...all you 'brain surgeons'.........this is how it done! It's called 'Sherlocking'.

So,what lubricant does the military use now that we're on the subject....

http://answers.yahoo.com/quest...0080417190018AAX4DIL

Re-fined oil.....

http://www.green.ca.gov/EPP/Vehicles/MotorOil.htm

http://aec.army.mil/usaec/news...fall03/fall0319.html

SECRET MILITARY OIL..........THAT'S RIGHT--IT'S A SECRET.........

http://www.omninerd.com/comments/28811


NASCAR SECRET MOTOR OIL..

http://www.newser.com/story/55...on-is-motor-oil.html


BOTTOM LINE..............IT'S A SECRET!! GEE---WHO KNEW??

I'm sure if you kept digging you could prove that synlube is used,Trajan.
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Originally posted by Taterandnoodles:
Perhaps you recall the emails you received from my work account. They end in med.navy.mil aka navy medicine. All of them where signed via PKI which is pulled from my CAC.

Oil purchases are no great secret. None of that information is required. My digital signature is far more then what is required.


Well then it is you who must be buying SynLube since the e-mailed orders also end in @med.navy.mil


Miro quoted....
Add if you have a security clearance you calim to have you should have absolutely NO problem to verify SynLube purchase orders for YAMAHA generators they just bought 3 of them last week (NEW) that is all I can and will tell you.
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Well,Tater.........we are waiting.
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Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:
Well then it is you who must be buying SynLube since the e-mailed orders also end in @med.navy.mil



The purchasing agents email ends in med.navy.mil fantastic. Email me their name and I will look them up in global.

Shell does not have to sell lubricants directly although they can if they choose. Any GSA contract holder carrying any of shells products can carry them in their catalog. For Pennzoil (a shell product) the Gov can purchase 10w-30 from:

1. Capital supply, inc,
2. Mensch Mill & lumber,
3. Veteran Logistics inc,
4. Complete Packaging & shipping suppl,
5. Supplycore inc.

This is the 1st 5 I see listed on a non-secure site anyone can access. All of the above vendors hold a GSA contract and can sell motor oil and any other product they carry via said contract.

I am looking at what would be considered small purchases $3k and below although contracts can be awarded for substantial higher amounts.
Ad
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For every Synlube user there are millions and millions of people successfully using Synthetic and dino oils with sludge free good running engines. So what is your point?



You don't know what my point is by now,AD?

OK, here it is...again.................NO (normal) OIL CHANGES ARE NEEDED!!!! Well,maybe every 50-100k if so desired. Sooner, if you're really a maintenance fanatic,and you will get 100% credit for the returned used oil. Then, new free oil is shipped back to you for free.

GET IT NOW,AD?

Let me also add that this oil when it's used, is waayyyyy better than store bought 'new' oil !!!

That's the bottom line point I've been telling you!
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
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Originally posted by Trajan:
Apparently, you are allowed to know who makes the weapons used, but not who buys this "oil".



Ok...all you 'brain surgeons'.........this is how it done! It's called 'Sherlocking'.

So,what lubricant does the military use now that we're on the subject....

http://answers.yahoo.com/quest...0080417190018AAX4DIL

Re-fined oil.....

http://www.green.ca.gov/EPP/Vehicles/MotorOil.htm

http://aec.army.mil/usaec/news...fall03/fall0319.html

SECRET MILITARY OIL..........THAT'S RIGHT--IT'S A SECRET.........

http://www.omninerd.com/comments/28811


NASCAR SECRET MOTOR OIL..

http://www.newser.com/story/55...on-is-motor-oil.html


BOTTOM LINE..............IT'S A SECRET!! GEE---WHO KNEW??

I'm sure if you kept digging you could prove that synlube is used,Trajan.


Where does it say Synlube? It says Mil-Spec. The military has people bid they set the specs, not the oil company. Still no mention of "Synlube". I'd think Uncle Sam would do business with a company that has an address and license. Not from two con-artists with a lousy web-site.

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Anything the military buys has what is called Mil-spec (military specifications) they put out for bid for a supplier that meets or exceeds those specs, the oil is then put in containers that just says motor oil mil-spec such and such, thats the way it's done with everything from ash trays to tampons.

Safety Kleen recycles and sells recycled oil. Is Synlube part of Safety Kleen?

Then another article mentions the SAE and Synthetic 5W40 oil in trucks going 100K. No word of Synlube. Besides Synlube is 5W50 IIRC.

Maybe you can highlite Synlube being mentioned in any of those articles Kirk. My eyes are tired.

Remember Kirk just because you say so, and it is on the internet doesn't make it a fact. Those links are generalizations at best. Synlube not mentioned once.

Besides how about that business address and copy of the license from Costello/Miro?

AD
I should add re-refined is closed loop meaning its kept in the stock system making it readily available and meeting the required mil-spec.

It does not mean the Gov only uses re-refined oil. My example above is not re-refined and products produced by shell, exxonmobil, castrol and even smaller companies like Royal purple and schaeffers are available from 1 quart to 55 gallon.
Kirk old boy, it's not me who claims the military uses synlube, but your Geppetto who claims it.

Geppetto, once again, made claims that he can't back up. And again, performs the synlube shuffle. And hangs himself, yet again.

My only surprise is that the other puppet isn't here attacking those who question him. Cut the strings perhaps?
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Originally posted by Taterandnoodles:
I should add re-refined is closed loop meaning its kept in the stock system making it readily available and meeting the required mil-spec.

It does not mean the Gov only uses re-refined oil. My example above is not re-refined and products produced by shell, exxonmobil, castrol and even smaller companies like Royal purple and schaeffers are available from 1 quart to 55 gallon.




Good read,Tater!

This part of the read is what many people don't realize.

"Laboratory tests on the finished lubricant cannot determine any difference between the highly re-refined base oil and virgin crude base oil.
Re-refined oil is equivalent in every respect to oil produced directly from crude oil. It undergoes the same comprehensive testing and meets the same quality standards as virgin lubricants"

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Of course, the same would apply to genuine synthetic oil being re-refined,just like crude oil.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Trajan:
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Trajan.......how's that much needed BMW engine overhaul going?? TOO BAD YOU'RE OUT OF WARRANTY...AND LUCK!

