So send one. And to the FTC while you're at it.
Asking questions such as mine are far more effective IMHO. If someone had asked, it's quite possible we would of not gone on for 30 pages.
As I've said on the other board. No reasons to use it. Plenty not to.
Read our primer articles on High Mileage Oil, Synthetic Oil and Kinematic Viscosity
He sells his product through his Mirox Corp. That is his loophole..Anyway it's a bottom feeder company, they will never release any information to anyone, on this website or BITOG...Not even a MSDS.
Ah the loop hole. As the plot thickens.
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quote:Mirox Corp
When i see Mirox Corp from your suggestion in Nevada....,Mr. Miro is all in one person who handle this, from President, and as a secertary, etc.....and in the past i know the company in USA have a One-man handle all,maybe you can remember the product is fuel saver magnetic device.
hmm....yeah the same question,why the products dont have another standart specification/value like TBN, or HTHS, if they can wrote the viscocity index of this product.
enoch
Quote: If you think it has merit, use it. According to the nonsense posted on BITOG by two of the acolytes here, if you haven't used it, your opinions are meaningless.
So that would make yours..... End Quote.
Ah, you've used the stuff? Give all of us the benefit of your meaningful experience!
BITOG? Is that the site where one can get banned for expressing a negative opinion re sponsors?
Sorry, I didn't mean to insult the deep thinkers who have made intelligent posts on the previous couple of pages. Non of you guys (and gals?) sound like users to me.
So that would make yours..... End Quote.
Ah, you've used the stuff? Give all of us the benefit of your meaningful experience!
BITOG? Is that the site where one can get banned for expressing a negative opinion re sponsors?
Sorry, I didn't mean to insult the deep thinkers who have made intelligent posts on the previous couple of pages. Non of you guys (and gals?) sound like users to me.
quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
So send one. And to the FTC while you're at it.
Asking questions such as mine are far more effective IMHO. If someone had asked, it's quite possible we would of not gone on for 30 pages.
As I've said on the other board. No reasons to use it. Plenty not to.
Questions such as yours have been asked dozens of times in the past 30 pages. That's why this thread has now reached 31 pages. If you received favourable answers to your questions, would you use Synlube?
Of course no onw will do business with Synlube...They don't have a license to do business.
Seriously who would give their CC# to a company who's business license has been permanently revoked?
Can you post here or on BITOG, or on your website a MSDS...I do believe a MSDS has to be available...Who covers that the EPA?
Seriously who would give their CC# to a company who's business license has been permanently revoked?
Can you post here or on BITOG, or on your website a MSDS...I do believe a MSDS has to be available...Who covers that the EPA?
quote:Originally posted by inHaliburton:
Quote: If you think it has merit, use it. According to the nonsense posted on BITOG by two of the acolytes here, if you haven't used it, your opinions are meaningless.
So that would make yours..... End Quote.
Ah, you've used the stuff? Give all of us the benefit of your meaningful experience!
BITOG? Is that the site where one can get banned for expressing a negative opinion re sponsors?
Sorry, I didn't mean to insult the deep thinkers who have made intelligent posts on the previous couple of pages. Non of you guys (and gals?) sound like users to me.
Is that the best you can do?
quote:Originally posted by inHaliburton:quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
So send one. And to the FTC while you're at it.
Asking questions such as mine are far more effective IMHO. If someone had asked, it's quite possible we would of not gone on for 30 pages.
As I've said on the other board. No reasons to use it. Plenty not to.
Questions such as yours have been asked dozens of times in the past 30 pages. That's why this thread has now reached 31 pages. If you received favourable answers to your questions, would you use Synlube?
Really? 30 pages of asking what the HTHS is? So why haven't they been answered?
Instead of asking me if I would use it, a better question is why don't you? Strange that you defend a product you don't use.
quote:Originally posted by inHaliburton:
This may eventually prove to be the best stuff since sliced bread, but with virtually no testing results, API ratings on their product, and documentation except that on the Synlube site, I wouldn't put this stuff in my engine, even for nothing. Remember Slick 50?
So why are you defending it?
