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Where is teh FTP-75 test for any oil sold by SHELL, ExxonMobil, AMSOIL, BP ?

We have done it FORD vehicle, AAA Lab, no one from SynLube touched the car for 82,000 miles.

No Oil company is willing to run FTP-75 even with their recommended oil changes !!!

And how come when you use their "oil" when the vehicle is over 75,000 miles they tell you you now have to use "high mileage" oil as their regular oil just sludged up your engine and caused seals to harden.

None of you have even noticed that one ?

Any set of any data in one point in time has no value, only a long documented trend, like retention of low emissions for over 100,000 miles is far more valuable.

Why don't you ask you favorite Oil Company to provide such test data ?
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Originally posted by Trajan:
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Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:


No one could buy SynLube privately before 1985 as it was classified as a "strategic material" and you had to get clearance from Department of Defense to use it.
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Yeah, sure. Can you provide the verifiable evidence of that?

Here perhaps? http://www.globalsecurity.org/.../report/1988/JGA.htm

Here?
http://www.emporia.edu/earthsc...natalie/newindex.htm


Well????????????????? This is a thread about synlube, isn't it?

Dodging the questions and relying on misdirection and deflection isn't going to change that.

BTW, none of my vehicles, all of which have gone over 100,000 miles on non synlube oil, have ever failed any emmision test.

http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/cycles/ftp75.html.

The FTP-75 (Federal Test Procedure) has been used for emission certification of light duty vehicles in the U.S. Effective model year 2000, vehicles have to be additionally tested on two Supplemental Federal Test Procedures (SFTP) designed to address shortcomings with the FTP-75 in the representation of (1) aggressive, high speed driving (US06), and (2) the use of air conditioning (SC03).

The FTP-75 cycle is derived from the FTP-72 cycle by adding a third phase of 505s, identical to the first phase of FTP-72 but with a hot start. The third phase starts after the engine is stopped for 10 minutes. Thus, the entire FTP-75 cycle consists of the following segments:

1.cold start phase
2.transient phase
3.hot start phase.
The following are basic parameters of the cycle:

•Distance traveled: 11.04 miles (17.77 km)
•Duration: 1874s
•Average speed: 21.2 mph (34.1 km/h).

Why would an oil company run an emission test when this test is for a vehicle?



Oh, I never used high milage oil either.
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The only measure of Engine Lubricant performance that any Automotive Engineer will recognize is the effect on emissions (lower emissions is better; poor lubricant will increase tail pipe emissions by up to 20%); duration of such effect (over useful vehicle life as defined by Clean Air Act = 75,000 miles or 150,000 miles if PZEV in California ONLY); effect on fuel consumption (less fuel used when compared to "control oil SAE 20W-30" is better); duration of the fuel consumption effect (only 2,000 miles for most API licensed oils, and over 82,000 for SynLube)

1.8% MPG improvement City
3% MPG improvement Highway

Emission reduction compared to SAE 5W-20 OEM Fill 50% on average. (CO, HC, NOx)

Emission at 100,000 miles lower than OEM (FORD)certification test at 4,000 miles

NO OTHER LUBRICANT AT ANY PRICE CAN DO IT.

Project Description: SynLube Lubricants Long Term Test

AAA Project Identification Number: 81

Project Number: 2002-0317-1

Project Begin Date: 2/26/2002

Project Finish Date: 7/6/2007


NO OIL COMPANY can or ever will run a test for 5 years, as every 3 to 4 years they change the formulations, mainly because they are unable to meet the latest OEM specifications with their current products.


Sensible people will argue for 5 years or more when they do not have any proof, but since their ego was hurt because they can not afford a decent vehicle and drive what US Congress (hey you elected them ?) determined to be a CLUNKER (anything that is pre 2001).

If vehicles are as durable as some of you think they are why do 14 to 16 million vehicles annualy get junked ?

And why are you not still driving 1950's someting ?

PS: IRS defines even today "vehicle useful life" to be 5 years or 50,000 miles - so if you have ANY legitimate business you can depreciate it to ZERO in those two alternatives.
Miro..you are quite the expert in getting cough in your own lie...

Oil company have to change their formula to meet new standard ,the best example is sulphur which was a main component in lots of oil and even fuel before .You saying non stop did other company provide this and that.....well why dont you? The only question ,in every forum ever asked to you is data.Suddenly your product user show up and damn they know much about the product,i mean they almost seems to know more about it then yourself.When we ask number you treat us like we are idiot and moron,try to act like a victim and at the end still avoid the original question data....then you claim no one can read that data ,i mean you are the only specialist in the world.

So smart you cant even afford a proper web page
,even back in the days,front page was a laughing stock ,why use front page when you can do your own coding in html. But its true you are friend with Bill Gates and he use your oil in a Lamborghini ,while the only car Gates did even own was Porsche .

Your lie have become so big,so unbelievable,so incredible,its time for you to realize in what kind of mess your put yourself in .



And sorry to the mods,ill try to keep with more constructive post in the future,ill say its the first time someone online put me that much on the defensives.I just wish they where law against scam and because my rig is one of my passion ,get told my truck is a piece of junk really make me ...well.My last post on this matter,i did troll enough in that matter i admit it.
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Sigh...........

We're still waiting for you to enthrall us with accurate, verifiable data.

Like....

The 9,000 engines you claim were ruined by proven oil.

The DoD list with synlube on it.

The 14-16 million vehicles junked anually.

I would suggest you read "How to win Friends and Influence People."

And maybe take up some remedial business classes on how to represent your product.

Because not only are you not winning any, but your obvious inability to produce any verifiable information and constant refusal to stay on point, is an influence.

You influence people not to try this product.

Anyhow... Going further is pointless. There ism just no way this shillube is going into the new Mustang, let alone the Z4.

100,000 miles = clunker. Now that is funny.

Bye...
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I have to say that this thread has gone do far off of the deep end with this product, that it really isn't worth all of the aggrevation to read it anymore.

He said this and that, and they retaliated to it just doesn't cut it.

I asked questions, I found out some information, and formed MY opinion, and acted as such with the lubricant that I currently use: Brad Penn. New, no. Full synthetic, no. Affordable and meets my needs, absolutely.

That's all that matters, what YOU think and want in your vehicles crankcase. Anything else is pure fluff.
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Project Description: SynLube Lubricants Long Term Test

AAA Project Identification Number: 81

Project Number: 2002-0317-1

Project Begin Date: 2/26/2002

Project Finish Date: 7/6/2007


On our web for 3 years, AAA test took 5 years and still you refuse to accept a proof,

If you can not trust AAA and FORD and EPA, then simply you can not trust anyone....

Yet you trust and use petroleum oil from companies that are proven to lie and fake tests, like SHELL, CASTROL, etc.

www.ftc.gov

Keeping your head in tar sand in hope it will turn to synthetic oil is probably the only appropriate action for the refusenicks !
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http://www.synlube.com/PR201001.htm
Real Person Real CAR

http://www.synlube.com/press.htm
Test run by AAA on FORD vehicle and submitted to EPA

http://www.synlube.com/pr03.htm
Real Person Real CAR

http://www.synlube.com/pr02.htm
Real Car test on BERTONE

http://www.synlube.com/pr01.htm
Real Car test for KIA

SHELL, ExxonMobil, BP, Citgo, UNOCAL, AMSOIL does not have a single vehicle that went that far even with regular oil changes to prove that their oil "works" - and if ti is necessary to change the formulation every 3 to 5 years that alone proves that the "previous" formula DID NOT WORK adequately to be used in the latest MY vehicles.

But if you already have the best possible lubricant available, there is NO NEED to change the formulation, ever .....
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Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:
http://www.synlube.com/PR201001.htm
Real Person Real CAR

http://www.synlube.com/press.htm
Test run by AAA on FORD vehicle and submitted to EPA

http://www.synlube.com/pr03.htm
Real Person Real CAR

http://www.synlube.com/pr02.htm
Real Car test on BERTONE

http://www.synlube.com/pr01.htm
Real Car test for KIA

SHELL, ExxonMobil, BP, Citgo, UNOCAL, AMSOIL does not have a single vehicle that went that far even with regular oil changes to prove that their oil "works" - and if ti is necessary to change the formulation every 3 to 5 years that alone proves that the "previous" formula DID NOT WORK adequately to be used in the latest MY vehicles.

But if you already have the best possible lubricant available, there is NO NEED to change the formulation, ever .....


