Synlube

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Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:

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It’s a jeep thing you wouldn’t understand.

Jeep Wrangler
Segment: SUV
CR Predicted Reliability Score: Poor
CR Value Score: Rated among the worst in overall value (Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara)
CR Safety Score: Not rated among the worst in overall safety performance
CR Overall Score: 17 out of 100
J.D. Power Dependability Score: 2 out of 5 Power Circles
MSRP: $21,915


I certainly don't !!!!

I wont play your little retarded data game, I can post tons of data saying otherwise to ,even if I was to drive over a yugo in front of you, your crazy mind would not acknowledge it. Live in your post soviet era; ill live in my post American one. I would still like to see a tatra run over a yugo .

People complaining about the jeep are soccer moms thinking buying a suv. The jk is an open body vehicle body on frame with solid axle; made for off road and quite good at it.

Do a little research, you might realize the jeep and off road community is fantastic, unlike most of people they use the full potential of their rig, posses probably the best fab worker around.

http://www.riverraider.com/[/url]

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I wont play your little retarded data game,

The last time I checked the real world.........DATA is what it's all about.

The last time I was in College......same thing.... DATA=INFO

DATA=FACTS PERIOD

You guys keep asking for info/data,the facts.etc., and then when you get the info you have been asking for in all forms....it's as you say ......"retarded" ??????

Unless you admiting you are Miro stay quiet , i wasnt talking with you.

Now all that posting was a complete waste of bandwidth. Nothing of any importance in there. Just the same old tired gobbledygook. Kirk you are wasting your time. There will be no victims of this scam found here. Go peddle syncrap some where else. At first this was intertaining. Its not even that anymore. its insulting to anyone who has a functioninng brain.

I enjoyed his rant about ODB II and how the engines and vehicles won't last, especially late model cars. It was painful to read so I might not be spot on with details, a quick glance was all his writing got.

I would love to hear Miro and his alter egos explain the Ford Crown Vics used by Taxi companies with all the miles on them, or the Police Cars still in service. Everything this guy says is meaningless, and a waste. But like a bad accident you have to look.

AD

Here's some data for ya:

Jeeps: First civilian model in 1945. Still in production.

Yugos: Not even a blip on the radar.

Shell, Mobil, Pennzoil, QuakerState have API certs.

Synlube does not.

Synlube is not on any car makers approved use list.

These are reasons not to use syncrap as posted on another forum.

1.No office or offices and avoiding anyone who wants to see their office even going so far as to say it is located on a secret government base
2.Selling oil to customers out of the trunk in a parking lot
3.Selling oil in used bottles
4.Selling Delvac 1 with original seals removed and new seals added
5.Belligerant to potential customers on forums
6.Unwilling to provide any data, such as VOA
7.MSDS sheet with different companies names on it
8.Pictures of models with exotic cars on their website with false names and long stories about how they use it in their car
9.Buys back used oil for reuse
10.Permanently revoked business license in Nevada
11.Wildly variable data from VOAs not supplied by the company
12.Posting the real names on forums of customers who are critical of the company
13.Saying that oil pressure is not important and that it is the solids that do the lubricating

Code:

Tater-n Budman
-Noodles

19k miles
VOA UOA UOA-VOA
FE 5 166 161
CR <1 3 >2
NI <1 2 >1
AL 2 39 37
PB <1 2 >1
ZN 588 588 0
CU <1 44 >44
SN <1 1 >0
AG <1 <1 >0
TI <1 <1 >0
SI 10 44 34
B 37 15 -22
NA 9 62 53


Miro, can you explain how your oil has an IRON reading of 5 from the VOA on Synlube, and then at 19,000 miles from a sample taken by Budman who got a UOA done it had an IRON reading of 166

If Budman runs this oil out to 50,000 miles or more then is it safe to say that he could have an iron reading of well over 200

Are you going to tell us that all of this iron floating around in his oil will not damage anything inside of the engine.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt in saying that the iron reading of 166 would mean more if Budman got a Particle Count Test because we really do not know the micron size of all of the iron particles from Budman's UOA.

Maybe the particles of iron are in the 5 micron range or less, how efficient is your oil filter that you sell, is it like 50% at 5 microns.

Miro, I am trying to be open minded with this UOA since I do not see a Particle Count Test, what is your take on this Iron Reading.

Give him time to come up with a good one. Remember Synlube is such an advanced high tech oil that no company can run a proper analysis on it. Oh the engine must have had that iron, from prior oil used, Synlube removed it. Wait, wait, those iron particles are sub-atomic and are meaningless. That isn't iron its FEee2.

Lets see what he comes up with.

AD

Ealier, 69 ppm iron was sacrificial.

So Budmans "lube" had none of the critical sacrificial component?


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Particle count may surprice, an ICP is good, reliably, for 7-8 microns max. After that, partial combustion and thus false low readings.

RDE is better, and more expensive tha ICP at finding all particle sizes.

Aslso, most ICPs have an absolute limit around 10 PPM. Any bigger and it won't even go into the machine. I have sent samples with visible debris and gotten sat ICPs

Gott to do other work to see it all.

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Originally posted by ADFD1:
Give him time to come up with a good one. Remember Synlube is such an advanced high tech oil that no company can run a proper analysis on it. Oh the engine must have had that iron, from prior oil used, Synlube removed it. Wait, wait, those iron particles are sub-atomic and are meaningless. That isn't iron its FEee2.

Lets see what he comes up with.

