Where is teh FTP-75 test for any oil sold by SHELL, ExxonMobil, AMSOIL, BP ?
We have done it FORD vehicle, AAA Lab, no one from SynLube touched the car for 82,000 miles.
No Oil company is willing to run FTP-75 even with their recommended oil changes !!!
And how come when you use their "oil" when the vehicle is over 75,000 miles they tell you you now have to use "high mileage" oil as their regular oil just sludged up your engine and caused seals to harden.
None of you have even noticed that one ?
Any set of any data in one point in time has no value, only a long documented trend, like retention of low emissions for over 100,000 miles is far more valuable.
Why don't you ask you favorite Oil Company to provide such test data ?
Read our primer articles on High Mileage Oil, Synthetic Oil and Kinematic Viscosity
quote:Originally posted by Trajan:quote:Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:
No one could buy SynLube privately before 1985 as it was classified as a "strategic material" and you had to get clearance from Department of Defense to use it.
....
Yeah, sure. Can you provide the verifiable evidence of that?
Here perhaps? http://www.globalsecurity.org/.../report/1988/JGA.htm
Here?
http://www.emporia.edu/earthsc...natalie/newindex.htm
Well????????????????? This is a thread about synlube, isn't it?
Dodging the questions and relying on misdirection and deflection isn't going to change that.
BTW, none of my vehicles, all of which have gone over 100,000 miles on non synlube oil, have ever failed any emmision test.
http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/cycles/ftp75.html.
The FTP-75 (Federal Test Procedure) has been used for emission certification of light duty vehicles in the U.S. Effective model year 2000, vehicles have to be additionally tested on two Supplemental Federal Test Procedures (SFTP) designed to address shortcomings with the FTP-75 in the representation of (1) aggressive, high speed driving (US06), and (2) the use of air conditioning (SC03).
The FTP-75 cycle is derived from the FTP-72 cycle by adding a third phase of 505s, identical to the first phase of FTP-72 but with a hot start. The third phase starts after the engine is stopped for 10 minutes. Thus, the entire FTP-75 cycle consists of the following segments:
1.cold start phase
2.transient phase
3.hot start phase.
The following are basic parameters of the cycle:
•Distance traveled: 11.04 miles (17.77 km)
•Duration: 1874s
•Average speed: 21.2 mph (34.1 km/h).
Why would an oil company run an emission test when this test is for a vehicle?
Oh, I never used high milage oil either.
The only measure of Engine Lubricant performance that any Automotive Engineer will recognize is the effect on emissions (lower emissions is better; poor lubricant will increase tail pipe emissions by up to 20%); duration of such effect (over useful vehicle life as defined by Clean Air Act = 75,000 miles or 150,000 miles if PZEV in California ONLY); effect on fuel consumption (less fuel used when compared to "control oil SAE 20W-30" is better); duration of the fuel consumption effect (only 2,000 miles for most API licensed oils, and over 82,000 for SynLube)
1.8% MPG improvement City
3% MPG improvement Highway
Emission reduction compared to SAE 5W-20 OEM Fill 50% on average. (CO, HC, NOx)
Emission at 100,000 miles lower than OEM (FORD)certification test at 4,000 miles
NO OTHER LUBRICANT AT ANY PRICE CAN DO IT.
Project Description: SynLube Lubricants Long Term Test
AAA Project Identification Number: 81
Project Number: 2002-0317-1
Project Begin Date: 2/26/2002
Project Finish Date: 7/6/2007
NO OIL COMPANY can or ever will run a test for 5 years, as every 3 to 4 years they change the formulations, mainly because they are unable to meet the latest OEM specifications with their current products.
Sensible people will argue for 5 years or more when they do not have any proof, but since their ego was hurt because they can not afford a decent vehicle and drive what US Congress (hey you elected them ?) determined to be a CLUNKER (anything that is pre 2001).
If vehicles are as durable as some of you think they are why do 14 to 16 million vehicles annualy get junked ?
And why are you not still driving 1950's someting ?
PS: IRS defines even today "vehicle useful life" to be 5 years or 50,000 miles - so if you have ANY legitimate business you can depreciate it to ZERO in those two alternatives.
1.8% MPG improvement City
3% MPG improvement Highway
Emission reduction compared to SAE 5W-20 OEM Fill 50% on average. (CO, HC, NOx)
Emission at 100,000 miles lower than OEM (FORD)certification test at 4,000 miles
NO OTHER LUBRICANT AT ANY PRICE CAN DO IT.