Did the dealer re-install the 'factory approved motor oil'.........AGAIN? LOL


Your handle,Trajan..

"They stand on a wall and say "Nothing's going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch."

Funny thing,Trajan......nothing has happened to me or my engines,on any night--or day,or anybodies watch. That handle is.........SPOT ON! You chose it well!!
A Synthetic Diesel Engine Oil with Extended Laboratory Test and Field Service Performance

Funny that you post links to Mobil Delvac 1 R7D by Mobil Research and Dvlp. Corp. in 1992-1994 period.

Product never released to the Public in USA

SAE Paper published in 1995

From 1990 to 1996 Mobil Research bought lot of SynLube for R&D and in 1999 just before going bankrupt actually offered to buy SynLube for $2.3 million.

In 1999 Exxon took over and SynLube was no longer purchasing PAO from Mobil (now ExxonMobil) because the quality level deteriorated to unacceptable level.

In 1996 I was old SynLube purchased 60% of the world Supply of the 99.8% pure PAO that was actually cosmetic and food contact approved grade.

The PAO Mobil and now Exxon USES internally is only 86% pure and I have never got answer from anyone what the other 14% is.

It is also no secret thjat in 1996 Mobil Environmental Laboratory ran all the decomposition testes on SynLube for SynLube as well.

So it is not that Mobil or Exxon could not produce a product such as SynLube, they just do not want to.

It is not that they could not formulate SAE 5W-50 from PURE PAO and sell it in USA, they just do not do it - but it is available in some European countries for as much as $50 per Liter equivalent - more expensive than SynLube !!!

SO chill out the technology is there and has been now for over 32 years - yet NO COMPANY IN THE WORLD other than SynLube makes it available to the Public.

Just simple facts that of course you can yet again claim they are not true....
Read the claims !

1.) We have never anywhere made any claim that military uses SynLube.

2.) The claim and fact is that NAVY MEDIC units use SynLube in disposable (500 hour rated service life) YAMAHA generators since they do not want to deal with every 25 to 50 hours required oil changes, just to messy I guess for a field medic - so they equip them with SynLube and forget the oil changes.

Sometimes when they have to move in a hurry they even leave the units behind as they are just not that valueble to them - at least that is what I was told.

They als tell me that in Afganistan they by the time t gets to the field pay as much as $600 per Gallon of DIESEL FUEL and $800 per Gallon of Lube Oil so SynLube that needs not to be changed in small equipment is a real bargain and after all it is US taxpayers money that is saved.

3.) SynLube is Re-Processed Lube oil and qualifies for all the grant programs that were originated by Executive Order by President Clinton.

4.) We do not supply any re-refined oil as as was pointed out there is no request or stock number for SAE 5W-50

SO there

The price for 1 L of SynLube from virgin components is $32.00 per Liter retail

$50 is for the re-processed 1 Liter Initial Fill and you the taxpayer pays for the difference $18.00

None of that is a secret either but the fleets that use it (that get Federal Grants) we keep confidential since more than once they were bothered and hastled by other oil co sales paople and promoters when they find out they use SynLube.

Just today one of the Fleet Managers called me telling me someone is trying to offer him FULLY SYNTEHTIC "re-refined" Motor Oil for $20 for 5 L bottle (it is apparently shipped from Africa !!!)

That should be the focus of your investigations - real scams !!!
quote:
Originally posted by Trajan:
Kirk old boy, it's not me who claims the military uses synlube, but your Geppetto who claims it.

Geppetto, once again, made claims that he can't back up. And again, performs the synlube shuffle. And hangs himself, yet again.

My only surprise is that the other puppet isn't here attacking those who question him. Cut the strings perhaps?


For the past 3 or 4 pages that I've read, Trajan has contributed nothing in the way of information, or anything approaching being intelligent. Just your usual negative remarks, name-calling, insults to Capt. Kirk, Miro and myself.

Trajan, if my safety depended on you being on watch, I would be messing my pants.
quote:
Originally posted by inHaliburton:
quote:
Originally posted by Trajan:
Kirk old boy, it's not me who claims the military uses synlube, but your Geppetto who claims it.

Geppetto, once again, made claims that he can't back up. And again, performs the synlube shuffle. And hangs himself, yet again.

My only surprise is that the other puppet isn't here attacking those who question him. Cut the strings perhaps?


For the past 3 or 4 pages that I've read, Trajan has contributed nothing in the way of information, or anything approaching being intelligent. Just your usual negative remarks, name-calling, insults to Capt. Kirk, Miro and myself.

Trajan, if my safety depended on you being on watch, I would be messing my pants.

_____________________________________________

In some respects,Trajan actually has contributed quite a bit,albeit,unwittingly.....that his factory approved "swill"(his term), FAILED!!!!

He has informed us that 'factory approved' oil isn't so good......because his car uses oil(my cars use...none on synlube),and all the other MFG (oil related)issues I have shown with various links.

He slipped we he mentioned that he needed to use AR-X....in vain though,and his engine still uses oil,and loses power-- and I bet more than he revealed!

He also admitted that his valve timing system is in need of repair,no thanks to his 'approved oil'. He stated there is a very short life span for this system,something like 30k,before it needs work.

http://forums.bimmerforums.com...x.php/t-1137071.html

http://members.roadfly.com/jason/BMWrecall.htm

http://members.roadfly.com/jason/m3engines.htm

The vanos system issues I believe are mentioned in the above post. The heat cooks/cokes the 'weak' oil,etc,

Vanos failure is definitely oil related(oh,that pesky approved oil)

http://www.m5board.com/vbullet...-failure-anyone.html


The Bottom line.....with all of Trajans arguments in favor of using factory 'approved oil' for months,and months to date..........TRAJAN HAS NOW FINALLY PROVED THAT HIS "FACTORY APPROVED SWILL"...........HAS FAILED HIM. He has proved my point quite effectively!

Also notice no denial of the engine issues that he has. Why........because it's true!