I had hopes I was done.but the continued propigation of non verifiable data says otherwise.
I believe late next week we will have a VOA, that's Virgin Oil Analysis, on this Synlube from a totally independent and unbiased lab, it will come from somebody who has alot of experience, I do not think anyone here is buying that Miro only knows somebody who can interpret what is in this oil.

All of the proof will be presented to show how this product was obtained.

I believe this VOA will show us that Miro probably uses some oil from Wal-Mart for his basestock and then he puts his witches brew into it.

I do not believe you can run any oil, including Synlube without some side effects, since this Synlube starts out as a 5W-50 motor oil I would hate to see how much it thickens up after 15,000 or more miles of use.

I believe all of these additives in Synlube will just eventually clog up someone's engine and just lead to more wear.

I also believe the synthetic media oil filters Synlube sells are definetly like the Amsoil EaO Oil Filters with the Donaldson synthetic media, the problem with this media is that in the 1st 10,000 miles it lets more contaniments flow through your engine than a Pure One type oil filter. Whether the oil filter media is synthetic or cellulose paper it will eventually clog up, and when this happens your oil filter goes into bypass and you have more junk floating around your engine.

I saw the post here where a gentleman dumped his factory fill of oil on his new car at 800 miles or so and put Synlube in, at 16,000 miles his valvetrain was making serious noise, he got the Synlube out and everything went back to normal.

I am sorry Synlube, but today's cars need thin oil, meaning a 5W-30, 5W-20, or a 0W-20. The days of thick oil's are far gone. The reason being is that many of todays engines are either single or dual OHC engines, you need the oil to travel from the bottom of the oil pan to the top of the engine. This Synlube stuff might have been o.k. back in the 1950's.

Miro, there is no way that your 5W-50 oil is going to pump up faster on a 0 degree morning than a Mobil 1 0W-20 or a Pennzoil Platinum 0W-20, even a 5W-30 oil will pump up faster. I really think that you are hiding something from us, and I think an unbiased VOA will expose what you do not want us to know.

If your oil was so good, I believe there would be other lifetime oil's on the market, or oil's like yours that could go the proclaimed 50,000 miles.

I see you bash other motor oil's and oil companies, I can remember the owner of a particular oil additive who said his oil additive was the best, we found out his product did not work and that he had no tests to back up his claims that his product was the best, it was actually the worst, I smacked him around so good on this board that the guy pleaded with the admins to take my threads down, he just was no match for me.

I did use that pathetic oil additive, but I will not be using your oil based on what has been written here in this thread, but Miro, I will give you credit, you are a fighter and you believe in your product and even though this thread may make Synlube look bad, you have not asked for this thread to be deleted, you do not give up, so I can definetly say that you must know more about Synlube than Frank Miller knows about auto-rx.
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Originally posted by Big Bear:
I believe late next week we will have a VOA, that's Virgin Oil Analysis, on this Synlube from a totally independent and unbiased lab, it will come from somebody who has alot of experience, I do not think anyone here is buying that Miro only knows somebody who can interpret what is in this oil.

All of the proof will be presented to show how this product was obtained.

I believe this VOA will show us that Miro probably uses some oil from Wal-Mart for his basestock and then he puts his witches brew into it.

I do not believe you can run any oil, including Synlube without some side effects, since this Synlube starts out as a 5W-50 motor oil I would hate to see how much it thickens up after 15,000 or more miles of use.

I believe all of these additives in Synlube will just eventually clog up someone's engine and just lead to more wear.

I also believe the synthetic media oil filters Synlube sells are definetly like the Amsoil EaO Oil Filters with the Donaldson synthetic media, the problem with this media is that in the 1st 10,000 miles it lets more contaniments flow through your engine than a Pure One type oil filter. Whether the oil filter media is synthetic or cellulose paper it will eventually clog up, and when this happens your oil filter goes into bypass and you have more junk floating around your engine.

I saw the post here where a gentleman dumped his factory fill of oil on his new car at 800 miles or so and put Synlube in, at 16,000 miles his valvetrain was making serious noise, he got the Synlube out and everything went back to normal.

I am sorry Synlube, but today's cars need thin oil, meaning a 5W-30, 5W-20, or a 0W-20. The days of thick oil's are far gone. The reason being is that many of todays engines are either single or dual OHC engines, you need the oil to travel from the bottom of the oil pan to the top of the engine. This Synlube stuff might have been o.k. back in the 1950's.

Miro, there is no way that your 5W-50 oil is going to pump up faster on a 0 degree morning than a Mobil 1 0W-20 or a Pennzoil Platinum 0W-20, even a 5W-30 oil will pump up faster. I really think that you are hiding something from us, and I think an unbiased VOA will expose what you do not want us to know.

If your oil was so good, I believe there would be other lifetime oil's on the market, or oil's like yours that could go the proclaimed 50,000 miles.

I see you bash other motor oil's and oil companies, I can remember the owner of a particular oil additive who said his oil additive was the best, we found out his product did not work and that he had no tests to back up his claims that his product was the best, it was actually the worst, I smacked him around so good on this board that the guy pleaded with the admins to take my threads down, he just was no match for me.

I did use that pathetic oil additive, but I will not be using your oil based on what has been written here in this thread, but Miro, I will give you credit, you are a fighter and you believe in your product and even though this thread may make Synlube look bad, you have not asked for this thread to be deleted, you do not give up, so I can definetly say that you must know more about Synlube than Frank Miller knows about auto-rx.


Nice post bear. Maybe this VOA will put this all to rest. Maybe this is the greatest oil ever made, and once XOM, Shell etc. find out they'll buy the rights to the product. Everyone has a price, and if the product is as good as the shills pushing it want us to believe, the oil companies will hit that price! Then we won't have to hear this nonsense anymore.

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QUOTES FROM BIG BEAR.
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I believe this VOA will show us that Miro probably uses some oil from Wal-Mart for his basestock and then he puts his witches brew into it.
You have absolutely no basis for this yet. If you deny what SynLube says and claim they should offer proof of their claims then you should adopt the same standard and substantiate your own counterclaim. And that's simple enough to do. Buy a quart of the oil and have it analyzed by Terry Dyson. I e-mailed him about SynLube and he is genuinely interested in learning more about it. He isn't ready to conclude it's snake oil if I have interpreted his comments appropriately.

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I believe all of these additives in Synlube will just eventually clog up someone's engine and just lead to more wear.

I believe there is valid reason for you to reconsider. Did you somehow miss my post? I have had SynLube installed in my Ranger for over six years. Nothing has clogged up yet. And by now, if there were any truth to your claim, I think I'd have had to replace the engine. Of course you can choose to believe that I'm not being truthful but where's the motivation to defend this product if the engines I've installed SynLube in had sustained damage? If it had, I'd be on the other side screaming about what happened to my engine.

To date, oil consumption is nil, I pass my emissions tests easily, the plugs are clean, there's no smoke or deposits forming on the tailpipe. I get well above the EPA estimates for mileage. How can SynLube fail as badly as you expect it to and my engine perform as well as it does?

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I am sorry Synlube, but today's cars need thin oil, meaning a 5W-30, 5W-20, or a 0W-20. The days of thick oil's are far gone. The reason being is that many of todays engines are either single or dual OHC engines, you need the oil to travel from the bottom of the oil pan to the top of the engine. This Synlube stuff might have been o.k. back in the 1950's.
This isn't true at all. The thin oils are a compromise. Because today's engines have EFI and overhead cams AND because the OEMs still want to use conventional oils, they specify a thin oil because more wear occurs during a cold start than at any other time. They are willing to sacrifice a bit of wear when the engine is warm. This in no way means that SynLube won't work. I have used Synlube in three cars, my current Ranger and two Focus prior to it. None of them had the first problem using this lubricant. Sometimes, I go weeks between starts, even in winter but when I start the engine, there isn't a hint of noise that would indicate a dry lubrication condition and believe me there is no worse sound in the world. SynLube adheres better and the dry lubricants in colloid form are fully capable of protecting the engine alone until the oil begins to circulate.

Consider this: If you search the web, and read the information by the lube manufacturers about their thin oils they will talk about the quality of their oils and they will talk about how long they last but I have not found one site where they say that engine wear is the same or less than the thicker oils. And that's because they can't.

With SynLube you don't have to compromise. And if you tried SynLube, you'd change your mind about it.
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Well a VOA should put this to rest once and for all, we hope. I would think the report will be honest, and revealing. I have a feeling Synlube's spin masters will quickly go to work if they don't like the report. OTOH if Synlube's claims are in fact the truth then sales should go through the roof. But I know quite a few people who still wouldn't use it even if it were free. Reason being the attacks made by the shills on Bitog. Tough job building bridges that have been destroyed.