Project Description: SynLube Lubricants Long Term Test
AAA Project Identification Number: 81
Project Number: 2002-0317-1
Project Begin Date: 2/26/2002
Project Finish Date: 7/6/2007
NO OIL COMPANY can or ever will run a test for 5 years, as every 3 to 4 years they change the formulations, mainly because they are unable to meet the latest OEM specifications with their current products.
Sensible people will argue for 5 years or more when they do not have any proof, but since their ego was hurt because they can not afford a decent vehicle and drive what US Congress (hey you elected them ?) determined to be a CLUNKER (anything that is pre 2001).
If vehicles are as durable as some of you think they are why do 14 to 16 million vehicles annualy get junked ?
And why are you not still driving 1950's someting ?
PS: IRS defines even today "vehicle useful life" to be 5 years or 50,000 miles - so if you have ANY legitimate business you can depreciate it to ZERO in those two alternatives.
How silly, have you ever performed FTP-75 test on any vehicle you own ?
Especially since the test costs more than the 100,000 mile clunker ???
WAHT A JOKE !!!
You are getting cougut in your own lies...
Especially since the test costs more than the 100,000 mile clunker ???
WAHT A JOKE !!!
You are getting cougut in your own lies...
Miro..you are quite the expert in getting cough in your own lie...
Oil company have to change their formula to meet new standard ,the best example is sulphur which was a main component in lots of oil and even fuel before .You saying non stop did other company provide this and that.....well why dont you? The only question ,in every forum ever asked to you is data.Suddenly your product user show up and damn they know much about the product,i mean they almost seems to know more about it then yourself.When we ask number you treat us like we are idiot and moron,try to act like a victim and at the end still avoid the original question data....then you claim no one can read that data ,i mean you are the only specialist in the world.
So smart you cant even afford a proper web page
,even back in the days,front page was a laughing stock ,why use front page when you can do your own coding in html. But its true you are friend with Bill Gates and he use your oil in a Lamborghini ,while the only car Gates did even own was Porsche .
Your lie have become so big,so unbelievable,so incredible,its time for you to realize in what kind of mess your put yourself in .
And sorry to the mods,ill try to keep with more constructive post in the future,ill say its the first time someone online put me that much on the defensives.I just wish they where law against scam and because my rig is one of my passion ,get told my truck is a piece of junk really make me ...well.My last post on this matter,i did troll enough in that matter i admit it.
Oil company have to change their formula to meet new standard ,the best example is sulphur which was a main component in lots of oil and even fuel before .You saying non stop did other company provide this and that.....well why dont you? The only question ,in every forum ever asked to you is data.Suddenly your product user show up and damn they know much about the product,i mean they almost seems to know more about it then yourself.When we ask number you treat us like we are idiot and moron,try to act like a victim and at the end still avoid the original question data....then you claim no one can read that data ,i mean you are the only specialist in the world.
So smart you cant even afford a proper web page
,even back in the days,front page was a laughing stock ,why use front page when you can do your own coding in html. But its true you are friend with Bill Gates and he use your oil in a Lamborghini ,while the only car Gates did even own was Porsche .
Your lie have become so big,so unbelievable,so incredible,its time for you to realize in what kind of mess your put yourself in .
And sorry to the mods,ill try to keep with more constructive post in the future,ill say its the first time someone online put me that much on the defensives.I just wish they where law against scam and because my rig is one of my passion ,get told my truck is a piece of junk really make me ...well.My last post on this matter,i did troll enough in that matter i admit it.
Sigh...........
We're still waiting for you to enthrall us with accurate, verifiable data.
Like....
The 9,000 engines you claim were ruined by proven oil.
The DoD list with synlube on it.
The 14-16 million vehicles junked anually.
I would suggest you read "How to win Friends and Influence People."
And maybe take up some remedial business classes on how to represent your product.
Because not only are you not winning any, but your obvious inability to produce any verifiable information and constant refusal to stay on point, is an influence.
You influence people not to try this product.
Anyhow... Going further is pointless. There ism just no way this shillube is going into the new Mustang, let alone the Z4.
100,000 miles = clunker. Now that is funny.
Bye...
We're still waiting for you to enthrall us with accurate, verifiable data.
Like....
The 9,000 engines you claim were ruined by proven oil.
The DoD list with synlube on it.
The 14-16 million vehicles junked anually.
I would suggest you read "How to win Friends and Influence People."
And maybe take up some remedial business classes on how to represent your product.
Because not only are you not winning any, but your obvious inability to produce any verifiable information and constant refusal to stay on point, is an influence.