TRAJAN is like a natural Joe Biden.........always puts his foot in his mouth,and blabs away what he is trying to hide!

Joe Biden/Trajan-same thing!!

http://politicalhumor.about.co...bidens-big-mouth.htm
So I was correct, in all the links Kirk supplied not one mentioned Synlube being bought or used by the Military. Re-refinded oil use is nothing new here.

Nice try Miro once again no proof that the Navy, or any branch of the US Military or any Military uses your product. Remember the Gov't buys from real businesses, that have a real address, and a license. Which BTW you still haven't shown us.

AD
quote:
I have never lost a component either! I also never blew a tire.......so that means all those tire lawsuits were bogus using your logic!

Never rebuilt any engine because they all ran perfect,even with mineral oil....what you still use apparently! I passed all vehicle emission inspections.....in NJ. Ran several cars I bought used at 100k to over 200k. No big deal!

You would have one heck of an excuse if you lost an engine to a lube failure being in the line of work your in! I just use common sense. Hard to believe a guy using Synlube has common sense.........isn't it!

I used to change the oil in my cars every 2,000 miles to maintain them,even when I first started driving at 17. Common sense told me that!

About 10 years ago I started using synlube......common sense told me then...that it made sense!

I didn't keep doing what the 17 year old boy once did(i.e. keep changing oil)- I moved on to the future----the present!! I Haven't been wrong Yet,and my engines have all proven that!

Use whatever lubricant you desire for your engines,but don't state or imply that my choice is foolish when I know better than anyone on these boards other than a few.......that my approach,and the product I use works...........BECAUSE I HAVE THE EXPERIENCE USING IT!

I don't care if you're 150 years old with five PhD's.........your still not an expert nor in the forefront of the lubrication industry. You're just a guy with a job/career like me!

The only thing I have seen from you Lamont are some well written,and sometimes bizarre meandering rants regarding your opinions that give no substantial facts about lubricants nor any real statistics.

You seem to be against anything other than the old standby, because to you a car is a worthless piece of junk and should be treated as such...or so you imply! It's nothing more than a 'grocery getter'...says it all.

For what it's worth.....my wife's car is the actual grocery getter, and also the pay check getter....and my car is just the paycheck getter!! VW is the standby grocery getter, or whatever getter! The other equipment also running with synlube perform other purposeful functions.


Does someone have a Gibberish-to-English dictionary I could borrow? This guy tends to go in a lot of directions at once, but I can usually hang on. He threw mw way early this time (the tire thing) and my GPS won't get me back to the thread, if there is one.

You seem to wasting a lot of energy on someone who you appear to consider irrelevant.

I'll keep preaching "there many 'right' ways, the one you choose is a function of your situation". You can continue to darn any internal combustion engine to Heck if they don't use your Holy Product.

Anyone seen a tearapart of this juice? Are they still using PIB to hit the vis targets? Of course, once you add PIB, you nullify the high VI of the 4-6 cSt PAO, which means now you're in the market for VI improver. Yeah, it's all 'synthetic', but so what?
quote:
Originally posted by Trajan:
The only VOAs I've seen show it to be either a 30 or 40 wt. None of the three could explain why.

As for a tearapart, it would probably show it to be whatever oil was on sale at Walmart.

"Nothing's going to save you tonight. It's my watch."


Hey Trajan, show us the ultimate proof that Synlube is "swill." Show us that engine belonging to your neighbour that burned up using Synlube that you claim exists. You can't because you know it's a LIE!

Trajan is a LIAR.

Well?
Last edited by inhaliburton
quote:
Originally posted by Trajan:
The only VOAs I've seen show it to be either a 30 or 40 wt. None of the three could explain why.

As for a tearapart, it would probably show it to be whatever oil was on sale at Walmart.




Also notice no denial of the engine issues that he has. Why........because it's true!


Everyone has noticed you have failed to deny several times over-- your engine issues......using the so-called,FACTORY APPROVED OIL.


Walmart oil would never hold up for 70k in a buick engine. The engine would have seized up from sludge long before 70k. Thats why I used synlube for that purpose,and never had any issues with the buick riviera I spoke of.

However,walmart oil might explain your engine issues. I noticed you seem to like walmart.........and the oil they obviously sold you,which now explains your oil burning issue!!


How much did the dealer charge you for the engine work you had done??
Aside from using a qt of oil in 6000 miles, what is exactly wrong with Trajan's engine?

I read earlier today about a guy with a new V6 Honda who used a qt of the FF in 5000 miles. Does that mean his engine is bad Kirk? What if after 50,000 miles he continues to use a qt of oil every 5000 miles? I'll bet a weeks wages the dealer tells him its normal. You'll say he used the wrong oil and didn't follow proper break in procedure won't you?

AD
inHaliburton
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Beats me how those who have no experience with a product can argue with those who have.

Seems this puppet doesn't understands what it says.

But..... that's what puppets do. Whatever Geppetto aka Miro, tells them.

Kind of figured that low tension piston rings/oil spray jets would be beyond their understanding.

Sad when one says in its profile "to education myself", and fails repeatedly.
quote:
Originally posted by ADFD1:
Aside from using a qt of oil in 6000 miles, what is exactly wrong with Trajan's engine?

I read earlier today about a guy with a new V6 Honda who used a qt of the FF in 5000 miles. Does that mean his engine is bad Kirk? What if after 50,000 miles he continues to use a qt of oil every 5000 miles? I'll bet a weeks wages the dealer tells him its normal. You'll say he used the wrong oil and didn't follow proper break in procedure won't you?

AD


It isn't a Yugo. That paragon of engineering that won all those awards. Can't even find a 2011 model, they sell so fast....
quote:
Originally posted by ADFD1:
Aside from using a qt of oil in 6000 miles, what is exactly wrong with Trajan's engine?

I read earlier today about a guy with a new V6 Honda who used a qt of the FF in 5000 miles. Does that mean his engine is bad Kirk? What if after 50,000 miles he continues to use a qt of oil every 5000 miles? I'll bet a weeks wages the dealer tells him its normal. You'll say he used the wrong oil and didn't follow proper break in procedure won't you?

