I received a copy of the MSDS for Synlube from Miro last Friday. I have finally found time to post it to a hosting site. It is being hosted temporarily for the next 30 days.
http://freepdfhosting.com/b14d512c6c.pdf
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Information given herein is offered in good faith as accurate, but without guarantee. Conditions of use and suitability of the product for particular uses are beyond our control; the user therefore assumes all risks of use of the product and WE EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ALL
WARRANTIES OF EVERY KIND AND NATURE, INCLUDING WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE IN RESPECT TO THE USE OR SUITABILITY OF THE PRODUCT.
Does this cancel the warranty offered on the website?
And the approval date: APPROVAL DATE: 3/19/10.
Just made?
WARRANTIES OF EVERY KIND AND NATURE, INCLUDING WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE IN RESPECT TO THE USE OR SUITABILITY OF THE PRODUCT.
Does this cancel the warranty offered on the website?
And the approval date: APPROVAL DATE: 3/19/10.
Just made?
quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
Information given herein is offered in good faith as accurate, but without guarantee. Conditions of use and suitability of the product for particular uses are beyond our control; the user therefore assumes all risks of use of the product and WE EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ALL
WARRANTIES OF EVERY KIND AND NATURE, INCLUDING WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE IN RESPECT TO THE USE OR SUITABILITY OF THE PRODUCT.
Does this cancel the warranty offered on the website?
And the approval date: APPROVAL DATE: 3/19/10.
Just made?
Every company has a similar disclaimer to cover themselves for any abuse that would void the warranty. A clause is in every owners manual/contract. Why would synlube be any different??
WE EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES OF EVERY KIND AND NATURE, INCLUDING WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE IN RESPECT TO THE USE OR SUITABILITY OF THE PRODUCT.
Clearly points out they don't warranty it at all.
Clearly points out they don't warranty it at all.
quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
WE EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES OF EVERY KIND AND NATURE, INCLUDING WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE IN RESPECT TO THE USE OR SUITABILITY OF THE PRODUCT.
Yes,that's right,IF you abuse the vehicle,...then all warranties are null and void.
That isn't what it says.
quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
That isn't what it says.
Trajen,I think you need to go to the synlube site and read the warranty. All your questions will be answered. What has been posted here does not suffice.
In case you forgot, I've already read it.
From your synlube lube-4-life/// RESULTS ARE HERE thread at BITOG. That long thread which showed none. Just observations.
In bright yellow letters, it says "The first oil you do NOT change." (As an aside, gotta love their Nationwide gas Price guide. So far off....)
So anyway, if this is an oil I do not change, why does the "warranty" say I have to change it every 50K miles?
And my second post on the subject.
TO KEEP THIS WARRANTY VALID, YOU MUST COMPLY WITH ALL OF THE FOLLOWING REQUIREMENTS
9.) You must replace the SynLube™ lubricants regularly:
Engine: every 50,000 miles or every 5 years*
Automatic Transmission** every: 30,000 miles or every 3 years
Manual Transmission every: 100,000 miles*
Differential(s) or Rear End every: 100,000 miles*
* this requirement may be waived by SynLube if oil sample is provided for oil analysis at this mileage interval
Can you show where it says the word option? The phrase "you have the option."
May be waived means it's up to them.
(You were saying....)
What I outlined in red in my post #2 of this thread....., well, read it again.)
And this synlube site also boasts of a RX-7 with no oil consumption........
From your synlube lube-4-life/// RESULTS ARE HERE thread at BITOG. That long thread which showed none. Just observations.
In bright yellow letters, it says "The first oil you do NOT change." (As an aside, gotta love their Nationwide gas Price guide. So far off....)
So anyway, if this is an oil I do not change, why does the "warranty" say I have to change it every 50K miles?
And my second post on the subject.
TO KEEP THIS WARRANTY VALID, YOU MUST COMPLY WITH ALL OF THE FOLLOWING REQUIREMENTS
9.) You must replace the SynLube™ lubricants regularly:
Engine: every 50,000 miles or every 5 years*
Automatic Transmission** every: 30,000 miles or every 3 years
Manual Transmission every: 100,000 miles*
Differential(s) or Rear End every: 100,000 miles*
* this requirement may be waived by SynLube if oil sample is provided for oil analysis at this mileage interval
Can you show where it says the word option? The phrase "you have the option."
