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I was asked how I messured 2 different synlube samples both labeled 5w50.

I use like most oil mfgs ASTM D 445. Look up routine it is very detailed as to test setup and protocol I follow it exactly with cannon calibrated tubes etc give me credit for doing this right. Question still stands I have 2 different samples that are NOT 50 wt why?
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This is what I meant. A reply from the DoE.

Your email to the Secretary of Energy requesting information on public access to Mercury, Nevada has been forwarded to me.

Mercury serves as the "base camp" for operations of the National Nuclear Security Administration's Nevada Test Site. As such Mercury is not open to the general public. Further, there are no private businesses operating within Mercury or the Nevada Test Site. There is not a "Mirox Corporation" operating a business in Mercury or the Nevada Test Site.

I hope this answers your question. If you have further questions please feel free to contact me either by email or the phone numbers listed below my signature block.


Darwin J. Morgan, Director
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quote:
Originally posted by Nucleardawg:
How do YOU NOT KNOW IT???

Perhaps it was just a lack of quality control at the Mercury, NV facility????...What a joke Synlube turned out to be. And now it's all over the web.


You didn't answer the question. How could you? You know that it's not true. Another example of your lack of knowledge on the subject.
The question I believe Inhaliburton is why are 2 different Synlube samples not there stated viscosity????????????

If the consumer cannot rely on this companies product, to meet its stated viscosity, why should they trust anything about Synlube. ANSWER: You can't believe anything the 'Synners' say about the product, as it is all lies. You can't truthfully answer the question, so the 'synlube shuffle' starts as always. what a joke
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Originally posted by Nucleardawg:
Yeh I read that as well. Good to post though Trajan, as people need to know the depths of Synlubes lies.

The thing is, these guys are awfully ignorant, as they don't think anybody will catch on, and when they do, the Synlube shuffle starts, and the insults are hurled.


Before this thread gets locked down like the other maybe this might explain the viscosity question.

By the way nuke.....talk about insults.........have you read some of your very insulting post lately?? You're the best!!!

Miro Kefurt
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Posted Fri April 16 2010 02:15 AM Hide Post

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bruce381


What equipment do you have ?

Make, Model, method you use, when calibrated and what standard (calibration) is used.

None of your posts reveal that.

If you are using rotary equipment the results will not match CANNON Fenske for opaque liquids.

Also what is your bath stabilization method and how you determine the sample is at that temperature ?

What cc of the fluid is used ?

Not to atack any of your measurements, just curious to know.

If you need to know we use

Cannon-Fenske Opaque
Viscometers

Calibrated CFOC (9721-F50) Series

150 for 100C and 300 model for 40C

The volume is 24 ml and the stabilization is 15 minutes.

Clock is computer syncho to Colorado clock, on off timing opto electronic.

And the standard:

Mfg. Date: 2/25/2010 CANNON® CERTIFIED VISCOSITY STANDARD
Viscosity Lot Use
Standard: S20 No.: 08104 before: 2/28/2011
Temperature
Kinematic
Viscosity Viscosity Density
Saybolt
Viscosity
°C °F mm2/s, (cSt) mPa ⋅s, (cP) g/mL seconds
20.00
25.00
37.78
40.00
50.00
98.89
100.00
68.00
77.00
100.00
104.00
122.00
210.00
212.00
43.49
33.98
19.65
18.02
12.63
3.797
3.720
37.53
29.22
16.73
15.32
10.66
3.084
3.020
0.8630
0.8598
0.8516
0.8501
0.8437
0.8124
0.8117
96.3 SUS
All data are traceable to the National Institute for Standards and Technology

Calibration date 3/31/2010

When one of the tests was reported as 23.5 we did test the same batch and when corrected for density it for sure is not 9.9. or 10.5 = all those reports reported at different times ON the SAME batch of fluid.

Can you explain why 10.5 and 23.5 and now 9.9 and 9.9 ? Clearly it is not consistent thus

Understanding Significance of Expanded Uncertainty is in order !

Once you have made error, is the first meacurement error, the second, the third, or all of them ? How about the average of the first two ? = 17 ???



All I can say different means of testing result in different values for someting that is NOT absolute like "viscosity".

But then people that claimed SAE 5W-50 is to thick (we always refer to is as "apparent" viscosity) should now have no fears to pour it onto ordinary SAE 30 applications.
So the synlube shuffle starts...Deny, Deny, Deny. Captain Kirk who is this 'WE' who refers to it as 'apparent' viscosity? Miro, is that you?

Synlube '5W-WHATEVER'? ok, if thats what you want, thats what we shall call it...

Why don't you be truthful, to the people who buy it, expecting what is advertised. Some un-suspecting person may view it as FALSE ADVERTISING.

Synlube '5W-WHATEVER' was on sale at Wally World
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Originally posted by Nucleardawg:
So the synlube shuffle starts...Deny, Deny, Deny. Captain Kirk who is this 'WE' who refers to it as 'apparent' viscosity? Miro, is that you?

Synlube '5W-WHATEVER'? ok, if thats what you want, thats what we shall call it...


Why don't you be truthful, to the people who buy it, expecting what is advertised. Some un-suspecting person may view it as FALSE ADVERTISING.

Synlube '5W-WHATEVER' was on sale at Wally World


LOL remember Synlube is magic oil, there is no testing equipment except equipment in Mercury NV that is capable of testing this stuff. But remember only Miro and Kirk occupy that neck of the woods. The viscosity is whatever Kirk/Miro state it is. Take that as Gospel!

AD
Guys, let's not get carried away and get another locked thread. (And I include myself.)

The question is, why are two different samples from a VOA come up out of weight?

They are sold and labeled as 5w-50, and yet neither sample has that weight.

I'm not a tribologists, but it seems to me that an oil labeled as Xw-XX should indeed be Xw-XX. Not Xw-YY or Xw-WW.

I take it that what ever is being blended is not consistent?

If so, that's fine. But if you're selling a 30w oil as a 50w, that's rather dishonest.
Per the synlube PDS bruce tested both samples using the same standard used by synlube.
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SynLube Lube-4-Life® INITIAL FILL - Motor Oil (Universal Version)

GENERAL INFORMATION
Physical State: Viscous Liquid
Color: Opaque Black
Odor: Characteristic
Odor Threshold: N/D

Viscosity, ASTM D 445
cSt @ 40º C; (mm2/sec) 100.4
cSt @ 100º C; (mm2/sec) 17.55


HTHS Viscosity, mPa•s @ 150ºC, ASTM D 4683 5.0
Viscosity Index 201
SAE Viscosity (J300) 5W-50
ISO Viscosity 100
MRV at -35ºC 27,653
Viscosity Index 201
SAE Viscosity 5W-50
ISO Viscosity 100


Sulfated Ash, wt%, ASTM D 874 0.02
Phosphorous PPM 1000

Pour Point, ºC, -45
Boiling Point, ºC, 316
Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 275.8



Density @15º C kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.926
Vapor Density (Air = 1): > 2 at 101 kPa
Vapor Pressure: at 20°C < 0.013 kPa (0.1 mm Hg)
Total Base Number (TBN) 11.8
Solubility in Water: Negligible
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