I agree with Jason8691. I like to go back to the SynLube site every now and then and see if Miro has added any interesting material. I would like for him to come out with a 0W50 (It's actually very close now) and a 0W60 oil even though the latter would be very expensive.
Every now and then Miro will drop me a line asking about the mileage on the oil and about oil consumption. I'll ask if he's reconsidered next time.
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Hi, Houckster.
Something new has happened. For diesel cars, you now get only 5/40 oil, in both Initial and Add oil. For petrol cars, however, it is still 5/50. I don't think there is a need for a thicker oil than the 5/50, because of the solids in Synlube.
I don't have a petrol car, but I found something interesting here: www.enginebrain.com . I have bought it as a Christmas gift for my brother, and I am also interested to hear from anyone that have any experience with it.
Something new has happened. For diesel cars, you now get only 5/40 oil, in both Initial and Add oil. For petrol cars, however, it is still 5/50. I don't think there is a need for a thicker oil than the 5/50, because of the solids in Synlube.
I don't have a petrol car, but I found something interesting here: www.enginebrain.com . I have bought it as a Christmas gift for my brother, and I am also interested to hear from anyone that have any experience with it.
JONNY-B: I'm not really surprised. The needs of gas and diesel engines have grown more different as a function of increase pollution-reducing measure like low sulphur fuel take effect. It makes sense to produce a no-compromise diesel lube.
Miro had told me that he anticipated doing this last year or early this year:
The 5W-50 may be split into two versions in 2007 due to new Diesel Requirements that conflict with Gasoline Engine needs, and thus universal oil may be cost prohibitive to produce.
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It was nice having just one oil but the 5W50 is still available and that's key for us gassers. OTOH, diesel owners can purchase an oil idealized for their engine's needs.
Miro had told me that he anticipated doing this last year or early this year:
The 5W-50 may be split into two versions in 2007 due to new Diesel Requirements that conflict with Gasoline Engine needs, and thus universal oil may be cost prohibitive to produce.
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It was nice having just one oil but the 5W50 is still available and that's key for us gassers. OTOH, diesel owners can purchase an oil idealized for their engine's needs.
Ok guys, 5w40 is THINNER than 5w50. The first number is what viscosity the oil is rated at in cold temperatures. The last number is the SAE base oil rating of the oil. So 5w40 is a 40 weight oil that will act like a 5 weight oil when cold, same with the 5w50. It is a 50 weight oil that acts like a 5 weight when cold.
Hi, Dad.
The point is: due to new diesel oil requirements, Synlube have come up with a new oil for dieselengines, that replace the old 5/50.
The new oil is a 5/40. For gasoline engines you still have the 5/50.
However, diesel engines can still use the 5/50, but it does not meet the CJ-4 requirements(but the new 5/40 does).
The point is: due to new diesel oil requirements, Synlube have come up with a new oil for dieselengines, that replace the old 5/50.
The new oil is a 5/40. For gasoline engines you still have the 5/50.
However, diesel engines can still use the 5/50, but it does not meet the CJ-4 requirements(but the new 5/40 does).
quote:As you said, the auto manufacturer is a part of the problem. They want you to come back, and when they use ordinary oil, they are sure you will visit them soon.
BS. Transmission, dif, bearings, suspension...all lube for life (at least that is what they want you to believe in their marketing
). If they could market a car that did not have to have the engine oil changed, they would do it in a minute. The enviro aspect alone would be a huge selling point that they would love to capitilize on (Hybrids anyone?). The fact that they are not doing this is a good indicator of reality.
I think the person with the most BS here, is the one who doesn't know what he is talking about, since he hasn't tried the product he so boldly states is worthless.
If you want to know what it is like to drive a new car or how it feels like to be on Everest, don't you think it is wise to talk to someone who have done it themselves?
I can see that you have an idea about that,Tempest.
If you want to know what it is like to drive a new car or how it feels like to be on Everest, don't you think it is wise to talk to someone who have done it themselves?
I can see that you have an idea about that,Tempest.
quote:since he hasn't tried the product
Stuck your hand in a fire?
Jumped off a bridge?
