Is this the place for the BITOG rejects?

Yeah Helen PM'd me and said politics is a 4 letter word on BITOG. Gee....here it is a eight letter word. Who knew?!
Terry Dyson is right...that place has lost it's value....who cares

Maybe here I can get a better understanding to my oil temp to viscosity requirements question....versus 06VTECH telling me about his "fabulous" Honda and his latest butt dyno run down to the head shop for more rolling papers
By the way....if my oil temps never get over 160-180...running PP 10-30....am I activating the add packs?....could I run a "thicker" 5-20 or 0-20 and still get the wear protection?

It's getting worse than I thought that you've been banned Sarge.

I know that when I try to start up an actual conversation topic where information can be thrown back and forth, it seems to take off on a tangent also by the third reply, and everything comes down to Mobil 1 or PP.

It is getting petty and childish.

Yeah, when Gman said no political signatures, I removed my www.honestedu.org signature, even though I don't consider it political. A couple weeks ago PM'd him asking about it, whether I could put it back on, and never got a reply.

Things do seem to be getting out of hand over there unfortunately. People need to lighten up. It's an oil/auto forum. I didn't realize all of this had taken place recently.

Here is a web site that speaks the truth for ya
http://sargedoesoil.com/default.aspx

Sarge,

Why don't you tell us how you really feel.

Just one thought and one correction to what is on that site:

Bob, the original owner of BITOG is still alive in FL. The one known at 59Vettemen was the second owner and is the one that passed away last year. I am very sad he is gone, he was a great person.

I heard he was a really good guy also.
I'll make a correction

59Vetterman was truly a nice person, after his demise, BITOG is not the same.

I got beyond banned 2 years ago for mentioning [the names have been changed to protect the innocent] Arthur Herbert Fonzarelli

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Originally posted by SgtGeek:
Here is a web site that speaks the truth for ya
http://sargedoesoil.com/default.aspx

I just want you to know the stuff on your site about Castrol is incorrect.

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So Helen signs a contract with Castrol and now they "approve and cruise" the website and have anything they dissaprove of removed.

I'm no Castrol fan, believe me. But they are NOT controlling content. Yes they are a paying sponsor. Even some of what Terry said is simply not true. They are not controlling or limiting other sponsors. Helen just doesn't want too many sponsors and wanted to slow down and think about sponsors.

As for banning - were you guys banned for oil content or testing the limits with R/S/P? Can I see examples? G-man WAS quite stern, because of direction from Helen. What I saw right after Tony's death was people thinking they could get away with more and they could....so some folks got used to it, suddenly when, yes, G-man reigned it in. Then people start complaining and testing him like silly children BUT in my humble opinion it's still looser than when Bob ran the show.

The attitude at BITOG is anal to say the least. People get banned on the frivolities and moods of the mods, no sense or logic there.

I got banned without any R/S/P. All I did was question why so many people were getting banned. Yet another example in history where those who question the tyrants get beheaded.

I got banned for saying Hyundai quality is not up to the Japanese mark yet

No warning, no intimidation, nothing, NADA, bunch of anals.

Hmmmm, good thing we haven't taken oaths to tell the truth, the WHOLE truth, and nothing but the truth. . .

BITOG rules are clear, and available for all members to read (in fact, that's required). The owner is strict, and has good reasons for being so (many sponsors demand a clean forum). And in no case is the staff unwilling to consider a reasonable request for re-instatement or imposition of a lesser sanction.

That might be OK if those rules were applied fairly. But they are applied so as to basically impose censorship on some and allow others in favor to say whatever they please. Total BS.

Got a legal term for that?

Thats the word, FAIR and unfortunately it doesn't exist at BITOG.

I've been treated pretty badly at BITOG over the last two years or so.

A couple of days ago I made a thread in which I told BITOG forumites that I think they are all terrible people.

Several people subsequently came into the thread and proved me correct.

But I wasn't banned. My avatard was taken away, and that's all.

But since I threw that tantrum, I've been treated very well. No more mockery, no more sarcasm, no more derision, just good talk about automotive fluids.

A couple of people PM'd me apologizing for the conduct of the board. There's a few golden ones in every group.

By the way, I'm new here. Nice to meet you all.

Allen

ALLEN first let me say welcome. BITOG seems to be more relaxed then it used to be thankfully.

I did look at some of your posting on bob and didn't see a problem with some if not all of the replies in the post you mentioned. If you are none specific you get none specific replies. I've seen serious questions getting the smart ass reply (I hate that), but its part of some forums.

If you have a product you like then use it and damn what others think. I mean who's money is it anyway? But if you want to go on forums and post about it expect some sceptics that will only be quited by proof.

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Originally posted by Taterandnoodles:
ALLEN first let me say welcome. BITOG seems to be more relaxed then it used to be thankfully.

I did look at some of your posting on bob and didn't see a problem with some if not all of the replies in the post you mentioned. If you are none specific you get none specific replies. I've seen serious questions getting the smart ass reply (I hate that), but its part of some forums.

