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quote:Originally posted by vitual_mage:
Inhaliburton, you complaining as much ,acting like a teenager to and seems to have as much free time then everyone else.So before , posting your own opinion and your mighty judgment,realize at the end of the day you acting the same.
It just galls the boy that we don't take synlube cultists' word.
Haven't seen the links that show thsoe test result yet.
Another one of Trajan's meaningless blurbs:
Nobody cares what you negateers think. The guys of similar ilk to yourself contribute nothing. The stuff works as advertised as many users have indicated, and you guys have nothing that indicates that it does not perform as advertised. Show us all the seized-up engines. Show everyone the sludge buckets. There must be dozens, hundreds, thousands because the stuff doesn't work, right? The only thing you guys can produce are satisfied users. That's what burns you up.
Nor do you have any test results that you can bad mouth. Life's tough for you naysayer types. All you can do is whine for test results that you are never going to see. You keep saying that the stuff is no good. Show us your proof.
You want test results? Buy the stuff yourself and pay for your own testing, cheap guy.
quote:It just galls the boy that we don't take synlube cultists' word.Haven't seen the links that show thsoe test result yet.
Nobody cares what you negateers think. The guys of similar ilk to yourself contribute nothing. The stuff works as advertised as many users have indicated, and you guys have nothing that indicates that it does not perform as advertised. Show us all the seized-up engines. Show everyone the sludge buckets. There must be dozens, hundreds, thousands because the stuff doesn't work, right? The only thing you guys can produce are satisfied users. That's what burns you up.
Nor do you have any test results that you can bad mouth. Life's tough for you naysayer types. All you can do is whine for test results that you are never going to see. You keep saying that the stuff is no good. Show us your proof.
You want test results? Buy the stuff yourself and pay for your own testing, cheap guy.
http://lube4life.com/SynLubeLTT.htm
Some of the test summaries, with links to the pages that contain more detailed description.
Some of the test summaries, with links to the pages that contain more detailed description.
Not interested in cars that, as you say, are past their useful life.
So, where are the documents to the tests that synlube crows they passed?
You claim to pass them. Let's see them. No links to a suspect site.
So, where are the documents to the tests that synlube crows they passed?
You claim to pass them. Let's see them. No links to a suspect site.
Yes we are waiting your document as you said your product passed the test and i think you (Mr. Miro) knows all member in this forum waiting this document.
thanks,
enoch
thanks,
enoch
quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
Not interested in cars that, as you say, are past their useful life.
So, where are the documents to the tests that synlube crows they passed?
You claim to pass them. Let's see them. No links to a suspect site.
quote:Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:
Since 51 pages of arguments are not enough yet here is link to the about 2 more that will magincally clone to 60...
https://forums.noria.com/eve/fo...4995/m/190100014/p/2
Notice how all the negative naysayers fell silent with regard to all the issues with engine sludge using their beloved name brand oil.
Apparently...I must have asked too many hard core questions dealing with the facts!!!
You know what they say...........the truth hurts!!!
Produce the documents for the tests you bleat you passed.
Produce the documents that show that the engines of those class action suits you like to bring up sludged because of the oil and not faulty design.
HINT: No such suits were filed against the oil companies concerning Toyota/Mercedes/Saab/Chrysler sludge problems.
Yet another non synlubber: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/...wflat&Number=1846305
Produce the documents that show that the engines of those class action suits you like to bring up sludged because of the oil and not faulty design.
HINT: No such suits were filed against the oil companies concerning Toyota/Mercedes/Saab/Chrysler sludge problems.
Yet another non synlubber: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/...wflat&Number=1846305
How does a 5W50 get to be API SM ILSAC GF4. More false advertising??
There is no label on the back.
I guess they ran out of new Mobil 1 bottles, oh thats right they use used bottles, to put their doctored used oil in.
prove you don't or loose by default.
There is no label on the back.
I guess they ran out of new Mobil 1 bottles, oh thats right they use used bottles, to put their doctored used oil in.
prove you don't or loose by default.
quote:Originally posted by snakedoctor:
How does a 5W50 get to be API SM ILSAC GF4. More false advertising??