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Originally posted by ADFD1:
Well a UOA should put this to rest once and for all, we hope. I would think the report will be honest, and revealing. I have a feeling Synlube's spin masters will quickly go to work if they don't like the report. OTOH if Synlube's claims are in fact the truth then sales should go through the roof. But I know quite a few people who still wouldn't use it even if it were free. Reason being the attacks made by the shills on Bitog. Tough job building bridges that have been destroyed.

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Now you know that if it isn't done at Miro's recommended lab, or done by someone who doesn't use it, or if you don't use your real name and location, that any result is wrong.

The preceeding only applies of the result is unfavorable Big Grin
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Well a UOA should put this to rest once and for all, we hope. I would think the report will be honest, and revealing. I have a feeling Synlube's spin masters will quickly go to work if they don't like the report. OTOH if Synlube's claims are in fact the truth then sales should go through the roof. But I know quite a few people who still wouldn't use it even if it were free. Reason being the attacks made by the shills on Bitog. Tough job building bridges that have been destroyed.
If you buy a quart of SynLube and submit it to Terry Dyson for analysis, there won't be much room for spinning. He's an acknowledged expert on oil analysis and I believe he has corresponded with Miro about his oil. Let us know when you submit the sample since you would be inclined not to believe the results if we submitted it.

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Consider this Houckster: As I pointed out earlier, you own synlube, so it is to be expected that you say what you do.
What do you mean I OWN SynLube? I'm a customer and nothing more. I live in Georgia. If you can't tell the difference between my style of writing and those of Miro Kefurt, you haven't been reading very closely.
Heavier is better. Thicker is better. You can tell the viscosity of oil by feel (between your thumb and fore finger). “I’ve used straight 30 weight for years.” Motor oil viscosity is not that big a deal. Thicker motor oil is better for your engine and increases engine life. One must use SAE 20W-50 motor oil if the vehicle has over 100,000 miles on it. SAE 5W-20 is too thin to protect the engine. Synthetic SAE 5W-30 is thinner than conventional SAE 5W-30 motor oil. Straight weight oils (i.e., SAE 30) give better protection than multi-viscosity oils.
Fact: There are two main reasons why vehicle manufacturers recommend thinner or lighter viscosity grades of motor oil. First, a gain in fuel economy can be achieved with lower viscosity oil. At cold temperatures and at start up, lower viscosity oil will reduce internal engine friction. About 10% of the engine's horsepower is lost to internal engine friction, resulting in a drop in fuel economy. Additionally, vehicle manufacturers are struggling to meet Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) requirements set by the government and avoid paying associated fines. Any fuel mileage improvement associated with a lubricant use would be good for them, and lighter viscosity grade motor oil will make a difference.

Second, thinner motor oil is essential for easy starting, particularly in cold weather, and for proper lubrication once the engine starts. Today's smaller engines have smaller clearances and tighter tolerances between moving parts, and there have been some instances where camshaft damage has occurred because of inadequate lubrication with higher viscosity grades in colder weather. Thinner oils, such as SAE 5W-30, will flow faster than heavier motor oils during start-up and initial engine operation and will help protect the engine from excessive wear. Multigrade oil will also offer the same high temperature protection as single grade motor oil. Always check your vehicle owner's manual to select the proper viscosity grade based on the expected temperature range. The viscosity grade(s) recommended by the vehicle manufacturer depend somewhat on engine design. Engine manufacturers have spent considerable time and expense experimenting with different viscosity grades and have indicated in the owner's manual the grades they feel will best protect the engine at specific temperatures. While one manufacturer's engine may require an SAE 10W-30, another manufacturer's engine may require an SAE 5W-20 viscosity grade. This is likely due to different tolerances within the engine or other engine design factors.


Houckster, I am sorry to say that you sound alot like Frank Miller over at auto-rx who never tested his product and made claims that were not true. If these thinner oil's out today did not protect as well as thicker oil's we would have engines seizing left and right.

I have seen a VOA on Pennzoil Platinum and Pennzoil Ultra and I base everything on my observations from using variuos oil's and oil additives.

Pennzoil Platinum is an awesome oil
Auto-Rx just does not work for me or anyone
MMO is a fantastic product

I can back up what I say with my observations and other people have followed my lead with great results, you cannot back up your statements with any kind of proof, since you have quoted me then I must have struck a nerve with you.

How about bringing some of these satisfied Synlube users on here so I can ask them some questions.

How about some Valvetrain Pics

A super thick oil like your Synlube might be o.k. for some sustained high RPM driving, but most of us do not drive like that.

Can you tell me what kind of oil you use for your basestock, can you show us pictures of the great big Synlube plant where your product is made, give us a You-Tube Video, I bet you won't do that.

You probably use some Shell Rotella 15W-40 which has a 40 Degree Celcius number close to your Synlube product, then you go out in your garage and mix the stuff up.

Don't feel bad, Miro, at least you personally mix your stuff up, I like that in you, it seems you personally mix your stuff into the base oil to make Synlube.

Frank Miller at arx has Havilland Products in Michigan ship and bottle auto-rx to him in Florida.

Miro, prove me WRONG with some You-Tube Video of the great Synlube Factory that makes this product, I doubt it, becuase I called you a few weeks ago and you had no Synlube, you told me that you needed to make a new batch, that had me thinking that this stuff is mixed up in your garage.
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Fact: There are two main reasons why vehicle manufacturers recommend thinner or lighter viscosity grades of motor oil. First, a gain in fuel economy can be achieved with lower viscosity oil.
I will put my mileage up against any user with any other oil whether it be 0W20, 5W20 or whatever. There is no proof that these oil provide any improvement in milage other than in the lab and that by a very small amount not evident on the street.

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Can you tell me what kind of oil you use for your basestock, can you show us pictures of the great big Synlube plant where your product is made, give us a You-Tube Video, I bet you won't do that.

You probably use some Shell Rotella 15W-40 which has a 40 Degree Celcius number close to your Synlube product, then you go out in your garage and mix the stuff up.

Don't feel bad, Miro, at least you personally mix your stuff up, I like that in you, it seems you personally mix your stuff into the base oil to make Synlube.


Obviously you consider me to be Miro Kefurt. If you do that's going to put an end to this exchange. I cannot answer for Miro. I can only testify to my own experience and opinions.
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Originally posted by Houckster:

What do you mean I OWN SynLube? I'm a customer and nothing more. I live in Georgia. If you can't tell the difference between my style of writing and those of Miro Kefurt, you haven't been reading very closely.


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Originally posted by Trajan:
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Originally posted by Houckster:

What do you mean I OWN SynLube? I'm a customer and nothing more. I live in Georgia. If you can't tell the difference between my style of writing and those of Miro Kefurt, you haven't been reading very closely.


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Trajan, you beat me too it, I was just about to post the same thing you did.

Miro or if you want to go by Houkster, will you answer my questions.
Big bear you got a point,in my application,they recommended 5w20 since i see deep cold during the winter,-50 Celsius in not uncommon here .Im not brand loyal when it come to oil,if anyone could give me some lube with a better pour point i would jump on it.

Ford is a very popular brand here for fleet vehicle,just the site where i work own over 300 F150 and they doing extremely long oci.These truck are kept in the worst condition ,dirt road,low speed limit between 30 and 50 kmh ,they are mostly run 24/24 7 day a week and the driver beat these like they stole them.Still they survive,im yet to see a dead engine.These truck are kept for 3 year then sold,most of them are over 100k,wont say in the best shape...still they are working ,my point? ANY engine can last that long without heavy maintenance these day,will last 3 time longer if the maintenance is done properly .Why Miro is so afraid of any vehicle over 100k?
no offense guys, but i think we have to lock this thread and continue in the already formed new one. Useful text out of this thread can be copied, i will inform Mike to remove the offensive, offtopic and unrelated post in this thread. Lets keep it clean, professional and polite. This is one of the few websites where you can trust (most of) the info without being influenced by sales talk. The brand does not matter as long as specs are right IMHO
I do not know who was able to edit my profile on BITOG but I have corrected the information. I repeat, I do not live in Nevada, I live in Georgia. I do not own any part of SynLube and I am only a customer.