SynLube is since 1996 division of MIROX Corporation that should be no secret to anyone who claims to be able to find this and that:
Business Entity Information: MIROX CORPORATION
Status:
Active
File Date:
3/18/1996
Type:
Domestic Corporation
Entity Number:
C5949-1996
Qualifying State:
NV
List of Officers Due:
3/31/2011
Managed By:
Expiration Date:
NV Business ID:
NV19961097271
Business License Exp:
3/31/2011
As for Las Vegas Chamber of what ever, it is nothing more than a extortion organization thretening you with "bad" listings if you do not give them a check to be a "member in good standing" which costs MORE than all the Legally required filings by Clark County, or State of Nevada.
My personal conviction is not to deal with people that lie, cheat, steal, etc.
So when someone "extorts" money for what ever good reason, like 1" listing in a book that no one except paid for memebers see, that to me is totally useless.
As for all the data is is on the web so just take your time to look it up is shuld not be that hard that can see records that eve the State on Nevada has a problem having up to date
"LIKE ARE YOU COLOR BLIND ???"
Just in case you are this is on SOS web in BOLD RED - so for your convenience reprinted in BLACK
Important Notice: Entities with a January 2010 annual list due date whose lists were received by January 31, but have not yet been processed due to processing backlog, may show as in “Default” in the Business Entity Search until all January filings are processed. We expect completion of these filings by March 22nd.
Now that is for JANUARY, and MIROX is not due till 3/31/2011 - and only today it shows ACTIVE, they are that far behind in updating even the ELECTRONIC ENTRIES
Yes it take 15 seconds for your Credit Card to be charged by 3 months for the listing to be updated, go figure !!!
Government at supper efficiency now that you can file ON LINE, when it was paperwork it only took a two to three days !!!
Business Entity Information: MIROX CORPORATION
Status:
Active
File Date:
3/18/1996
Type:
Domestic Corporation
Entity Number:
C5949-1996
Qualifying State:
NV
List of Officers Due:
3/31/2011
Managed By:
Expiration Date:
NV Business ID:
NV19961097271
Business License Exp:
3/31/2011
As for Las Vegas Chamber of what ever, it is nothing more than a extortion organization thretening you with "bad" listings if you do not give them a check to be a "member in good standing" which costs MORE than all the Legally required filings by Clark County, or State of Nevada.
My personal conviction is not to deal with people that lie, cheat, steal, etc.
So when someone "extorts" money for what ever good reason, like 1" listing in a book that no one except paid for memebers see, that to me is totally useless.
As for all the data is is on the web so just take your time to look it up is shuld not be that hard that can see records that eve the State on Nevada has a problem having up to date
"LIKE ARE YOU COLOR BLIND ???"
Just in case you are this is on SOS web in BOLD RED - so for your convenience reprinted in BLACK
Important Notice: Entities with a January 2010 annual list due date whose lists were received by January 31, but have not yet been processed due to processing backlog, may show as in “Default” in the Business Entity Search until all January filings are processed. We expect completion of these filings by March 22nd.
Now that is for JANUARY, and MIROX is not due till 3/31/2011 - and only today it shows ACTIVE, they are that far behind in updating even the ELECTRONIC ENTRIES
Yes it take 15 seconds for your Credit Card to be charged by 3 months for the listing to be updated, go figure !!!
Government at supper efficiency now that you can file ON LINE, when it was paperwork it only took a two to three days !!!
Well I have just received this from one of our customers that defended SynLube on Bob the Oil Guy:
Now he is also accused to be me, just like about 5 other customers were, after all if you have a positive experience with SynLube, it can not be true:
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WOW this explains everything !!!
this is what I just got from BTOG from the "operator/owner":
"Synlube is not a sponsor. You have been pushing it and trying to sell it on my board and that can result in being banned. Each person has a right to their opinion concerning oils and can discuss them but you are going overboard. Do not make another post concerning Synlube.
Helen"
Just got this through the OIL GUY
Now it turns out, BOB is not a GUY but it is a HELEN - doubt a "man"
WHAT A FRAUD !!!
And they are picking on you - like you say - they would probably glorify SynLube if you'd offered bribes to them !
Steve
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PS: HELEN is identified as OPERATOR/OWNER of the BOB THE OIL GUY web !!!
Now he is also accused to be me, just like about 5 other customers were, after all if you have a positive experience with SynLube, it can not be true:
***
WOW this explains everything !!!
this is what I just got from BTOG from the "operator/owner":
"Synlube is not a sponsor. You have been pushing it and trying to sell it on my board and that can result in being banned. Each person has a right to their opinion concerning oils and can discuss them but you are going overboard. Do not make another post concerning Synlube.