Hopped in front of bus?
Stood behind (or in front of, for that matter) a jet engine?
Drove a car over your foot?
You don't have to try these things to know that they will hurt. By your logic, you do.
quote:BS. Transmission, dif, bearings, suspension...all lube for life (at least that is what they want you to believe in their marketing graemlin:
I don't buy that argument. Perhaps the auto manufacturers may want to market a car that doesn't require an oil change during it life. However, the oil companies would not be happy with this arrangement. The shareholders would have their heads if they were to market a product that would reduce sales.
I think you are totally correct, inHaliburton.
Of course the oilcompanies want what is best for them, not you and me, or the environment.
A person must be very narrowminded(or brainwashed), if he/she doesn't understand such a simple thing.
Thinking that the oilcompanies want what is best for you, is really being a bit naive.
What is even worse, is when the same person is trying to tell others that what he doesn't know or understand, doesn't exist.
Of course the oilcompanies want what is best for them, not you and me, or the environment.
A person must be very narrowminded(or brainwashed), if he/she doesn't understand such a simple thing.
Thinking that the oilcompanies want what is best for you, is really being a bit naive.
What is even worse, is when the same person is trying to tell others that what he doesn't know or understand, doesn't exist.
Tempest writes (unfortunately) concerning my contention that he should try to understand the product before condemning it:
Tempest: You simply are a mess. Every day, SynLube users like Jonny-B and myself go out and drive without a single problem. But that doesn't matter to you: SynLube is an illusion. Your blindness is just what marketing departments are for.
I have 37K on the oil with no oil consumption and well above normal fuel economy. Jonny-B has had excellent service as well. Care to tell us when our engines will blow up?
You're beating a dead horse here. I'm not due to change my oil for another 6 years. And even at that point, the oil will have plenty nearly all of its new performance because the OCI for this oil is about half of its effective life.
You're asking us to substitute your judgment for reality. I think I'll pass.
And then, we have this little gem from TEMPEST:
Toyota's Yaris doesn't even have a drain plug for its automatic or manual transmissions. Is this the wave of the future? Or are they just trying to prevent their cars from lasting so long in order to increase sales. Maybe they know that products like SynLube would keep people out of the showrooms? Hmmmm?
And another reason the OEMs don't bring out cars with lifetime engine, differential and transmission oils? Because of people like you, Tempest, who would never believe it was possible and would complain bitterly.
Finally, don't you think the car dealers would be just a bit put out when a good source of business is suddenly wiped out?
quote:Stuck your hand in a fire?
Jumped off a bridge?
Hopped in front of bus?
Stood behind (or in front of, for that matter) a jet engine?
Drove a car over your foot?
You don't have to try these things to know that they will hurt. By your logic, you do.
Tempest: You simply are a mess. Every day, SynLube users like Jonny-B and myself go out and drive without a single problem. But that doesn't matter to you: SynLube is an illusion. Your blindness is just what marketing departments are for.
I have 37K on the oil with no oil consumption and well above normal fuel economy. Jonny-B has had excellent service as well. Care to tell us when our engines will blow up?
You're beating a dead horse here. I'm not due to change my oil for another 6 years. And even at that point, the oil will have plenty nearly all of its new performance because the OCI for this oil is about half of its effective life.
You're asking us to substitute your judgment for reality. I think I'll pass.
And then, we have this little gem from TEMPEST:
Honestly, when are ya gonna start thinking things through? Many cars already have bearings that are made to last the life of the vehicle so the concept is not foreign to the OEMs. That's why my Ranger doesn't have grease fittings though I wish it did so I could inject some of SynLube's excellent grease in them.quote:BS. Transmission, dif, bearings, suspension...all lube for life (at least that is what they want you to believe in their marketing ). If they could market a car that did not have to have the engine oil changed, they would do it in a minute. The enviro aspect alone would be a huge selling point that they would love to capitilize on (Hybrids anyone?). The fact that they are not doing this is a good indicator of reality.
Toyota's Yaris doesn't even have a drain plug for its automatic or manual transmissions. Is this the wave of the future? Or are they just trying to prevent their cars from lasting so long in order to increase sales. Maybe they know that products like SynLube would keep people out of the showrooms? Hmmmm?
