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How to make an informercial for a bogus product.

Step 1: "Educate" the consumer.
Step 2: Introduce product

disclaimer: step 1 must not involve factual information and must not be on a subject that the average individual is well versed in. Step 2 must introduce a product that solves a problem that only exists in the fictional educational "step 1."
Last edited by trajan
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Originally posted by Trajan:
How to make an informercial for a bogus product.

Step 1: "Educate" the consumer.
Step 2: Introduce product

disclaimer: step 1 must not involve factual information and must not be on a subject that the average individual is well versed in. Step 2 must introduce a product that solves a problem that only exists in the fictional educational "step 1."



So, should I drain the now(according to you) 'fictional' lubricant out of my $40,000 Jeep G.Cherokee,Trajan!

Trajan,what subject matter are you well versed in?----just curious! Still waiting for that one!

Hey,what ever happened to your BMW? Is it still in the shop?
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:


In case your wondering---Synlube does have anti-foam agents,unlike some other motor oils that do not,and yet needs it in the worst way!


Name some oils that don't contain anti-foam agents. Facts please, not your speculation.

I think the major oil companies know how to blend oil. They don't go the Wal-Mart buy a qt of oil, rebottle it, tweak it, and call it their own, like some companies w/o addresses and business licenses do. Then plant shills on message boards trying to push product.

AD


This is more of a generalized issue,with plenty of evidence to back the foaming issues! Just for starters!

http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/255/oil-foam
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AD-They don't go the Wal-Mart buy a qt of oil, rebottle it, tweak it, and call it their own,


Ever try cooking walmart oil Ad, I have----this is what it looks like(the black test tube is a hint). Don't believe me........try it yourself. Synlube when cooked--------HAS ZERO SLUDGE/VARNISH,BECAUSE I DID THE EXPERIMENT!!

http://www.enhancedsyntheticoi...%20results.10.05.jpg


The above link is from Amsoil,but it gets the point across!!
Synlube shills/defenders make a number of claims that one would think many, if not most experts in the field would just laugh at.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence to back them, and they have yet to produce them.

We get no hard data. All we get is claims and worthless testimonials. More than their word is necessary. Especially when it goes against established theory/facts in motor oil. We need more than diatribes about flat earth and other such nonsense.

A constant theme with synlube is "We're smart, everyone else is stupid." Trying to paint your skeptics as narrow minded and stupid is the marketing technique of the fraudulent in order to stop one from thinking and just accept their claims. And on some, it works.

The warranty is a sham. There are many reasons to offer a warranty. And the reason is not always because the stuff is good, but to make people think it is. To me, the way it is written, it excludes just about anyone from making a claim.

Not that they could afford to pay anything anyway.
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
RC-
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I was gonna remind kirk that anecdotes STILL don't constitute data!



Have you read any of the links I pasted that were based on F-A-C-T ??????



Let's start from the top------------A-G-A-I-N!!!!!!! You guy's are slow learners,so we can now call this SUMMER SCHOOL!!!

FACTUAL LINK: AGAIN!!

http://www.schleeter.com/oil-sludge.htm

http://www.carbibles.com/engineoil_bible.html

http://webcache.googleusercont...=us&client=firefox-a

http://www.machinerylubricatio...udge-varnish-turbine


SYNTHETIC VS CONVENTIONAL......

http://www.autotropolis.com/wi...tic_vs._Mineral_Oils

http://www.carcraft.com/techar...ional_oil/index.html



THAT'S JUST FOR STARTERS,ROBERT C !!!! The only anecdotes I see are coming from you,Rob!!


Be specific. Where are the FACTS about Synlube?

Those are all general knowledge.

you are providing anecdotes about the wonders of synlube.

Facts are what count, and none have been forthcoming from any reliable source.
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AD--
Dino doesn't sludge engines, poor maint and poor design sludge engines.



DINO OIL ABSOLUTELY CAN SLUDGE UP AN ENGINES!--POOR MAINTENANCE SIMPLY EXACERBATES THE PROCESS!


Have you been reading all the proof I gave?


I have done this E-X-A-C-T experiment BELOW----------Have you,AD. I know how to make sludge/varnish........USE DINO OIL!!

http://www.outboardmotoroilblo...conventional_oil.jpg



The above sludged up beaker on the right cannot be replicated using Synlube...........I tried,and could not even make slight Varnish,and I cooked the synlube to well over 500-F-----I ignited it at one point from the intense heat I put to it!!

