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All,

Does anyone know what the lubricant brand can change the almost of kluber products?

Thanks for your kind help in advance.

Ted
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It is a really hard to reply question.
Kluber is a highly specialized lubricant maker, and his quality is superb.
I think that none of the lubricant makers not even the biggest ones, has a catalogue matched to Kluber... there are some cross reference tables across the internet, but i think that you will have to compare many brands to find the one that matches kluber tightly. In my opinion In my opinion the ones with the biggest catalogues are Mobil, Fuchs and Shell. I hope that somebody else reads your message and gives you clearer information than mine.
Hi, I would sugest you look at the Fuchs Lubritech range of products. Previously they struggled to find an answer to Klubers high speed products but this has now been attended to. Their range is by far one of the widest.

Good luck

Spencer Henderson
Hi Tedy,
I would be happy to put you in contact with someone who can help you with all crossovers. I personally deal with service of the Ceplattyn products for open gears, and other related Lubritech products. Feel free to email me at hkline@fuchs.com
Hi Tedy,

You can look at products from Carl Bechem, Germany which is 170 Years Old speciality Lubricant Company and you can get almost all the replacement for Kluber. I myself have worked for Carl Bechem as well as Tribol and Optimol. You can visit on www.bechem.de for the details of the products. Also you are most welcome to contact me on milind@hitechgroupindia.com for any further information. Please find attached the catalogue from Carl Bechem.
Hi Tedy,
Though i work for a diffrent specialty Lubricant company i have very high regards for Kluber products, No Doubt they are Good. Finding replacement should be based on application and not by mere comparison of specifications, There has been many cases where spec matching products does not perform equally. My suggestion would be dont go by cross reference alone. selection of product should be based on application. Did you try Omega Lubricants? go through thier website www.magnagroup.com
Collins David
collinsdavid5@gmail.com
Hi tedy

We have just finished comparitive testing of polyfluoro greases,
The "normal" (Barrietta, Inertox, Krytox Turnotemp Gleitmo Castrol and others) all teflon thickened all failed about 350 °C
The clear winner was the J&M Specialized Products, the grease went to 500°C and was still a NLGI 2-3 consistancy, the grease was next taken up to 800°C and the fluid vaporised off leaving a free flowing white powder, with no fusing into solid agglomerations, the powder can provide lubrication opposing wear surfaces.

Feel free to email if further info of use lab@rttech.com.au

Regards Rob S
Hi Tedy,

I agree with Collins. There are many good and cheaper lubricant around for every application. But to have a good lubrication program needs not only right product but also right volume and frequency. Maintaining the optimum level of lubricant is the best to attain L10 of the bearing.

Regards,
Danny

quote:
Originally posted by Collins David:
Hi Tedy,
Though i work for a diffrent specialty Lubricant company i have very high regards for Kluber products, No Doubt they are Good. Finding replacement should be based on application and not by mere comparison of specifications, There has been many cases where spec matching products does not perform equally. My suggestion would be dont go by cross reference alone. selection of product should be based on application. Did you try Omega Lubricants? go through thier website www.magnagroup.com
Collins David
collinsdavid5@gmail.com
Well depends, if you are specific on applications. For casters in steel mills, we have successfully replaced Klueber Stabutherm GH461 with Molykote G-0106 Sitela 1 and with successful results in last 2 years. In Motors we replaced a Klueber grease with Molykote G-0100. Again succesfully running for over a year at a steel mill.

Sometime Klueber has products that we find are over qualified for specific application (or are recommended accordingly!). As a distributor for specialty lubricant offcourse this is an interesting market for us but before a change recommendation, the application area is studied to understand the temperature, environment, speeds, load conditions, etc. A shortlist is made and based on some precedence or experience with a similar application in the past, we have often made recommendation for a changeover either for considerations of getting something more competitive or sometimes better result itself (like a grease for a pump bearing where we, i think gave a relube interval of 1 month versus a klueber relube interval of 21 days).

As i said, these are specific examples I can share from my experience.