There is no label on the back.
I guess they ran out of new Mobil 1 bottles, oh thats right they use used bottles, to put their doctored used oil in.
prove you don't or loose by default.
Trajen/Snakedoctor......Looks to me like you have already purchased the Synlube oil... nice picture. How many bottles did you purchase and what cars did you install the lube in.
I don't use undocumented, untested, or unapproved oil in any of my vehicles.
And it is being analyzed and will be exposed for the fruad it is very soon.
And it is being analyzed and will be exposed for the fruad it is very soon.
quote:Originally posted by Captain Kirk:quote:Originally posted by snakedoctor:
How does a 5W50 get to be API SM ILSAC GF4. More false advertising??
There is no label on the back.
I guess they ran out of new Mobil 1 bottles, oh thats right they use used bottles, to put their doctored used oil in.
prove you don't or loose by default.
Trajen/Snakedoctor......Looks to me like you have already purchased the Synlube oil... nice picture. How many bottles did you purchase and what cars did you install the lube in.
Wrong again boy: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/...umber=1846428&page=9
Or are you going to accuse me of being TaterandNoodles as well?
quote:snakedoctor
OK Mr. Brent Olsen, it is amazing how nice you are on phone ordering SynLube for your lawn mover!
But of course you are free to do with the Oil what ever you wish.
Still however I seriously doubt that you have any understanding of Motor Oil Tests, such as engine tests that take from 40 to 500 hours, which of course is no problem for SynLube that lasts many times longer in service.
Chemical composition except for "free" phosporus is not any part of any performance specification or API or ILSAC "grading".
I really doubt that you will invest into ASTM D4951 to verify any $20 quickie test that has no colleration that was ever proven by anybody.
If such low cost tests were of any special value then they would be in use by the industry and not sold to amateurs with promisse of secret knowledge.
Or even ASTM D4951 would probably cost you more than the "lawn mover".
On the phone both in a message and talking to me personally you claimed that you could tell difference in the engine operation - to the better - was that a LIE ?
Just curious about how dishonest you really are !!!
Just in case you do not know it for your lawn mover there is only this procedure:
Small spark-ignition engines are regulated by 40 CFR Part 90, "Control of Emissions from Nonroad Spark-Ignition Engines at or below 19 kW." You should be able to get the certification data from the OEM and/or EPA and then just compare the Emissions with SynLube, the "useful life" is right there on the EPA tag, so you can prove to yourself very easily how much longer the lawn mover will last with SynLube and NO oil changes.
Since you have not purchased enough SynLube to fill up 1993 FORD V8 and 1996 General Motors Powertrain 3800 Series II - then you really can not do ILSAC GF-4 or API SM test...
Syn-cerely
Miro Kefurt
Well, where are the documents to the tests that synlube crows they passed?
You claim to pass them. Let's see them. No links to a suspect site.
Miro, if you read the link I provided, you would see that it was TnN who bought the stuff, the same guy you emailed the MSDS to. The one that was done by Mobil labs.
You claim to pass them. Let's see them. No links to a suspect site.
Miro, if you read the link I provided, you would see that it was TnN who bought the stuff, the same guy you emailed the MSDS to. The one that was done by Mobil labs.
Anyone who really needs to know can buy API 1509 and then you will understand what gets disclosed and to whom and when and under what conditions, that is if you are not too cheap to spend $127.00 on 8 years out of date document:
This publication describes the API Engine Oil Licensing and Certification System (EOLCS), a voluntary licensing and certification program designed to define, certify, and monitor engine oil performance deemed necessary for satisfactory equipment life and performance by vehicle and engine manufacturers. Engine oil marketers that meet EOLCS requirements may be licensed to display two Marks, the API Service Symbol and the API Certification Mark.
Sections 2 through 6 of this publication define the current API engine oil service categories and explain the EOLCS licensing requirements, the API Marks and their use, and the EOLCS Aftermarket Audit Program. Appendices A through Q provide a brief history of engine oil classifications, describe methods for developing new engine oil performance requirements, and explain the interaction and roles of the vari- ous independent organizations that are part of the API EOLCS.