If you are going to continue to regard me as Miro Kefurt, I'll let you have the last word as I will see no possibility of any productive exchange.
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Wow too Big Grin......only admint and you can edit this....
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Originally posted by Houckster:
I do not know who was able to edit my profile on BITOG but I have corrected the information. I repeat, I do not live in Nevada, I live in Georgia. I do not own any part of SynLube and I am only a customer.

If you are going to continue to regard me as Miro Kefurt, I'll let you have the last word as I will see no possibility of any productive exchange.
Do you remember your posting below 1 year ago..? and still nothing data?
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Hello All, after a long-long time journey about this lubricant, i'm still waiting the test result from Houckster, He promissed on September 2008 will provide the test result but untill today we cannot recieve this.
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I have no excuse. I've been extremely lazy. I'm going to try and get the sample in later this week.
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Originally posted by Houckster:
I have no excuse. I've been extremely lazy. I'm going to try and get the sample in later this week.


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Originally posted by Houckster:
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Well a UOA should put this to rest once and for all, we hope. I would think the report will be honest, and revealing. I have a feeling Synlube's spin masters will quickly go to work if they don't like the report. OTOH if Synlube's claims are in fact the truth then sales should go through the roof. But I know quite a few people who still wouldn't use it even if it were free. Reason being the attacks made by the shills on Bitog. Tough job building bridges that have been destroyed.
If you buy a quart of SynLube and submit it to Terry Dyson for analysis, there won't be much room for spinning. He's an acknowledged expert on oil analysis and I believe he has corresponded with Miro about his oil. Let us know when you submit the sample since you would be inclined not to believe the results if we submitted it.

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Consider this Houckster: As I pointed out earlier, you own synlube, so it is to be expected that you say what you do.
What do you mean I OWN SynLube? I'm a customer and nothing more. I live in Georgia. If you can't tell the difference between my style of writing and those of Miro Kefurt, you haven't been reading very closely.
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Originally posted by vitual_mage:
The irony is that i work in a mine,tar sand.....where we making synthetic crude oil,we running the biggest truck in the world Caterpillar 797b,and even with the best oil recycling system in the world,they still have to do oil change every 500 hours....if a product could make these truck run longer then that ,believe me they would know about it and use it.


Now would they know about it?? Have they already tested it and therefore would know? Every 500 hours?...what are they using now in the mining industry?? Best oil recycling in the world?? Really? It would last forever if that were true. What is it?? Do you mean by-pass filtration?? Centrifuge type?? Heated?? What is the main filtration doing? Top ups? etc.etc.

Let me just guess about the oil. It is probably someting of industry standard or mainstream stuff,..just a guess though. Most company heads use whatever is considered normal for that industry and what everyone eles uses in that particular industry. The standard! If they are happy doing that,so be it!! I don't always like standards because it's status quo. I look for new and better standards,..and why not.
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Originally posted by Trajan:
You really have lost it. You whine how there are people who only post in a synlube thread. Can you point out all the thread here you posted in?

I wonder if you realize that people tend to post in a thread that they have an interest in?

You're grasping at straws. Your persecution compplex is in full cry.

Why don't you post accurate, verifiable, data on this miracle product instead of this nonsensical gasconade of yours?

9,000 engines failed due to using oils of proven ability? List them.


I (captain kirk),think you need to disprove what is already fact and all over the net. Look at all the re-calls and sludge issues. Why do you think these oil forums already exist. If oil was that good,there would be no issues/discussions anywhere. Why all the oil forums all over the net??

Why does almost every store bought oil claim to fight all the sludge issues,...just read the bottles. Common oils have many negative issues,and it's already proven. Do you ignore this?

It is you grasping at staws,..you have the persecution complex.
Kirk IIRC I read somewhere that you have no financial interest in Synlube. If you do then correct me, if not why bother fighting this lost battle? The whole thing is rediculous, no customer is this loyal. I see you getting battered on Bitog as well. Might be time to pack up and leave? It is clear no one is drinking your Kool-Aid.

Maybe a few qts of the magic oil was sold for VOA's due to these threads. Then we'll have some facts and figures in black and white for all the members to see. You know what they say about figures? Liars can figure, but figures can't lie.

AD
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Originally posted by enochca:
Wow too Big Grin......only admint and you can edit this....
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Originally posted by Houckster:
I do not know who was able to edit my profile on BITOG but I have corrected the information. I repeat, I do not live in Nevada, I live in Georgia. I do not own any part of SynLube and I am only a customer.

If you are going to continue to regard me as Miro Kefurt, I'll let you have the last word as I will see no possibility of any productive exchange.


LOL a conspiracy, 31,000+ members on Bitog and his info was selected to be tampered with to frame him. LOL Awesome entertainment, and it's free!

AD
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Originally posted by Trajan:
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Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:


No one could buy SynLube privately before 1985 as it was classified as a "strategic material" and you had to get clearance from Department of Defense to use it.
....


Yeah, sure. Can you provide the verifiable evidence of that?

Here perhaps? http://www.globalsecurity.org/.../report/1988/JGA.htm

Here?
http://www.emporia.edu/earthsc...natalie/newindex.htm


Hey Trajen,it would be rather refreshing iiiiiffff,....you could bring something to the table besides all the negative comments. Do you ever have something positive? I do not, after reading your posts believe you are really that skeptical. Come oonnnn!!! It's seems by now you are doing this just to be amusing and antagonize people. I hope you enjoy amusing yourself!!
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Originally posted by Trajan:
This the most reasonable post, IMO, of this entire thread.

The days of thick oil aren't completely gone though. (BMW S54 engines for example.) But I doubt that any Z4M owner would use Synlube.)


The Europeans are using thick oil!! 5w-40. It is the 5w that pumps during a cold start. The 5w-20 is only for CAFE standards,..look it up,it's a fact.
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Originally posted by Trajan:
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Originally posted by Houckster:

What do you mean I OWN SynLube? I'm a customer and nothing more. I live in Georgia. If you can't tell the difference between my style of writing and those of Miro Kefurt, you haven't been reading very closely.


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I read just fine old boy. Your profile from BITOG. Do read the line in red and get back to me.


Wow! Trajen,..Are you for real!! The statement in red is indicative that he is using more than one of the total product line up!! It does not in any way state he owns the "company". If you didn't get that,...all the issues at hand communicating with you now makes sense. I see we have a lot of work to do!! Would you like to start at the beginning sir!!
When someone (you know who) denies to find on the Internet multiple evidence of TOYOTA and LEXUS and VW and CHRYSLER engine that dies from sludge and the fact that all the class action suits that had thousands of plaintifs WON money for the "class" then he to me is totally ignorant of the facts - just as all those I want UOA data are totally ignorant of the BERTONE, KIA, AAA, FORD and EPA test results on SynLube which exceed any API "licensing" requirement - he has to modify and fake documents to "prove" this or that, like that anyone who posts anything positive about synlube or claims to use it has to be ME !!!

SAD SAD SAD - get a life !!!

And change it every 3,000 miles or 3 months which ever occurs first as if you do not your life will deteriorate.....due to lack of maintenance!
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
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Originally posted by Trajan:
This the most reasonable post, IMO, of this entire thread.

The days of thick oil aren't completely gone though. (BMW S54 engines for example.) But I doubt that any Z4M owner would use Synlube.)


The Europeans are using thick oil!! 5w-40. It is the 5w that pumps during a cold start. The 5w-20 is only for CAFE standards,..look it up,it's a fact.


So you agree with Big Bear on synlube then.

PS: Anericans use thick oil too. Or are you saying that all the S54 powered cars built and or driven here don't.
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Originally posted by Trajan:
Here's an easy question. Since you are ignoring the MSDS thread I have to ask here.

Why is the MSDS dated 3/19/2010?

Why isn't it posted at your site?

Why did none exsist prior to 3/19/2010?

And the same questions for the PDS, except change the date to 3/17/2010.


Give him some time to edit the site, and change the date of the MSDS. The change should up shortly Smile. Everything is on the fly with Synlube.

AD
MSDS date is the date the MSDS is printed or submitted to anyone, whch we did on a request of a customer, that is Federal Legal Requirement (of course you can not find that in your Internet savy search) and indicates approval as of that date, it automatically informs the buyer/user inder OSHA rules that MSDS is valid as of that date. Last time anyone legitimately requested MSDS was in 1997. MSDS is NOT a public document the only requirement is that it is supplied UPON REQUEST to people who may handle ship or use the product associated with the MSDS.

