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And also even in EU, the same regulation applies that is valid in USA under OSHA rules:

Material safety data sheets should provide professional users information about the risks involved in working with the product. The professional user does not only concern the end user, but also the conveyer, employees in warehouses or distribution centres, experts on workplace safety, an employer, etc. There is no obligation to provide Material Safety Data Sheets to consumers. Not even when they ask for it.
Quote right from the link you supplied .:[EM]:.

So again we do not even have to do it if ASKED !!!
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Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:

You are neither customer, handler or user of SynLube, so you have NO LEGAL RIGHT to MSDS.


And, seeing how you are with potential customers/handlers/users, I will never be one.

If I have no legal right to an MSDS, how come I can get one for Mobil 1 5w-30? A product that I neither buy, use, or handle?

MSDS are not meant for a consumer, but any reputable business will supply one on request.

IOWs, it's called good public relations.

Drat, 39 pages, and still, nothing to convince me to use this instead of what I use now.

Don't see that changing.

And, just to be clear, I'm not the only one to ask for an MSDS, so why come after me only?

Just curious.

In an effort to kee posts down.....

I went back to where this was posted:

AAA Project Identification Number: 81

Project Number: 2002-0317-1

I couldn't find it at the AAA site. Only at synlube. Can you link where it is at AAA?
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Originally posted by vitual_mage:
Big bear you got a point,in my application,they recommended 5w20 since i see deep cold during the winter,-50 Celsius in not uncommon here .Im not brand loyal when it come to oil,if anyone could give me some lube with a better pour point i would jump on it.

Ford is a very popular brand here for fleet vehicle,just the site where i work own over 300 F150 and they doing extremely long oci.These truck are kept in the worst condition ,dirt road,low speed limit between 30 and 50 kmh ,they are mostly run 24/24 7 day a week and the driver beat these like they stole them.Still they survive,im yet to see a dead engine.These truck are kept for 3 year then sold,most of them are over 100k,wont say in the best shape...still they are working ,my point? ANY engine can last that long without heavy maintenance these day,will last 3 time longer if the maintenance is done properly .Why Miro is so afraid of any vehicle over 100k?


Even amsoil addresses the 5w-20 as not being needed and too thin!! Go Check it out. I guess they are wrong as well according to all the "experts" on this forum!!
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
Kirk IIRC I read somewhere that you have no financial interest in Synlube. If you do then correct me, if not why bother fighting this lost battle? The whole thing is rediculous, no customer is this loyal. I see you getting battered on Bitog as well. Might be time to pack up and leave? It is clear no one is drinking your Kool-Aid.

Maybe a few qts of the magic oil was sold for VOA's due to these threads. Then we'll have some facts and figures in black and white for all the members to see. You know what they say about figures? Liars can figure, but figures can't lie.

AD

I am not getting battered on that site. More than once a post of mine went unanswered because I won that particular argument. Moreover,..Why don't you take your own advice and pack up and leave!!
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
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Originally posted by vitual_mage:
Big bear you got a point,in my application,they recommended 5w20 since i see deep cold during the winter,-50 Celsius in not uncommon here .Im not brand loyal when it come to oil,if anyone could give me some lube with a better pour point i would jump on it.



Even amsoil addresses the 5w-20 as not being needed and too thin!! Go Check it out. I guess they are wrong as well according to all the "experts" on this forum!!


well....i do need thin oil,its not just something i use for fun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn-ZBdKu7O8

enjoy....
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
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Originally posted by vitual_mage:
Big bear you got a point,in my application,they recommended 5w20 since i see deep cold during the winter,-50 Celsius in not uncommon here .Im not brand loyal when it come to oil,if anyone could give me some lube with a better pour point i would jump on it.

Ford is a very popular brand here for fleet vehicle,just the site where i work own over 300 F150 and they doing extremely long oci.These truck are kept in the worst condition ,dirt road,low speed limit between 30 and 50 kmh ,they are mostly run 24/24 7 day a week and the driver beat these like they stole them.Still they survive,im yet to see a dead engine.These truck are kept for 3 year then sold,most of them are over 100k,wont say in the best shape...still they are working ,my point? ANY engine can last that long without heavy maintenance these day,will last 3 time longer if the maintenance is done properly .Why Miro is so afraid of any vehicle over 100k?