I challenge any of the so-called Tribologist experts on this thread to Try it!


Just a reminder of this link too!

http://www.enhancedsyntheticoi...%20results.10.05.jpg


Notice that even the Amsoil test tube has at least some sludge/varnish,the synlube heat/cook test I performed yielded no sludge/varnish!

If you changed your 'DINO' oil 'every day',you would still have some sludge/varnish in the rings and ring lands.!! The oil is cooked and baked in that region and the carbonized deposits are abrasive and will cause increased wear---you won't see with Synlube!
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Kirk, because you say it's so, means it's so? LOL

No one here is going to waste $32 to buy a qt of your oil to test it. Is this some new sales technique?

Imagine someone cooking your oil? You'll tell them they used the wrong stove or heat source. I can get any good synthetic oil that will protect as well, or better than yours and have a company with an address to back it up. Oh yea, and not be using a 50 wt oil in the process. My ride calls for a 30 grade the GF's ride a 20 grade. 50 grade no thanks, especially come winter time.

BTW Mobil cooked their oil in a frying pan to demo a point, nothing new there.

Dino oil hasn't let me or any of my family down. My father and uncle are at this close to 40 years now. If there was a problem they'd have found it. Proper care is the key, and use what the mfg says to use. What could be easier?

AD
And, furthermore. If dino oil was so bad, the oil companies would not make it as no one would buy it. And auto makers would not spec it.

This back door attempt to sell synlube is inane. None of the more knowledgable/respected posters here are buying into it. Even one of its staunch defenders isn't using it.

This swill didn't fly at BITOG. No idea why it's still trying here.

Maybe because they're hoping that if they repeat the same undocumented dribble long enough, we'll all buy it just to shut them up?

And it isn't up to me or anyone else to test this swill. That onus is on the ones who push it.

The repeated failure to come up with any extraordinary evidence to back the extraordinay claims can only mean that they know it's junk oil. But can't admit it.

We want data. Not anecdotes or testimonials. The proof that NASA uses it. The proof that the Oakland PD used it. The proof the US military uses it. The proof that it doesn't sludge even known sludger engines.

All those claims have been made. And no evidence to back them.
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And, furthermore. If dino oil was so bad, the oil companies would not make it as no one would buy it. And auto makers would not spec it.



Sure Trajan---That's why you ran (dino)oil in your BMW?? Remember,you only ran the factory approved lube(G-III syn) in your BMW,and look how that turned out! Your car is now toast because of it!

KEEP DRINKING THE KOOL-AID!


A little education for Ya! The oil companies cannot 'stop' making dino oil as long as we have a need for fuel. Dino oil is a by-product of the refining process of crude into various fuels and all the other fractionated by-products that result from the distillation process!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_refinery

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cracking_%28chemistry%29


Bottom line. All the end products get sold and used up in the market place---PERIOD!
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Trajan--Shoddy maintainenence leads to sludge. (Includig not changing oil. Overlong oci's.)


We already are aware that nelect is never good, Trajan. Abuse/neglect is not the only thing that causes sludge.

http://www.myvwlemon.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000532.html


I suppose you could say I am neglecting my car more than anyone out there who had sludge and perhaps didn't change their oil often enough,unlike myself-------WHO NEVER CHANGES THE OIL!....and yet I have no sludge/issues!

According to you Trajan,I should have nothing but sludge due to all the neglect.....so why don't I have at least some sludge??

Well......


What's up with your BMW?

Well........
Your own links kid indicate you have sludge by not using the correct viscosity.

Where are the facts about synlube?

Where is the evidence supporting the claims made?

All you have produced, all any of you have produced, is either anecdotes or general knowledge.

The former is worthless. All the latter does is show that buying a $32 bottle of synlube is no better than buying a $6 bottle of M1 0w-40.

Piss poor salesmanship to say the least.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence to back them up.

Like RobertC says "Anecdotes still do not constitute data. Never have, never will. No amount of shilling will make it so."

Marketing hype is no subsitute for analytical data.

Misdirection and smokescreens are no subsitute for analytical data.

Testimonials are no subsitute for analytical data.

Such data is sorely lacking when it comes to synlube.
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