You influence people not to try this product.
Anyhow... Going further is pointless. There ism just no way this shillube is going into the new Mustang, let alone the Z4.
100,000 miles = clunker. Now that is funny.
Bye...
I have to say that this thread has gone do far off of the deep end with this product, that it really isn't worth all of the aggrevation to read it anymore.
He said this and that, and they retaliated to it just doesn't cut it.
I asked questions, I found out some information, and formed MY opinion, and acted as such with the lubricant that I currently use: Brad Penn. New, no. Full synthetic, no. Affordable and meets my needs, absolutely.
That's all that matters, what YOU think and want in your vehicles crankcase. Anything else is pure fluff.
He said this and that, and they retaliated to it just doesn't cut it.
I asked questions, I found out some information, and formed MY opinion, and acted as such with the lubricant that I currently use: Brad Penn. New, no. Full synthetic, no. Affordable and meets my needs, absolutely.
That's all that matters, what YOU think and want in your vehicles crankcase. Anything else is pure fluff.
so long with around-around in the air 
....,simple question, why if this lubricant lifetime is more than 5 years without changed in car, dont have a real data from the 1st time, and after 5yrs?
dont around2 again in the air.....
enoch
....,simple question, why if this lubricant lifetime is more than 5 years without changed in car, dont have a real data from the 1st time, and after 5yrs?dont around2 again in the air.....
enoch
quote:Project Description: SynLube Lubricants Long Term Test
AAA Project Identification Number: 81
Project Number: 2002-0317-1
Project Begin Date: 2/26/2002
Project Finish Date: 7/6/2007
On our web for 3 years, AAA test took 5 years and still you refuse to accept a proof,
If you can not trust AAA and FORD and EPA, then simply you can not trust anyone....
Yet you trust and use petroleum oil from companies that are proven to lie and fake tests, like SHELL, CASTROL, etc.
www.ftc.gov
Keeping your head in tar sand in hope it will turn to synthetic oil is probably the only appropriate action for the refusenicks !
http://www.synlube.com/PR201001.htm
Real Person Real CAR
http://www.synlube.com/press.htm
Test run by AAA on FORD vehicle and submitted to EPA
http://www.synlube.com/pr03.htm
Real Person Real CAR
http://www.synlube.com/pr02.htm
Real Car test on BERTONE
http://www.synlube.com/pr01.htm
Real Car test for KIA
SHELL, ExxonMobil, BP, Citgo, UNOCAL, AMSOIL does not have a single vehicle that went that far even with regular oil changes to prove that their oil "works" - and if ti is necessary to change the formulation every 3 to 5 years that alone proves that the "previous" formula DID NOT WORK adequately to be used in the latest MY vehicles.
But if you already have the best possible lubricant available, there is NO NEED to change the formulation, ever .....
Real Person Real CAR
http://www.synlube.com/press.htm
Test run by AAA on FORD vehicle and submitted to EPA
http://www.synlube.com/pr03.htm
Real Person Real CAR
http://www.synlube.com/pr02.htm
Real Car test on BERTONE
http://www.synlube.com/pr01.htm
Real Car test for KIA
SHELL, ExxonMobil, BP, Citgo, UNOCAL, AMSOIL does not have a single vehicle that went that far even with regular oil changes to prove that their oil "works" - and if ti is necessary to change the formulation every 3 to 5 years that alone proves that the "previous" formula DID NOT WORK adequately to be used in the latest MY vehicles.
But if you already have the best possible lubricant available, there is NO NEED to change the formulation, ever .....
quote:Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:
http://www.synlube.com/PR201001.htm
Real Person Real CAR
http://www.synlube.com/press.htm
Test run by AAA on FORD vehicle and submitted to EPA
http://www.synlube.com/pr03.htm
Real Person Real CAR
http://www.synlube.com/pr02.htm
Real Car test on BERTONE
http://www.synlube.com/pr01.htm
Real Car test for KIA
SHELL, ExxonMobil, BP, Citgo, UNOCAL, AMSOIL does not have a single vehicle that went that far even with regular oil changes to prove that their oil "works" - and if ti is necessary to change the formulation every 3 to 5 years that alone proves that the "previous" formula DID NOT WORK adequately to be used in the latest MY vehicles.
But if you already have the best possible lubricant available, there is NO NEED to change the formulation, ever .....
I had hopes I was done.but the continued propigation of non verifiable data says otherwise.
I really think it is time for this Thread to be Locked or Deleted.
