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AHA the always anonymous "Tempest" once again is at it !!!

SynLube Lube-4-Life® is not just PAO, it is a blend of 5 different liquids and 3 different solids in colloidal form, but then if you take time to read information on our web www.synlube.com you would know that by now !@

If Teflon (PTFE) is such a great heat insulator, then explain how it is possible to fry eggs on a pan that has this great heat insulator on it ? How can you boil a water in a pot that has 1.5 mm Teflon coating on it ?

Just think a bit before you make uneducated statements.
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If Teflon (PTFE) is such a great heat insulator, then explain how it is possible to fry eggs on a pan that has this great heat insulator on it ? How can you boil a water in a pot that has 1.5 mm Teflon coating on it ?Just think a bit before you make uneducated statements.


Miro, Tempest won't get it. Your example wasn't simple enought for him to understand...
All I can say for all that are skeptic in this product is, it works. I´m an engineer in the petro industry and have been using Synlube in my 2007 Ford Focus going on 20k now without issue. I also plan on using the product in my daughters new 2009 Honda Accord and feel it provides a number of benifits over the conventional market.
The returned SynLube is reprocessed, and generaly sold to Government fleets, that operate under the President Clintons Executive Order that requires the use of RE-REfined or Re-processed Motor Oil in order to be qualified for Government Grants and other fleet subsidies.

The Price for the re-processed Motor Oil is $50.00 per liter

And of course your tax money pays for it, so you can just as well enjoy it FREE !!!

You pay $32.00 a liter for it, then when you are done we give you the $32.00 back.

But only few Einsteins have ever figured out that the use of SynLube is only the cost of the 3 to 5 filters used during vehicles typical useful life and the few Liters that it will "burn".

The oil consumption ranges from the worst of about 300 to 900 miles to Liter (PORSCHE TURBO) to as low as 35,000 miles (Some F-150 trucks, and few Toyota engines).

Filters if they are returned are cut appart for examination, the worst I have seen in 26 years was from Chevy AVEO !!!

Generally the stuff found in the filter tells us how good the engine construction and assembly quality is, as the performance of SynLube is a known constant since the last formulation change in 1985.

Thus we can tell which engine is made where and how good it is....
http://lube4life.com/PR201001.htm

Another car goes 122,300 miles without oil changes !
SynLube's Lube-4-Life® System makes it possible.

http://lube4life.com/PR201001.htm

Just try that one with Delvac 1

for your information we have been selling the Delvac 1 to our fleet customers
for 16 years, as in some high oil consumption applications SynLube is just not
cost effective.

Delvac 1 is quite good motor oil what is even less known that SynLube since
Mobil and now ExxonMobil keeps it as a big secret, that is they loose money on
every gallon they sell, do not ask me why, that is their problem!

Their answer to me was, we only use it as "problem solver" where the Delvac 1200 or Delvac 1300 just wont do the job.

We sell it to our fleet customers, few times we tried e-bay, but that was a waste of time.
"The returned SynLube is reprocessed, and generaly sold to Government fleets""


I doubt that since I do not think that was an Executive Order I though it was on a farm bill but even if Executive Order it only requires that re refined base oil used to blend new lubricants MAY be used in Goverment fleets BUT that the oil MUST be a price and performance equal to virgin so $50 quart or even per gallon will not fly compared to virgin.

And "reprocessed" will it API requirments as new?

""In order to be qualified for Government Grants and other fleet subsidies""

What grants? please post where this is spelled out I can not find.

bruce
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Originally posted by Taterandnoodles:
Heres an easy one. What company name are you using to sell reprocessed lubricant to the government or what is your GSA contract number?



I HATE to do this, but, well......

Popcorn, get your popcorn here!

Also, popcorn can be consumed by crickets.
I am new here,but have been using synlube for almost ten years now. I have found the Re-Refined oil info on the net in 3 minutes!!! It's under Executive order 13101,...so Miro was spot-on correct. Skeptics, can you do a little investigative research on your own!!! Re-refined oil info is all over the net!!!

I would also like to mention that synlube is for-real,and does and is working like stated in all my vehicles,...lawn mower,snow blower,pressure washer,etc. The equipment falls apart around the engine,until one now has "junk" with a perfectly good engine!!!
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It's under Executive order 13101,...so Miro was spot-on correct


no not at all if the synlube is re refined and the resulting base oil is used to make a new lube then YES it must be looked at by the precurement dept. But how is synlube "reproscessed"? BUT also the product also has to

""meet the reasonable performance standards of the procuring agencies""

And must not be

""available at an unreasonable price""

If virgin oil ia $5 per gallon how or why would any goverment agency buy $20 or $30 per QUART "reproscessed" synlube?

also where are the goverment grants?
you may not know that todays modern re refining will product a base oil as good as virgin which when blended with he correct additive systems will make as good a virgin auto oil. This is a large capitol equipment investment similar to a lube oil refiner and as such due to very high gallon through put drianed synlube would be mixed with untold other gallons of drianed oil and the resulting base stock then could be used to make "new" lube that would apply to the Executive order 13101 if that is the correct one. So per this order there is no way to just "reprocess" synlube and re sell it best you can do is to re refine it and get the good base oil out to which additives to make new oil have to be added.
Yes, I know about virgin oil and re-refined oil being about equal,with the re-refined better actually if its done right.