If you have a product you like then use it and damn what others think. I mean who's money is it anyway? But if you want to go on forums and post about it expect some sceptics that will only be quited by proof.

I thought the mod's response was reasonable:

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OK this is going to cause a mess, a fight, or at least hard feelings.

To the OP, if you have a problem, you are more than welcome to go away. If you want to substantiate your claims in a way that will gain more respect from the crowd, then do so, but making posts like this isnt going to help your cause. Catch more flies with honey than vinegar...

This is your decision point - stick around or go away. Its your call. But belittling the forum members isnt going to be tolerated, and threads like this will not be allowed to exist.

As far as member's responses, pretty tame by most car related internet forum sites. A post such as yours was pretty much in the face of a lot of people. I wouldn't expect hugs and kisses. It's oil. People are passionate about the sport.

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Originally posted by Pablo:
I thought the mod's response was reasonable:

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OK this is going to cause a mess, a fight, or at least hard feelings.

To the OP, if you have a problem, you are more than welcome to go away. If you want to substantiate your claims in a way that will gain more respect from the crowd, then do so, but making posts like this isnt going to help your cause. Catch more flies with honey than vinegar...

This is your decision point - stick around or go away. Its your call. But belittling the forum members isnt going to be tolerated, and threads like this will not be allowed to exist.

As far as member's responses, pretty tame by most car related internet forum sites. A post such as yours was pretty much in the face of a lot of people. I wouldn't expect hugs and kisses. It's oil. People are passionate about the sport.

I made up with everyone. It's a good site with good people.

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As far as member's responses, pretty tame by most car related internet forum sites. A post such as yours was pretty much in the face of a lot of people. I wouldn't expect hugs and kisses. It's oil. People are passionate about the sport.

I was right about BITOG in the first place. I asked Helen to kill my profile, and she did.

You get treated the way you treat others on Bitog.

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Originally posted by Tempest:
You get treated the way you treat others on Bitog.

Surely you don't think I treated anyone badly?

Because I didn't. I was respectful and courteous, and I tried to be helpful.

I'm considered an idiot on that forum because I endorse Tufoil and I said that one time I tried out fuel magnets on an old VW Golf, and it had some sort of positive effect.

I guess that's enough to condemn someone, huh.

OK, I have been invited back to Bitog after being banned for a year or 2. Should I go crawling back?

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Originally posted by Labman:
OK, I have been invited back to Bitog after being banned for a year or 2. Should I go crawling back?

Yes, you should go crawling back and thank them for allowing you to re-enter their kingly domain.

Unfortunately this place seems dead.

Yup. Pretty much.

Perhaps BITOG is not so volatile and abusive now.

My presence there made very many people angry.

I asked for my account to be deleted because someone sent me a PM telling me I was full of ****. Those losers rejoiced and said that I had been banned.

Geez, I wondered what happened to 'bike, Mickey, Gurkha, Labman, et al.

I missed everyones posts. Hadn't been to BOTOG for over twelve months and was talking to Terry a few months back who filled me in a little on what happened.

There are far too many posts now telling how good ATF is as an engine flush......help !

Well I am here.

IMHO this forum is more unbiassed and has more professional users. Besides this, it's not so salesdriven...

I truely hope that the 'rejects' you all talk about here are not the persons who have polluted the BITOG with nonsense and now take their chance at this place.

Howcome we have to keep bringing BITOG up here? Do we have to set up a new forum just for discussions about BITOG?

"I truely hope that the 'rejects' you all talk about here are not the persons who have polluted the BITOG with nonsense and now take their chance at this place."

Hmmmm. If the shoe fits ...

"Howcome we have to keep bringing BITOG up here? Do we have to set up a new forum just for discussions about BITOG?"

Why not? Don't like it?

Don't read it.

hahaha you must be kidding...got big toes?

What is your personal problem with me? I just gave my honest opinion and now you identify me as one of the rejects? Don't blame me for having a bad day...!

I truly hope he is kiding E.M.

On Bitog it is kind of hard for Joe Average to tell what is fact or just a sales pitch.

yeah PJ, it would be less frustrating when you're just looking for an honest discussion or advice without having to filter out the nonsenses

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Originally posted by PJD:
I truly hope he is kiding E.M.

On Bitog it is kind of hard for Joe Average to tell what is fact or just a sales pitch.

If you think it is bad, you should see some of the discussion of dog food on dog forums. A lot of the smaller, premium brands are distributed by part time reps and breeders. Of course, the breeders are flogging themselves.

I was kicked off for asking if the owners were alive or not, and for quoteing somebody that said "khrap" (they were avoiding the censor)
and asking why they just didn't say cr ap.
I was getting tired of it anyway!


My reason for being band was "he is a student, and the board rules are just a game to him"

If they ever ask me to come back, I'm PM ing Helen, and telling her that was uncalled for, not true, and go from there.

BITOG is just getting worse

I'm in! I got the boot last Thurs or Friday.

Somebody started a thread about funny commercials. I posted a link to a commercial I saw on tv. Several others posted much racier commercials.

I wonder if they got the boot too?

I did not get any warning. In fact I have never been booted from any forum till now.