Even amsoil addresses the 5w-20 as not being needed and too thin!! Go Check it out. I guess they are wrong as well according to all the "experts" on this forum!!


Applications
AMSOIL Synthetic 0W-20 Motor Oil is recommended for Honda, Acura, DaimlerChrysler, Toyota, Ford and all other applications where SAE 0W-20 or 5W-20 is required with the following specifications:

•API SM/CF, SL, SJ. . .
•ILSAC GF-4, 3. . .
•ACEA A1/B1
•Ford WSS-M2C930-A
•Chrysler MS-6395N

If Amsoil is saying 5W-20 is too thin, then why do they have a 0W-20 Motor Oil.

I bet if you put this Synlube in a car calling for a 5W-20 and there was some kind of engine problem and they found out you used 5W-50 they would probably void the warranty.

If someone using Synlube has a problem, will Miro pay to have the engine fixed, I doubt it, use Synlube at your own risk.

I am certainly not going to listen to someone associated with Synlube about what viscosity of oil to put in my vehicle, and that goes for Amsoil too, I will go buy my owner's manual, and if anyone's owner's manual says it is o.k. to use a 5W-50 motor oil, then maybe consider Synlube, but since no automobile manufacturer recommends a 5W-50 motor oil or changing your oil every 5 years or 50,000 miles then I think most people will pass.

I read this whole thread last nite and I got a HEADACHE, if I put Synlube in my engine I am sure 10,000 miles later I would have more than a headache, it would be an expensive headache.

Whatever happened with Synlube sending a used oil sample to Terry Dyson.
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Originally posted by vitual_mage:
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
quote:
Originally posted by vitual_mage:
Big bear you got a point,in my application,they recommended 5w20 since i see deep cold during the winter,-50 Celsius in not uncommon here .Im not brand loyal when it come to oil,if anyone could give me some lube with a better pour point i would jump on it.



Even amsoil addresses the 5w-20 as not being needed and too thin!! Go Check it out. I guess they are wrong as well according to all the "experts" on this forum!!


well....i do need thin oil,its not just something i use for fun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn-ZBdKu7O8

enjoy....
Since you live in the land of the Alberta clipper, I am sure you have a cold weather package on the jeep?? Block heater,and oil pan heater. Even with the best oil,at -40,warming up things before you crank the engine is best. I know of propane heaters that are used when no electric is available by some. After all the mods you have performed thus far,a cold weather package would be a prudent choice.

Also, why is 5w-20(petroleum) better than 5w-30 synthetic,the cold weather spec is better with the 5w-30 syn. Or why not use 0w-30 synthetic at least? However,it does depend on the brand and so forth. Once your engine heats up the 5w-30/ 0w-30 is better for the sake of argument. Just look at the specs.
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Originally posted by Big Bear:


I am certainly not going to listen to someone associated with Synlube about what viscosity of oil to put in my vehicle, and that goes for Amsoil too, I will go buy my owner's manual,


That's why I use the oil I use. M1 0w-40 and GC 0w-30 are BMW approved. I don't care what the oil maker claims. Not on the list, not going into my engine.

Synlube doesn't meet any ACEA or BMW spec.
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Originally posted by Trajan:
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
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Originally posted by Trajan:
This the most reasonable post, IMO, of this entire thread.

The days of thick oil aren't completely gone though. (BMW S54 engines for example.) But I doubt that any Z4M owner would use Synlube.)


Big bear is agaist thick oil for the most part. I made it clear that I am not.

The Europeans are using thick oil!! 5w-40. It is the 5w that pumps during a cold start. The 5w-20 is only for CAFE standards,..look it up,it's a fact.


So you agree with Big Bear on synlube then.

PS: Anericans use thick oil too. Or are you saying that all the S54 powered cars built and or driven here don't.
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Since you live in the land of the Alberta clipper, I am sure you have a cold weather package on the jeep?? Block heater,and oil pan heater. Even with the best oil,at -40,warming up things before you crank the engine is best. I know of propane heaters that are used when no electric is available by some. After all the mods you have performed thus far,a cold weather package would be a prudent choice.

