Just to further the fact that miro doesn't know what he's talking about
Oil Service 15,000 miles
Replace oil and filter
Reset service indicator
Check front brake pads
Check rear brake pads
Check parking brake operation
Replace cabin air filter
Inspection 1 30,000 miles or 24 months (whatever is first)
The above, plus:
Check manual transmission fluid level. (If equipped)
Check all underhood componets/hoses for fluid leaks.
Check and drivebelts and replace if necessary.
Check steering and suspension components.
Check exhaust systems and mountings.
Check condition and operation of seatbelts.
Check headlight beam alignment.
Check operation of headlight/windshield washer system.
Check engine management system.
Road test.
45,000 miles/36 months
Repeat oil service.
60,000/48 months: Inspection II
repeat Ins 1
Replace spark plugs
Check drive shaft boots.
There's more to it,Like air filter changes, but it's more than the oil change he claims.
What he also doesn't mention is that the dealer arranges a loaner car for you. (I've had two 3 series sedans and a new Toyota Camry. The guy who owns the BMW dealership also owns the Toyota and Lexus dealership next to each other.)
You can of course wait at the dealer, but they give you a free loaner, so why bother.
Read our primer articles on High Mileage Oil, Synthetic Oil and Kinematic Viscosity
quote:Originally posted by BKL98MK8LSC:
BMW uses low tension piston ring sets on purpose. They provide less parasitic drag on the cylinder walls and superior cylinder lubrication at high RPM high load. Small and large high specific output engines from many brands use this strategy. Not a problem. They are designed this way for A reason. Its not the oils fault they chose this engineering compromise.
Very well said. Also, I didn't know that. Thanks!!
Since the tolerances are so much better and engines tighter, I'd stay clear of that 50 grade oil you're pushing and follow mfg specs, using an approved oil.
No point mail ordering anything, pick a good synthetic oil from a reputable company and have at it.
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No point mail ordering anything, pick a good synthetic oil from a reputable company and have at it.
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quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:
Since the tolerances are so much better and engines tighter, I'd stay clear of that 50 grade oil you're pushing and follow mfg specs, using an approved oil.
No point mail ordering anything, pick a good synthetic oil from a reputable company and have at it.
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One of his own links states that one way to combat sludge is to use the correct viscosity. Using synlube in a Mustang isn't it.
quote:Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
How would the dealer even know the 'synthetic oil' was in the pan for up-to-35k.
You have to come up with receipts/proof the oil changes were within the prescribed time limit.
quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
Has made claims that using his "oil", or other oils, will result in no sludge. And, so far, has never produced any verifiable results, any independant tests, that back that up.
Trajan, why does Capt. Kirk have to prove anything? He's successfully using it in all of his vehicles. There's your proof.
quote:Originally posted by Trajan:quote:Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:
My Drop to the bucket:
Just like oil will surface to the surface no matter what BP may claim about it, lies and deceptions will eventually surface too.
So synlube like..........
So Trajan like. Where's that engine belonging to you neighbour that sludged-up using Synlube, eh Big Mouth?
Well?
quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
You're right. It isn't a problem. It's far from a problem. The dealer doesn't see it as a problem. My mechanic doesn't. People who own and drive these cars, unlike kirk, don't see it as a problem.
No synlube, no worries.
Dirty engine. Burns oil. Using ARX to fix. Blame the original owner. No problem. BMW says so. No problem. Mechanic say so. No problem. What me worry? Alfred E. Newman = Trajan.
6000 miles and a qt of oil is needed, come on guys lets get real. That is not oil burning.
With all the positive press 3 people are giving Synlube, only two of them are using it. One of them owns the company. The other a shill. How come no one else is stepping up to the plate? Probably because most people reading about it realize what it's all about.
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With all the positive press 3 people are giving Synlube, only two of them are using it. One of them owns the company. The other a shill. How come no one else is stepping up to the plate? Probably because most people reading about it realize what it's all about.
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fowvay quote...
I used this stuff after reading an article in European Car. At least I think it was European Car magazine back then.... anyhoo...
I put it in my 1986 Jetta Diesel at 121,000 miles and installed a canton mecca remote oil filter at the same time. I changed the filter every 25,000 miles and added a quart of oil at that time.
I sold the car at 486,000 miles after it was rear ended by a Chevy Chevette doing 45mph. It still ran great and delivered a solid 42mpg in the city (redline to redline shifts) and averaged a healthy 52mpg at 70mph.
I did change the oil out every 50,000 miles as per there directions back in the early 90's and allthough extremly black it still was performing very well and there was no sludge build up anywhere.