Every company in USA and especially Oil Companies also have disclaimer that does not warrant anything, since any MSDS is ONLY valid for the product as shipped as of date of shipment and no assumptions can be made that the product is the same if the dates do not match.

With all the objections you raise for CURRENT and THEREFORE the ONLY LEGAL MSDS as of Date of ISSUE (APPROVAL) just immagine the noise you would make with document dated in 1997 !!!
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Also since 1996 United States Courts for the Ninth Circuit ruled that SynLube "formula" is a "trade secret" we are not at liberty to disclose anything to anyone that is not already a public information on our website.

Anyone violating such court order is subject to fines and or imprisonment.

So if you want a long vacation at a Federal expense, go ahead, make my day !!!
Decisions by the court (Federal District) are usually final, unless it sends the case back to the trial court for additional proceedings, or the case is accepted for review by the Supreme Court of the United States.

So if you want any more information you just have to take your case to Supreme Court, and that is it, period.

So no more requests for any information, you simply will not get it without Legal Brief to Supreme Court.

By now it also should have dawned on you, that you may be subject to "wire fraud" under Federal Regulations ....

When the men in black come knocking, be ready !!!
SynLube is NON PETROLEUM - take time to find out about someting you comment on and know absolutely NOTHING about !!!

Also we are not in EU but in USA, rules are totally different, just like USA does not use "metric" system, they do not have the same Laws and Regulations like EU - USA just has to be different, even it it is the last enclave in the world to use Inches, Feet, Gallons, etc....

When ever I have used edit - as I do now - I have also been accused of tampering with my previous posts - yet another NO NO, and now YOU are recommending it !!!! .:[EM]:.

So resolve that conflict with Trajan and the others, has the "edit" prohibition been lifted ?
And also even in EU, the same regulation applies that is valid in USA under OSHA rules:

Material safety data sheets should provide professional users information about the risks involved in working with the product. The professional user does not only concern the end user, but also the conveyer, employees in warehouses or distribution centres, experts on workplace safety, an employer, etc. There is no obligation to provide Material Safety Data Sheets to consumers. Not even when they ask for it.
Quote right from the link you supplied .:[EM]:.

So again we do not even have to do it if ASKED !!!
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Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:

You are neither customer, handler or user of SynLube, so you have NO LEGAL RIGHT to MSDS.


And, seeing how you are with potential customers/handlers/users, I will never be one.

If I have no legal right to an MSDS, how come I can get one for Mobil 1 5w-30? A product that I neither buy, use, or handle?

MSDS are not meant for a consumer, but any reputable business will supply one on request.

IOWs, it's called good public relations.

Drat, 39 pages, and still, nothing to convince me to use this instead of what I use now.

Don't see that changing.

And, just to be clear, I'm not the only one to ask for an MSDS, so why come after me only?

Just curious.

In an effort to kee posts down.....

I went back to where this was posted:

AAA Project Identification Number: 81

Project Number: 2002-0317-1

I couldn't find it at the AAA site. Only at synlube. Can you link where it is at AAA?
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Originally posted by vitual_mage:
Big bear you got a point,in my application,they recommended 5w20 since i see deep cold during the winter,-50 Celsius in not uncommon here .Im not brand loyal when it come to oil,if anyone could give me some lube with a better pour point i would jump on it.

Ford is a very popular brand here for fleet vehicle,just the site where i work own over 300 F150 and they doing extremely long oci.These truck are kept in the worst condition ,dirt road,low speed limit between 30 and 50 kmh ,they are mostly run 24/24 7 day a week and the driver beat these like they stole them.Still they survive,im yet to see a dead engine.These truck are kept for 3 year then sold,most of them are over 100k,wont say in the best shape...still they are working ,my point? ANY engine can last that long without heavy maintenance these day,will last 3 time longer if the maintenance is done properly .Why Miro is so afraid of any vehicle over 100k?


Even amsoil addresses the 5w-20 as not being needed and too thin!! Go Check it out. I guess they are wrong as well according to all the "experts" on this forum!!
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
Kirk IIRC I read somewhere that you have no financial interest in Synlube. If you do then correct me, if not why bother fighting this lost battle? The whole thing is rediculous, no customer is this loyal. I see you getting battered on Bitog as well. Might be time to pack up and leave? It is clear no one is drinking your Kool-Aid.

Maybe a few qts of the magic oil was sold for VOA's due to these threads. Then we'll have some facts and figures in black and white for all the members to see. You know what they say about figures? Liars can figure, but figures can't lie.

AD

I am not getting battered on that site. More than once a post of mine went unanswered because I won that particular argument. Moreover,..Why don't you take your own advice and pack up and leave!!
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
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Originally posted by vitual_mage:
Big bear you got a point,in my application,they recommended 5w20 since i see deep cold during the winter,-50 Celsius in not uncommon here .Im not brand loyal when it come to oil,if anyone could give me some lube with a better pour point i would jump on it.



Even amsoil addresses the 5w-20 as not being needed and too thin!! Go Check it out. I guess they are wrong as well according to all the "experts" on this forum!!


well....i do need thin oil,its not just something i use for fun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn-ZBdKu7O8

enjoy....
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
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Originally posted by vitual_mage:
Big bear you got a point,in my application,they recommended 5w20 since i see deep cold during the winter,-50 Celsius in not uncommon here .Im not brand loyal when it come to oil,if anyone could give me some lube with a better pour point i would jump on it.

Ford is a very popular brand here for fleet vehicle,just the site where i work own over 300 F150 and they doing extremely long oci.These truck are kept in the worst condition ,dirt road,low speed limit between 30 and 50 kmh ,they are mostly run 24/24 7 day a week and the driver beat these like they stole them.Still they survive,im yet to see a dead engine.These truck are kept for 3 year then sold,most of them are over 100k,wont say in the best shape...still they are working ,my point? ANY engine can last that long without heavy maintenance these day,will last 3 time longer if the maintenance is done properly .Why Miro is so afraid of any vehicle over 100k?


Even amsoil addresses the 5w-20 as not being needed and too thin!! Go Check it out. I guess they are wrong as well according to all the "experts" on this forum!!


Applications
AMSOIL Synthetic 0W-20 Motor Oil is recommended for Honda, Acura, DaimlerChrysler, Toyota, Ford and all other applications where SAE 0W-20 or 5W-20 is required with the following specifications:

•API SM/CF, SL, SJ. . .
•ILSAC GF-4, 3. . .
•ACEA A1/B1
•Ford WSS-M2C930-A
•Chrysler MS-6395N

If Amsoil is saying 5W-20 is too thin, then why do they have a 0W-20 Motor Oil.

I bet if you put this Synlube in a car calling for a 5W-20 and there was some kind of engine problem and they found out you used 5W-50 they would probably void the warranty.

If someone using Synlube has a problem, will Miro pay to have the engine fixed, I doubt it, use Synlube at your own risk.

I am certainly not going to listen to someone associated with Synlube about what viscosity of oil to put in my vehicle, and that goes for Amsoil too, I will go buy my owner's manual, and if anyone's owner's manual says it is o.k. to use a 5W-50 motor oil, then maybe consider Synlube, but since no automobile manufacturer recommends a 5W-50 motor oil or changing your oil every 5 years or 50,000 miles then I think most people will pass.

I read this whole thread last nite and I got a HEADACHE, if I put Synlube in my engine I am sure 10,000 miles later I would have more than a headache, it would be an expensive headache.

Whatever happened with Synlube sending a used oil sample to Terry Dyson.
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Originally posted by vitual_mage:
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
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Originally posted by vitual_mage:
Big bear you got a point,in my application,they recommended 5w20 since i see deep cold during the winter,-50 Celsius in not uncommon here .Im not brand loyal when it come to oil,if anyone could give me some lube with a better pour point i would jump on it.



Even amsoil addresses the 5w-20 as not being needed and too thin!! Go Check it out. I guess they are wrong as well according to all the "experts" on this forum!!


well....i do need thin oil,its not just something i use for fun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn-ZBdKu7O8

enjoy....
Since you live in the land of the Alberta clipper, I am sure you have a cold weather package on the jeep?? Block heater,and oil pan heater. Even with the best oil,at -40,warming up things before you crank the engine is best. I know of propane heaters that are used when no electric is available by some. After all the mods you have performed thus far,a cold weather package would be a prudent choice.