Also, why is 5w-20(petroleum) better than 5w-30 synthetic,the cold weather spec is better with the 5w-30 syn. Or why not use 0w-30 synthetic at least? However,it does depend on the brand and so forth. Once your engine heats up the 5w-30/ 0w-30 is better for the sake of argument. Just look at the specs.


I do have a block heater,a 250w pad heater under the oil pan , battery blanket and the most important heated seat.
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Big bear is agaist thick oil for the most part. I made it clear that I am not.

The Europeans are using thick oil!! 5w-40. It is the 5w that pumps during a cold start. The 5w-20 is only for CAFE standards,..look it up,it's a fact.


Actually most of the U.S. auto manufactures are against thick oil, my car is speced for a 10W-30 motor oil and I found it runs better on 5W-30 motor oil.

I could really care less what the Europeans are using, so if they are using a thick oil then sell your stuff over there, because we are not buying your thick stuff.
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Originally posted by vitual_mage:
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Since you live in the land of the Alberta clipper, I am sure you have a cold weather package on the jeep?? Block heater,and oil pan heater. Even with the best oil,at -40,warming up things before you crank the engine is best. I know of propane heaters that are used when no electric is available by some. After all the mods you have performed thus far,a cold weather package would be a prudent choice.

Also, why is 5w-20(petroleum) better than 5w-30 synthetic,the cold weather spec is better with the 5w-30 syn. Or why not use 0w-30 synthetic at least? However,it does depend on the brand and so forth. Once your engine heats up the 5w-30/ 0w-30 is better for the sake of argument. Just look at the specs.


I do have a block heater,a 250w pad heater under the oil pan , battery blanket and the most important heated seat.


Then why do you claim to need thin oil. You are heating up the oil,..so cold starts should not be an issue.

I see more cold starts then you,and I live in NJ without any cold weather package. It does get plenty cold in NJ especially during the early morning such as single digits or even zero F.(-17.8 C.).

Therefore my oil(synlube) is actually more chilled than what your jeep will experience in Alberta because of your pan heater in the dead of winter in the early morning. Your oil would be heated to about 60 F. I would think. I will assume if no propane heater then you probably start and run your engine if your off road etc. to maintain some warmth.

I once ran amsoil series 2000, 20w-50 in another car and it started at zero F.(-17.8 C.) and not even one tick,at 175,000 miles!!
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
Well a VOA should put this to rest once and for all, we hope. I would think the report will be honest, and revealing. I have a feeling Synlube's spin masters will quickly go to work if they don't like the report. OTOH if Synlube's claims are in fact the truth then sales should go through the roof. But I know quite a few people who still wouldn't use it even if it were free. Reason being the attacks made by the shills on Bitog. Tough job building bridges that have been destroyed.

AD
I think you have it quite the reverse. The synlube skeptics will be as usual, the spinmasters!!
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Originally posted by Big Bear:
quote:
Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
quote:
Originally posted by vitual_mage:
Big bear you got a point,in my application,they recommended 5w20 since i see deep cold during the winter,-50 Celsius in not uncommon here .Im not brand loyal when it come to oil,if anyone could give me some lube with a better pour point i would jump on it.

Ford is a very popular brand here for fleet vehicle,just the site where i work own over 300 F150 and they doing extremely long oci.These truck are kept in the worst condition ,dirt road,low speed limit between 30 and 50 kmh ,they are mostly run 24/24 7 day a week and the driver beat these like they stole them.Still they survive,im yet to see a dead engine.These truck are kept for 3 year then sold,most of them are over 100k,wont say in the best shape...still they are working ,my point? ANY engine can last that long without heavy maintenance these day,will last 3 time longer if the maintenance is done properly .Why Miro is so afraid of any vehicle over 100k?


Even amsoil addresses the 5w-20 as not being needed and too thin!! Go Check it out. I guess they are wrong as well according to all the "experts" on this forum!!


Applications
AMSOIL Synthetic 0W-20 Motor Oil is recommended for Honda, Acura, DaimlerChrysler, Toyota, Ford and all other applications where SAE 0W-20 or 5W-20 is required with the following specifications:

•API SM/CF, SL, SJ. . .
•ILSAC GF-4, 3. . .
•ACEA A1/B1
•Ford WSS-M2C930-A
•Chrysler MS-6395N

If Amsoil is saying 5W-20 is too thin, then why do they have a 0W-20 Motor Oil.