AD



Ad,what don't you get?

I use synlube and never burn any oil......EVER---IN ANY OF MY CARS/EQUIPMENT!

Trajan's car burns oil,yet my lawn mower burns no oil!

Trajan is a proven liar...he probably burns at least twice what he admits!

I also pasted all the bimmer links proving there is an issue with these engines,especially when run on 'approved' oil. Many are getting re-builds at around 100k.

Trajan has yet to deny any of these facts,including that he needed work done on his engine!

Ad quoted:
"I read earlier today about a guy with a new V6 Honda who used a qt of the FF in 5000 miles."

________________________________

That is the first honda(especailly new),that I have seen use oil. What gives? Sounds defective to me,at least compared to the norm!

"The dealer said it's normal" Dah,what do you expect them to say....."Everyone in the USA gets a free overhaul,due to our defective engines using defective oil". Yeh,that will happen,sure thing!! lol

How often have motorists been told that a defect is......'normal',and just live with it! BULL IF IT WERE ME,I would be on their case with STB'S,recalls,secret recalls,MY LAYWER,etc.until the so called 'normal issue' was.......RESOLVED/FIXED/LEMON LAW,ETC BELIEVE ME!!

If I was burning a quart of oil every 6k with the factory fill/approved oil,............I would use different oil,ASAP..........like Synlube,to solve the issue of burning/evaporation.
quote:
Originally posted by inHaliburton:
Hey Trajan, show us the ultimate proof that Synlube is "swill." Show us that engine belonging to your neighbour that burned up using Synlube that you claim exists.

You can't because you know it's a LIE!

Trajan is a LIAR and doesn't deny it.

Nothing coming out of your mouth can be trusted.

Well?


ihhaliburton. I agree! What a liar! Sad!

Gee,what happened to Nuke-dawg,or did Trajan just put him on ice for a while! Good riddance! He finally got banned,hopefully! Eek
Kirk- If that Honda engine is defective as you say what makes you so sure Synlube will work? Oil can't fix mfg defects.

Lawyers, Honda has more money and better lawyers than most of us. Then there is the standard issue, blanket, industry wide excuse of a qt of oil used in 1000 miles is considered normal. You'd be banging your head against a wall while going broke paying a lawyer. Not to mention Honda calls for 5W20 not 5W50 unapproved oil.

AD
quote:
Originally posted by ADFD1:
Kirk- If that Honda engine is defective as you say what makes you so sure Synlube will work? Oil can't fix mfg defects.

Lawyers, Honda has more money and better lawyers than most of us. Then there is the standard issue, blanket, industry wide excuse of a qt of oil used in 1000 miles is considered normal. You'd be banging your head against a wall while going broke paying a lawyer. Not to mention Honda calls for 5W20 not 5W50 unapproved oil.

AD


The thinner Honda oil evaporates and sneaks past the piston rings.

The synlube has a much,much lower NOACK number,and seals the rings much better......just for starters.

No, synlube can't fix full blown mechanical defects,but it can compensate/alleviate certain design issues,including oil related issues.

Oil with a relatively high NOACK number will evaporate even in a well designed engine at a faster rate vs a low NOACK. Extremely low vis,and high solvents equates to evaporation losses,and oil use. This evaporation issue is not good for the emission system,and can possibly lead to sludge down the road in certain cases. At the very least it will not keep the system as clean as synlube.

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http://www.carcomplaints.com/H...il_consumption.shtml


Well Ad,looks like you're on to something with these Honda's burning oil.

Keep drinking the KOOL-AID------"only use mfg-approved oil"....and burn oil! Yeh,never second guess the mfg...and burn oil!! NOT ME..I KNOW BETTER!! Cool
quote:
Originally posted by annie_oakley:

ihhaliburton. I agree! What a liar! Sad!

Gee,what happened to Nuke-dawg,or did Trajan just put him on ice for a while! Good riddance! He finally got banned,hopefully! Eek


Hey Annie, good to hear from you!

Nothing much has changed around here as you can read.

Trajan is as dumb as ever. Insulting the ususal suspects. Then getting stomped-on in spades. He's a very slow learner. In fact, he's a non-learner. Trajan's incapable of admitting he's wrong. If he had the courage and admitted to lying about that engine he claimed was ruined by using Synlube, it wouldn't have been mentioned again. That was very telling. No guts. No character. No honour. A dishonest and selfish person. A very shallow person I'm glad not to know in person.

Nuclear dawg? Don't know for sure, but likely got banned...
quote:
Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
quote:
Originally posted by ADFD1:
Kirk- If that Honda engine is defective as you say what makes you so sure Synlube will work? Oil can't fix mfg defects.

Lawyers, Honda has more money and better lawyers than most of us. Then there is the standard issue, blanket, industry wide excuse of a qt of oil used in 1000 miles is considered normal. You'd be banging your head against a wall while going broke paying a lawyer. Not to mention Honda calls for 5W20 not 5W50 unapproved oil.

AD


The thinner Honda oil evaporates and sneaks past the piston rings.

The synlube has a much,much lower NOACK number,and seals the rings much better......just for starters.

No, synlube can't fix full blown mechanical defects,but it can compensate/alleviate certain design issues,including oil related issues.

Oil with a relatively high NOACK number will evaporate even in a well designed engine at a faster rate vs a low NOACK. Extremely low vis,and high solvents equates to evaporation losses,and oil use. This evaporation issue is not good for the emission system,and can possibly lead to sludge down the road in certain cases. At the very least it will not keep the system as clean as synlube.

------------------------------------

http://www.carcomplaints.com/H...il_consumption.shtml


Well Ad,looks like you're on to something with these Honda's burning oil.

Keep drinking the KOOL-AID------"only use mfg-approved oil"....and burn oil! Yeh,never second guess the mfg...and burn oil!! NOT ME..I KNOW BETTER!! Cool


Interesting Kirk, oil too thick for an engine isn't any good either. Ever try and stick a softball in an opening for a golfball? It won't fit, that 50 grade oil is too thick. It will shear as it is forced into too small an opening. I think Honda engineers know a little more than you do. Using a 20 wt or even a 30 wt oil, no problem, a 50 wt, not a good idea. The engine was not designed for it. Will it work? Sure is it the best? No way. Maybe after half a million miles are logged and there's some wear, then a 50 wt might work, until then NG.