Also, why is 5w-20(petroleum) better than 5w-30 synthetic,the cold weather spec is better with the 5w-30 syn. Or why not use 0w-30 synthetic at least? However,it does depend on the brand and so forth. Once your engine heats up the 5w-30/ 0w-30 is better for the sake of argument. Just look at the specs.
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Originally posted by Big Bear:


I am certainly not going to listen to someone associated with Synlube about what viscosity of oil to put in my vehicle, and that goes for Amsoil too, I will go buy my owner's manual,


That's why I use the oil I use. M1 0w-40 and GC 0w-30 are BMW approved. I don't care what the oil maker claims. Not on the list, not going into my engine.

Synlube doesn't meet any ACEA or BMW spec.
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Originally posted by Trajan:
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
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Originally posted by Trajan:
This the most reasonable post, IMO, of this entire thread.

The days of thick oil aren't completely gone though. (BMW S54 engines for example.) But I doubt that any Z4M owner would use Synlube.)


Big bear is agaist thick oil for the most part. I made it clear that I am not.

The Europeans are using thick oil!! 5w-40. It is the 5w that pumps during a cold start. The 5w-20 is only for CAFE standards,..look it up,it's a fact.


So you agree with Big Bear on synlube then.

PS: Anericans use thick oil too. Or are you saying that all the S54 powered cars built and or driven here don't.
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Since you live in the land of the Alberta clipper, I am sure you have a cold weather package on the jeep?? Block heater,and oil pan heater. Even with the best oil,at -40,warming up things before you crank the engine is best. I know of propane heaters that are used when no electric is available by some. After all the mods you have performed thus far,a cold weather package would be a prudent choice.

Also, why is 5w-20(petroleum) better than 5w-30 synthetic,the cold weather spec is better with the 5w-30 syn. Or why not use 0w-30 synthetic at least? However,it does depend on the brand and so forth. Once your engine heats up the 5w-30/ 0w-30 is better for the sake of argument. Just look at the specs.


I do have a block heater,a 250w pad heater under the oil pan , battery blanket and the most important heated seat.
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Big bear is agaist thick oil for the most part. I made it clear that I am not.

The Europeans are using thick oil!! 5w-40. It is the 5w that pumps during a cold start. The 5w-20 is only for CAFE standards,..look it up,it's a fact.


Actually most of the U.S. auto manufactures are against thick oil, my car is speced for a 10W-30 motor oil and I found it runs better on 5W-30 motor oil.

I could really care less what the Europeans are using, so if they are using a thick oil then sell your stuff over there, because we are not buying your thick stuff.
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Originally posted by vitual_mage:
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Since you live in the land of the Alberta clipper, I am sure you have a cold weather package on the jeep?? Block heater,and oil pan heater. Even with the best oil,at -40,warming up things before you crank the engine is best. I know of propane heaters that are used when no electric is available by some. After all the mods you have performed thus far,a cold weather package would be a prudent choice.

Also, why is 5w-20(petroleum) better than 5w-30 synthetic,the cold weather spec is better with the 5w-30 syn. Or why not use 0w-30 synthetic at least? However,it does depend on the brand and so forth. Once your engine heats up the 5w-30/ 0w-30 is better for the sake of argument. Just look at the specs.


I do have a block heater,a 250w pad heater under the oil pan , battery blanket and the most important heated seat.


Then why do you claim to need thin oil. You are heating up the oil,..so cold starts should not be an issue.

I see more cold starts then you,and I live in NJ without any cold weather package. It does get plenty cold in NJ especially during the early morning such as single digits or even zero F.(-17.8 C.).

Therefore my oil(synlube) is actually more chilled than what your jeep will experience in Alberta because of your pan heater in the dead of winter in the early morning. Your oil would be heated to about 60 F. I would think. I will assume if no propane heater then you probably start and run your engine if your off road etc. to maintain some warmth.

I once ran amsoil series 2000, 20w-50 in another car and it started at zero F.(-17.8 C.) and not even one tick,at 175,000 miles!!
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
Well a VOA should put this to rest once and for all, we hope. I would think the report will be honest, and revealing. I have a feeling Synlube's spin masters will quickly go to work if they don't like the report. OTOH if Synlube's claims are in fact the truth then sales should go through the roof. But I know quite a few people who still wouldn't use it even if it were free. Reason being the attacks made by the shills on Bitog. Tough job building bridges that have been destroyed.

AD
I think you have it quite the reverse. The synlube skeptics will be as usual, the spinmasters!!
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Originally posted by Big Bear:
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
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Originally posted by vitual_mage:
Big bear you got a point,in my application,they recommended 5w20 since i see deep cold during the winter,-50 Celsius in not uncommon here .Im not brand loyal when it come to oil,if anyone could give me some lube with a better pour point i would jump on it.

Ford is a very popular brand here for fleet vehicle,just the site where i work own over 300 F150 and they doing extremely long oci.These truck are kept in the worst condition ,dirt road,low speed limit between 30 and 50 kmh ,they are mostly run 24/24 7 day a week and the driver beat these like they stole them.Still they survive,im yet to see a dead engine.These truck are kept for 3 year then sold,most of them are over 100k,wont say in the best shape...still they are working ,my point? ANY engine can last that long without heavy maintenance these day,will last 3 time longer if the maintenance is done properly .Why Miro is so afraid of any vehicle over 100k?


Even amsoil addresses the 5w-20 as not being needed and too thin!! Go Check it out. I guess they are wrong as well according to all the "experts" on this forum!!


Applications
AMSOIL Synthetic 0W-20 Motor Oil is recommended for Honda, Acura, DaimlerChrysler, Toyota, Ford and all other applications where SAE 0W-20 or 5W-20 is required with the following specifications:

•API SM/CF, SL, SJ. . .
•ILSAC GF-4, 3. . .
•ACEA A1/B1
•Ford WSS-M2C930-A
•Chrysler MS-6395N

If Amsoil is saying 5W-20 is too thin, then why do they have a 0W-20 Motor Oil.

I bet if you put this Synlube in a car calling for a 5W-20 and there was some kind of engine problem and they found out you used 5W-50 they would probably void the warranty.

If someone using Synlube has a problem, will Miro pay to have the engine fixed, I doubt it, use Synlube at your own risk.

I am certainly not going to listen to someone associated with Synlube about what viscosity of oil to put in my vehicle, and that goes for Amsoil too, I will go buy my owner's manual, and if anyone's owner's manual says it is o.k. to use a 5W-50 motor oil, then maybe consider Synlube, but since no automobile manufacturer recommends a 5W-50 motor oil or changing your oil every 5 years or 50,000 miles then I think most people will pass.

I read this whole thread last nite and I got a HEADACHE, if I put Synlube in my engine I am sure 10,000 miles later I would have more than a headache, it would be an expensive headache.

Whatever happened with Synlube sending a used oil sample to Terry Dyson.


If you actually read the amsoil site,then you would know why they have the 5w-20 oil. Amsoil stated it is there for marketing purpose only to please the 5w-20 diehards!! They give all the reasons/science why 5w-20 is not needed,and why the 0w-30 is better,.. then go on and state that they will sell the 5w-20 nevertheless to anyone who wants it regardless.
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
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Originally posted by Big Bear:
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
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Originally posted by vitual_mage:
Big bear you got a point,in my application,they recommended 5w20 since i see deep cold during the winter,-50 Celsius in not uncommon here .Im not brand loyal when it come to oil,if anyone could give me some lube with a better pour point i would jump on it.

Ford is a very popular brand here for fleet vehicle,just the site where i work own over 300 F150 and they doing extremely long oci.These truck are kept in the worst condition ,dirt road,low speed limit between 30 and 50 kmh ,they are mostly run 24/24 7 day a week and the driver beat these like they stole them.Still they survive,im yet to see a dead engine.These truck are kept for 3 year then sold,most of them are over 100k,wont say in the best shape...still they are working ,my point? ANY engine can last that long without heavy maintenance these day,will last 3 time longer if the maintenance is done properly .Why Miro is so afraid of any vehicle over 100k?


Even amsoil addresses the 5w-20 as not being needed and too thin!! Go Check it out. I guess they are wrong as well according to all the "experts" on this forum!!


Applications
AMSOIL Synthetic 0W-20 Motor Oil is recommended for Honda, Acura, DaimlerChrysler, Toyota, Ford and all other applications where SAE 0W-20 or 5W-20 is required with the following specifications:

•API SM/CF, SL, SJ. . .
•ILSAC GF-4, 3. . .
•ACEA A1/B1
•Ford WSS-M2C930-A
•Chrysler MS-6395N

If Amsoil is saying 5W-20 is too thin, then why do they have a 0W-20 Motor Oil.

