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A adfd1Member
quote:
Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
Miro...............Trajen bashing Synlube, no. I look at him as a public servant looking for truth, so people don't get caught up in your little scam. Up to this point you haven't shown any proof, NOTHING. Take the con game somewhere else, this board isn't buying, and they are growing tired of your nonsense and lies.

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AFD1....the only person busted for fabricating lies is trajen.


AFD1....would you please post something that makes sense and is relevant!!

Trajen is no public servant by the way......... He is a public nuisance!!.......I am the one on this forum who is the public servant because of my JOB AND WHERE I WORK THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!! Yes....I actually have a JOB!!!

I never said that big oil was sued in court for sludge. I stated major issues with sludge and class action lawsuits. Big oil is a GIANT CARTEL(OPEC) with deep pockets half running the world and has the best lawyers and the most powerful legal dream team in the world!!

The engine sludge is what is relevant!!

Would someone accept the challenge of why all those cars with sludge all had store bought name brand oil.

NO sludge in any of those cars with either synlube...or amsoil. I just gave a plug to amsoil if you haven't noticed.

The issue at hand is why I use synlube. The name brand oils on the shelves has not held up well in modern day high tech engines...the sludge and emission issues proves that.

The EPA,and government in general is putting tremendous pressure on the automaker to build cleaner running cars,better emission systems,better fuel economy ect. Why not big oil as well?

The motor oil in stores is not keeping up with automotive technology...that has always been the case!!

The fuel at the pumps is also an issue. Just look at all the money spent on fuel injection services and bottles of fuel system cleaner on the shelves. It's a billion dollar business!!

Only some service stations offer top tier gas which also has some issues and needs a boost of techron or shell v-power at times. I use shell. All the other top tier gas has left my state...why? My VW 1.8T has major driveability and starting issues with all the other gasoline...ONLY VERY SLIGHT ISSUES WITH TOP TIER FUEL. One bottle of cleaner solves all my issues for a while. Low quality fuel is a major issue as is low grade motor oil typically purchased in stores or installed from bulk oil at your favorite repair shop!!....The very same shop with the engine flush machine for sludge,and the very expensive fuel injection service you pay plenty over and over. I think some of you must have a love affair with big oil!! To hedge my bet,I have invested in some oil stocks!!

Poor fuel and motor oil is a proven issue that you can't deny if you're head is not in the sand!!


Kirk everything I've posted makes sense. How's this, post some facts for us, OK? Until then expect the bashing from the members to continue.

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T trajanMember
The can't post what they don't have ADFD1, thus why they make issuse where none exsist. Such as my profile, not using a real name like kirk claims he does, miro's claim that I work for Shell, or the claims I lost some 2.3 mil in a non exsistant commission from a company I never worked for? Or being abandoned by a non exsistant wife.

Rich fantasy life they have if nothing else.

And ole inhal. Well, as you aksed him pages ago when he complained about us asking these questions "So a car enthusiast asking some questions that all oil companies will answer is wrong." Well, it must be, as he still has a problem with it.

Don't know why they're making me the focus of such spew. I'm not here selling a product.

And we might want to ask: https://forums.noria.com/eve/fo...=511104214#511104214

Why hasn't kirk answered Robert C's request?

To wit:

Show me verifiably independent test reports and visual documentation from an inspection of sludge prone engine running synlube.

VOA, UOA, and dealers warranty paperwork will be a start.
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I inhaliburtonMember
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They can't let the facts be known on the scam they are trying to pull off.The conclusion on another forum was they are doctoring up used oil and rebottling it. One person in a thread stated they received their oil in used bottles???


Ya, I read that on BOBALOO. Total nonsense. You guys keep parotting scam, scam, scam. What scam? These people are USERS. They don't care about test tube tests, VOA, UOA, or any of the endless demands you mud slingers have been whining for the past 6 years. They don't care. They are very happy with the results they are getting from using the product just as I'm happily using Amsoil products in my car and commercial equipment. I would never waste money on such tests. The stuff works. I'm happy. After 50 pages, its obvious that you guys are incapable of getting it. It's typical of people who think inside the box.

Thanks for dropping by...
C captainkirkMember
quote:
Originally posted by snakedoctor:
Yeah, I guess ignorance is bliss.


Ignorance is truly bliss.....when your ignoring trajen and his clone snakedoctor at the same time!!

TRAJEN.......You sir....have issues!! What is your problem??

