Synlube

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Miro, I hit the link above and nothing came up, can you print it out for us to see here.

It is not a link just the exact identification number for the test project issued by AAA Auto Research Lab.

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There even was Long Article about this in Los Angeles Times - they even called FORD Direct and talked with the "Parts VP for NA" and he told them there is no obligation for FORD to keep any parts available once the vehicle is past the OEM Warrnty - and they quoted him.

I was under the impression that all auto manufactures are supposed to keep parts for 10 years after the car is sold.

So a 2001 Chevrolet Monte Carlo would have parts that were available from the Dealer until 2011.

If Ford is not required to keep any parts past the 3 year 36,000 miles Warranty are you recommending that Ford Owner's should not even use Synlube.

Do you know of any other car manufactures that keep parts in there inventory for 10 years or more, the reason being is that since your oil is so GOOD, anyone using Synlube would expect there engines to last at least 25 years or 500,000 miles.

If these automakers are not going to hold onto parts or not be required to hold onto parts when the warranty is over then maybe we should all just use the cheapest oil and not even think of using Synlube, why should I use the best oil when I have to worry about not being able to get parts for my car.

Miro, you have given everyone here the perfect reason not to use Synlube unless you decide to go into the parts business and sell us our parts when the manufacture no longer carries it.

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Originally posted by Trojan/snakedoctor:
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And what lie was that? I said I know someone who sludged up his engine using this swill. Same guy I mentioned before.

You are of course at liberty to prove me wrong.
You will fail of course, but take your shot.

Talk is cheap. You just proved that.

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Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:

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Miro, I hit the link above and nothing came up, can you print it out for us to see here.

It is not a link just the exact identification number for the test project issued by AAA Auto Research Lab.

So produce the test. we want to read it. Of course, the only site said test comes up doing kirk's favorite line "Google it.", is a suspect synlube site.

Nothing from Ford or the AAA.

Oh, BTW, I've never had trouble getting OEM parts for the 64 Buick Le Sabre or the 68 Chevy Nova I had when they were both 20 years old.

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Originally posted by Trjan aka snakedoctor:

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Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:

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Miro, I hit the link above and nothing came up, can you print it out for us to see here.

It is not a link just the exact identification number for the test project issued by AAA Auto Research Lab.

So produce the test. we want to read it. Of course, the only site said test comes up doing kirk's favorite line "Google it.", is a suspect synlube site.

Nothing from Ford or the AAA.

You bozos can't tell a link from a non-link. No wonder you can't understand what Miro has been telling you for days, weeks, months, YEARS.

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Originally posted by inHaliburton:

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Originally posted by Trjan aka snakedoctor:

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Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:

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Miro, I hit the link above and nothing came up, can you print it out for us to see here.

It is not a link just the exact identification number for the test project issued by AAA Auto Research Lab.

So produce the test. we want to read it. Of course, the only site said test comes up doing kirk's favorite line "Google it.", is a suspect synlube site.

Nothing from Ford or the AAA.

You bozos can't tell a link from a non-link. No wonder you can't understand what Miro has been telling you for days, weeks, months, YEARS.

inHaliburton....Look what trajen is talking about on the other thread with ADF1,cp30 etc.

MMO and auto-rx....and they all use those products admitting sludge issues/concerns.

All those naysayers are talking about and using products that are designed to remove sludge!!

Marvel mystery motor oil....auto-rx........all in an effort to address sludge. Why?? They are admitting that sludge is an issue on the other thread by using those products.

Wow....the truth finally comes out!!!

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Originally posted by ADFD1:
Still waiting on facts. My dad owns a 20+ YO Ford, never had problems getting parts, any part, in fact the engine in it has been discontinued several years ago.

Fuel Injectors made to last only 100,000 miles? Tell that to my 3.0L engine approaching 200,000 miles and running strong on dino oil and P1 filters.

Just wondering who does a customer see, and where do they go/call if they have an engine failure using Synlube? Do they run to open desert space in NV hoping to get beamed to the Synlube suite on the Enterprise?

The way I see it the Synlube warranty is no risk to Synlube either, just try and locate them.