Besides that person I am referring to is one person. Honda makes some of the best engines in the world.

AD
quote:
Originally posted by ADFD1:
quote:
Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
quote:
Originally posted by ADFD1:
Kirk- If that Honda engine is defective as you say what makes you so sure Synlube will work? Oil can't fix mfg defects.

Lawyers, Honda has more money and better lawyers than most of us. Then there is the standard issue, blanket, industry wide excuse of a qt of oil used in 1000 miles is considered normal. You'd be banging your head against a wall while going broke paying a lawyer. Not to mention Honda calls for 5W20 not 5W50 unapproved oil.

AD


The thinner Honda oil evaporates and sneaks past the piston rings.

The synlube has a much,much lower NOACK number,and seals the rings much better......just for starters.

No, synlube can't fix full blown mechanical defects,but it can compensate/alleviate certain design issues,including oil related issues.

Oil with a relatively high NOACK number will evaporate even in a well designed engine at a faster rate vs a low NOACK. Extremely low vis,and high solvents equates to evaporation losses,and oil use. This evaporation issue is not good for the emission system,and can possibly lead to sludge down the road in certain cases. At the very least it will not keep the system as clean as synlube.

------------------------------------

http://www.carcomplaints.com/H...il_consumption.shtml


Well Ad,looks like you're on to something with these Honda's burning oil.

Keep drinking the KOOL-AID------"only use mfg-approved oil"....and burn oil! Yeh,never second guess the mfg...and burn oil!! NOT ME..I KNOW BETTER!! Cool


Interesting Kirk, oil too thick for an engine isn't any good either. Ever try and stick a softball in an opening for a golfball? It won't fit, that 50 grade oil is too thick. It will shear as it is forced into too small an opening. I think Honda engineers know a little more than you do. Using a 20 wt or even a 30 wt oil, no problem, a 50 wt, not a good idea. The engine was not designed for it. Will it work? Sure is it the best? No way. Maybe after half a million miles are logged and there's some wear, then a 50 wt might work, until then NG.

Besides that person I am referring to is one person. Honda makes some of the best engines in the world.

AD



I think you meant....Best engines in the world of oil burners...

http://www.carcomplaints.com/H...il_consumption.shtml

Softball-golfball?? THAT'S SOUNDS REALLY TECHNICAL!!

I have a Jeep 4.7 that recommends 5w-20,and I use 5w-50 Synlube. Engine runs like a top!!

I do 80-90 on the freeway,and occasional WOT!! Engine runs like a dream! Fuel economy is better than what most claim on the net.

My last several cars all called for 5w-30,and I used 5w-50 synlube. Never any issues in all those....YEARS!!!


Ad quoted:

"Maybe after half a million miles are logged and there's some wear, then a 50 wt might work, until then NG."
___________________________________
500,000 miles=some wear=dream on!

http://www.2carpros.com/topics/oilburn.htm
As shown by his own links, using the wrong viscosity leads to sludge. If Honda thought their engines needed a 50 wt, they'd spec it. simlube doesn't meet said weight though.

Honda makes about 14 million engines of all types a year. Every car at the 2010 Indy 500 was Honda powered, with no failures.

They have a solid rep as engine builders. Unlike Miro and the puppets.

As an aside:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...l_Engine_of_the_Year

Notice the number if Yugo engines listed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward%27s_10_Best_Engines

Notice again, the number of Yugo engines. and the number of BMW engines. The M54 among them.

Choke on it puppets.
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quote:
Originally posted by Trajan:
As shown by his own links, using the wrong viscosity leads to sludge. If Honda thought their engines needed a 50 wt, they'd spec it. simlube doesn't meet said weight though.

Honda makes about 14 million engines of all types a year. Every car at the 2010 Indy 500 was Honda powered, with no failures.

They have a solid rep as engine builders. Unlike Miro and the puppets.

As an aside:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...l_Engine_of_the_Year

Notice the number if Yugo engines listed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward%27s_10_Best_Engines

Notice again, the number of Yugo engines. and the number of BMW engines. The M54 among them.

Choke on it puppets.



CHOKE ON THIS...

http://www.carcomplaints.com/H...il_consumption.shtml
quote:
Originally posted by inHaliburton:
quote:
Originally posted by Captain Kirk:

CHOKE ON THIS...

http://www.carcomplaints.com/H...il_consumption.shtml


Hey, nice find Kirk. Imagine. Honda with that attitude and treating customers like that. They are no better than Toyota. Disgusting!


Hey, inhaliburton. Long time no hear! Good to hear from you!

Yep, Thats'why I buy American--except the one VW! Never any problems with any of them.

Although,I am a maintenance fanatic..... always gives better results! I flush all the fluids,such as....power steering,brake fluid,coolant,tranny,gear oil(Synlube gear oil is perm.),etc.

How's the weather in Canada,been really hot/humid down here!!!
quote:
Originally posted by Trajan:
As shown by his own links, using the wrong viscosity leads to sludge. If Honda thought their engines needed a 50 wt, they'd spec it. simlube doesn't meet said weight though.

Honda makes about 14 million engines of all types a year. Every car at the 2010 Indy 500 was Honda powered, with no failures.

They have a solid rep as engine builders. Unlike Miro and the puppets.

As an aside:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...l_Engine_of_the_Year

Notice the number if Yugo engines listed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward%27s_10_Best_Engines

Notice again, the number of Yugo engines. and the number of BMW engines. The M54 among them.

Choke on it puppets.


Every thread Abbott And Costello show up in turns to crap. Notice the pattern?

Glad you liked the ball analogy Kirk, I made it so you'd understand.

You can force oil to shear Kirk, especially if it is too thick for the application. I'll take what Honda specs as Gospel for their engines, before I listen to you. Following your logic maybe you and your buddy should go back to the secret location and add some tefflon and moly to 75W90 for your next batch of Synlube. Walmart has some in the automotive department, use that for a host/base oil. That's where you guys are getting the oil for Synlube isn't it?