As I have stated before....I am using the product.....I am not a science lab. My engines are the science labs that speak for themselves by running on synlube and remaining in perfect condition!!
T trajanMember
quote:
Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
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Originally posted by snakedoctor:
Yeah, I guess ignorance is bliss.


Ignorance is truly bliss.....when your ignoring trajen and his clone snakedoctor at the same time!!

TRAJEN.......You sir....have issues!! What is your problem??

As I have stated before....I am using the product.....I am not a science lab. My engines are the science labs that speak for themselves by running on synlube and remaining in perfect condition!!


Show me verifiably independent test reports and visual documentation from an inspection of sludge prone engine running synlube.

VOA, UOA, and dealers warranty paperwork will be a start.

Remember that from Robert C? You fail to comply.

This is me being surprised.....
C captainkirkMember
quote:
Originally posted by ADFD1:
quote:
Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
quote:
Originally posted by ADFD1:
Miro...............Trajen bashing Synlube, no. I look at him as a public servant looking for truth, so people don't get caught up in your little scam. Up to this point you haven't shown any proof, NOTHING. Take the con game somewhere else, this board isn't buying, and they are growing tired of your nonsense and lies.

AD


AFD1....the only person busted for fabricating lies is trajen.


AFD1....would you please post something that makes sense and is relevant!!

Trajen is no public servant by the way......... He is a public nuisance!!.......I am the one on this forum who is the public servant because of my JOB AND WHERE I WORK THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!! Yes....I actually have a JOB!!!

I never said that big oil was sued in court for sludge. I stated major issues with sludge and class action lawsuits. Big oil is a GIANT CARTEL(OPEC) with deep pockets half running the world and has the best lawyers and the most powerful legal dream team in the world!!

The engine sludge is what is relevant!!

Would someone accept the challenge of why all those cars with sludge all had store bought name brand oil.

NO sludge in any of those cars with either synlube...or amsoil. I just gave a plug to amsoil if you haven't noticed.

The issue at hand is why I use synlube. The name brand oils on the shelves has not held up well in modern day high tech engines...the sludge and emission issues proves that.

The EPA,and government in general is putting tremendous pressure on the automaker to build cleaner running cars,better emission systems,better fuel economy ect. Why not big oil as well?

The motor oil in stores is not keeping up with automotive technology...that has always been the case!!

The fuel at the pumps is also an issue. Just look at all the money spent on fuel injection services and bottles of fuel system cleaner on the shelves. It's a billion dollar business!!

Only some service stations offer top tier gas which also has some issues and needs a boost of techron or shell v-power at times. I use shell. All the other top tier gas has left my state...why? My VW 1.8T has major driveability and starting issues with all the other gasoline...ONLY VERY SLIGHT ISSUES WITH TOP TIER FUEL. One bottle of cleaner solves all my issues for a while. Low quality fuel is a major issue as is low grade motor oil typically purchased in stores or installed from bulk oil at your favorite repair shop!!....The very same shop with the engine flush machine for sludge,and the very expensive fuel injection service you pay plenty over and over. I think some of you must have a love affair with big oil!! To hedge my bet,I have invested in some oil stocks!!

Poor fuel and motor oil is a proven issue that you can't deny if you're head is not in the sand!!


Kirk everything I've posted makes sense. How's this, post some facts for us, OK? Until then expect the bashing from the members to continue.

AD


AFD1....Thanks for admitting that the members are the ones doing the bashing. What facts would you like? Try it yourself like I did!!!

Here is how you do it.....The way I did it!!! If you dare!!!!


Install synlube in your MECHANICALLY SOUND/EMISSION SOUND//CLEAN engine if you have the guts! I did! Still do! ANY PREEXISTING ISSUES IF ANY WITH YOUR ENGINE NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED FIRST!!! That should go without saying!!!!

Monitor the dipstick,...breather filter/pcv/valve where it applies and often to prove it to yourself there will be no issues!! I never found any!!!

Remove oil fill cap and look for sludge or issues weekly if in doubt!!! I found none...ever!!

Change first oil filter at 3k-5k and cut open for inspection(synlube will desludge your engine if you have preexisting sludge(that's a good thing). Filter should have what synlube cleaned up in your engine from previous oil......that's a good thing too!!

It's an amazing flush to clean your engine!!!!

(((Too much preexisting sludge should be addressed first by a professional!!!!!)))) Otherwise don't bother putting synlube in an engine that already has issues. It's too late!!!