May be waived means it's up to them.
(You were saying....)
What I outlined in red in my post #2 of this thread....., well, read it again.)
And this synlube site also boasts of a RX-7 with no oil consumption........
quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
In case you forgot, I've already read it.
From your synlube lube-4-life/// RESULTS ARE HERE thread at BITOG. That long thread which showed none. Just observations.
In bright yellow letters, it says "The first oil you do NOT change." (As an aside, gotta love their Nationwide gas Price guide. So far off....)
So anyway, if this is an oil I do not change, why does the "warranty" say I have to change it every 50K miles?
And my second post on the subject.
TO KEEP THIS WARRANTY VALID, YOU MUST COMPLY WITH ALL OF THE FOLLOWING REQUIREMENTS
9.) You must replace the SynLube™ lubricants regularly:
Engine: every 50,000 miles or every 5 years*
Automatic Transmission** every: 30,000 miles or every 3 years
Manual Transmission every: 100,000 miles*
Differential(s) or Rear End every: 100,000 miles*
* this requirement may be waived by SynLube if oil sample is provided for oil analysis at this mileage interval
Can you show where it says the word option? The phrase "you have the option."
May be waived means it's up to them.
(You were saying....)
What I outlined in red in my post #2 of this thread....., well, read it again.)
And this synlube site also boasts of a RX-7 with no oil consumption........
Trajen, It DOES NOT say you have to change. It would be determined by an UOA done by synlube,which is what they meant by their discretion. The oil would be drained,..only if needed,.. and sent back to synlube for full credit applied to new synlube and shipped free back to the user. Repeat again at 50k again.
I don't know what else you could ask for,...then again,...knowing you,...the moon!!
last year Houckster promised me to send this lubricant for UOA but after a week, 2 weeks,..4 weeks....2months....4months..and today after one year.... nothing data for UOA, so in my opinion, for a customer who ask this UOA in this NORIA Forum or BITOG Forum it's very simple question because we are in Oil / Lubrication Forums not in "Faith and Religion Forum".....
see....
enoch
see....
enoch
It says right on the website that to keep the warranty the oil must be changed.
And yet, he insists it does not....
http://www.synlube.com/serv01.htm
Scroll about half way down to the big blue letters.
Then go to condition #9
And yet, he insists it does not....
http://www.synlube.com/serv01.htm
Scroll about half way down to the big blue letters.
Then go to condition #9
ahhaha i found in Synlube MSDS this lubricant have passed the test in Mobil Laboratory ( i saved both MSDS for comparation)ahhaahha.... 
quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
It says right on the website that to keep the warranty the oil must be changed.
And yet, he insists it does not....
http://www.synlube.com/serv01.htm
Scroll about half way down to the big blue letters.
Then go to condition #9
Trajen,Did you happen to notice the asterisk?
At 50k,..synlube must be sent an oil sample(from changed filter),then.., once the UOA is done,you will be told if the oil needs to be changed or not. The oil change may very well be waived. However, If changed,you receive 100% credit for new oil shipped to you free.
We have had this exchange before,and I addressed it then!! Somehow,I suspect you did see the information in plain view and are simply doing what you do best,....be Trajen.
this requirement may be waived by SynLube if oil sample is provided for oil analysis at this mileage interval?
Do you know what the definition of may is?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/may
Do you know what the definition of may is?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/may
quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
this requirement may be waived by SynLube if oil sample is provided for oil analysis at this mileage interval?
Do you know what the definition of may is?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/may
Well apparently you know what the definition of "may" is,..please tell us,..and how it relates to the synlube warranty.
Dear Captain Kirk,
Can you explain us why in Synlube MSDS this lubricant passed test from Mobil Laboratory? this is same words like MSDS from Mobil1 products....
enoch
Can you explain us why in Synlube MSDS this lubricant passed test from Mobil Laboratory? this is same words like MSDS from Mobil1 products....
enoch
How do you expect captain Kirk should be able to explain it? If you think he is the owner of Synlube, then I guess you must be full of it...
If you don't understand what the man says, that he is a USER of Synlube, then why do you still want to communicate with him?
It is obvious that you don't believe what he says, any way.
On the other hand, throwing out accusations, like you have done, is very easy.
I see that several people have decided to join, probably for fun.
I have heard rumors that Trajan is on Excon Mobiles payroll, and I think it is very hard for him to PROVE to me, otherwise.
