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INHALIBURTON: While not attempting to answer for Miro, I believe that all supplies are obtained directly from SynLube. I would suggest their coolant too. If you or your mechanic does a full block drain getting rid of all the old stuff, you won't have to change your coolant ever again. SynLube's coolant has a 300K mile service life.
I think I'm going to have to put BeanOil in the same category as Chumley: a troublemaker with nothing in the way of constructive comment. Of course, it might be Chumley under a new name.
Beanoil is correct and Miro is not. Pure ion free water is extremely agressive towards metals. The pure water prefers to be in solution with ions and will pick them up from any likely metallic donor.
If you want to see it in action, build a deionized water distribution sytem from copper tubing. It will last about 6 months before the copper is dissolved away and the pipe springs multiple leaks. I know this for a fact because I had to deal with this in a new lab I once moved into.
As was asked before, what exactly is the benefit from using pure water in the coolant? None of the benefits Miro mentioned hold up when examined.
Also, there are a lot of ultrapurification water processors out there for making reagent grade water for use in chemical labs testing ultratrace levels of metals in water samples. No one that needs ultrapure water is forced into reacting hydrogen with oxygen to make it.
If you want to see it in action, build a deionized water distribution sytem from copper tubing. It will last about 6 months before the copper is dissolved away and the pipe springs multiple leaks. I know this for a fact because I had to deal with this in a new lab I once moved into.
As was asked before, what exactly is the benefit from using pure water in the coolant? None of the benefits Miro mentioned hold up when examined.
Also, there are a lot of ultrapurification water processors out there for making reagent grade water for use in chemical labs testing ultratrace levels of metals in water samples. No one that needs ultrapure water is forced into reacting hydrogen with oxygen to make it.
"To us Used SynLube has VALUE - it is reporcessed and sold to Government Fleets for $50.00 per Liter - and by mandate in some states Government vehicles have to use Reprocessed or Re-refined oil, and are prohibited to utilize lubricants made from fresh virgin oil - president Clinton signed that order few years back !"
Check your facts:
That is wrong no one is prohibited from using virgin oil, only that rerefined oil should be used if the quality and cost are the same as virgin with NO economic difference. If the rerefined costs more than the virgin supply the agency does not have to use it.
Source ILMA
bruce
Check your facts:
That is wrong no one is prohibited from using virgin oil, only that rerefined oil should be used if the quality and cost are the same as virgin with NO economic difference. If the rerefined costs more than the virgin supply the agency does not have to use it.
Source ILMA
bruce
quote:Originally posted by Houckster:
I think I'm going to have to put BeanOil in the same category as Chumley: a troublemaker with nothing in the way of constructive comment. Of course, it might be Chumley under a new name.
Notoriety with anonymity. The best of both worlds.. Troublemaker, no. Fact finder, aggressive, creative thinker, not easily fooled, yes. You can continue to use whatever you please Sir Huckster, but don't come on to a chat board filled with intelligent people, parroting sales pitches from a web site filled with mispellings, unsupported data, and personal opinions, and expect others to follow like lost lambs because YOU believe the pitch. I call them as I see them, and I see a marketing pitch for the general public to encourage them to part with their dough. Don't get your internals in an uproar, I'm sure there will be plenty of folks who will buy the product. After all, didn't PT Barnum say there was one born every minute?
HOUCKSTER wrote:
Disregarding fact that this topic is about synthetic oil I would post a question: what would be noticeable difference between this service life and Amsoil's (non toxic and biodegradable) "Propylene Glycol Antifreeze and Engine Coolant" with seven years or 250,000 miles in passenger cars, light-duty trucks, vans and recreational vehicles and seven years or 750,000 miles in over-the-road diesel trucks? Additionally, it self-seals hairline cracks in welds and seams to prevent leaks, without additional stop-leak products or fibrous materials.
Answer is: "just" better priced!
Returning to topic - am I missing something or we (simply) are waiting for UOA analysis for two weeks? Don't you think that effectiveness like that is not recommending (and good enough)?
quote:...you won't have to change your coolant ever again. SynLube's coolant has a 300K mile service life.
Disregarding fact that this topic is about synthetic oil I would post a question: what would be noticeable difference between this service life and Amsoil's (non toxic and biodegradable) "Propylene Glycol Antifreeze and Engine Coolant" with seven years or 250,000 miles in passenger cars, light-duty trucks, vans and recreational vehicles and seven years or 750,000 miles in over-the-road diesel trucks? Additionally, it self-seals hairline cracks in welds and seams to prevent leaks, without additional stop-leak products or fibrous materials.
Answer is: "just" better priced!
Returning to topic - am I missing something or we (simply) are waiting for UOA analysis for two weeks? Don't you think that effectiveness like that is not recommending (and good enough)?
quote:Answer is: "just" better priced!