BTW: why are looking for the change - availability issues, prices, service ??

I think you could also refer to the machine manufacturer for an alternative suggestion if the machine is under warranty or otherwise. There are over a hundred brands available and most OEms do give atleast 5-6 options for a suggested lubricant brand.
Gents,

Between BP products, 5 brands included, you should be able to find all you need to replace Kluber. Specially amoung Optimol; Tribol and Tribol Molub Alloy.

If you need help, e-mail me.
I am aware of products that perform as well if not better that some Kluber products.
The company who manufactures these products is able to supply extreme performance greases and industrial power transmission oils.
In direct comparison between products recomended, the J&M products outperformed the so called equivalent Kluber product by at least 5 fold.
In an industrial application, where the Kluber product failed within 3-4 months, the J&M product lasted well over 5 years, without change or need to have replacemnt of the lube.
Hope that info is useful.
HI TEDY

i find some lubricants to interchange the kluber brand with dow corning but first you need to cheek the tecnical data sheet, the aplication. check the site :www.molykote.com

good luck
Hi guys!, Have you heard about Brugarolas, Spain?

As I can see, This is the only one company that manufactures greases and oils who can match the kluber products in quality and performance.

Gil
quote:
Originally posted by rttech:
Hi tedy

We have just finished comparitive testing of polyfluoro greases,
The "normal" (Barrietta, Inertox, Krytox Turnotemp Gleitmo Castrol and others) all teflon thickened all failed about 350 °C
The clear winner was the J&M Specialized Products, the grease went to 500°C and was still a NLGI 2-3 consistancy, the grease was next taken up to 800°C and the fluid vaporised off leaving a free flowing white powder, with no fusing into solid agglomerations, the powder can provide lubrication opposing wear surfaces.

Feel free to email if further info of use lab@rttech.com.au

Regards Rob S
Hi, "Special Lubricants don´t have interchange guide", there are many company who have excellents products, but no have direct interchange, a specialist of lubricants need to study of mechanical conditions of the elements that be to lubricats (RPM, Charge, °C, External influence, etc..) and then recommend a lubricant, I repeat there are many company with good lubricants (Klueber, Molykote, Optimol, Beschem, Chevron, Fuchs, etc...) but the difficult is make a good recomendation.
The question about existence of an equivalent against some Kluber products is misleading.
Unless a supplier has the exact same formulation and raw material source, no one can make claims as being "equivalent" to Kluber product.
In High performance greases, where long life expentancy and heat stability is required to match the Kluber Barrietta L55, products from J&M Specialized Products in Australia can match and outperform the L55 greases especially in heat tolerance and lubricating load bearing capability.
Hope that this helps
Hi, I am aware of products that compete against the worlds best.
Products made by J&M Specialized Products Australia have lubricating greases that outperform all products with heat stability, lubricating and load carrying ability.
Products survive most hostile heat conditions and do not Carbonise or produce decomposition products that will eventually lock up bearings or close fitting components.
Comparative tests were done in controlled conditions by R&T Technologies Laboratory Australia, and who can verifyjandm@blue1000.com.au such claims.
There are many equivalents for Kluber depends on the application as Mr. Collins mentioned.

If you mentioned the application or the product name you use in kluber I can send you equivalent from Omega.
quote:
Originally posted by Satish Agrawal:
Well depends, if you are specific on applications. For casters in steel mills, we have successfully replaced Klueber Stabutherm GH461 with Molykote G-0106 Sitela 1 and with successful results in last 2 years. In Motors we replaced a Klueber grease with Molykote G-0100. Again succesfully running for over a year at a steel mill.

Sometime Klueber has products that we find are over qualified for specific application (or are recommended accordingly!). As a distributor for specialty lubricant offcourse this is an interesting market for us but before a change recommendation, the application area is studied to understand the temperature, environment, speeds, load conditions, etc. A shortlist is made and based on some precedence or experience with a similar application in the past, we have often made recommendation for a changeover either for considerations of getting something more competitive or sometimes better result itself (like a grease for a pump bearing where we, i think gave a relube interval of 1 month versus a klueber relube interval of 21 days).