Remember, there is very little proof, that I will accept.
You understand the problem?
You can read MSDSs intill your face turn blue, but that won't make you an expert on lubrications. At some point, you will have to at least SEE the stuff you are writing about....
It is comparable with learning to swim by taking a mail course.
And still, you claim to know everything, even without having seen the product?
That's quite amazing.
By the way, I am also a satisfied user of this product, but I only used it for two and a half year and 72000 kilometers in one car...
I really would like to see that being done with Delvac 1.
You can just call me, at 004793212261, (just to make sure that I am a real person(and not MIRO), if you don't believe what I am saying.
Of course, that is free to do for all.
I will answer if I have the time.
If you want to do a search for phone numbers around the world, it can be easily done at www.ixquick.com
If you don't understand what the man says, that he is a USER of Synlube, then why do you still want to communicate with him?
It is obvious that you don't believe what he says, any way.
On the other hand, throwing out accusations, like you have done, is very easy.
I see that several people have decided to join, probably for fun.
I have heard rumors that Trajan is on Excon Mobiles payroll, and I think it is very hard for him to PROVE to me, otherwise.
Remember, there is very little proof, that I will accept.
You understand the problem?
You can read MSDSs intill your face turn blue, but that won't make you an expert on lubrications. At some point, you will have to at least SEE the stuff you are writing about....
It is comparable with learning to swim by taking a mail course.
And still, you claim to know everything, even without having seen the product?
That's quite amazing.
By the way, I am also a satisfied user of this product, but I only used it for two and a half year and 72000 kilometers in one car...
I really would like to see that being done with Delvac 1.
You can just call me, at 004793212261, (just to make sure that I am a real person(and not MIRO), if you don't believe what I am saying.
Of course, that is free to do for all.
I will answer if I have the time.
If you want to do a search for phone numbers around the world, it can be easily done at www.ixquick.com
Here we go again with the insults. Gotta tell you that sells product, and will certainly gain you respect. Oh wait that was lost on the other site.
Kirk must really love Miro to defend a product and company the way he does. I can't wait to see if a VOA if/when it appears, or a trusted member posts a UOA on the stuff. Not likely because I doubt a respected member will actually use it. Then if a sample is sent to a respected member we'd have no idea how long the oil was in use, so we'll never see one.
If any of these reports come to be, the spin masters will be burning the midnight oil doing damage control.
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Kirk must really love Miro to defend a product and company the way he does. I can't wait to see if a VOA if/when it appears, or a trusted member posts a UOA on the stuff. Not likely because I doubt a respected member will actually use it. Then if a sample is sent to a respected member we'd have no idea how long the oil was in use, so we'll never see one.
If any of these reports come to be, the spin masters will be burning the midnight oil doing damage control.
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Well, he got run off from BITOG with his tail between his legs, so maybe he thinks his "style" will work here?
quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
Well, he got run off from BITOG with his tail between his legs, so maybe he thinks his "style" will work here?
LOL he did sales of Synlube well over there. Give him some time here the insults will flow and he'll help sales here as well. Could be a different kind of sales technique, lie to, then insult, and think potential customers are stupid. That lines them up wanting to buy and buy more & more product.
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quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
Well, he got run off from BITOG with his tail between his legs, so maybe he thinks his "style" will work here?
Well, it isn't exactly true what you are saying here(as usual).
The reasons to why I didn't bother to answer back at BITOG, is because of the obvious thing that you didn't seem to understand what I wrote.
Besides, when I see that people have made up their minds, no matter how many different users that tell about their experiences with a product, it is rather useless, trying to communicate with them.
Why are those of us that use this Synlube oil not to be trusted, more than others that tell about ARX, MMO and other stuff?
Why are we being accused to be the owner of Synlube, while positive reports about other products never have seen these accusations?
I repeat that I have heard rumors that you are on the payroll of Excon Mobile!
How are you going to prove to me that this is not the case?
What are your intentions?
Why are you writing so much about a product that you don't use, if you wasn't paid to do so?
You don't even know what it looks like!
1: Don't really care if you think I'm on the payroll of EM. Think what you wamt.
2: You got run off. Nobody there is buying the nonsense you're selling.
3: I can't speak of ARX, but I don't see MMO usere hurl insults if you don't use it. (I use it, and don't care if you do, don't, rail against it, or praise it.)