However,you are not a blender like Miro, and would not know what his tax structure is?? I will not say miro actually received 50/quart directly or otherwise, such as a tax credit. Why don't you contact his CPA,or even your TAX man if he is informed about such a program...tax laws are monumental. My CPA informs me of things every year that even he can't believe.

I did ship back to Miro one gallon of used synlube when I traded my car and he sent me back one gallon free and free shipping too. I only had to pay to ship him the used oil,why would he do that if he was not getting credit back to justify this,it would not make sense. I put the new oil he sent me in a new v6 stang.

It is amazing that even though "I" found the info on the net validating his claim regarding the executive order that others denied it still is not good enough, but I expected that as usual. One can always make some argument.

Would anybody like to inquire about my now 8 years experience with the product in foreign and domestic engines,new and used. We can talk about what the government does some other time,.....another lost cause!!!
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
I am new here,but have been using synlube for almost ten years now. I have found the Re-Refined oil info on the net in 3 minutes!!! It's under Executive order 13101,...so Miro was spot-on correct. Skeptics, can you do a little investigative research on your own!!! Re-refined oil info is all over the net!!!

I would also like to mention that synlube is for-real,and does and is working like stated in all my vehicles,...lawn mower,snow blower,pressure washer,etc. The equipment falls apart around the engine,until one now has "junk" with a perfectly good engine!!!


My question has nothing to do with finding the executive order.

I want to know what company name or GSA contract number they are selling it through. It is not required to have a GSA contract but the use of GSA contracts by agencies is preferable over open market purchases.

FYI the federal and state governments have access to all of the major oil companys products via GSA contracts. If they wish they can purchase products from Exxon-Mobil including Mobil 1, Chevron, Sopus etc etc. If they choose to go a greener route via GSA contract they can also purchase products like GET G-oil.

Mantek? I have not heard of that one, but its available. They provide engine oil but also industrial oils.

http://www.gsa.gov/Portal/gsa/...RVIEW&contentId=8106

I should add I have tried searching under the company names that I thought would generate a return with no luck including Oka, Mirox, Synlube I even tried simply searching Miro's name etc. My best guess is he is not albe to offer it at a high enough volume and is selling it locally.
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WOW I was reading about this on another site, this argument has been going on for years now. Still no VOA or UOA reports? This product is so advanced no lab is capable of analyzing it? Yea OK. Americans want to see proof, before they spend the kind of money this oil costs, so far all I see is hype by people planted here to post about the product. Anyone want to buy a bridge? LOL

AD
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
WOW I was reading about this on another site, this argument has been going on for years now. Still no VOA or UOA reports?


That is not entirely correct. There is a UOA posted by Houckster in this very thread, its pretty far back now. I did not find it particularly helpful. There is a second on BITOG in the last Synlube thread. I personally found that one far more interesting and it appears to match the values posted on synlube.com. I am unaware of any others being posted.

I would be interested in seeming any others if anyone knows of any.
How do we prove the miles on the oil are actual? Unless a well respected member sent in the sample, I have no reason to believe any of it. Sorry, I blame being born and raised in NY, for my lack of trust.

I also read on the other site how defensive, sarcastic, and hostile the shills were.

Tater this isn't directed at u.

AD
That is why sending in a sample of the lube-4-life is a waste of time,because it will be dismissed for this or that reason!!! I think someone here if they are curious enough like I was over 8 years ago will have to take the plunge and go for it!! The posts have at least proven the curiosity level is there!

I tested it out on several of my "beater"(older with 100k) used cars as an "experiment". They all had very good engines in them at the start or I would not have bothered. I perform all my own work and repairs and figured if one of the engines started having any issues I could just change back to Amsoil and even do a flush. I am very much into maintenance and pay very close attention to my vehicles and listen to everything etc. It's almost an obsession!!

The 1996 buick riviera got the synlube at 114k and was traded in at 176k because the transmission was acting up and I was due for a new car anyway. The engine was flawless(3800 series II),and was flawless and running absolutely perfect at trade in. It was late at night and I never had the chance to even drain the oil out in that case. Synlube gives 100% credit for used oil,I got the credit using the pontiac oil when it was traded in.