I bet if you put this Synlube in a car calling for a 5W-20 and there was some kind of engine problem and they found out you used 5W-50 they would probably void the warranty.

If someone using Synlube has a problem, will Miro pay to have the engine fixed, I doubt it, use Synlube at your own risk.

I am certainly not going to listen to someone associated with Synlube about what viscosity of oil to put in my vehicle, and that goes for Amsoil too, I will go buy my owner's manual, and if anyone's owner's manual says it is o.k. to use a 5W-50 motor oil, then maybe consider Synlube, but since no automobile manufacturer recommends a 5W-50 motor oil or changing your oil every 5 years or 50,000 miles then I think most people will pass.

I read this whole thread last nite and I got a HEADACHE, if I put Synlube in my engine I am sure 10,000 miles later I would have more than a headache, it would be an expensive headache.

Whatever happened with Synlube sending a used oil sample to Terry Dyson.


If you actually read the amsoil site,then you would know why they have the 5w-20 oil. Amsoil stated it is there for marketing purpose only to please the 5w-20 diehards!! They give all the reasons/science why 5w-20 is not needed,and why the 0w-30 is better,.. then go on and state that they will sell the 5w-20 nevertheless to anyone who wants it regardless.


Notice the silence now about 5w-20 oil!! Now we can talk about 5w-50 synthetic with a pour point of -64 F.
Dear Houckster....you promised us to send VOA or UOA this Synlube oil last year...do you remember? the problem for me if i lived in US i will buy this oil and send it for VOA, since i live in Jakarta the cost is very expensive U$ 300-400 from independent laboratory. Why we must not to believe if your UOA from Terry? all members can contact Terry too for confirmation.
enoch

If you buy a quart of SynLube and submit it to Terry Dyson for analysis, there won't be much room for spinning. He's an acknowledged expert on oil analysis and I believe he has corresponded with Miro about his oil. Let us know when you submit the sample since you would be inclined not to believe the results if we submitted it.


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Consider this Houckster: As I pointed out earlier, you own synlube, so it is to be expected that you say what you do.
What do you mean I OWN SynLube? I'm a customer and nothing more. I live in Georgia. If you can't tell the difference between my style of writing and those of Miro Kefurt, you haven't been reading very closely.
http://www.clubtitan.org/forum...dex.php/t-22432.html The following excerpt.

In summary, the iron levels are off the freaking chart. Levels like this usually indicate the start of a problem. Even is a new engine that is still breaking in.

Secondly, the TBN is absolutely horrible. How is the oil supposed to go much longer than this with just a low TBN?

This oil is supposed to be a 5w50 lubrication. Well, its not really much of a 50 weight anymore. It's nicely inside the spec for a 40 weight. And if it were still a 50 weight, the viscocity at 40 degrees would make it a 15w50. Instead, with everything combined, you have a 20w40. That's baffeling. The Viscocity Index supports this at a piss poor 142. Superior my @ss.
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Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:
SynLube is NON PETROLEUM - take time to find out about someting you comment on and know absolutely NOTHING about !!!
?


This rule is not only valid for petroleum based products, but all types of products containing a hazardous substance.

Be careful who you call stupid here, you might regret it.
Dear Trajan, thanks for this information...Smile
enoch

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Originally posted by Trajan:
http://www.clubtitan.org/forum...dex.php/t-22432.html The following excerpt.

In summary, the iron levels are off the freaking chart. Levels like this usually indicate the start of a problem. Even is a new engine that is still breaking in.

Secondly, the TBN is absolutely horrible. How is the oil supposed to go much longer than this with just a low TBN?

This oil is supposed to be a 5w50 lubrication. Well, its not really much of a 50 weight anymore. It's nicely inside the spec for a 40 weight. And if it were still a 50 weight, the viscocity at 40 degrees would make it a 15w50. Instead, with everything combined, you have a 20w40. That's baffeling. The Viscocity Index supports this at a piss poor 142. Superior my @ss.
ahhaha i found in Synlube MSDS this lubricant have passed the test in Mobil Health Science Laboratory ( i saved this MSDS for comparation)
ahhaahah...can Capt. Kirk explain us.... Cool
First Bruce found it..
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Originally posted by .:[EM]:.:
quote:
Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:
SynLube is NON PETROLEUM - take time to find out about someting you comment on and know absolutely NOTHING about !!!
?


This rule is not only valid for petroleum based products, but all types of products containing a hazardous substance.

Be careful who you call stupid here, you might regret it.
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
Well a VOA should put this to rest once and for all, we hope. I would think the report will be honest, and revealing. I have a feeling Synlube's spin masters will quickly go to work if they don't like the report. OTOH if Synlube's claims are in fact the truth then sales should go through the roof. But I know quite a few people who still wouldn't use it even if it were free. Reason being the attacks made by the shills on Bitog. Tough job building bridges that have been destroyed.

AD
I think you have it quite the reverse. The synlube skeptics will be as usual, the spinmasters!!


Dream on Kirk. Your fighting a battle you are not going to win, give up and salvage what little business you have left with Synlube. You clearly aren't selling any oil here. I just read on the other board you guys tried selling damaged Delvac-1, nice. Could that be the foundation of Synlube, damaged Delvac, and the backyard brew added to it? Just wondering.

AD
Ok, instead of quoting every post that might have something to do with this response, I'll just give credit to everyone involved with this type of response.

I did contact Synlube and chatted with Miro for a while about 3 years back, when I had the time and fundage to play with new technology products and synthetic oils. He was fine to talk to on the phone, but I do have to admit that nothing was really said to convince me to fork out the start up cost for running Synlube.

I agree with the posters that also state that the 20 weights are strictly for CAFE purposes, which is why I use a 0w-30 in my crankcase year round.

And I also have to agree that now up to 40 pages of this, and STILL no legitimate numbers of elements, components, or such, is getting to be a little much.

In conclusion, if you're not ready to try it by now, will you ever? I don't think that even numbers will help the cause at this point...
I’m the first to admit my knowledge in oil is very limited, like everyone I grow up with the idea one brand was the best, and 10w30 was the only oil that should be use in everything. My concern here is to see someone with an obvious lack of mechanical knowledge; I would even add common sense…..any engine over 100k is a piece of junk…unless run with synlube obviously. Miro talking about fact, but yet still always use is own opinion when it come to the point, transmission don’t autodestruct, engine don’t fall apart after xxxx mileage because they where build after 1990.Plastic do make sense, its stronger more durable, and more easy to manufacture. Your opinion about ford, Chrysler or Toyota should be keep for yourself....Toyota transmission are not seal, they have a drain plug with a magnet,filter on fuel pump are perfectly fine and can last longer then the pump itself.anyway I know you will answer with your theory and I will put a quote from your own webpage “grow up”. You have been exposed, people don’t take you seriously and the way you acting…they never will.
US Government spent $2.3 million on this survey; you therefore should take it seriously

Executive Summary
Vehicle survivability and vehicle miles traveled (VMT) schedules for passenger cars and
light trucks were developed from 1977 to 2002 registration and 2001 mileage survey
data. Compared to similar projections made in 1995, we found that passenger cars are
lasting longer whereas light trucks are not lasting as long. However, both are being
driven slightly farther than previous schedules had indicated.
In this analysis, vehicle age was cut off for passenger cars and light trucks when the
Estimated Survival Rate reached an approximately two percent threshold. Thus, the
lifetime VMT of passenger cars was extended to 25 years to arrive at 152,137 miles; and
the lifetime VMT of light trucks was extended to 36 years to arrive at 179,954 miles.
Previous lifetime VMT estimates were 126,665 for passenger cars (20 years) and 153,698
(25 years) for light trucks. Discount factors are also updated in this analysis and
summarized below along with the lifetime mileage.
Lifetime Lifetime Weighted Present Discount Factor
Mileage 3% 7% 10%
Passenger Car 152,137 0.8304 0.6700 0.5824
Light Truck 179,954 0.8022 0.6303 0.5419
These updated schedules should be used to assess the effects of proposed fuel economy
and safety standards.

We have no problem with people using SynLube in any MECHANICALLY SOUND, application that has no preexisting problems.

Our Warranty for NEW application is 15 years or 150,000 miles - compare that to the longest warranty offered by KIA or HYUNDAI which is only 10 years or 100,000 miles - if you use SynLube in any NEW vehicle the warranty is the LONGEST AVAILABLE at any price and it is FREE - just try to buy FORD, GM, HONDA or any other OEM extended warranty that is 15 years or 150,000 miles and they will laugh you out of the Dealership !!!