4: My intentions were to get reliable, third party, data to compare it to my chosen oil. To see if it would be worth switching.
You, kirk, miro, inhal, have combined to convince me that I would be a fool to use it.
Oh, BTW, I also use German Castrol 0w-30. Not something I would admit to if I was on the payroll of Exxon/Mobil.
And why use those? (The M1 0w-40 Euro and the GC) 1: Both on BMW's approval list. 2: Both are ACEA A3/B3. 3: Neither one makes outlandish claims.
Things that Synlube can't claim.
And, the stockholders, CEOs, COOs, et al, do not visit boards like this and fall into blood pressure raising fits and attack members who ask questions or make observations.
Another thing Synlube can't claim.
2: You got run off. Nobody there is buying the nonsense you're selling.
3: I can't speak of ARX, but I don't see MMO usere hurl insults if you don't use it. (I use it, and don't care if you do, don't, rail against it, or praise it.)
4: My intentions were to get reliable, third party, data to compare it to my chosen oil. To see if it would be worth switching.
You, kirk, miro, inhal, have combined to convince me that I would be a fool to use it.
Oh, BTW, I also use German Castrol 0w-30. Not something I would admit to if I was on the payroll of Exxon/Mobil.
And why use those? (The M1 0w-40 Euro and the GC) 1: Both on BMW's approval list. 2: Both are ACEA A3/B3. 3: Neither one makes outlandish claims.
Things that Synlube can't claim.
And, the stockholders, CEOs, COOs, et al, do not visit boards like this and fall into blood pressure raising fits and attack members who ask questions or make observations.
Another thing Synlube can't claim.
quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
1: Don't really care if you think I'm on the payroll of EM. Think what you wamt.
2: You got run off. Nobody there is buying the nonsense you're selling.
3: I can't speak of ARX, but I don't see MMO usere hurl insults if you don't use it. (I use it, and don't care if you do, don't, rail against it, or praise it.)
4: My intentions were to get reliable, third party, data to compare it to my chosen oil. To see if it would be worth switching.
You, kirk, miro, inhal, have combined to convince me that I would be a fool to use it.
Oh, BTW, I also use German Castrol 0w-30. Not something I would admit to if I was on the payroll of Exxon/Mobil.
And why use those? 1: Both on BMW's approval list. 2: Both are ACEA A3/B3. 3: Neither one makes outlandish claims.
Things that Synlube can't claim.
And, the stockholders, CEOs, COOs, et al, do not visit boards like this and fall into blood pressure raising fits and attack members who ask questions or make observations.
Another thing Synlube can't claim.
Trajen,If you're happy with the German castrol what is your point for all the negative post regarding synlube.
A simple no-thanks will suffice,and then you could move on to another thread and tell everyone how thrilled you are with GC. I haven't seen you doing that though. Why??
Why do your remain on the synlube thread??
The reason you remain is because of the obvious,.....you're dying to try it!! It's written all over your face. You just don't have the guts to admit it,..do you? You can't believe that you actually might have been wrong all along and now your desperate to find or create a negative and continue doing so.
Well... bring it on!!
I dont know if he is dying to try it...but im sure he dont want to take the risk killing is engine doing so.
quote:Originally posted by vitual_mage:
I dont know if he is dying to try it...but im sure he dont want to take the risk killing is engine doing so.
How can you be so sure of that? Did you ask him? If he can't handle the stress of trying a new product,that's on him. I had no stress issues doing that when I poured in synlube almost a decade ago into several cars. I did what I deemed to be a reasonable sane amount of research to be confident enough to try it. I have never looked back.
The stress of the truth is another issue he seems to have difficulty with. Trajen already implied to me he was a "sugar daddy",..what's the problem then?? Can't be money!!
The Synlube product says what it does,..and does what it says!! NO STRESS HERE!! NO PROBLEMS!! NO ISSUES!! JUST PROVEN RESULTS!!
quote:Originally posted by vitual_mage:
I dont know if he is dying to try it...but im sure he dont want to take the risk killing is engine doing so.
You are correct my friend. I have no desire to take such a risk.
Gotta love how they keep switching tactics. How he tries to steer it away from a msds.