And another reason the OEMs don't bring out cars with lifetime engine, differential and transmission oils? Because of people like you, Tempest, who would never believe it was possible and would complain bitterly.
Finally, don't you think the car dealers would be just a bit put out when a good source of business is suddenly wiped out?
Houckster, to piggyback on a few of your points in your last post, it's evident that the auto manufacturers are able to produce engines capable of performing well for many hundreds of thousands of kilometers (and like you, I wish my Focus had grease nipples), but they seem incapable (or unwilling) of producing bodies that won't deteriorate must past 5 year, even with yearly undercoating.
In another vein, have a look at the current issue of Consumer Reports and look at the percentage of people who would purchase again the car they are currently driving. Not the lack of North American cars.
Then look at the percentage of people who would not re-purchase the current car they are driving. Observe the number of North American cars that fall within this group.
In another vein, have a look at the current issue of Consumer Reports and look at the percentage of people who would purchase again the car they are currently driving. Not the lack of North American cars.
Then look at the percentage of people who would not re-purchase the current car they are driving. Observe the number of North American cars that fall within this group.
quote:And another reason the OEMs don't bring out cars with lifetime engine, differential and transmission oils?
Get a clue. Did you read my post? The point of my post is that they are ALREADY saying most of these are lube for life, WITHOUT Synlube. They want the least maninance cost, least trouble they can advertise. They know consumers don't want to maintain their vehicles. Chrysler has an unlimited powertrain warranty as a perfect example of the "no worry" advertising mindset. If they could advertise no oil changes for 15 years, the car companies would be all over it.
And I'm not talking about oil companies. 2 different entities.
And as far as people having problems with it:
quote:After about 15k on the oil, my Nissan Murano no longer carries Synlube. I have no hard factual evidence against Synlube other than my experience and what I was told.
Our Murano started to exhibit a "whine" of sorts around the time I posted above. It was an intermittent whine that sounded like it was the AC compressor as it seemed to have started while it was getting hot here and only happened at idle. We had our Murano in for what I would call an ever so slight "knocking" at take-off from a stop shortly before this whine started, in which the dealer never verified nor could find any cause. We just brushed it off until this whine started. It started to get worse so we made our trip to the dealer and was able to show them the sound.
They had called the next day and I was floored when the service manager told me he had changed the oil as whatever was in there was SO SLUDGED that it sort of chunked out. They did two engine flushes, filled it with their dino of choice and sent us on our way. I felt like a complete idiot as I had to play dumb (for warranty reasons) that I kept it on a strict DIY chance schedule. They asked me what I used and I told them "walmart brand synthetic oil" to get me off the hook a little. They admited to doing nothing more to the car than said service of oil change and flushes. It hasn't whined SINCE.
I have kept up with 4k (exxon dino) changes and all is fine. I honestly have noticed a slight drop in mpg's though being back on dino but it could just be change of driving habit as my wife now works closer to home.
I did contact Synlube and they told me I could have gotten 100% refund had I gotten back the drained oil (I was a little mad at Nissan for doing the service without asking, no matter how little it may seem to them) and he did offer that it may have been misinterpreted as sludge as Synlube is different looking to most mechanics. He did also suggest maybe something WAS fixed, but hidden as the oil, as dealers sometimes do (especially one who admits DIY changes) so as to shift any warranty possibilites later. I don't know what to think other than the car has been fine since and my wife has cursed me for "getting scammed on that expensive #@$%! oil I put in her car".
I think Synlube has good intentions and never once seemed dishonest. I can't say I would ever use it again as it seems the risks outweight rewards and there being just about zero hard evidence (other than testimonials) of its claims or worth. No hard feelings, just didn't work out for me. No where near 50k on one oil change.
From a post on BITOG. The stuff is junk.
Tempest, you just keep missing the point.
Tempest sadly writes: Get a clue. Did you read my post? The point of my post is that they are ALREADY saying most of these are lube for life, WITHOUT Synlube. They want the least maninance cost, least trouble they can advertise. They know consumers don't want to maintain their vehicles. Chrysler has an unlimited powertrain warranty as a perfect example of the "no worry" advertising mindset. If they could advertise no oil changes for 15 years, the car companies would be all over it.