Change second filter at 10k or less if you are "scared" and cut it open once again to inspect!! Mine always looks very clean after the first filter!!

Always start engine and listen for any abnormal noises. I never have any!!

Check your fuel milage...emissions etc. Compare with before synlube and after. I had great results there as well!!! I never fail emissions...I live in NJ...they inspect in NJ!!!!

I did all those things over the years up to 65,000 and 6 years in at least two cars and never had any issues ever....and then I traded them in for new cars that now have synlube. STill have the vw,the lawnmower,etc with synlube. No issues!!! Great running engines only!!!

If you can't handle doing the above steps.........why are you still here discussing synlube??? You....in the end will have to try it and prove to yourself.

Remember..... I am not a science lab.....the EPA..ETC.ETC....I am a customer!!!!!!!!!

If your are still "chicken",...but want more proof....then come check out my vehicles. Would you like me to post some pics of my cars,etc with the dipstick in the photos. What do you want from me??? Budman already has done that at BOB'S PLACE. How much more proof!!!! Go hound budman!! At least he put up photos!!! You also have proof over there as well!!


Have you notice how long this has been going on now? Decades. The forums go back almost 10 years. Nothing has changed...same product,company,etc.etc. How much more proof do you need before you try someting?? This is way beyond ridiculous!!!
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A adfd1Member
So that's how you prove it Kirk. You tried it and that is proof. You are the Almighty Oil Guru Kirok, you and your alter ego Miro. Your words are all any of us need. Plus $32/qt and a magical filter, and some magnets. Oh and if I lived in NV we could meet in an alley for the transaction.

Dream on Kirkie Boy............I still ain't believing......In fact you can continue your rant, and dig your way to China. Keep on diggin.....

AD
I inhaliburtonMember
Posted by: GUESS WHO?
quote:
Show me verifiably independent test reports and visual documentation from an inspection of sludge prone engine running synlube.VOA, UOA, and dealers warranty paperwork will be a start.Remember that from Robert C? You fail to comply.This is me being surprised.....


Same old, same old. blah blah glah. Gimme Gimme. Ad nauseam. You deserve NOTHING.
I inhaliburtonMember
From ADFD1
quote:
So that's how you prove it Kirk. You tried it and that is proof. You are the Almighty Oil Guru Kirok, you and your alter ego Miro. Your words are all any of us need. Plus $32/qt and a magical filter, and some magnets. Oh and if I lived in NV we could meet in an alley for the transaction. Dream on Kirkie Boy............I still ain't believing......In fact you can continue your rant, and dig your way to China. Keep on diggin.....

You still don't get it. He's saying that he's happy with the product. Therefore, he's saying no need for a VOA, VOC, ABC, XYZ or MDSABC high school test tube test, or Bunsen burner test. No need for junk science. Get it now? I doubt it...
T trajanMember
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Originally posted by vitual_mage:
Inhaliburton, you complaining as much ,acting like a teenager to and seems to have as much free time then everyone else.So before , posting your own opinion and your mighty judgment,realize at the end of the day you acting the same.


It just galls the boy that we don't take synlube cultists' word.

Haven't seen the links that show thsoe test result yet.
I inhaliburtonMember
Another one of Trajan's meaningless blurbs:
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It just galls the boy that we don't take synlube cultists' word.Haven't seen the links that show thsoe test result yet.


Nobody cares what you negateers think. The guys of similar ilk to yourself contribute nothing. The stuff works as advertised as many users have indicated, and you guys have nothing that indicates that it does not perform as advertised. Show us all the seized-up engines. Show everyone the sludge buckets. There must be dozens, hundreds, thousands because the stuff doesn't work, right? The only thing you guys can produce are satisfied users. That's what burns you up.

Nor do you have any test results that you can bad mouth. Life's tough for you naysayer types. All you can do is whine for test results that you are never going to see. You keep saying that the stuff is no good. Show us your proof.

You want test results? Buy the stuff yourself and pay for your own testing, cheap guy.
E enochcaMember
Yes we are waiting your document as you said your product passed the test and i think you (Mr. Miro) knows all member in this forum waiting this document.
thanks,
enoch

quote:
Originally posted by Trajan:
Not interested in cars that, as you say, are past their useful life.

So, where are the documents to the tests that synlube crows they passed?