BTW Kirk Seems BMW builds some nice engines according to the links Trajan posted. Hardly junk, have a look! Honda is on the list too, strange isn't it?

AD
quote:
Originally posted by ADFD1:
quote:
Originally posted by Trajan:
As shown by his own links, using the wrong viscosity leads to sludge. If Honda thought their engines needed a 50 wt, they'd spec it. simlube doesn't meet said weight though.

Honda makes about 14 million engines of all types a year. Every car at the 2010 Indy 500 was Honda powered, with no failures.

They have a solid rep as engine builders. Unlike Miro and the puppets.

As an aside:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...l_Engine_of_the_Year

Notice the number if Yugo engines listed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward%27s_10_Best_Engines

Notice again, the number of Yugo engines. and the number of BMW engines. The M54 among them.

Choke on it puppets.


Every thread Abbott And Costello show up in turns to crap. Notice the pattern?

Glad you liked the ball analogy Kirk, I made it so you'd understand.

You can force oil to shear Kirk, especially if it is too thick for the application. I'll take what Honda specs as Gospel for their engines, before I listen to you. Following your logic maybe you and your buddy should go back to the secret location and add some tefflon and moly to 75W90 for your next batch of Synlube. Walmart has some in the automotive department, use that for a host/base oil. That's where you guys are getting the oil for Synlube isn't it?

AD


Boy you are a real Jar-head! You will take Honda as gospel,even after I debunked your claims. How many more facts do you need......SOLDIER!! KP DUTY FOR YOU!!! DROP AND GIVE ME 50 PUSH UPS....IF YOU CAN!!
quote:
Originally posted by ADFD1:
It's Sailor. What exactly have you proven BTW? Now Honda doesn't know how to build an engine or spec an oil? You are kidding aren't you?

AD


SAILOR,I KNOW!

Well,you did see the links I pasted showing quality issues with the honda engines. What didn't you get??

More links..

http://www.hondacarforum.com/a...l-recomendation.html

I recall reading way back,Honda admitted 5w-20 oil will lower the life expectancy of their engines! It's mainly used in the US FOR THOSE PESKY CAFE STANDARDS!!
quote:
Originally posted by ADFD1:
Lets see Kirk, how many Honda's are on the road? How many people posted in that thread? How are Honda's thought of? What is the % of dissatisfied Honda owners? Every auto maker has complaints, even Yugo.

AD



How may people smoke/drink into their 80's? Plenty!!! Using your logic........smoking is good for you!!!
quote:
Originally posted by ADFD1:
quote:
Originally posted by Trajan:
As shown by his own links, using the wrong viscosity leads to sludge. If Honda thought their engines needed a 50 wt, they'd spec it. simlube doesn't meet said weight though.

Honda makes about 14 million engines of all types a year. Every car at the 2010 Indy 500 was Honda powered, with no failures.

They have a solid rep as engine builders. Unlike Miro and the puppets.

As an aside:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...l_Engine_of_the_Year

Notice the number if Yugo engines listed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward%27s_10_Best_Engines

Notice again, the number of Yugo engines. and the number of BMW engines. The M54 among them.

Choke on it puppets.


Every thread Abbott And Costello show up in turns to crap. Notice the pattern?

Glad you liked the ball analogy Kirk, I made it so you'd understand.

You can force oil to shear Kirk, especially if it is too thick for the application. I'll take what Honda specs as Gospel for their engines, before I listen to you. Following your logic maybe you and your buddy should go back to the secret location and add some tefflon and moly to 75W90 for your next batch of Synlube. Walmart has some in the automotive department, use that for a host/base oil. That's where you guys are getting the oil for Synlube isn't it?

BTW Kirk Seems BMW builds some nice engines according to the links Trajan posted. Hardly junk, have a look! Honda is on the list too, strange isn't it?

AD


That they do. Well, their apprentice doesn't exactly improve a thread either. Shivers looking for a spine to run up.

This would all stop if we threw out our integrity and towed the sunlube/yugo line.
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
I see you own a Jeep, the internet is free of Jeep complaints? I doubt it, and didn't have to do a search either.

AD



No complaints with any of my vehicles/equipment...NONE.......I USE SYNLUBE!!


AD QUOTE..

"Following your logic maybe you and your buddy should go back to the secret location and add some tefflon and moly to 75W90 for your next batch of Synlube."


The gear oil(synlube) in my Jeep actually does have teflon,and moly,and graphite. I can see you read the synlube website! Oh,that's right, you didn't read the site.....otherwise you would have know that info!
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Remember that gets fed dino oil,



Well,what else would a dinosaur use?


In NJ...we have emission regulations. Any oil burners are taken off the road. Many states don't have emission inspections so vehicles in disrepair stay on the road....polluting the environment with shot engines that don't belong on the road,and people claim...."but it's still running"!! Many more,actually cheat the system! I have seen many oil burners........in NJ. Some beat the system for a while,until the engine dies or they finally get caught!!

My last buick with 179k passed emission inspection with no issues,and the oil alone had 70k on it!! Check engine light never came on! Try doing that with......DINO OIL!!!
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
Lets see Kirk, how many Honda's are on the road? How many people posted in that thread? How are Honda's thought of? What is the % of dissatisfied Honda owners? Every auto maker has complaints, even Yugo.

AD


AD, what makes me wonder if there are only a few Honda engines that are smokers, why don't they bite the bullet and fix them under warranty? That's what bothers me when a auto manufacturer shirks their duty by telling the consumer that it's normal to burn a quart every thousand miles. We all know that's ridiculous.
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:

In NJ...we have emission regulations. Any oil burners are taken off the road. Many states don't have emission inspections so vehicles in disrepair stay on the road....polluting the environment with shot engines that don't belong on the road,and people claim...."but it's still running"!!

Kirk, I'll bet Trajan stays out of NJ with that smoker of his. Wink
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Originally posted by inHaliburton:
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:

In NJ...we have emission regulations. Any oil burners are taken off the road. Many states don't have emission inspections so vehicles in disrepair stay on the road....polluting the environment with shot engines that don't belong on the road,and people claim...."but it's still running"!!