AD

AD, I believe Budman dumped the Factory Fill Oil on this engine when it had less than 1000 miles on it, at that time he started using Synlube, I believe his vehicle is only about 2 years old, so this is not a case where someone used some other brand of oil for thousands of miles.

I am sure Miro will be able to explain the so called high Iron readings for us here, I hope he is not going to blame it on a bad engine design.

Well if I was Miro/Kirk/jonny-b here's what I would say. The engine is still breaking in, shedding metals!

AD

no, No, No.

The "lube" is so smart that it realizes that miro left out it's sacrificial iron and it is dosing itself so it can do its job.

sacrificial iron.....makes my sides hurt.

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Miro, can you explain how your oil has an IRON reading of 5 from the VOA on Synlube, and then at 19,000 miles from a sample taken by Budman who got a UOA done it had an IRON reading of 166

You would have to tell me who Budman is and what vehicle it is from - If I think who it is then he has 3 cars, 2 new and one used when converted.

No one sent me a direct e-mail with any oil analysis - so I have not seen who, where and when did this.

And ADD OIL if it has been used has lot more Fe in it than INITIAL FILL.

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Originally posted by Trajan:
Project Description: SynLube Lubricants Long Term Test

AAA Project Identification Number: 81

Project Number: 2002-0317-1

Where is it? Post a direct link or the doc itself so we can all read it.

Well?

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Maybe the particles of iron are in the 5 micron range or less, how efficient is your oil filter that you sell, is it like 50% at 5 microns.

We have 57 different oil filters made for us by 5 different manufacturers as we do NOT make any filters. They have microglass or stratapore media and normally they are filtering down to 5 microns - it is in 95% to 98% range and 99% for over 10 micron particles.

However without knowing who it is and what vehicle, I have no idea which filter is used and also if the FILTERMAG has been installed.

even 200 PPM Fe is nothing to worry about if you do not see any particles in the sample for that 400X microscope has to be useed and in variable magnetic field to see if there are any.

Normal "lab" does not even look at the Oil Sample.

Only 3 more future samples will determine trend as also from the data there has not been any Oil Sample takes at about few hours after the Installation to see what the FRESH OIL mixed with, nor the Sample of the USED OIL Drained prior conversion.

It is totally silly to assume that "all the old oil was "perfect"" and that everything drains out !

Some OEM have both DRY and WET oil change specs, for both Engines and ATF and in some cases like few TOYOTA 1.5 quart of the "old" oil stays behind.

Again people do NOT do all the proper steps for Analysis to be of a statistically significiant.

VOA
Drained OIL
Fresh oil after short time of installation
Sample 1
Sample 2

This is the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM before you can analyze any data with any confidence that is more than a coin toss (50%) accurate.

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Originally posted by Trajan:

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Originally posted by Trajan:
Project Description: SynLube Lubricants Long Term Test

AAA Project Identification Number: 81

Project Number: 2002-0317-1

Where is it? Post a direct link or the doc itself so we can all read it.

Well?

Still dodging I see.

This may be of interest too:

http://www.machinerylubricatio...1384/ferrous-density

And finally DO NOT forget to send the SAME SAMPLE to the SAME LAB about week or two latter, that will indicate repeatability and accuracy, without that, no matter what the numbers are they are noise.

And I do not care if they are "bad" or "good" it is still scientifically insignificiant.

I think I have posted here more than once what needs to be done so you can "trust" VOA/UOA Data.

SO no need to repeat it, just go back in the thread to it.

But both the Repeatability and Accuracy are big issues - and unless you know what they are, you can not conclude much be it "good" or "bad", but if done properly you will spend even when SynLube is used MORE than the value of the lubricant.

NO OEM be it Light Duty or Heavy Duty engine will do anything under Warranty based on UOA results, that is because they are that "unreliable". People tried that with VW, SATURN, now HONDA (mostly due to high oil consumption) and all were told to get lost, and just pour in more oil !!!

PS: The Fe in INITIAL FILL should be about 50 PPM and not 7

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vitual_mage

The point was that no matter how much you think about your ride or how many other fanatics are there, there always are "experts" and "authorities" that will with confidence in magazine like FORBES declare it as "junk" and have data from RL Polk, JD Power and IIHS to prove it.

Not any different than opinions people have about YUGO, SMART, MINI, SATURN, and so on.

There always are people who never owned the vehicle they comment on since it is such a dog that they would not be caught dead driving it !!!

But of course they are full of comments and second or third hand knowledge about how unsafe, poor quality, poor value, unreliable they are.

Not trying to prove anything about JEEP just copy and paste "opinion" from a reliable and trusted source - that's ALL....

But then it is a JEEP thing, and I would think you'd understand, but apparently not........

Opinions about YUGO, JEEP and SynLube are just that, and ALL of them are propagated by those who have NO EXPERIENCE - that was the purpose of the "example" (JEEP WRANGLER)

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People complaining about the jeep are soccer moms thinking buying a suv.

The lagrest NEW VEHICLE Consumer Group - they influence 72% of vehicle purchases !!!

Is USA not a country where the majority WINS ?

And the majority does not or never bought JEEPS, the closest they get is a PICK-UP Truck !!!

Check the sales numbers...

But again it does not mean that there are fanatics that like rain, wind noise, danger, on and on - so JEEP is perfect for them and if that is not insane enough to drive in city then a Harley for sure will fill the ticket !!!

So you admit you are member of a "fringe" do not think the "majority" is right ?

Why then do you not display tollerance and understanding toward other members of other "fringe" groups or clans ?

PS: A garbage collection truck can run over your Jeep any day, does that make it a superior choice for city transport ?