I thought the company had fallen off the face of the Earth or had gone out of business. That is untill today when I came across a link to it from another website.
I will try it out first in our Ford Focus since it sees the most use. I will report back in 2 years when it had accumalted 50,000 miles and let you know the averages.
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Hi, Gary Allan. I will also take a VOA and send it in together with the UOA. I have been driving 10000 km(6200 miles) now, since I filled my old Nissan with Synlube. All I can say now, is that this seem to be the best oil I have ever used. However, this is based on sounds from the engine being gradually reduced, how the engine idles and how I think it performs,as well as a slight reduction in fuelconsumption. I will do a lot of driving this summer, so I was planning to send in a UOA when I reach some 20K miles.
I also have ordered their gear oil, and already have their oil in the diff. I also ordered their microglass filter, and I will replace the OEM Nissan oil filter with this. I don't think you can go wrong, by using their products, but if anyone can give some info proving otherwise, I would be glad to know. In the meantime, I keep on driving to test it.
And Many,many others like myself and so forth have been using synlube for many years now.........
I used this stuff after reading an article in European Car. At least I think it was European Car magazine back then.... anyhoo...
I put it in my 1986 Jetta Diesel at 121,000 miles and installed a canton mecca remote oil filter at the same time. I changed the filter every 25,000 miles and added a quart of oil at that time.
I sold the car at 486,000 miles after it was rear ended by a Chevy Chevette doing 45mph. It still ran great and delivered a solid 42mpg in the city (redline to redline shifts) and averaged a healthy 52mpg at 70mph.
I did change the oil out every 50,000 miles as per there directions back in the early 90's and allthough extremly black it still was performing very well and there was no sludge build up anywhere.
I thought the company had fallen off the face of the Earth or had gone out of business. That is untill today when I came across a link to it from another website.
I will try it out first in our Ford Focus since it sees the most use. I will report back in 2 years when it had accumalted 50,000 miles and let you know the averages.
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Hi, Gary Allan. I will also take a VOA and send it in together with the UOA. I have been driving 10000 km(6200 miles) now, since I filled my old Nissan with Synlube. All I can say now, is that this seem to be the best oil I have ever used. However, this is based on sounds from the engine being gradually reduced, how the engine idles and how I think it performs,as well as a slight reduction in fuelconsumption. I will do a lot of driving this summer, so I was planning to send in a UOA when I reach some 20K miles.
I also have ordered their gear oil, and already have their oil in the diff. I also ordered their microglass filter, and I will replace the OEM Nissan oil filter with this. I don't think you can go wrong, by using their products, but if anyone can give some info proving otherwise, I would be glad to know. In the meantime, I keep on driving to test it.
And Many,many others like myself and so forth have been using synlube for many years now.........
quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:
6000 miles and a qt of oil is needed, come on guys lets get real. That is not oil burning.
With all the positive press 3 people are giving Synlube, only two of them are using it. One of them owns the company. The other a shill. How come no one else is stepping up to the plate? Probably because most people reading about it realize what it's all about.
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Why doesn't inhaliburton step up to the plate???????
Yep. it's far from oil burning. Especially when you consider what BKL pointed out. Which I'll post again since they *still* don't get it:
*****Originally posted by BKL98MK8LSC:
BMW uses low tension piston ring sets on purpose. They provide less parasitic drag on the cylinder walls and superior cylinder lubrication at high RPM high load. Small and large high specific output engines from many brands use this strategy. Not a problem. They are designed this way for A reason. Its not the oils fault they chose this engineering compromise.*****
The problem these three have is that no one, either here or at bitog, is jumping on their bandwagon.
Still a mystery why one of the fans fears to use it. Or why the other two don't go after him.
Only someone who knows nothing about BMWs, or cars in general, would find 1qt/6k a problem.
A few years ago: http://www.pistonslap.com/tsb/010601011A.pdf
The accepted rate of oil consumption for engines used in the vehicles referenced is 0.946
liter (1 qt) in 3200 km (2000 mi). This rate only applies to personal use vehicles, under
warranty, maintained in accordance with the appropriate maintenance schedule, with less
than 58,000 km (36,000 mi), or 80,450 km (50,000 mi) for Cadillac, driven at legal
speeds in an unloaded (for trucks) condition.
Oops, they've been skunked again.
They probably feel the same way about Mazda's rotary engine as well.
A sure fire sign you're burning oil is the cloud of blue smoke. Don't have that.
I should also point out that none of my three fans stuck their beaks in this thread until *after* I chose the oil. Very telling.
quote:Originally posted by Captain Kirk:quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
Maybe kirk should read this again?