I bet if you put this Synlube in a car calling for a 5W-20 and there was some kind of engine problem and they found out you used 5W-50 they would probably void the warranty.

If someone using Synlube has a problem, will Miro pay to have the engine fixed, I doubt it, use Synlube at your own risk.

I am certainly not going to listen to someone associated with Synlube about what viscosity of oil to put in my vehicle, and that goes for Amsoil too, I will go buy my owner's manual, and if anyone's owner's manual says it is o.k. to use a 5W-50 motor oil, then maybe consider Synlube, but since no automobile manufacturer recommends a 5W-50 motor oil or changing your oil every 5 years or 50,000 miles then I think most people will pass.

I read this whole thread last nite and I got a HEADACHE, if I put Synlube in my engine I am sure 10,000 miles later I would have more than a headache, it would be an expensive headache.

Whatever happened with Synlube sending a used oil sample to Terry Dyson.


If you actually read the amsoil site,then you would know why they have the 5w-20 oil. Amsoil stated it is there for marketing purpose only to please the 5w-20 diehards!! They give all the reasons/science why 5w-20 is not needed,and why the 0w-30 is better,.. then go on and state that they will sell the 5w-20 nevertheless to anyone who wants it regardless.
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
quote:
Originally posted by Big Bear:
quote:
Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
quote:
Originally posted by vitual_mage:
Big bear you got a point,in my application,they recommended 5w20 since i see deep cold during the winter,-50 Celsius in not uncommon here .Im not brand loyal when it come to oil,if anyone could give me some lube with a better pour point i would jump on it.

Ford is a very popular brand here for fleet vehicle,just the site where i work own over 300 F150 and they doing extremely long oci.These truck are kept in the worst condition ,dirt road,low speed limit between 30 and 50 kmh ,they are mostly run 24/24 7 day a week and the driver beat these like they stole them.Still they survive,im yet to see a dead engine.These truck are kept for 3 year then sold,most of them are over 100k,wont say in the best shape...still they are working ,my point? ANY engine can last that long without heavy maintenance these day,will last 3 time longer if the maintenance is done properly .Why Miro is so afraid of any vehicle over 100k?


Even amsoil addresses the 5w-20 as not being needed and too thin!! Go Check it out. I guess they are wrong as well according to all the "experts" on this forum!!


Applications
AMSOIL Synthetic 0W-20 Motor Oil is recommended for Honda, Acura, DaimlerChrysler, Toyota, Ford and all other applications where SAE 0W-20 or 5W-20 is required with the following specifications:

•API SM/CF, SL, SJ. . .
•ILSAC GF-4, 3. . .
•ACEA A1/B1
•Ford WSS-M2C930-A
•Chrysler MS-6395N

If Amsoil is saying 5W-20 is too thin, then why do they have a 0W-20 Motor Oil.

I bet if you put this Synlube in a car calling for a 5W-20 and there was some kind of engine problem and they found out you used 5W-50 they would probably void the warranty.

If someone using Synlube has a problem, will Miro pay to have the engine fixed, I doubt it, use Synlube at your own risk.

I am certainly not going to listen to someone associated with Synlube about what viscosity of oil to put in my vehicle, and that goes for Amsoil too, I will go buy my owner's manual, and if anyone's owner's manual says it is o.k. to use a 5W-50 motor oil, then maybe consider Synlube, but since no automobile manufacturer recommends a 5W-50 motor oil or changing your oil every 5 years or 50,000 miles then I think most people will pass.

I read this whole thread last nite and I got a HEADACHE, if I put Synlube in my engine I am sure 10,000 miles later I would have more than a headache, it would be an expensive headache.

Whatever happened with Synlube sending a used oil sample to Terry Dyson.


If you actually read the amsoil site,then you would know why they have the 5w-20 oil. Amsoil stated it is there for marketing purpose only to please the 5w-20 diehards!! They give all the reasons/science why 5w-20 is not needed,and why the 0w-30 is better,.. then go on and state that they will sell the 5w-20 nevertheless to anyone who wants it regardless.


Notice the silence now about 5w-20 oil!! Now we can talk about 5w-50 synthetic with a pour point of -64 F.
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