AD

It was not stated the car stops running at 100k...give me a break.... It's already proven that after 100k the fuel spray pattern is out of spec and the injectors should be replaced because emissions are higher and or the cat is doing more work to clean up the exhaust.

It's all about emissions now days. The EPA wants all cars to have ultra low emissions and stay ultra low for as long as possible. However...after a 100k on a typical car emissions start going up!!

AT 200k....your car would be much higher than when it had 50k...even if the check engine light is not on..your cars emissions are higher. That was the whole point basically.

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Originally posted by ADFD1:

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I have even seen Memo from Chrysler to BOSCH demanding price reduction and the justification was "quote" "THERE IS NO REASON FOR A FUEL INJECTOR TO LAST LONGER THAN 100,000 miles"

My Uncle has a 318 in a Dodge Ram used for hauling a boat, with close to 175,000 miles. I sent him a link to this discussion he was rolling on the floor he said in an email. His Ram PU runs like a clock. He can't believe this thread survived 57 pages, and not one fact with any proof about Synlube was posted, just a lot of BS from 1 shill with a few names as he put it.

AD

I am glad to see on the other thread you admit your family uses products like marvel mystery oil and auto-rx.........to remove sludge.

So that is why that engine with only 175k is running so good as you say.........you have to over maintain them... and flush them of sludge on regular basis with mmo/auto-rx....

now I am rolling on the floor with laughter.

The whole point of this thread was that store bought oils have issues...and now you finally admit there are issues on the other thread titled MMO or auto-rx.

Finally the truth comes out....it's about time..... it took long enough!!!

So where are the docs for those tests synlube claims it passed.

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Tell that to my 3.0L engine approaching 200,000 miles and running strong on dino oil and P1 filters.

However...you admit on the thread titled MMO or auto rx..........you are using sludge removing products to accomplish 200k. Why??

The whole point of this thread was to show that dino oil and group III synthetic cause the very problems you are trying to address with the solvent based chlorine spiked MMO. Yes..MMO does have chlorine...did you know that?

Why are you using auto-rx in addition to mmo?

Did you see the valve picks on this forum showing that the auto rx did not clean up the massive sludge in that engine??

Why not use 100% PAO premium group IV synthetic oils in the first place and avoid those issues in the first place.

The P1 filter restricts oil by the way especially petroleum oil.

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You bozos can't tell a link from a non-link. No wonder you can't understand what Miro has been telling you for days, weeks, months, YEARS.

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inHaliburton....Look what trajen is talking about on the other thread with ADF1,cp30 etc.

MMO and auto-rx....and they all use those products admitting sludge issues/concerns.

All those naysayers are talking about and using products that are designed to remove sludge!!

Marvel mystery motor oil....auto-rx........all in an effort to address sludge. Why?? They are admitting that sludge is an issue on the other thread by using those products.

Wow....the truth finally comes out!!!

Capt. Kirk: Nice work!

It's mighty quiet out there since you dropped that A bomb. They must be in a huddle trying to figure out a come-back. The native are restless...

InHaliburton I’ve noticed that you never let a thought interrupt the flow of your conversation,was that your conclusion, or simply the point in the conversation where you got tired of thinking?

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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:

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inHaliburton....Look what trajen is talking about on the other thread with ADF1,cp30 etc.

MMO and auto-rx....and they all use those products admitting sludge issues/concerns.

All those naysayers are talking about and using products that are designed to remove sludge!!

Marvel mystery motor oil....auto-rx........all in an effort to address sludge. Why?? They are admitting that sludge is an issue on the other thread by using those products.

Wow....the truth finally comes out!!!

Yes, I just finished reading that thread. It does sound like conflicting info. Maybe they can explain why they use the stuff if they are satisfied with their motor oils.

Personally, I have not used any additives in the current car, 2005 Focus, 275 000 kms.

Sorry to ask, but memory is bad. What do you drive, engine, bought new or used, when started using Synlube, have you had the valve covers off, your thoughts on the product. In all these pages, I can't remember.

Thanks.

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Originally posted by Trajan:
So where are the docs for those tests synlube claims it passed.

Come on Trojan, stop with that stupid nonsense of yours. It's becoming very boring.

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Originally posted by vitual_mage:
InHaliburton I’ve noticed that you never let a thought interrupt the flow of your conversation,was that your conclusion, or simply the point in the conversation where you got tired of thinking?