Kirk, I'll bet Trajan stays out of NJ with that smoker of his. Wink



inHaliburton,Notice how Trajan is still dodging the engine overhaul statements I threw at him. Maybe he finally had that oil issue taken care of with a big-fat-repair bill!


Well,I need a break. See ya next week! Have a good weekend!

Kirk
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
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quote:
Remember that gets fed dino oil,



Well,what else would a dinosaur use?


In NJ...we have emission regulations. Any oil burners are taken off the road. Many states don't have emission inspections so vehicles in disrepair stay on the road....polluting the environment with shot engines that don't belong on the road,and people claim...."but it's still running"!! Many more,actually cheat the system! I have seen many oil burners........in NJ. Some beat the system for a while,until the engine dies or they finally get caught!!

My last buick with 179k passed emission inspection with no issues,and the oil alone had 70k on it!! Check engine light never came on! Try doing that with......DINO OIL!!!



NY too where I was born and raised, and where my father and uncle live. That F Series truck still passes the sniffer test, original CC too. With dino oil go figure!

AD
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Originally posted by inHaliburton:
quote:
Originally posted by ADFD1:
Lets see Kirk, how many Honda's are on the road? How many people posted in that thread? How are Honda's thought of? What is the % of dissatisfied Honda owners? Every auto maker has complaints, even Yugo.

AD


AD, what makes me wonder if there are only a few Honda engines that are smokers, why don't they bite the bullet and fix them under warranty? That's what bothers me when a auto manufacturer shirks their duty by telling the consumer that it's normal to burn a quart every thousand miles. We all know that's ridiculous.


I don't own a Honda, I own a Ford, and couldn't be happier. Still Honda has quite an impressive track record and following.

That qt/1000 mile excuse has been around for decades I've been told. Seems all car makers use it when a car comes back under warranty using oil. I'm sure Yugo dealers used it a few times too. Smile

AD
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Originally posted by BLK98MK8LSC:
Dunning and Kruger argued in their paper, “When people are incompetent in the strategies they adopt to achieve success and satisfaction, they suffer a dual burden: Not only do they reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the ability to realize it. Instead, like Mr. Wheeler, they are left with the erroneous impression they are doing just fine.”
You could think of the Dunning-Kruger Effect as a psychological version of this physiological problem. If you have, for lack of a better term, damage to your expertise or imperfection in your knowledge or skill, you’re left literally not knowing that you have that damage.


Fits Miro and the puppets to a T.
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I use synlube and never burn any oil......EVER---IN ANY OF MY CARS/EQUIPMENT!

Trajan's car burns oil,yet my lawn mower burns no oil!


I have to assume that you never actually operate any of this equipment. That's the only way I can imagine that such an absurdly absolutist statement can begin to approach the truth.

If you said your consumption rate (whether though leakage, combustion or theft by pixies) was negligible or undetectable, it would bear examination. As currently stated, it can be safely rejected out of hand.

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In NJ...we have emission regulations. Any oil burners are taken off the road.


That fib might fool people who neither live nor drive in Joisey. NJ has moved to a system where they plug into the diagnostic port & if they don't read any codes, you pass. They don't even look at the tailpipe, much less analyze what's coming out of it. I just passed NJ inspection last month with a miss due to a dead coil. I was late, hadn't had time to fix it and was planning to get a red sticker just to stay legal. Imagine my surprise when I passed emissions.
BEST ENGINES?

Ward's 10 best engines annually is based on emotional evaluation and a sometimes a test drive of a vehicle by Industry Magazine writers with approximate annual income of $40,000.

They are NOT engineers - or else they would never pick engines with built in mechanical flaws
They are NOT mechanics - or else they would not pick engines where you cannot access maintenance items
They are NOT consumers - or else they would not pick engines that are just plain too expensive to manufacture, and offer no measurable benefit over existing design already in production.

And their picks are littered with well problematic engines years down the road

Isuzu (General Motors) 6.6 L V8 engine Duramax Turbodiesel
Was the best ever engine - period in 2002

Now tell that to the owners in 2010 that experienced 100% failure of the Injectors and flooded their crankcases with Diesel Fuel (leaks into Motor Oil).

Tell that to those that had to spend $1,000's to fix the engines well before 100,000 miles on them and were fortunate not to seize them.

Tell the thousands of VW owners with their best engine why the engines sludge up, blow ignition cols and catch on fire.

SO only time tells how great something really is, and to me engine that runs reliably 40 years AFTER it has been designed and 26 years after it was manufactured is far better design and engine than one that is in the best car ever made that is in 7 years in a junk yard.

If money is NO object hen you can have the 10 best engines every year, just get new vehicle every month - but then if it is truly best (BMW) why does it depreciate to 33% of its original value in just one year of ownership ?

When the BEST does not hold it's value, how good really is it ?

To 82% of any vehicle owners (under 1 year) the BEST is what they bought, in 3 years only 42% think so and in 5 years it is just 13%.
Now if someone still owns and drives a same car 26 yeas letter they really really think it is the BEST and GREATEST EVER – whether someone else thinks so or otherwise is really irrelevant.
By volume of production and the minor changes in the versions the GM 350 V-8 reigns supreme, closely followed by the VW flat 4.

Now why did BMW had to come up with over 50 new engine designs in just under 12 years ?

Simply, they did not work out in durability and performance as "expected", when you FAIL and FAIL and FAIL again, that in itself is a SUCCESS !!!
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Originally posted by Lamont B Dumont:

quote:
In NJ...we have emission regulations. Any oil burners are taken off the road.


That fib might fool people who neither live nor drive in Joisey. NJ has moved to a system where they plug into the diagnostic port & if they don't read any codes, you pass. They don't even look at the tailpipe, much less analyze what's coming out of it. I just passed NJ inspection last month with a miss due to a dead coil. I was late, hadn't had time to fix it and was planning to get a red sticker just to stay legal. Imagine my surprise when I passed emissions.