What are the respective prices US? Up here in the land of the outstretch palm, it's standard procedure to add between 40 to 60% to US prices, assuming both products are sold here in Canada. In this case, only Amsoil is available up here..
quote:Returning to topic - am I missing something or we (simply) are waiting for UOA analysis for two weeks? Don't you think that effectiveness like that is not recommending (and good enough)? None of you guys are going believe the numbers, anyway.
What's the rush now that we are into pagce 14?
Sorry, the second part of the previous post should look like this:
What's the rush now that we are into pagce 14?
Besides, none of you guys are going believe the numbers, anyway.
quote:Returning to topic - am I missing something or we (simply) are waiting for UOA analysis for two weeks? Don't you think that effectiveness like that is not recommending (and good enough)?
What's the rush now that we are into pagce 14?
Besides, none of you guys are going believe the numbers, anyway.
Am I missing something. Is there not one user of Synlube that has gone far enough to justify a uoa? And better, yet, is there someone that has done multiple uoa's on the same vehicle? Fourteen pages of speculation....... yiiiikes.
We are waiting for an UOA at this time. Just not sure when it's going to show up yet...
I sent in an oil sample about 2-3 weeks ago and SynLube has forwarded it the test lab they use. The testing facility has new owners and they are apparently having some problems with turnaround time. I will post the results as soon as I get them.
Is there an estimate, a date or something about when a uoa might be published? Can we get our Synlube user to make an estimate? I'm getting so excited, sitting here late at night, just thinking about a uoa from Synlube. Would a press release be in order? For something like this would Dan Rather come out of retirement? Oh, please, tell me it's comming, soon?
Barkerman: I am, as you are, very interested in the results. At this point, all we can do is hurry up and keep waiting. I'm sure that Miro will forward the results as soon as he gets them.
Posted Sat September 10 2005 06:36 AM
Posted Tue October 18 2005 11:18 PM
I sent in an oil sample about 2-3 weeks ago and SynLube has forwarded it the test lab they use. The testing facility has new owners and they are apparently having some problems with turnaround time. I will post the results as soon as I get them.
So you sent in the sample on Sept 9th?? or did you send it in "about 2-3 weeks ago"
Over 1 month for a UOA,s Id say the results are already suspect or at least the lab is.
bruce
quote:Originally posted by Houckster:
I sent in my oil sample to SynLube yesterday. I will post immediately upon receiving the results.
Posted Tue October 18 2005 11:18 PM
I sent in an oil sample about 2-3 weeks ago and SynLube has forwarded it the test lab they use. The testing facility has new owners and they are apparently having some problems with turnaround time. I will post the results as soon as I get them.
So you sent in the sample on Sept 9th?? or did you send it in "about 2-3 weeks ago"
Over 1 month for a UOA,s Id say the results are already suspect or at least the lab is.
bruce
I received a further communication from SynLube:
We finally got the results so I am mailing you the copy . . .
All is normal, at least within the "lab" error range.
The test guy is new and does not have clue, and they did not compare it to fresh oil like I asked them.
Any way the details about the results are on our web (I am sure you know about them).
Any specific questions e-mail me.
Because of the graphite the TBN comes about 6 to 7 points LESS than it is by chemical titration so again nothing to worry about and the real TBN is still way over 10.
They use electronic probe which conducts current through the sample and unless the result is at least 5 TAN the Syn is still OK to be used.
I have personally never seen more than TAN 0.5 which when compared by chemical titration was actually 5.8.
We finally got the results so I am mailing you the copy . . .
All is normal, at least within the "lab" error range.
The test guy is new and does not have clue, and they did not compare it to fresh oil like I asked them.
Any way the details about the results are on our web (I am sure you know about them).
Any specific questions e-mail me.
Because of the graphite the TBN comes about 6 to 7 points LESS than it is by chemical titration so again nothing to worry about and the real TBN is still way over 10.
They use electronic probe which conducts current through the sample and unless the result is at least 5 TAN the Syn is still OK to be used.
I have personally never seen more than TAN 0.5 which when compared by chemical titration was actually 5.8.
Unlike some of us I am not suspicious about (coming) UOA results. Lab is lab and has to do job (at least) properly (if they want to survive). But, I am really "wonderstruck" with all that dilation about analysis. With all other laboratories it takes 2 to 3 days (at most). With this one - more than month. (so) Special oil or extremely special lab?
If I were Miro Kefurt I would have them replaced immediately.
If I were Miro Kefurt I would have them replaced immediately.
[How about posting the results here?
If standard lab results have to be rewritten, why bother with the lab at all? This is a telling comment that modern technology is not up to date enough to even look at Synlube. What do we do, now?
Can we look at the results on their web site. Whose web site anyway? I looked at Synlubes site and could not find any UOA's listed. From Rocky Horror Picture Show.
I am waiting with Annn...... Tici........PAtion!
I am waiting with Annn...... Tici........PAtion!