As i said, these are specific examples I can share from my experience.

BTW: why are looking for the change - availability issues, prices, service ??

I think you could also refer to the machine manufacturer for an alternative suggestion if the machine is under warranty or otherwise. There are over a hundred brands available and most OEms do give atleast 5-6 options for a suggested lubricant brand.


Dear Mr. Satish- Please check www.fuchs-lubritech.de
quote:
Originally posted by Tedy:
All,

Does anyone know what the lubricant brand can change the almost of kluber products?

Thanks for your kind help in advance.

Ted


Hi Ted,

Please check the HUSKEY Specialty Lubricants at www.huskey.com
I have successfully replacement the Kluber products by Huskey in Russia. Another option are Molykote products, but more expensive.

Good luck,
quote:
jandm@blue1000.com.au


As I follow your opinions and recomendadtions on Noria forum, all you have very deep experineces about special lubricants and greases.



Usually customer use a product with a white appereance ( diluted 1 to 6 ratio with water ).

We try to find a good alternatife to this product to sell to all skin manufacturers.

If you have any experinces about this kind of products, could you please kindly try to help us.
Dear Ted

Pls go trough website of Car bechem Lubricants. Many of Kluber products have been successfully been replaced with this brand already.

For further details please feel free to contact .

regards
Rajesh
After one year of many replies, the answer is: No one has the same program than Kluber.
We know what you are suffering: Many productos, one for each application, difficult availability, expensive, and borderline performance. Sometimes OEM approvals rule, or scare of changes.

Serch for products that are more versatile for covering different kluber applications with one lubricant, and at a reasonable price. Those are out there available for you.
Ted,
there is a lot of products and brands out in the market, this guys here one way or the other is connected with them and even myself included Smile. and i dont believe that there is no product equivalent to kluber or omega, or BP , because the raw materials being used in blending with this products are available it is just a matter breaking down it into base oil and thickener, addtives , etc., unless otherwise kluber is made from mars and the raw materials are not of this earth Smile. Mr. collins speaks the truth, look for the application (where u want to use it), and the specifications, then ask yourself if u have the buying power to use such a product., peace guys. -A. Romarate- (previously: schaeffer/omega/molykote)
quote:
Originally posted by Tedy:
All,

Does anyone know what the lubricant brand can change the almost of kluber products?

Thanks for your kind help in advance.

Ted


Dear All,

Please try a new company Elba Lubrication USA. Elba has products against Kluber.

its www.elba-lubes.com
quote:
Originally posted by Tedy:
All,

Does anyone know what the lubricant brand can change the almost of kluber products?

Thanks for your kind help in advance.

Ted


Only Elba Lubrication Inc can provide lubricants against Kluber
We distribute Elkalub lubricants from Chemie-Technik GmbH. I have on hand a fairly large cross reference excel document showing all of the brand of lubricants we can replace safely. The current list I posses is lengthy and products are being added all of the time. Many of our customers so far have came over from companies like Kluber, Fuchs and others. There are literally too many to list here in this forum but I would be happy to help you out. Chemie-Technik has been in business in Germany for over 50 years and quickly rising up the ladder across the world. We supply to many large companies such as Manroland, Bosch and more. We are a newer company in the States and are the only authorized distributor of Elkalub


www.adhplubricantsusa.com

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Originally posted by Tedy:
All,

Does anyone know what the lubricant brand can change the almost of kluber products?

Thanks for your kind help in advance.

Ted


Please check with Elba Lubrication Inc USA,they have all products against Kluber
www.elba-lubes.com
The Kluber Lubricants are one of the most eficiency product on market. It is hard to geat an equivalent product. If I were you, I should look for a partner that develop some products by aplication, not by brand!

The Mobil Lubricants can help you on that, if you want e-mail me.
I think we have used Elba Lubrication Inc.
They have lots of oil and greases against Kluber
Elba vs. Kluber. I must say Elba has complete oil range against Kluber.
elba-lubes.com

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