It's the same here IIRC. Emission testing in PA is not required in 42 of the counties though. http://www.drivecleanpa.state.pa.us/info_non.htm
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Originally posted by Lamont B Dumont:
quote:
I use synlube and never burn any oil......EVER---IN ANY OF MY CARS/EQUIPMENT!

Trajan's car burns oil,yet my lawn mower burns no oil!


I have to assume that you never actually operate any of this equipment. That's the only way I can imagine that such an absurdly absolutist statement can begin to approach the truth.

If you said your consumption rate (whether though leakage, combustion or theft by pixies) was negligible or undetectable, it would bear examination. As currently stated, it can be safely rejected out of hand.

quote:
In NJ...we have emission regulations. Any oil burners are taken off the road.


That fib might fool people who neither live nor drive in Joisey. NJ has moved to a system where they plug into the diagnostic port & if they don't read any codes, you pass. They don't even look at the tailpipe, much less analyze what's coming out of it. I just passed NJ inspection last month with a miss due to a dead coil. I was late, hadn't had time to fix it and was planning to get a red sticker just to stay legal. Imagine my surprise when I passed emissions.




What was your point with the coil issue,lamont? Obviously your cat,cleaned up the exhaust!

However,everyone else I know with a dead coil issue...fails inspection because the Cat/o2 sensor/bad coil...always triggers the CEL.

If you really had a 'dead coil',you would have failed for two reasons. The check engine light would have revealed a least two codes.....Misfire/coil code,and Cat/o2 sensor code. You story doesn't sound credible!!! Illuminated CEL=failure in NJ.

I had the check engine light illuminate on my buick years ago due to an 'intermittent' misfire on the #1 plug wire. Yet,you are claiming a 'dead coil' and no CEL.......come on Lamont,get real!!

Moreover,I only knew of the bad wire...because of the CEL/Code. I had no driveability issues before the CEL. So,Lamont, how did you know you had an issue before going to the inspection station. OH,let my guess, Lamont.......you cleared the codes before going to inspection?---Problem is,that technique only works with very intermittent issues---dead coils throw 'hard' codes that trigger the CEL...immediately. Anyone can pass inspection with intermittent issues cleared just before inspection. Is that what you did? If so......no big deal------but not for a dead coil,no way!

My brother in law just failed inspection due to a faulty coil on his Nissan lighting up the CEL. He passed,only after installing a new coil,and a new Cat(he melted the old cat). Yes,he melted the old cat with only 1 misfire,and the subsequent raw fuel overheated the cat and melted/cooked the internals.


So,in sum........

The only plausible fib,Lamont............is your dead coil story---no CEL-passed inspection--STORY!


UPDATE........Jeep now has 17.5k on the Synlube oil. Level has not gone down at all.

Mustang...4.0 V6 engine now has about 14k on the Synlube oil. Level has not gone down at all.


The VW might use 1/2 liter in 10k or more. Just changed filter several months ago,and oil level is still full with 2500 since the filter change. I am going to wait and see for the exact mileage between top ups with the VW.

My small engines (mowers,etc), after 60 hours on the Synlube(newer walk-behind mower)............Oil is spot on full!! I know it sounds crazy........but it's true!
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So they the VW is an oil burner? I thought none of your cars used oil?

All engines use some oil, the amount varies but they do use oil. A certain amount, a very tiny amount, gets past the top ring, and is burnt off. How much oil an engine uses is anyones guess, but extend the OCI long enough and every engine will use some oil.

AD
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
So they the VW is an oil burner? I thought none of your cars used oil?

All engines use some oil, the amount varies but they do use oil. A certain amount, a very tiny amount, gets past the top ring, and is burnt off. How much oil an engine uses is anyones guess, but extend the OCI long enough and every engine will use some oil.

AD


I am presently checking to see IF...the VW uses some oil. So far...NONE. I am keeping very accurate log books. I just changed the filter and log it several months ago. I thought at the filter change I may have have added slightly more oil than the filter capacity to bring level up. The oil hasn't budged yet in 2500 miles,so we will see in the months to come.

I am keeping even better tabs of everything I do more precise,including cutting open the oil filters...every time now!! Every car has it's own log book. The Jeep and the stang had better/perfect record keeping,and have used no oil at all in 14-17k.so far.

The VW record keeping was not quite picture perfect as will be for the sake of this board,if nothing else. I did mention in an earlier post that the VW 'might' use 1/2 liter of oil in 10k+.....that would be a quart in 20K. I believe by definition,that is a 'dry" engine.

So far,according to my log book.....2500 miles since filter change,and the oil level is the same. VW Car has been driven on several(30 miles each way)highway runs in 100 degree heat,and level is EXACTLY THE SAME.Jeep was driven weekends 50 miles each way in this heat all summer,and no oil use(normal weekday driving). The Mustang is driven on the highway/city every day,and uses no oil.......NONE!!


Just for the record............VW'S (1.8T,2.0T.ETC)ARE KNOWN TO BURN OIL.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/vw_oil.html


THE PERFECT TEST CAR/ENGINE FOR SYNLUBE=1.8T VW-----DOESN'T GET BETTER THAN THIS TO PROVE SYNLUBE!!!!

http://www.myvwlemon.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000050.html

http://forums.vwvortex.com/sho...-Jetta-s-Burning-Oil

http://www.audiforums.com/foru...owthread.php?t=58531


http://www.myvwlemon.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000257.html

ACCORDING TO ALL SOURCES---THE 1.8T ENGINE IS A LEMON AND SHOULD NEVER SEE EXTENDED OCI'S.

NOT MY 1.8T!!!!! I AM DEFYING ALL THE STATISTICS USING SYNLUBE AND NOT CHANGING THE OIL!!!! NO ENGINE ISSUES WITH THIS 1.8T--AGAINST ALL ODDS!!
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Miro old boy, you can huff and puff all the "claims" you want.

Doesn't change the fact that BMW, or any other auto maker, makes cars that are light years ahead of anything called Yugo.

Yugos rank just a bit better than the 1947 Playboy. It makes a better boat anchor.

Only your sock puppets buy into your nonsense Geppetto.
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