You claim to pass them. Let's see them. No links to a suspect site.
C captainkirkMember
quote:
Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:
Since 51 pages of arguments are not enough yet here is link to the about 2 more that will magincally clone to 60...

https://forums.noria.com/eve/fo...4995/m/190100014/p/2


Notice how all the negative naysayers fell silent with regard to all the issues with engine sludge using their beloved name brand oil.

Apparently...I must have asked too many hard core questions dealing with the facts!!!

You know what they say...........the truth hurts!!!
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C captainkirkMember
quote:
Originally posted by snakedoctor:
How does a 5W50 get to be API SM ILSAC GF4. More false advertising??
There is no label on the back.

I guess they ran out of new Mobil 1 bottles, oh thats right they use used bottles, to put their doctored used oil in.

prove you don't or loose by default.



Trajen/Snakedoctor......Looks to me like you have already purchased the Synlube oil... nice picture. How many bottles did you purchase and what cars did you install the lube in.
T trajanMember
quote:
Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
quote:
Originally posted by snakedoctor:
How does a 5W50 get to be API SM ILSAC GF4. More false advertising??
There is no label on the back.

I guess they ran out of new Mobil 1 bottles, oh thats right they use used bottles, to put their doctored used oil in.

prove you don't or loose by default.



Trajen/Snakedoctor......Looks to me like you have already purchased the Synlube oil... nice picture. How many bottles did you purchase and what cars did you install the lube in.


Wrong again boy: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/...umber=1846428&page=9

Or are you going to accuse me of being TaterandNoodles as well?
M mirokefurtMember
quote:
snakedoctor


OK Mr. Brent Olsen, it is amazing how nice you are on phone ordering SynLube for your lawn mover!

But of course you are free to do with the Oil what ever you wish.

Still however I seriously doubt that you have any understanding of Motor Oil Tests, such as engine tests that take from 40 to 500 hours, which of course is no problem for SynLube that lasts many times longer in service.

Chemical composition except for "free" phosporus is not any part of any performance specification or API or ILSAC "grading".

I really doubt that you will invest into ASTM D4951 to verify any $20 quickie test that has no colleration that was ever proven by anybody.

If such low cost tests were of any special value then they would be in use by the industry and not sold to amateurs with promisse of secret knowledge.

Or even ASTM D4951 would probably cost you more than the "lawn mover".

On the phone both in a message and talking to me personally you claimed that you could tell difference in the engine operation - to the better - was that a LIE ?

Just curious about how dishonest you really are !!!



Just in case you do not know it for your lawn mover there is only this procedure:

Small spark-ignition engines are regulated by 40 CFR Part 90, "Control of Emissions from Nonroad Spark-Ignition Engines at or below 19 kW." You should be able to get the certification data from the OEM and/or EPA and then just compare the Emissions with SynLube, the "useful life" is right there on the EPA tag, so you can prove to yourself very easily how much longer the lawn mover will last with SynLube and NO oil changes.

Since you have not purchased enough SynLube to fill up 1993 FORD V8 and 1996 General Motors Powertrain 3800 Series II - then you really can not do ILSAC GF-4 or API SM test...

Syn-cerely

Miro Kefurt
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M mirokefurtMember
Anyone who really needs to know can buy API 1509 and then you will understand what gets disclosed and to whom and when and under what conditions, that is if you are not too cheap to spend $127.00 on 8 years out of date document:

This publication describes the API Engine Oil Licensing and Certification System (EOLCS), a voluntary licensing and certification program designed to define, certify, and monitor engine oil performance deemed necessary for satisfactory equipment life and performance by vehicle and engine manufacturers. Engine oil marketers that meet EOLCS requirements may be licensed to display two Marks, the API Service Symbol and the API Certification Mark.

Sections 2 through 6 of this publication define the current API engine oil service categories and explain the EOLCS licensing requirements, the API Marks and their use, and the EOLCS Aftermarket Audit Program. Appendices A through Q provide a brief history of engine oil classifications, describe methods for developing new engine oil performance requirements, and explain the interaction and roles of the vari- ous independent organizations that are part of the API EOLCS.

API 1509 - Complete Document
Revision / Edition: 15 Chg: Date: 04/00/02
ENGINE OIL LICENSING AND CERTIFICATION SYSTEM

Comments: FIFTEENTH EDITION * C150915 * ORDER BINDER AT N/C
Superseding Document:
Page Count: 72
In Stock: Yes
Hardcopy Price: $ 127.00

First of all neither ILSAC or API tests any "licensed" products, they only SELL you the "license" to use the two marks on the BACK LABEL. Out of over 5,000 "licensed" motor oils only few hundred at most get "tested" and even under that program 10 to 15% of the oils examined DO NOT meet the specifications on the lables - and the OFFENDING BIG OIL COMPANIES are not disclosed by API !!!