No offense to you Vitual, but I do not understand. I know it's a Jeep thing with you, but could it be that you have received one to many bumps on the head from bouncing up and down in that tightly sprung Jeep? Salute!

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Originally posted by inHaliburton:

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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:

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inHaliburton....Look what trajen is talking about on the other thread with ADF1,cp30 etc.

MMO and auto-rx....and they all use those products admitting sludge issues/concerns.

All those naysayers are talking about and using products that are designed to remove sludge!!

Marvel mystery motor oil....auto-rx........all in an effort to address sludge. Why?? They are admitting that sludge is an issue on the other thread by using those products.

Wow....the truth finally comes out!!!

Yes, I just finished reading that thread. It does sound like conflicting info. Maybe they can explain why they use the stuff if they are satisfied with their motor oils.

Personally, I have not used any additives in the current car, 2005 Focus, 275 000 kms.

Sorry to ask, but memory is bad. What do you drive, engine, bought new or used, when started using Synlube, have you had the valve covers off, your thoughts on the product. In all these pages, I can't remember.

Thanks.

The cars that had it were used cars when I bought them.

1991- Cadillac Eldorado 4.9 V-8 140,000 used. Totaled head on at 169,000. Synlube had about 25,000 on it if memory servers. Engine was running very perfect,car was sports car fast....always passed emission. Valve train... like budman showed on his car....was seen with oil fill cap off and Looked very clean to me. Synlube cleaned that engine Up! Too bad for the accident. Loved that car!

1995 Pontiac 3.1 Gran prix. Used. Installed synlube at around 33,000 miles. Car ran perfect,clean engine(oil cap off). Always past NJ state Inspection. 23 Mpg average.

Filters cut open all were clean. Care saw amsoil for a while at first which cleaned the engine I'm sure. Intake manifold gasket leaked some coolant into the Synlube. Bars stop leak fixed that and a good drive dried out the oil.

At 76,000 last march car was traded in for new 2009 v6 mustang. Car ran perfect,engine still clean even though some coolant got into synlube...that was impressive!! Synlube drained out looking good and sent back for 100% credit,new oil I got free is now in the mustang.

2001.5 VW 1.8t bought used with 38,000 miles. Saw amsoil for a while to prove engine was good and help clean the engine. Installed synlube at 50,000. Car now has 68,000. Engine is perfect. Valvetrain through cap looks clean. Last filter cut open looked clean. Always passes state inspection....never any issues. Car run perfect!

1996 buick riviera. 3.8 series II engine 205 HP. Used again. Synlube at 114,000 miles.
Car was traded in at 178,000 with synlube still in car(forgot to drain/sales pressure)...transmission was acting up!(never synlubed the tranny). The engine ran perfect. Never any emission issues. Cut open filers...clean. Sylube had 64,000 miles on it. I did do several oil filter changes because car was very used...but good. Engine was running flawless when traded. I'm still ticked for not draining out the synlube for credit. oh well!

2008 Brand new Jeep Grand Cherokee Ltd.4.7 V8(303 Hp). Nice engine. Synlubed at 700 Miles in August of 2008. Jeep now has 14,500 on it. That Jeep is a runner Man. I will keep you posted on the jeep. So far,so Very Good.

I am going to follow with the JeeP and the Mustang the 50,000 drain interval and get 100% credit for new oil....hey why not...it's free from now on. I Plan on the maximum engine life schedule. Leaving it in for 150k is for "normal" life.

I can't see past the oil fill cap on the stang or the Jeep,my view is blocked...I'm not worried...I've seen what it can do!!

It's also in the 7Hp over head briggs lawn mower,Honda Snow Bower,etc.etc. lawn equipment! I am not going to ever drain out of the lawn mower just to see what it can do.

The last lawn mower saw 250 hours run time/ 7 years on engine with synlube and ran perfect always..no engine isssues ever...and the crappy yardman mowers wheels fell off twice,power drive kept braking....bought a new craftsmen two years ago,much better overall mower. The other yard-man mower I put out to the curb with only the engine still be being the best running perfect part.....mower was gone the next day.