API 1509 - Complete Document
Revision / Edition: 15 Chg: Date: 04/00/02
ENGINE OIL LICENSING AND CERTIFICATION SYSTEM
Comments: FIFTEENTH EDITION * C150915 * ORDER BINDER AT N/C
Superseding Document:
Page Count: 72
In Stock: Yes
Hardcopy Price: $ 127.00
First of all neither ILSAC or API tests any "licensed" products, they only SELL you the "license" to use the two marks on the BACK LABEL. Out of over 5,000 "licensed" motor oils only few hundred at most get "tested" and even under that program 10 to 15% of the oils examined DO NOT meet the specifications on the lables - and the OFFENDING BIG OIL COMPANIES are not disclosed by API !!!
So the "monitoring" system for which a small compnay like ours has to pay $63,000 to $66,000 annually can not even be used to demonstrate that BIG OIL is selling "crap" - API protects their identity !!!
System where the FOX is guarding the chickens, and the chickens pay for the privilege of being eaten by the other Foxes - really reliable and just system !!!
Since 98% of motoring public and over 80% of fleet managers have no idea what API ratings are it is not cost effective to spend over $63,000 annually to have "license" to display two marks on BACK LABEL.
Our customers simply do not care and prefer to save the avereage $1.00 per Liter.
Also our fleet customers prefer to return the empty bottles for re-fill and thus save another $2.00 per liter in the process.
New customers always get NEW bottles, unless they request the re-used bottles.
Some of the bottles make 26 to 32 round trips before they get rejected due to aging of the plastic, that is lot of "trash" that does not end up in land fills - almost 18,000 to 20,000 bottles annually.
When we say we are environmentally correct Company we really mean it.
On the other hand if you wish to spend $90 extra for 24 Carat Gold plated can that has certified storage life of 25 years, we have that as well - and guess who buys it that way with your tax money !!!
And no the $90 can can not be reused as you have to puncture it to open it, again Government efficiency at work - are you not glad to know where your tax money goes ?
This publication describes the API Engine Oil Licensing and Certification System (EOLCS), a voluntary licensing and certification program designed to define, certify, and monitor engine oil performance deemed necessary for satisfactory equipment life and performance by vehicle and engine manufacturers. Engine oil marketers that meet EOLCS requirements may be licensed to display two Marks, the API Service Symbol and the API Certification Mark.
Sections 2 through 6 of this publication define the current API engine oil service categories and explain the EOLCS licensing requirements, the API Marks and their use, and the EOLCS Aftermarket Audit Program. Appendices A through Q provide a brief history of engine oil classifications, describe methods for developing new engine oil performance requirements, and explain the interaction and roles of the vari- ous independent organizations that are part of the API EOLCS.
API 1509 - Complete Document
Revision / Edition: 15 Chg: Date: 04/00/02
ENGINE OIL LICENSING AND CERTIFICATION SYSTEM
Comments: FIFTEENTH EDITION * C150915 * ORDER BINDER AT N/C
Superseding Document:
Page Count: 72
In Stock: Yes
Hardcopy Price: $ 127.00
First of all neither ILSAC or API tests any "licensed" products, they only SELL you the "license" to use the two marks on the BACK LABEL. Out of over 5,000 "licensed" motor oils only few hundred at most get "tested" and even under that program 10 to 15% of the oils examined DO NOT meet the specifications on the lables - and the OFFENDING BIG OIL COMPANIES are not disclosed by API !!!
So the "monitoring" system for which a small compnay like ours has to pay $63,000 to $66,000 annually can not even be used to demonstrate that BIG OIL is selling "crap" - API protects their identity !!!
System where the FOX is guarding the chickens, and the chickens pay for the privilege of being eaten by the other Foxes - really reliable and just system !!!
Since 98% of motoring public and over 80% of fleet managers have no idea what API ratings are it is not cost effective to spend over $63,000 annually to have "license" to display two marks on BACK LABEL.
Our customers simply do not care and prefer to save the avereage $1.00 per Liter.
Also our fleet customers prefer to return the empty bottles for re-fill and thus save another $2.00 per liter in the process.