*******Originally posted by BKL98MK8LSC:
BMW uses low tension piston ring sets on purpose. They provide less parasitic drag on the cylinder walls and superior cylinder lubrication at high RPM high load. Small and large high specific output engines from many brands use this strategy. Not a problem. They are designed this way for A reason. Its not the oils fault they chose this engineering compromise. ********
I already explained the ring pressure issue. Here it is again.
This low ring pressure is not an engineering compromise.......it's an engineering achievement!
All engineering is a combination of compromises. It is possible to go to far with any of them. The best choices are a matter of constant debate and tend to become self evident over time through successes ,failures or plain mediocrity. Some companies are better at making these decisions than others. The same goes for oil companies and car companies.
Ah yes, ole jonny b. The guy who insulted anyone who dared question synlube. Or any other miracle in a can..... never did that VOA/UOA.
Just like inhaliburton. a guy who not only still defends a swill known as synlube, but is too scared, lacks the courage of his convictions, isn't man enough, to actually use it.
What can you expect from a child who, being that he lacks any ability, can only do things like make up lies. Find that thread you accussed me of inflicting ruin on yet? Oh, that's right, you made it up.
Just like inhaliburton. a guy who not only still defends a swill known as synlube, but is too scared, lacks the courage of his convictions, isn't man enough, to actually use it.
What can you expect from a child who, being that he lacks any ability, can only do things like make up lies. Find that thread you accussed me of inflicting ruin on yet? Oh, that's right, you made it up.
I think we agree on some points. GM did not go with their own specification because they were happy with API. Being blown off for a period of years makes the general REAL unhappy. What their specific issues are I dont know but certainly it was something. Europe and japan have gone their own way and are not immune to problems. I think the elephant in the room that is causing issues is government regulations. Pressure to reduce waste streams to a minimum got the Europeans to specify long OCI and some got bit. Regulations on VOC emissions here have made crankcase ventilation systems very effective moisture traps. CAFE standards are pushing manufacturers to spec lighter oils than they would otherwise use,even if only slightly. Non of these are deal breakers when all you have to do is change your oil to fix it. Forcing 100000 mile catalytic converter life at the expense of safe reliable engine wear protection and sabotaging older engines with mechanical valve trains is a piss poor use of government power,however well intentioned. The engineering responses to regulation are as varied as can be,some are successful,some not. BMW is not immune to this. The crank case ventilation system on some models can fail in very cold weather and suck all the crankcase oil into the intake manifold and cause engine destruction. Not the oils fault unless you count water trapped in it. When the water freezes the valve fails. These may be the failures your referring to.
quote:Originally posted by BLK98MK8LSC:
The crank case ventilation system on some models can fail in very cold weather and suck all the crankcase oil into the intake manifold and cause engine destruction. Not the oils fault unless you count water trapped in it. When the water freezes the valve fails. These may be the failures your referring to.
That is a problem in the colder climates. IIRC there is a cold climate version of it. It's insulated IIRC.
FWIW, "normal" PCV valves can have the same thing happen. For instance: http://www.subaruforester.org/...-ltd-heads-up-47434/
Not a problem I have though.
I wasnt picking on BMW but on the VOC emission regs that dictate sealed up tight crank cases. They trap moisture to the point of build up. Does depend on conditions.
quote:Originally posted by BLK98MK8LSC:
I wasnt picking on BMW but on the VOC emission regs that dictate sealed up tight crank cases. They trap moisture to the point of build up. Does depend on conditions.
I know, I just didn't see the need to quote the whole post
You may find this of interest:
http://www.bimmerfest.com/foru...wthread.php?t=422965
"To cool the piston crowns directly, nearly all BMW engines are equipped with oil spray jets that moisten the piston crowns with engine oil."
I wasn't aware they had that feature.
Low tension rings for superior cylinder lube. Check.
Oil spray jets for the piston crowns. Check.
Very acceptable oil consumption rates as determined by the people who know what they're doing. Check.
Nobody buying what miro/kirk/inhal sell. Check.
Miro/kirk/inhal displaying their wealth of ignorance on such things. Check and mate.
Oil spray jets for the piston crowns. Check.
Very acceptable oil consumption rates as determined by the people who know what they're doing. Check.
Nobody buying what miro/kirk/inhal sell. Check.
Miro/kirk/inhal displaying their wealth of ignorance on such things. Check and mate.
quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
Not a problem I have though.
That's right. Your problem is a dirty engine that burns oil.
quote:ADFD1
In 1990 you could get 3 YUGO's for a price of one M3 BMW
Today you can get 2 used M3 (1990) for a price of ONE used YUGO (1990).
Funny how that proves your theory tested over 20 year time period.
May the best car be worth-less !!!