We simple inform all potential customers that indicate to have a clunker or high mileage vehicle that our WARRANTY is not valid for any application that is 10 years form date of manufacture or over 100,000 odometer miles!
Oil industry defines as 75,000 to be HIGH MILEAGE – check the labels on all OILS for “older” vehicles !!

US Congress defines clunkers – something that NEEDS TO BE taken out of service as vehicle that is older than 9 years but newer than 25 years.
Since there are less than 2% of vehicle that are 25 years old in service even EPA and DOT and US Customs let you import anything even if it is not to US Emissions or Safety standards, without any restriction, since 26 + year vehicle still running anywhere in the world (except CUBA) is basically unheard of….

WE CAN NOT AFFORD to fix JUNKERS for people for FREE. The 10 year or 100,000 miles limit was established by our underwriter (insurance company in California) only after they had ZERO claims under our prevous policy that was in effect from 1985 to 1996 and was then limited to 5 years or 50,000 miles.

OUR GUARANTEE - refund any time for any used SynLube still applies n matter what mileage we just got back SynLube form Mercedes-Benz with 160,000 miles on the Lube and 345,000 on the car, the owner is junking it as it needs $3,500 in repairs (Air Conditioning) and he lives in Phoenix and does not care to suffer through another Summer without A/C.

Vehicle longevity is well proven statistically, but still today people refuse to just look as simple facts like sealed transmissions with no dipsticks, no fuel filters, etc.

If Replacing $2,500 fuel tank like one of our BMW customers just did in a Z is something you like to do every 65,000 miles that is your privilege, to me that is IDIOTICAL BMW design that could be corrected with $10 BOSCH FUEL FILTER that has been used on EFI YUGO 20 YEARS AGO!

$2,500 versus $10 ?

And you are complaining about investing $30 per Liter into SynLube and get your money back when you are done with it, But then being GUGED by BMW when you become UNDESIRABLE BMW owner - more than 5 years or 50,000 miles (or is it now 40,000 miles) and all the FREE maintenance ends and you are on your own, if you do not get another NEW BMW (or MINI) the Germans think of you as "TRASH" !!!

PS: 0.7866% of vehicle on the road have less than 100,000 miles on them

200,000 miles is so rare that so far in all of USA only 96 people responded to request of pictures of the car+person and the ODO.

Similar previous request for 300,000 + vehicles only got 16 verifiable responses.

And there are almost 300,000,000 vehicles in USA and 14 to 16 million get junked annually...

You internet search wizzards should know all this by now as well.........

Or does your search engine refuse to provide true and verifiable data ???
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i forgot how reliable these yugo where.........Consumer Reports, in its review of the Yugo, called the car "hard to recommend at any price" and concluded that "you'd be better off buying a good used car than a new Yugo.
"The Yugo stands out as the only car from a non-U.S. manufacturer to make the Hagerty Insurance "Most Questionable Cars" list.

"I threatened a couple of times to buy one and leave it in somebody's driveway," said McKeel Hagerty, president of Hagerty Insurance.

The list of the problems with this car is quite long. Owners complained basically about everything – engine problems, steering problems, problems with the stereo, problems with the seat belt, problems with the floor. The car could stall and fail to restart without prior indication or warning. Since it was so cheap, could we really expect it to work flawlessly?


The value of the car was doubles when the fuel tank was full.
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PS: 0.7866% of vehicle on the road have less than 100,000 miles on them

200,000 miles is so rare that so far in all of USA only 96 people responded to request of pictures of the car+person and the ODO.



My bet is between Noria and Bitog there are more than 96 people with over 200,000 miles on their cars. I think on Bitog alone there are 100 members with cars with 200K miles on them.

Also from looking at your business location I wonder if you'd make good on your warranty. Maybe the business location is on the Star Ship Enterprise?

AD
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
Well a VOA should put this to rest once and for all, we hope. I would think the report will be honest, and revealing. I have a feeling Synlube's spin masters will quickly go to work if they don't like the report. OTOH if Synlube's claims are in fact the truth then sales should go through the roof. But I know quite a few people who still wouldn't use it even if it were free. Reason being the attacks made by the shills on Bitog. Tough job building bridges that have been destroyed.

AD
I think you have it quite the reverse. The synlube skeptics will be as usual, the spinmasters!!


Dream on Kirk. Your fighting a battle you are not going to win, give up and salvage what little business you have left with Synlube. You clearly aren't selling any oil here. I just read on the other board you guys tried selling damaged Delvac-1, nice. Could that be the foundation of Synlube, damaged Delvac, and the backyard brew added to it? Just wondering.

AD
The delvac was not damaged,it was capped to prevent damage that UPS or whomever ships is known to do. You are not going to tell me you never received damaged merchandise from shipping. Besides,you seem to be reading into things that aren't even there as usual.
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Originally posted by vitual_mage:
I’m the first to admit my knowledge in oil is very limited, like everyone I grow up with the idea one brand was the best, and 10w30 was the only oil that should be use in everything. My concern here is to see someone with an obvious lack of mechanical knowledge; I would even add common sense…..any engine over 100k is a piece of junk…unless run with synlube obviously. Miro talking about fact, but yet still always use is own opinion when it come to the point, transmission don’t autodestruct, engine don’t fall apart after xxxx mileage because they where build after 1990.Plastic do make sense, its stronger more durable, and more easy to manufacture. Your opinion about ford, Chrysler or Toyota should be keep for yourself....Toyota transmission are not seal, they have a drain plug with a magnet,filter on fuel pump are perfectly fine and can last longer then the pump itself.anyway I know you will answer with your theory and I will put a quote from your own webpage “grow up”. You have been exposed, people don’t take you seriously and the way you acting…they never will.


Vitual, Very nice rant!! OH,....and what is your point??
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
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PS: 0.7866% of vehicle on the road have less than 100,000 miles on them

200,000 miles is so rare that so far in all of USA only 96 people responded to request of pictures of the car+person and the ODO.



My bet is between Noria and Bitog there are more than 96 people with over 200,000 miles on their cars. I think on Bitog alone there are 100 members with cars with 200K miles on them.

Also from looking at your business location I wonder if you'd make good on your warranty. Maybe the business location is on the Star Ship Enterprise?

AD


Your response does not deserve to be dignified with an answer. Post something that makes actual sense in the future if you don't mind.

It would seem to me sir,.....you can't handle the facts!!!!
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There's a few at BITOG with 300K I think.I wouldn't put too much faith in what the US gov't defines as a clunker.Back when Pintos were going boom, they defined pain and suffering as worth $10,000. The jury in the Grimshaw case disagreed with that.http://www.amazon.com/Ford-Men...-Lacey/dp/0316511668Im sure Miro can look that up. But I'm still waiting for that link I asked for above.


Some of you guys have to be dopers for sure. The link has nothing to do with your rant.

Pinto? My father had a Pinto. He loved it. I drove it from Toronto to Vancouver and back, with three passengers, AC on most of the way cuz it was stinker of a summer, pulling a trailer. I had to agree with my dad when we go back to Toronto that it was indeed a good car. It had over 150K miles on the odometer. Just used everyday, ordinary gas station 10W30 motor oil oil of the day...

Also, why don't you put any faith in what your US government defines as a clunker? You know more than they?
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Originally posted by inHaliburton:
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There's a few at BITOG with 300K I think.I wouldn't put too much faith in what the US gov't defines as a clunker.Back when Pintos were going boom, they defined pain and suffering as worth $10,000. The jury in the Grimshaw case disagreed with that.http://www.amazon.com/Ford-Men...-Lacey/dp/0316511668Im sure Miro can look that up. But I'm still waiting for that link I asked for above.


Some of you guys have to be dopers for sure. The link has nothing to do with your rant.

Pinto? My father had a Pinto. He loved it. I drove it from Toronto to Vancouver and back, with three passengers, AC on most of the way cuz it was stinker of a summer, pulling a trailer. I had to agree with my dad when we go back to Toronto that it was indeed a good car. It had over 150K miles on the odometer. Just used everyday, ordinary gas station 10W30 motor oil oil of the day...

Also, why don't you put any faith in what your US government defines as a clunker? You know more than they?


Dopers for sure may have nailed it!!!

If you look at Trajens public profile,He doesn't have one period. Occupation,...None! Who is he,....a ghost writer! Are we talking to a ghost writer. At least Miro,..myself and others have posted proudly who we are.
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