New customers always get NEW bottles, unless they request the re-used bottles.
Some of the bottles make 26 to 32 round trips before they get rejected due to aging of the plastic, that is lot of "trash" that does not end up in land fills - almost 18,000 to 20,000 bottles annually.
When we say we are environmentally correct Company we really mean it.
On the other hand if you wish to spend $90 extra for 24 Carat Gold plated can that has certified storage life of 25 years, we have that as well - and guess who buys it that way with your tax money !!!
And no the $90 can can not be reused as you have to puncture it to open it, again Government efficiency at work - are you not glad to know where your tax money goes ?
quote:Originally posted by snakedoctor:
How does a 5W50 get to be API SM ILSAC GF4. More false advertising??
There is no label on the back.
I guess they ran out of new Mobil 1 bottles, oh thats right they use used bottles, to put their doctored used oil in.
prove you don't or loose by default.
Hey Trojan/Snakedoctor,
Congrats. You saw the light. Now, after you drive 50 to 100 k miles, do the tests you and the other negateers have been whining for the past 6 years, and let us all know the results, okay? No cheating now, you rascal(s)!!!!!
quote:Originally posted by snakedoctor:
I don't use undocumented, untested, or unapproved oil in any of my vehicles.
And it is being analyzed and will be exposed for the fruad it is very soon.
Oh come on, we know when you are shuckin' and jivin' us around. Level with us, pleeeeze?
where are the documents to the tests that synlube crows they passed?
You claim to pass them. Let's see them. No links to a suspect site.
You claim to pass them. Let's see them. No links to a suspect site.
quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
where are the documents to the tests that synlube crows they passed?
You claim to pass them. Let's see them. No links to a suspect site.
Trajen....I noticed you spend more time discussing Synlube then anyone else on these boards based on all your posts on Noria and Bobs' place. Why?? You have the record on that one and it's growing...............and you have never even tried or used the product. Bravo!!!! You must really hate Synlube on some personal level......it shows big time!!!!!!!!!!
I also noticed you spent more time then even I did doing all the sludge research online.....wow....that was great!!!!
Remember when I first mentioned the issue of sludge you denied it totally....I remember and so do the posts that still exists when you denied the issue. Your denial sure has changed based on all your posts relating to the research you did on sludge and then posting it to boot. You did a nice job of proving me correct on that topic and acknowledging the issue.
So far Trajen......you keep proving me to be correct. Do you even realize that???
We are now wondering how you can state that the entire world is now producing defective engines. That's a good one!!!
Is your claim based on the fact that the class action lawsuits and the respective lawyers have determined it is easier to sue a car maker vs Big Oil. That's always a lawyers strategy....to sue the easiest target....not necessarily the guiltiest....ask any lawyer.....that's a no- brainer!!!
You act like the car maker was the one who blended the oil that went into the engines....that would be a different story.
The bottom line.....the mass scale sludge ONLY occurs with retail bulk oil....... period!!!!! That is all the proof anyone would ever need.....that's all I ever needed!!
I am not taking any sides here, but Capt. Kirk, you are so fond of "bulk oil sludge", why don't you ask the large OTR trucking fleets to use your "synlube". These trucks do 150K a year! If that truck is down for maintenance, the company/driver is losing money. If there was a product that could save them downtime, they would be jumping all over it. Truth is, Heavy Duty diesel engines are designed for abuse, long OCI's and minimum downtime. The mechanics are going to use the cheapest "bulk" oil and service them at the longest interval.
If this synlube was worth a hoot, there would be many links, besides the frontpage 98 with the "dashboard" theme, that looks amateurish.
Miro needs to take his meds, I don't think the Gov't would want oil in a gold plated can. They go for the low bid. I know, I work in government. Low bid wins.
I hear crickets....
Dave
If this synlube was worth a hoot, there would be many links, besides the frontpage 98 with the "dashboard" theme, that looks amateurish.
Miro needs to take his meds, I don't think the Gov't would want oil in a gold plated can. They go for the low bid. I know, I work in government. Low bid wins.
I hear crickets....
Dave