Agree time to lock,but a part of it need to be keep ,so people can read it for future reference .
Locked, yes. Deleted, no. Potential customers need to see how the owner acts to requests for verifiable facts and data.
I believe late next week we will have a VOA, that's Virgin Oil Analysis, on this Synlube from a totally independent and unbiased lab, it will come from somebody who has alot of experience, I do not think anyone here is buying that Miro only knows somebody who can interpret what is in this oil.
All of the proof will be presented to show how this product was obtained.
I believe this VOA will show us that Miro probably uses some oil from Wal-Mart for his basestock and then he puts his witches brew into it.
I do not believe you can run any oil, including Synlube without some side effects, since this Synlube starts out as a 5W-50 motor oil I would hate to see how much it thickens up after 15,000 or more miles of use.
I believe all of these additives in Synlube will just eventually clog up someone's engine and just lead to more wear.
I also believe the synthetic media oil filters Synlube sells are definetly like the Amsoil EaO Oil Filters with the Donaldson synthetic media, the problem with this media is that in the 1st 10,000 miles it lets more contaniments flow through your engine than a Pure One type oil filter. Whether the oil filter media is synthetic or cellulose paper it will eventually clog up, and when this happens your oil filter goes into bypass and you have more junk floating around your engine.
I saw the post here where a gentleman dumped his factory fill of oil on his new car at 800 miles or so and put Synlube in, at 16,000 miles his valvetrain was making serious noise, he got the Synlube out and everything went back to normal.
I am sorry Synlube, but today's cars need thin oil, meaning a 5W-30, 5W-20, or a 0W-20. The days of thick oil's are far gone. The reason being is that many of todays engines are either single or dual OHC engines, you need the oil to travel from the bottom of the oil pan to the top of the engine. This Synlube stuff might have been o.k. back in the 1950's.
Miro, there is no way that your 5W-50 oil is going to pump up faster on a 0 degree morning than a Mobil 1 0W-20 or a Pennzoil Platinum 0W-20, even a 5W-30 oil will pump up faster. I really think that you are hiding something from us, and I think an unbiased VOA will expose what you do not want us to know.
If your oil was so good, I believe there would be other lifetime oil's on the market, or oil's like yours that could go the proclaimed 50,000 miles.
I see you bash other motor oil's and oil companies, I can remember the owner of a particular oil additive who said his oil additive was the best, we found out his product did not work and that he had no tests to back up his claims that his product was the best, it was actually the worst, I smacked him around so good on this board that the guy pleaded with the admins to take my threads down, he just was no match for me.
I did use that pathetic oil additive, but I will not be using your oil based on what has been written here in this thread, but Miro, I will give you credit, you are a fighter and you believe in your product and even though this thread may make Synlube look bad, you have not asked for this thread to be deleted, you do not give up, so I can definetly say that you must know more about Synlube than Frank Miller knows about auto-rx.
All of the proof will be presented to show how this product was obtained.
I believe this VOA will show us that Miro probably uses some oil from Wal-Mart for his basestock and then he puts his witches brew into it.
I do not believe you can run any oil, including Synlube without some side effects, since this Synlube starts out as a 5W-50 motor oil I would hate to see how much it thickens up after 15,000 or more miles of use.
I believe all of these additives in Synlube will just eventually clog up someone's engine and just lead to more wear.
I also believe the synthetic media oil filters Synlube sells are definetly like the Amsoil EaO Oil Filters with the Donaldson synthetic media, the problem with this media is that in the 1st 10,000 miles it lets more contaniments flow through your engine than a Pure One type oil filter. Whether the oil filter media is synthetic or cellulose paper it will eventually clog up, and when this happens your oil filter goes into bypass and you have more junk floating around your engine.
I saw the post here where a gentleman dumped his factory fill of oil on his new car at 800 miles or so and put Synlube in, at 16,000 miles his valvetrain was making serious noise, he got the Synlube out and everything went back to normal.
I am sorry Synlube, but today's cars need thin oil, meaning a 5W-30, 5W-20, or a 0W-20. The days of thick oil's are far gone. The reason being is that many of todays engines are either single or dual OHC engines, you need the oil to travel from the bottom of the oil pan to the top of the engine. This Synlube stuff might have been o.k. back in the 1950's.
Miro, there is no way that your 5W-50 oil is going to pump up faster on a 0 degree morning than a Mobil 1 0W-20 or a Pennzoil Platinum 0W-20, even a 5W-30 oil will pump up faster. I really think that you are hiding something from us, and I think an unbiased VOA will expose what you do not want us to know.