So far,I have not ever had any engine issues ever using this product. The engine outlives the equipment. The real ultimate test is always the fleet users who use run with Synlube. I wonder who went the longest so far?

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Captain, you are wrong. bruce381 is a tribologist and a blender and has probably been doing it longer than Miro.

OK what company he works for and what BRAND is he blending ?

That should not be too much to ask for ???

Or is it ?

Where are the documents for the tests you claim to pass?

Well?

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I was under the impression that all auto manufactures are supposed to keep parts for 10 years after the car is sold.

Lot of people have that impression, not even sure where that tale came form !! (Was it BITOG)

Show me the NHTSA or EPA law that states so !

The only requirement in USA is to have parts that can support 9% of production of 26 vehicles (which eve is less) for the duration of the Emission Performance Warranty and have those parts available within 24 hours to the dealer.

That is CARB and EPA "regulation" but not a LAW.

Law however is that if there is 26 successive failures of any emission part the EPA has to be notified, if the MFG fails to do so, like Mercedes-Benz neglected to do for 10 years, they get fined for that, not for NOT HAVING the parts, but for NOT REPORTING the failures that cause Air Pollution (exhaust or gas tank evaporative) that is part of the Clean Air Act and sicn ethat was passed by congress and signed by respective presidents in office for the updates it is the ONLY LAW that requires any part to be available.

Part availability during Warranty Period is what MFG view as "obligation" to their customers, but they do not even have to do that.

PS: The duration of the Emission performance warranty is either 70 or 80% of the maximum certified useful life which today ranges from 100,000 to 150,000 miles

Except in California where since 2010 the certified life is 120,000 miles for the power train (or 150,000 if PZEV) and 150,000 for the evaporative.

Note the Evaporative is LONGER than the powertrain as in the CA opinion car can break down (not run) and be parked for several years with fuel in the tank, and they do not want parked junkers to pollute the air !!!

Kind a smart move, in my humble opinion.

Also explain this trend:

in 2009 MORE vehicles junked (about 14 million) than sold (about 10.4 million)

Average age of the vehicles on the road 9.2 years.

BUT most amazing the average age of the taken out of service vehicle is only 6.8 years, that means that more and more OLD vehicles remain in service - and much younger vehicles get taken out of service.

And that includes the 690,000 + clunkers that averaged 14 years (median 13 years) in age !!!

The most common MY traded-in was 1995, then 1997 and 1998

The oldest year applicable 1984, which you would expect to be the MOST as those vehicles if they even run have no resale value was only 0.27% - only 2005 MY was lower (0.04%).

So again really old cars that really would not be worth $4,500 to anyone were actually NOT traded-in that often !!!


So this trend indeed proves with 95% confidence level in statistics that NEW vehicles (more recent MY) do not last as long as the older vehicles still in service (older MY).

Again I rest my case and await the verdict by jury !

ON Longevity:

Vehicle Age
(Passenger Car)
Estimated
Survivability
(1977 to 2002 NVPP)
Estimated VMT
(2001 NHTS)
Weighted Yearly
Travel Miles
1 0.99 14,231 14,089
2 0.9831 13,961 13,725
3 0.9731 13,669 13,300
4 0.9593 13,357 12,813
5 0.9413 13,028 12,262
6 0.9188 12,683 11,652
7 0.8918 12,325 10,991
8 0.8604 11,956 10,287
9 0.8252 11,578 9,554
10 0.7866 11,193 8,804
11 0.717 10,804 7,746
12 0.6125 10,413 6,378
13 0.5094 10,022 5,105
14 0.4142 9,633 3,990
15 0.3308 9,249 3,060
16 0.2604 8,871 2,310
17 0.2028 8,502 1,724
18 0.1565 8,144 1,275
19 0.12 7,799 936
20 0.0916 7,469 684
21 0.0696 7,157 498
22 0.0527 6,866 362
23 0.0399 6,596 263
24 0.0301 6,350 191
25 0.0227 6,131 139
Estimated Passenger Car Lifetime VMT 152,137
Source: NHTSA, Vehicle Survivability and Travel Mileage Schedule, 2006

Notice that after 13 years you have 50/50 chance that your car will quit - even coin toss chance.

After 25 years so few cars are in service they do not bother to find/count them.