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I just read the turbine oil reclamation/refortification article in the Aug '04 Machinery Lubrication magizine and was wondering if anyone has gone through the process of refortification with an additive package. I've got some turbine oil with an RPVOT of 85 minutes and have recommeded a change out and I know someone will bring up "sweetening" the oil with a barrel or 2 of additive. Any info would be appreciated.
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As the ML article states, refortifying additives in turbine oils can be very complex. Other lubricants lend themselves to additive refortification much more than turbine oils. Adding anti-oxidants to turbine oils will have a positive result on RPVOT values, since this test is highly influenced with antioxidant formulations. Therefore, you may be able to reach 4-500 minutes. But, if the refortification is not done properly, the RPVOT value will quickly drop down once the oil is in service and a host of serious performance problems can occur (as outlined in the article.)

I'm aware of one oil company that used to sell an additive concentrate for turbine oils, but they no longer do as the risk for problems was too high. Adding a couple of drums to your system is not advisable, as the volume of your system may not be exactly known and additive refortification requires specific blending equipment.

If you are using an old Group I turbine oil, the refortifying process is simpler. Group II's are much more sensitive because of a lower solubility. Furthermore, some formulations use solid additives that are melted into the oil - not a simple task to perform on-site. Often times, the amount of up front analysis to confirm additive compatibility and performance is daunting and costly. This impacts the potential savings from additive refortification.

If you're still interested in refortifying your oil's additives, do a lot of research on the prospective contractor. Ask for several references and make sure that they have an in-depth understanding of the oil's formulation.

If I were in your shoes, I would simply follow ASTM 4378's recommendations of changing the oil when the RPVOT value hits 25% of new. Much less complicated!
You can improve RPVOT value by "sweetening" your oil with new turbine oil. Simply drain portion of your oil and replenish your sump(s) with new R&O turbine oil. This way you can momentarily improve (by dilution) ability of your oil to withstand oxidation better. However, this is a short-term solution, but it will buy you some time to plan and schedule complete oil replacement. This is much simpler than readditizing by blending pure additives with your in-service oil (as Greg described so eloquently).
I agree with the last comment, because refortification in turbine oils may be very dificult. I prefer sweetening.

You could reach better results by using Group II or III compatible oil for replenishing. For example if you have now 85 minutes and you put mineral Group I Turbine Oil (RPVOT 400 minutes), the new oil will have a RPVOT between 85 and 400 minutes, but if you use a Group III oil (RPVOT 1,400 minutes), the final RPVOT will be higher.
Anyway, first than all, take a look to the TAN value. You can do all above if TAN is lower than 0.2. If not, your best choice, will be make a complete change of oil.

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