Helen"
Just got this through the OIL GUY
Now it turns out, BOB is not a GUY but it is a HELEN - doubt a "man"
WHAT A FRAUD !!!
And they are picking on you - like you say - they would probably glorify SynLube if you'd offered bribes to them !
Steve
****
PS: HELEN is identified as OPERATOR/OWNER of the BOB THE OIL GUY web !!!
Better know all the facts before you jump on Helen.
BITOG was originally started by Bob Winter back in 2002, reference the name BOBISTHEOILGUY. Bob had a serious stroke sometime around 2004-2005 and sold the website to a long time friend named Tony. Tony passed away somewhere around 2008 and his wife Helen took over the website. So, there is nothing fishy about the website BITOG being owned by Helen.
So SHAME on you for trying to take a cheap shot at Helen.
BITOG was originally started by Bob Winter back in 2002, reference the name BOBISTHEOILGUY. Bob had a serious stroke sometime around 2004-2005 and sold the website to a long time friend named Tony. Tony passed away somewhere around 2008 and his wife Helen took over the website. So, there is nothing fishy about the website BITOG being owned by Helen.
So SHAME on you for trying to take a cheap shot at Helen.
I frequent BIOTG.
I'm glad Helen the owner of Bitog banned you, hopefully the shills will be banned too. It is clear how the product was being pushed, and questions people were asking about the product were being avoided. Then the insults, name calling, etc, surprised it lasted this long. It seems there was a lot of legal woes the Synlube company has. I see it as people watching out for one another.
Hopefully the mods here shut you down too, then you can go elsewhere to push product.
BTW anyone who frequents BITOG is aware that Helen owns the site, no new news there, no legal woes either. Cheers
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I'm glad Helen the owner of Bitog banned you, hopefully the shills will be banned too. It is clear how the product was being pushed, and questions people were asking about the product were being avoided. Then the insults, name calling, etc, surprised it lasted this long. It seems there was a lot of legal woes the Synlube company has. I see it as people watching out for one another.
Hopefully the mods here shut you down too, then you can go elsewhere to push product.
BTW anyone who frequents BITOG is aware that Helen owns the site, no new news there, no legal woes either. Cheers
AD
I would of never thought that you could be such a yakass Milo. but I was wrong.
It hasn't been a secret that Helen owns and operates the site. It also isn't a secret that keeping a recognized name is a well known practice.
For example, I place I used to eat at has kept the same name through four different owners. Hard to phantom for you, isn't it.
But in your world, I guess that Ford Motor Company is a fraud because it hasn't been owned by the Ford family since 1956?
That Chrysler hasn't been owned by that family for decades.
I could go on and on, but it would just fly over your head.
You deserved to be banned from BITOG. Pushing product on a site that you're too cheap to sponsor.
It hasn't been a secret that Helen owns and operates the site. It also isn't a secret that keeping a recognized name is a well known practice.
For example, I place I used to eat at has kept the same name through four different owners. Hard to phantom for you, isn't it.
But in your world, I guess that Ford Motor Company is a fraud because it hasn't been owned by the Ford family since 1956?
That Chrysler hasn't been owned by that family for decades.
I could go on and on, but it would just fly over your head.
You deserved to be banned from BITOG. Pushing product on a site that you're too cheap to sponsor.
Where on OIL GUY it says in PLAIN and VISIBLE English that Helen operates that site ?
Where is any e-mail to contact her ?
Where is the business address they operate from ?
Where is their business license, state permits or what ever, after all if she accepts (or more like demands) payment for sponsorship, it is a business, it has to be licensed, it has to have business bank account, and so on, like you fans do nto know that one ?
I have disclosed our licensing, so be so kind and do so for the BOB web, as Helen for sure will not do that, if she does I will appoligize in WRITING, but then there would have to be a mailing address too - I see none, but then when I look at it it requires LOG IN, since I am "banned" and you guys are not
SUPPLY THE REQUESTED INFORMATION or
Shut UP !!!
The ONLY thing on the sitre that is accessible is this - NO NAMES, NO ADDRESSES, NO BUSINESS PERMITS, NOTHING !!!
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The tremendous popularity of this web site comes at a price and we are fortunate to have sponsors who purchase advertising space on our forums, as well as corporate advertisers. Many of our members make regular monetary contributions to help defray the costs of keeping this resource online. When you visit the forums you will see special avatars beside many members' names in their posts. These avatars identify these members as site supporters and show the level of their support. You will also see corporate banner ads and we encourage you to click on those ads and support our corporate advertisers.