I see good ol' Johnny-b is back! Johnny-b, after all your outlandish claims, and the attacking nature, of those who didn't hold your "belief" in the wonder product, of the 20th and 21st century. It's probably good that your hiding over here...Johnny-b, you and the product you defend...Have no credibility.
The good captain, I see is bloviating as usual, and as usual... Saying absolutely nothing of importance.....Captain Kirk is a big bag of wind...What can you say about a guy who drives a Yugo? NOT VERY SMART...I imagine the women are just fighting over you, and that turd.
The good captain, I see is bloviating as usual, and as usual... Saying absolutely nothing of importance.....Captain Kirk is a big bag of wind...What can you say about a guy who drives a Yugo? NOT VERY SMART...I imagine the women are just fighting over you, and that turd.
Easy there Nuc. Stick with the facts we know, and all the deflections we're getting.
Their style is hanging themselves.
Their style is hanging themselves.
Sorry...I'm not worked up though. The whole Synlube arguement you have to admit is...COMICAL.
Thought I would just come in and slap em' around a bit...Just to show em' I still care.
Thought I would just come in and slap em' around a bit...Just to show em' I still care.
quote:Originally posted by Nucleardawg:
Sorry...I'm not worked up though. The whole Synlube arguement you have to admit is...COMICAL.
Thought I would just come in and slap em' around a bit...Just to show em' I still care.
quote:Originally posted by Nucleardawg:
I see good ol' Johnny-b is back! Johnny-b, after all your outlandish claims, and the attacking nature, of those who didn't hold your "belief" in the wonder product, of the 20th and 21st century. It's probably good that your hiding over here...Johnny-b, you and the product you defend...Have no credibility.
The good captain, I see is bloviating as usual, and as usual... Saying absolutely nothing of importance.....Captain Kirk is a big bag of wind...What can you say about a guy who drives a Yugo? NOT VERY SMART...I imagine the women are just fighting over you, and that turd.
I drive a 2008 Jeep Grand Cherokee LTD 4.7 v8 I bought new. My wife drives a 2009 mustang we brought new. The women fight over me because I work out and it shows!! One even called the house,...when the wife was home! What can I say! However, I do remain loyal...just want to address that issue before anyone thinks otherwise!!
Yeh I imagine those 'ladies' are real lookers.
quote:Originally posted by Nucleardawg:
Yeh I imagine those 'ladies' are real lookers.
Nucleardawg....... The nuclear segment is really not needed to describe you!!
Don't take the bait Nuclear. Stay on the MSDS.
Such as "this lubricant passed test from Mobil Laboratory" just like Mobil MSDSs.
That hasn't been answered. Did they send it to a Mobil lab?
If so, why?
Do oil makers send it to a competitor's lab? I don't know.
Such as "this lubricant passed test from Mobil Laboratory" just like Mobil MSDSs.
That hasn't been answered. Did they send it to a Mobil lab?
If so, why?
Do oil makers send it to a competitor's lab? I don't know.
Yeh...Back on message...Your right Trajan.
1) The MSDS provided is laughably amateurish
if your going to lie to us Synlube, please in the future do a better job, as your efforts so far, are proving just plain comical.
2) When will the Phantom VOA be provided?
1) The MSDS provided is laughably amateurish
if your going to lie to us Synlube, please in the future do a better job, as your efforts so far, are proving just plain comical.
2) When will the Phantom VOA be provided?
Dear Jhonny B, ok if Captain cannot explain why, as a user can you forward this to Miro so He can explain me why? thanks and regards,
enoch
enoch
quote:Originally posted by enochca:
Dear Captain Kirk,
Can you explain us why in Synlube MSDS this lubricant passed test from Mobil Laboratory? this is same words like MSDS from Mobil1 products....
enoch
I will send him an email if no one else will. I have to give him credit, he always replies in a timely manner and has provided everything I have asked of him.
Enochca this is the portion that applies to your question, taken from a longer email reply.
quote:We do not have environmental Laboratory of our own, and to prove that the "secret formula" components are not environmentally damaging, we had back in 1990's - not sure of the exact date, it tested by Mobil, when it was still Mobil, way before the Exxon takeover. We could say "independent" laboratory, like most companies do, same we could say about the AAA tests, but I have no problem disclosing who did the testing especially if it is major Lab recognized by OHSA, EPA, etc.
quote:PS: The Mobil Environmental Laboratory was closed few weeks after Exxon took over the company and ALL the engineers and scientists lost jobs,