No Tempest, they wouldn't. It is one thing to seal the bearings because it saves money in production. It is quite another for them to do away with a proven money-maker for the dealers like oil changes. You simply are so busy trying to attack SynLube that you're not paying attention to what you say, let alone what I'm talking about.
As as far as the Murano incident, again you simply are not thinking clearly. The dealer changes out the SynLube without permission and without finding out about the oil and now that's proof positive that SynLube's junk? Get a very big grip on your mind because you're losing it. If this had happened with the oil you favored involved, would you be so willing to believe the oil was at fault. Is it so impossible to believe that the problem might not have been oil-related? I guess for you it is.
And as far as BITOG goes, I have such a low opinion of them that I wouldn't trust anyone there. BITOG is junk.
Tempest sadly writes: Get a clue. Did you read my post? The point of my post is that they are ALREADY saying most of these are lube for life, WITHOUT Synlube. They want the least maninance cost, least trouble they can advertise. They know consumers don't want to maintain their vehicles. Chrysler has an unlimited powertrain warranty as a perfect example of the "no worry" advertising mindset. If they could advertise no oil changes for 15 years, the car companies would be all over it.
No Tempest, they wouldn't. It is one thing to seal the bearings because it saves money in production. It is quite another for them to do away with a proven money-maker for the dealers like oil changes. You simply are so busy trying to attack SynLube that you're not paying attention to what you say, let alone what I'm talking about.
As as far as the Murano incident, again you simply are not thinking clearly. The dealer changes out the SynLube without permission and without finding out about the oil and now that's proof positive that SynLube's junk? Get a very big grip on your mind because you're losing it. If this had happened with the oil you favored involved, would you be so willing to believe the oil was at fault. Is it so impossible to believe that the problem might not have been oil-related? I guess for you it is.
And as far as BITOG goes, I have such a low opinion of them that I wouldn't trust anyone there. BITOG is junk.
quote:It is one thing to seal the bearings because it saves money in production. It is quite another for them to do away with a proven money-maker for the dealers like oil changes. You simply are so busy trying to attack SynLube that you're not paying attention to what you say, let alone what I'm talking about.
You forgot once again that many OEMs are advertising lube for life tannies and difs already. If the dealer could make such good profit on these (both of which cost much more than an engine oil change), why would the OE cut the dealer out? 30K changes would bring in much more money. Makes no sense. Also, OEM is constantly rasing OCIs. Honda is at 10K, Ford is at 7.5K, many European manufacturers are @ 20K. If changing oil is such a great profit center, why would this be? Don't you think they would have a death grip on the 3K oil change? Not the case.
quote:If this had happened with the oil you favored involved, would you be so willing to believe the oil was at fault.
The guys was a big Synlube supporter as can be seen here:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb...er=146629#Post146629 It did not work out for him.
quote:I have such a low opinion of them that I wouldn't trust anyone there.
Not a surprise considering the science over there (which can be easily verified on line with a little searching) is not in line with what you know works.
quote: After about 15k on the oil, my Nissan Murano no longer carries Synlube. I have no hard factual evidence against Synlube other than my experience and what I was told.
Hi, Tempest.
I guess you didn't know that this particular Nissan Murano had issues before he put Synlube in, according to the garage that serviced it before. Another thing, is that it probably wasn't Synlube at all in that engine, for whatever reason. At least one thing he should have done, was to see with his own eyes that the garage really put in Synlube, since he didn't care enough to change it himself. The servicemanager that had kept the Synlube for his own use, probably had a good laugh. Why else do you think he didn't take care of the used oil? It was because a test would have said that it wasn't Synlube. I am not sure, but I think I mentioned something about being naive...
Anyway, Tempest, I can see why you are having a good time at "the other board".
You really should spend more time over there.
Hi, Tempest.