So the "monitoring" system for which a small compnay like ours has to pay $63,000 to $66,000 annually can not even be used to demonstrate that BIG OIL is selling "crap" - API protects their identity !!!

System where the FOX is guarding the chickens, and the chickens pay for the privilege of being eaten by the other Foxes - really reliable and just system !!!

Since 98% of motoring public and over 80% of fleet managers have no idea what API ratings are it is not cost effective to spend over $63,000 annually to have "license" to display two marks on BACK LABEL.

Our customers simply do not care and prefer to save the avereage $1.00 per Liter.

Also our fleet customers prefer to return the empty bottles for re-fill and thus save another $2.00 per liter in the process.

New customers always get NEW bottles, unless they request the re-used bottles.

Some of the bottles make 26 to 32 round trips before they get rejected due to aging of the plastic, that is lot of "trash" that does not end up in land fills - almost 18,000 to 20,000 bottles annually.

When we say we are environmentally correct Company we really mean it.

On the other hand if you wish to spend $90 extra for 24 Carat Gold plated can that has certified storage life of 25 years, we have that as well - and guess who buys it that way with your tax money !!!

And no the $90 can can not be reused as you have to puncture it to open it, again Government efficiency at work - are you not glad to know where your tax money goes ?
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I inhaliburtonMember
quote:
Originally posted by snakedoctor:
How does a 5W50 get to be API SM ILSAC GF4. More false advertising??
There is no label on the back.

I guess they ran out of new Mobil 1 bottles, oh thats right they use used bottles, to put their doctored used oil in.

prove you don't or loose by default.



Hey Trojan/Snakedoctor,

Congrats. You saw the light. Now, after you drive 50 to 100 k miles, do the tests you and the other negateers have been whining for the past 6 years, and let us all know the results, okay? No cheating now, you rascal(s)!!!!!
C captainkirkMember
quote:
Originally posted by Trajan:
where are the documents to the tests that synlube crows they passed?

You claim to pass them. Let's see them. No links to a suspect site.




Trajen....I noticed you spend more time discussing Synlube then anyone else on these boards based on all your posts on Noria and Bobs' place. Why?? You have the record on that one and it's growing...............and you have never even tried or used the product. Bravo!!!! You must really hate Synlube on some personal level......it shows big time!!!!!!!!!!

I also noticed you spent more time then even I did doing all the sludge research online.....wow....that was great!!!!

Remember when I first mentioned the issue of sludge you denied it totally....I remember and so do the posts that still exists when you denied the issue. Your denial sure has changed based on all your posts relating to the research you did on sludge and then posting it to boot. You did a nice job of proving me correct on that topic and acknowledging the issue.

So far Trajen......you keep proving me to be correct. Do you even realize that???

We are now wondering how you can state that the entire world is now producing defective engines. That's a good one!!!

Is your claim based on the fact that the class action lawsuits and the respective lawyers have determined it is easier to sue a car maker vs Big Oil. That's always a lawyers strategy....to sue the easiest target....not necessarily the guiltiest....ask any lawyer.....that's a no- brainer!!!

You act like the car maker was the one who blended the oil that went into the engines....that would be a different story.

The bottom line.....the mass scale sludge ONLY occurs with retail bulk oil....... period!!!!! That is all the proof anyone would ever need.....that's all I ever needed!!
D deltonadaveMember
I am not taking any sides here, but Capt. Kirk, you are so fond of "bulk oil sludge", why don't you ask the large OTR trucking fleets to use your "synlube". These trucks do 150K a year! If that truck is down for maintenance, the company/driver is losing money. If there was a product that could save them downtime, they would be jumping all over it. Truth is, Heavy Duty diesel engines are designed for abuse, long OCI's and minimum downtime. The mechanics are going to use the cheapest "bulk" oil and service them at the longest interval.

If this synlube was worth a hoot, there would be many links, besides the frontpage 98 with the "dashboard" theme, that looks amateurish.

Miro needs to take his meds, I don't think the Gov't would want oil in a gold plated can. They go for the low bid. I know, I work in government. Low bid wins.

I hear crickets....
Dave
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