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Where is an Independently audited report available for a public view to support a FAKE claim that it is #1 web site ???
Show ME the evidence - since you are such good sherlocks !!!
Where is any e-mail to contact her ?
Where is the business address they operate from ?
Where is their business license, state permits or what ever, after all if she accepts (or more like demands) payment for sponsorship, it is a business, it has to be licensed, it has to have business bank account, and so on, like you fans do nto know that one ?
I have disclosed our licensing, so be so kind and do so for the BOB web, as Helen for sure will not do that, if she does I will appoligize in WRITING, but then there would have to be a mailing address too - I see none, but then when I look at it it requires LOG IN, since I am "banned" and you guys are not
SUPPLY THE REQUESTED INFORMATION or
Shut UP !!!
The ONLY thing on the sitre that is accessible is this - NO NAMES, NO ADDRESSES, NO BUSINESS PERMITS, NOTHING !!!
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Bob Is The Oil Guy (BITOG) began in May 2002 with a handful of participants and now our oil forums have over 30,000 registered members. And we have well-respected tribologists, chemists, and oil analysis professionals who regularly participate and contribute their knowledge and expertise.
Unlike most private motor oil web sites, Bob Is The Oil Guy is not about selling you something. It's about educating you so you can make informed decisions about the life blood of your engine: motor oil.
The tremendous popularity of this web site comes at a price and we are fortunate to have sponsors who purchase advertising space on our forums, as well as corporate advertisers. Many of our members make regular monetary contributions to help defray the costs of keeping this resource online. When you visit the forums you will see special avatars beside many members' names in their posts. These avatars identify these members as site supporters and show the level of their support. You will also see corporate banner ads and we encourage you to click on those ads and support our corporate advertisers.
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Where is an Independently audited report available for a public view to support a FAKE claim that it is #1 web site ???
Show ME the evidence - since you are such good sherlocks !!!
Very typical of a smoke and mirrors dance. Instead of whining here, why don't you ask her?
Speaking of information....
Where is the product data sheet for this lube of yours?
Speaking of information....
Where is the product data sheet for this lube of yours?
Miro: You have made a fool of yourself, and this sham of a company, on this board as well as BITOG.
All this info, and the way you have multiple identities, on this and other boards is available to see.
The only thing verifiable about Synlube is it has a 'Permanently Revoked' business license and is a scam/sham...
All we had to do was sit back and enjoy your epic failure.
All this info, and the way you have multiple identities, on this and other boards is available to see.
The only thing verifiable about Synlube is it has a 'Permanently Revoked' business license and is a scam/sham...
All we had to do was sit back and enjoy your epic failure.
quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:
I frequent BIOTG.
I'm glad Helen the owner of Bitog banned you, hopefully the shills will be banned too. It is clear how the product was being pushed, and questions people were asking about the product were being avoided. Then the insults, name calling, etc, surprised it lasted this long. It seems there was a lot of legal woes the Synlube company has. I see it as people watching out for one another.
Hopefully the mods here shut you down too, then you can go elsewhere to push product.
BTW anyone who frequents BITOG is aware that Helen owns the site, no new news there, no legal woes either. Cheers
AD
Wrong, not anyone or everyone who fequents "that" site is aware of the overall facts,or owner status,....same can be said of even synlube.
I will state that I found out over time about the owner of the "other site". So I was unaware for a stretch as well,it happens.
That site is not what it used to be it would seem. It has the mentality of play nice and everyone gets an "A",and wins,...or sit in the corner and shut-up!! I am not in kindergarten anylonger,... so why would I want to go back!!
I thought it was normal to question information,...but now when someone you don't agree with questions,....it's,"how dare they do that",...."why didn't they know this obvious information already"!!!
I am not banned from that site,nor should I be,..but I have found that the effort is rather futile to even "discuss" this product when the synlube users are the ones beign attacked there. The attackers are over the top with their dialog at times!! Can you say "Juvenile"?? It's a "boys" club!!
Moreover, we are now way off topic it would seem. The initial discussion was just a friendly,"hey check this out,look what I am using and it works".
I am a legitmate user of the product and it is very much doing what it states,as the other synlube users have found out over time.
If your skeptical,so be it. Use whatever you are using,this topic does not apply to the very skeptical folks anyway.