If your oil was so good, I believe there would be other lifetime oil's on the market, or oil's like yours that could go the proclaimed 50,000 miles.
I see you bash other motor oil's and oil companies, I can remember the owner of a particular oil additive who said his oil additive was the best, we found out his product did not work and that he had no tests to back up his claims that his product was the best, it was actually the worst, I smacked him around so good on this board that the guy pleaded with the admins to take my threads down, he just was no match for me.
I did use that pathetic oil additive, but I will not be using your oil based on what has been written here in this thread, but Miro, I will give you credit, you are a fighter and you believe in your product and even though this thread may make Synlube look bad, you have not asked for this thread to be deleted, you do not give up, so I can definetly say that you must know more about Synlube than Frank Miller knows about auto-rx.
This the most reasonable post, IMO, of this entire thread.
The days of thick oil aren't completely gone though. (BMW S54 engines for example.) But I doubt that any Z4M owner would use Synlube.)
The days of thick oil aren't completely gone though. (BMW S54 engines for example.) But I doubt that any Z4M owner would use Synlube.)
Excellent!
I doi see that we have an MSDS. So he sprung the cash to kill some rats.
Or more likely, the additive company did.
I doi see that we have an MSDS. So he sprung the cash to kill some rats.
Or more likely, the additive company did.
Yes we do. One that did not exsist for a product that has been sold for years until 3/19/2010.
quote:Originally posted by Big Bear:
I believe late next week we will have a VOA, that's Virgin Oil Analysis, on this Synlube from a totally independent and unbiased lab, it will come from somebody who has alot of experience, I do not think anyone here is buying that Miro only knows somebody who can interpret what is in this oil.
All of the proof will be presented to show how this product was obtained.
I believe this VOA will show us that Miro probably uses some oil from Wal-Mart for his basestock and then he puts his witches brew into it.
I do not believe you can run any oil, including Synlube without some side effects, since this Synlube starts out as a 5W-50 motor oil I would hate to see how much it thickens up after 15,000 or more miles of use.
I believe all of these additives in Synlube will just eventually clog up someone's engine and just lead to more wear.
I also believe the synthetic media oil filters Synlube sells are definetly like the Amsoil EaO Oil Filters with the Donaldson synthetic media, the problem with this media is that in the 1st 10,000 miles it lets more contaniments flow through your engine than a Pure One type oil filter. Whether the oil filter media is synthetic or cellulose paper it will eventually clog up, and when this happens your oil filter goes into bypass and you have more junk floating around your engine.
I saw the post here where a gentleman dumped his factory fill of oil on his new car at 800 miles or so and put Synlube in, at 16,000 miles his valvetrain was making serious noise, he got the Synlube out and everything went back to normal.
I am sorry Synlube, but today's cars need thin oil, meaning a 5W-30, 5W-20, or a 0W-20. The days of thick oil's are far gone. The reason being is that many of todays engines are either single or dual OHC engines, you need the oil to travel from the bottom of the oil pan to the top of the engine. This Synlube stuff might have been o.k. back in the 1950's.
Miro, there is no way that your 5W-50 oil is going to pump up faster on a 0 degree morning than a Mobil 1 0W-20 or a Pennzoil Platinum 0W-20, even a 5W-30 oil will pump up faster. I really think that you are hiding something from us, and I think an unbiased VOA will expose what you do not want us to know.
If your oil was so good, I believe there would be other lifetime oil's on the market, or oil's like yours that could go the proclaimed 50,000 miles.
I see you bash other motor oil's and oil companies, I can remember the owner of a particular oil additive who said his oil additive was the best, we found out his product did not work and that he had no tests to back up his claims that his product was the best, it was actually the worst, I smacked him around so good on this board that the guy pleaded with the admins to take my threads down, he just was no match for me.
I did use that pathetic oil additive, but I will not be using your oil based on what has been written here in this thread, but Miro, I will give you credit, you are a fighter and you believe in your product and even though this thread may make Synlube look bad, you have not asked for this thread to be deleted, you do not give up, so I can definetly say that you must know more about Synlube than Frank Miller knows about auto-rx.
Nice post bear. Maybe this VOA will put this all to rest. Maybe this is the greatest oil ever made, and once XOM, Shell etc. find out they'll buy the rights to the product. Everyone has a price, and if the product is as good as the shills pushing it want us to believe, the oil companies will hit that price! Then we won't have to hear this nonsense anymore.
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Or make it disappear like the EV1 ;-)