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Specifications of Hydraulic Oil.

V vsdaveLevel 3 - 101 to 250 posts
We have to clean the oil of Hydraulic System for the submarine where special oil is used. it is refered as PIGCAL - ( OR PIGCOL - 89 )Probably it is manufactured by Chevron.
Has any one any idea about this oil and its specifications ? Will it be comatibal with standards seals used in the filtration trolley ? Of course if the specifications are available I can easily check with filter system manufacturer.
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H hawkMember
Mr. V.S. Dave
If you are in India, then your manufacturer would be Caltex. an affiliate of Chevron and Texaco in the Asia Pacific area.
I'm with Texaco U.S. I checked with our people at caltex on you product description. They don't recognize it.
What specific hydraulic system is this fluid in? What does it do?
As Caltex is a joint venture between Chevron and Texaco, Their oils are called DELO and their hydraulic oils are call RANDO with the number values after the name. We have nothing that starts with PIG. This may be an abbreviation for the constituents within the product, however we have nothing that matches.
V vsdaveLevel 3 - 101 to 250 posts
Dear Mr. Hawk

Thks for your feed back.

I was informed that PEGCAL ( PEGCOL ? ) - 89 is Organic Solvant based Hydraulic Fluid and is Glycerine based.
This Oil is used in submarine application.
Could you please let me know if you have any information and specifications of such Oil. - May not be PEGCAL - 89 but at least for Submarine application.

i will be thank full to you if you can reply on this message board and also send me an E mail on my ID zankruti@mtnl.net.in

With best regards.

V.S.Dave

quote:
Originally posted by Hawk:
Mr. V.S. Dave
If you are in India, then your manufacturer would be Caltex. an affiliate of Chevron and Texaco in the Asia Pacific area.
I'm with Texaco U.S. I checked with our people at caltex on you product description. They don't recognize it.
What specific hydraulic system is this fluid in? What does it do?
As Caltex is a joint venture between Chevron and Texaco, Their oils are called DELO and their hydraulic oils are call RANDO with the number values after the name. We have nothing that starts with PIG. This may be an abbreviation for the constituents within the product, however we have nothing that matches.
H hawkMember
So far nothing on "Glycerine" based Hydraulic fluids. However your callout of "Submarine" operations, and a fear of possible detremental effect on seals within your filtration appratus leads me to believe you may have a "Phosphate Ester Fire Resistant Fluid" Below I have attached an excerpt on this fluid used in the U.S> Navy.
http://www.tpub.com/content/engine/14105/css/14105_39.htm


Phosphate Ester Fire-Resistant Fluid
Phosphate ester fire-resistant fluid for shipboard use is covered by specification MIL- H-19457. There are certain trade names closely associated with these fluids. However, the only acceptable fluids conforming to MIL-H-19457 are the ones listed on the current Qualified Products List (QPL) 19457. These fluids will be delivered in containers marked MIL-H-19457C or a later specification revision. Phosphate ester in containers marked by a brand name without a specification identification must not be used in shipboard systems, as they may contain toxic chemicals. These fluids will burn if sufficient heat and flame are applied, but they do not support combustion. Drawbacks of phosphate ester fluids are that they will attack and loosen commonly used paints and adhesives, deteriorate many types of insulations used in electrical cables, and deteriorate many gasket and seal materials. Therefore, gaskets and seals for systems in which phosphate ester fluids are used are manufactured of specific materials. Naval Ships’ Technical Manual, chapter 262, specifies paints to be used on exterior surfaces of hydraulic systems and components in which phosphate ester fluid is used and on ship structure and decks in the immediate vicinity of this equipment. Naval Ships’ Technical Manual, chapter 078, specifies gasket and seal materials used. NAVAIR 01-1A-17 also contains a list of materials resistant to phosphate ester fluids. Trade names for phosphate ester fluids, which do not conform to MIL-H-19457 include Pydraul, Skydrol, and Fyre Safe.
Phosphate Esters by their very nature are "Organic' And as to the "Solvent" They are also capable of dissolving and destroying a large number of types of seals and gaskets.
AS an "Organic" product nad as the application is of a highly sensitive matter "Submarine Hydraulics" I would recomend if the product in question is indeed a "Phosphate Ester" replacing the product with new material instead of attempting a filtration operation to attempt to bring the product back into specifications.
Of course we are not 100% sure that the product is indeed a Phosphate Ester, but it is highly likely.
Not an exact answer, but we appear to be on the right track.
B bobkMember
Got this off a Google search:
HYDRAULIC FLUIDSFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
respect to submarine operations is the preferred use of hydraulic fluids miscible ... Another hydraulic fluid, also containing ethylene glycol (94 - 95 %) ...
www.chemistry.usna.edu/navapps/PDF/Hydraulic.pdf - Similar pages
Link talks about the different hydraulic fluids used in submarines - your fluid could be glycol based (50 - 95%, rest water and amine corrosion inhibitors) instead of gylcerine.
V vsdaveLevel 3 - 101 to 250 posts
Dear Mr. Hawk
Thanks a lot for most valuable information. I will check for seal compatibility with Phosphat Easter based fluids.