If your open minded, intersted in different,and innovative products(synlube is not new at this point),I "thought" I could bring to the table my real life experience with this product. I am a real person just like you!! Instead you attack me with name calling such as ,..."shill,...troll,...liar.scam,snake oil,lock him out,call the mods,etc", I get it,...your skeptical,...so was I at first. It happens!! Kill the messanger is your approach??
Anything that is new or different, human nature is incline to always attack,kill it!! This is scientific fact,the world over!! The first cars on the road were laughed at!! The first japenese cars were ridiculed and heavily mocked. Pc's were even shunned at first. I even get laughed at for taking vitamins by cigartte smokers who spend $5-6 grand a year on cigs.(they live at the doctors office,my cousin is one of them),.. Sound familiar to some of you!! I know I will get bashed for the cigarette thing,oh well,..I'll take my lumps!
Not every product is off the shelf,mainstream ,wally world made in china mass marketed designed.
A certain array of products and services are marketed and sold to a smaller group of people,...and or ,government,industry,military,etc.
Yes,you should "question with boldness",..but at some point,there are those like myself who have done a "reasonable" amount of research to be satisfied enough to actually at least try a product on a small scale with a decent level confidence. Some people are leading edge,what can I say!!
Even slick-50 with teflon(yes it still has teflon)(dupont being dropped),prolong,tufoil with teflon,and all the others that are on the walmart shelves. Why are these product on the shelves of walmart and elsewhere if they "blow up engines",.. cause any engine damage, excess wear,emission issues,warranty issues,etc. ,.. just to make point,..thats' all. The ftc,epa, would have pulled them by now,so there is at least no harm being done,..maybe even a benefit if used properly. I am sure there is some politics/lobbying and money invovled,... but they would have by now been pulled off the market! You decide!!
Some of you out there are acting as if someone were actually asking you to drink the synlube oil,..or give up a kidney or something!! It is non-toxic though,.....but I wouldn't reccomend it!!
It took me many years just to convince a few friends to use plain synthetic oil,.. with the rhetoric on this board sounding very familiar regarding synlube.
It was not until synthetic engine oil became mainstream and a freind finally tried mobil one,... and then amsoil in his slightty noisey chevy marine 350. This retired old fashioned marine mechanic finally realized the benefits of synthetic oil. I am now slowly proving to him the synlube product the same way I did with amsoil many years ago,it just takes time for some,...but he does't bash me for it! It took a while just to convince him the petro oil was inferior. He had to in the end,... "prove it to himself", to realize the synthetics are better.
In the end(after reasonable research), anyone willing,or just curious,and not too timid,.. has to try a new product....to prove it,....or disprove it,...because it works both ways gentlemen!!
You be the Judge!!
Mobil 1 0w-40 data
Viscosity, ASTM D 445
cSt @ 40º C 78.3
cSt @ 100º C 14
Sulfated Ash, wt%, ASTM D 874 1.2
Phosphorous 0.1
Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 230
Density @15º C kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.85
Total Base Number (TBN) 11.3
MRV at -40ºC 26242
Viscosity Index 186
HTHS Viscosity, mPa•s @ 150ºC, ASTM D 4683 3.7
Synlube is.....................?
Synlube stands accussed of the following:
1: Failure to back up extraordinary claims with extraordinary evidence.
2: Failure to answer potential customer concerns.
3: Dodging the issues brought forth by focusing on irrelevant side tracks.
4: Using sychophants to both push product and attack anyone who dares question them. Refer to count 1.
The finding is guilty on all counts.
It is the recommendation that no one of sound mind use this product.
Viscosity, ASTM D 445
cSt @ 40º C 78.3
cSt @ 100º C 14
Sulfated Ash, wt%, ASTM D 874 1.2
Phosphorous 0.1
Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 230
Density @15º C kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.85
Total Base Number (TBN) 11.3
MRV at -40ºC 26242
Viscosity Index 186
HTHS Viscosity, mPa•s @ 150ºC, ASTM D 4683 3.7
Synlube is.....................?
Synlube stands accussed of the following:
1: Failure to back up extraordinary claims with extraordinary evidence.
2: Failure to answer potential customer concerns.
3: Dodging the issues brought forth by focusing on irrelevant side tracks.
4: Using sychophants to both push product and attack anyone who dares question them. Refer to count 1.
The finding is guilty on all counts.
It is the recommendation that no one of sound mind use this product.