I guess you didn't know that this particular Nissan Murano had issues before he put Synlube in, according to the garage that serviced it before. Another thing, is that it probably wasn't Synlube at all in that engine, for whatever reason. At least one thing he should have done, was to see with his own eyes that the garage really put in Synlube, since he didn't care enough to change it himself. The servicemanager that had kept the Synlube for his own use, probably had a good laugh. Why else do you think he didn't take care of the used oil? It was because a test would have said that it wasn't Synlube. I am not sure, but I think I mentioned something about being naive...
Anyway, Tempest, I can see why you are having a good time at "the other board".
You really should spend more time over there.
quote:it probably wasn't Synlube at all in that engine
Talk about conjecture to support your point. No evidence of that. Cetainly no more evidence than of any of the claims made in this thread.
quote:Anyway, Tempest, I can see why you are having a good time at "the other board".
You really should spend more time over there.
Ok, we are getting sooo far off of the topic that it isn't funny anymore.
Point being, you are either going to give the liquid gold a try, or you are going to stick to what YOU know works for YOU and YOUR engine. It is that simple.
Me? I probably would NOT use Synlube, not because of the reasons touted here, but because I have a system in place that works for me. Is it a quality product that can do more than the "brainwashed into our heads" 3K/3 months, heck yeah. I follow my engine minder and do about driving.
Yes, I used to be a very avid changer, even when using ester based synthetics, but now I've seen the light, save the cash, and listen to a computer that has been programmed to watch a hell of a lot more variables than I'll ever be able to pay attention to, or waste my brain cells doing it.
Point being, you are either going to give the liquid gold a try, or you are going to stick to what YOU know works for YOU and YOUR engine. It is that simple.
Me? I probably would NOT use Synlube, not because of the reasons touted here, but because I have a system in place that works for me. Is it a quality product that can do more than the "brainwashed into our heads" 3K/3 months, heck yeah. I follow my engine minder and do about driving.
Yes, I used to be a very avid changer, even when using ester based synthetics, but now I've seen the light, save the cash, and listen to a computer that has been programmed to watch a hell of a lot more variables than I'll ever be able to pay attention to, or waste my brain cells doing it.
The reason why I responded to Tempest, is because of his attitude about a product he know nothing about.
I am just satisfied with an oil that is doing something positive in my engines, and will report how many kilometers/miles the cars have with the same oil, without changing it.
By the way, I put it in February the 22nd and have been driving 34000 kilometers in my old Nissan with a total of 424000 kilometers on the odometer. According to those saying this oil is a scam, my engine will break down early next year because of the high mileage on this oil.
Want to place a bet, when this will occure?
In my Mercedes, I have an OLM that indicate when to change oil.
Unessesary to say that I will not follow its advice for when to do an oilchange.
When it comes to Synlube, I will be glad to hear from anyone that have PERSONAL experience with it, and not only heard something, from somebody who know somebody that have heard about someone that probaly is using Synlube.
I am just satisfied with an oil that is doing something positive in my engines, and will report how many kilometers/miles the cars have with the same oil, without changing it.
By the way, I put it in February the 22nd and have been driving 34000 kilometers in my old Nissan with a total of 424000 kilometers on the odometer. According to those saying this oil is a scam, my engine will break down early next year because of the high mileage on this oil.
Want to place a bet, when this will occure?
In my Mercedes, I have an OLM that indicate when to change oil.
Unessesary to say that I will not follow its advice for when to do an oilchange.
When it comes to Synlube, I will be glad to hear from anyone that have PERSONAL experience with it, and not only heard something, from somebody who know somebody that have heard about someone that probaly is using Synlube.
DAD2LEIA: What information does this "engine minder" system monitor?
My mother has a Camry and all I can figure out is that the maintenance light goes on every 5000 miles and that there's a very simple sequence to turn it off after the oil is changed. If the oil were being monitored and analyzed turning the maintenance light off wouldn't be necessary because when the new oil was monitored, the light should be turned off.
My mother has a Camry and all I can figure out is that the maintenance light goes on every 5000 miles and that there's a very simple sequence to turn it off after the oil is changed. If the oil were being monitored and analyzed turning the maintenance light off wouldn't be necessary because when the new oil was monitored, the light should be turned off.