For your information this is Russian made submarine and if you have any idea about the standards Hydraulic Oil used in this submarine kindly inform.

Neverthless , please accept my sincere thaks for the help.

With best regards.

V.S.Dave

quote:
Originally posted by Hawk:
So far nothing on "Glycerine" based Hydraulic fluids. However your callout of "Submarine" operations, and a fear of possible detremental effect on seals within your filtration appratus leads me to believe you may have a "Phosphate Ester Fire Resistant Fluid" Below I have attached an excerpt on this fluid used in the U.S> Navy.
http://www.tpub.com/content/engine/14105/css/14105_39.htm


Phosphate Ester Fire-Resistant Fluid
Phosphate ester fire-resistant fluid for shipboard use is covered by specification MIL- H-19457. There are certain trade names closely associated with these fluids. However, the only acceptable fluids conforming to MIL-H-19457 are the ones listed on the current Qualified Products List (QPL) 19457. These fluids will be delivered in containers marked MIL-H-19457C or a later specification revision. Phosphate ester in containers marked by a brand name without a specification identification must not be used in shipboard systems, as they may contain toxic chemicals. These fluids will burn if sufficient heat and flame are applied, but they do not support combustion. Drawbacks of phosphate ester fluids are that they will attack and loosen commonly used paints and adhesives, deteriorate many types of insulations used in electrical cables, and deteriorate many gasket and seal materials. Therefore, gaskets and seals for systems in which phosphate ester fluids are used are manufactured of specific materials. Naval Ships’ Technical Manual, chapter 262, specifies paints to be used on exterior surfaces of hydraulic systems and components in which phosphate ester fluid is used and on ship structure and decks in the immediate vicinity of this equipment. Naval Ships’ Technical Manual, chapter 078, specifies gasket and seal materials used. NAVAIR 01-1A-17 also contains a list of materials resistant to phosphate ester fluids. Trade names for phosphate ester fluids, which do not conform to MIL-H-19457 include Pydraul, Skydrol, and Fyre Safe.
Phosphate Esters by their very nature are "Organic' And as to the "Solvent" They are also capable of dissolving and destroying a large number of types of seals and gaskets.
AS an "Organic" product nad as the application is of a highly sensitive matter "Submarine Hydraulics" I would recomend if the product in question is indeed a "Phosphate Ester" replacing the product with new material instead of attempting a filtration operation to attempt to bring the product back into specifications.
Of course we are not 100% sure that the product is indeed a Phosphate Ester, but it is highly likely.
Not an exact answer, but we appear to be on the right track.
V vsdaveLevel 3 - 101 to 250 posts
Derar Mr. Bob K.

Thanks for your response and interesting link. The information is very much valuable.

With best regards.

V.S.Dave
quote:
Originally posted by Bob K.:
Got this off a Google search:
HYDRAULIC FLUIDSFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
respect to submarine operations is the preferred use of hydraulic fluids miscible ... Another hydraulic fluid, also containing ethylene glycol (94 - 95 %) ...
www.chemistry.usna.edu/navapps/PDF/Hydraulic.pdf - Similar pages
Link talks about the different hydraulic fluids used in submarines - your fluid could be glycol based (50 - 95%, rest water and amine corrosion inhibitors) instead of gylcerine.
H hawkMember
With the information that the Sub is Russian made, I highly recommend that you take a sample and run it through an oil analysis. This will determine the type of product you need. I highly! Recommend you do this do to the sensitive application of the product. Unfortunately I cannot find an analysis lab in your vicinity. Perhaps you have one. I of course have contacts in North America. Here is the E Mail address for Noria Sub Saharan Africa
tdesousa@noria.com
Which is the closest I can find right now to you.
Good luck. Do not accept any "Could be's" or Might be's" you need the correct product for your application.
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