The purpose was to first prove synlube lube-4-life before I installed in a new car which I finally did.

UOA has its place,but if the engine is running perfect,starts perfect at 5 degrees(no noises ever),economy always 23mpg,passes inspection etc., I never bothered. The best test would be to pull the motor apart and inspect for sludge,"mike" everything up etc., No UOA could do that!!

The NY taxi cap test with slick-50 involved pulling the engines apart before and after to measure all the specs and quantify all wear. That would be the right way to prove anything and that's why it was done. Not sure if they did uoa.

I did however on occasion peak into the valve cover with the oil fill cap/extension off all cars and saw only a clean,no sludge,no varnish environment. Very impressed by this.The synlube actually cleaned any varnish that was on the dipsticks,what can I say,it's true.

There must be some motor heads in this group somewhere with "credibility" who could prove what I already know to be true. This has been going on for years now,that is correct!! That should at least lend a good deal of credibility to the product,it's still around now for decades!! Wouldn't the FTC,or ripoff report, or major negative press be out there by now. That is why I decided to use it,....only good press,none bad that I could find,...and I looked.

Cars that had or still have this oil are, 2001 vw 1.8t 2009 mustang v6, 1991 cadillac 4.9(totaled),1995 pontiac 3.1(traded with-38k on oil,7 years) ,1996 buick riviera(traded-60k on oil,5 years), 2008 Jeep 4.7 v8.

Even though I did not put 100k on oil,it still is impressive. All cars had "severe" miles on them!!

I tried using castrol syntec in a 1986 regal 5.0 going 7,500,and had issues with sludge!! I flushed out the engine and went to amsoil at that time and did 10k changes,no problem,sold car with 190k. Store bought oils can't or shouldn't do extended oil changes,even mobile one states this now,its on the back of the bottle. Therefore going 60k is very impressive with zero issues using the synlube at the very least.
Captain Kirk: Since you seem to have the hotline to Miro. Perhaps you should notify him, that according to The State of Nevada, Department of Taxation, the Synlube business license is shown as PERMANENTLY REVOKED. This information is for public viewing on the Nevada state Department of Taxation, search for business entity, and type in Synlube. It clearly shows the business license as REVOKED and PERMANENTLY REVOKED at that!!

Also the Southern Nevada BBB gives Synlube a rating of (F). It is stated that the reason for that rating is it is not legally licensed to operate. This info is available for viewing on the Southern Nevada BBB website as well.

You should also notify Miro that his MIROX corp, is currently in default to the State of Nevada as well. The only facts that I have been able to verify concerning Synlube is that they are not legally licensed to operate in Nevada. I for one would not trust a company to warranty my engine, when they can't even pay there taxes....That is the only truth I can verify about Synlube folks. You can look it up as well, and verify for yourselves.
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Originally posted by Nucleardawg:
And still nothing from all the "Synluber's" Your silence tell's all, about the credibility of Synlube.

Captain Kirk, Jonny-B, Houckster, and yes you Miro...What a load of **it.


That is some interesting information. So I wonder why the synlube website has not been shutdown,and Miro is not sitting in jail rignt now??,...I know I would be!!! Where is the FTC,FBI etc.etc. If any company were actually in that much trouble of doing all of that they would have been gone long ago,taken away by the feds and put in jail.

We are not talking about some business on the side of the road. This company has a website and full exposure!!! Try doing all those criminal acts yourself with a website and major exposure for even 1 day,let alone decades,... and see how far you get!!

You better be hiding in a cave somewhere,outside of the US.
Ahh, so here is where they fled.

OK, lets just ignore all the hard selling and attacks on those who dare to question this "Holy Grail"

I just want some basic answers.

The TBN of M1 0w-40 is 11.3

The TBN of synlube is?

The HTHS of M1 0w-40 is 3.7

The HTHS of synlube is?

M1 0w-40 is rated ACEA A3/B3

synlube is not. Either it hasn't been tested, or it has been and failed.

So, why should I buy it? And none of this save the Earth crap. If you are that concerned about it, you wouldn't need synlube because you wouldn't be driving...
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Ahh, so here is where they fled.

OK, lets just ignore all the hard selling and attacks on those who dare to question this "Holy Grail"

I just want some basic answers.

The TBN of M1 0w-40 is 11.3

The TBN of synlube is?

The HTHS of M1 0w-40 is 3.7

The HTHS of synlube is?

M1 0w-40 is rated ACEA A3/B3

synlube is not. Either it hasn't been tested, or it has been and failed.

So, why should I buy it? And none of this save the Earth crap. If you are that concerned about it, you wouldn't need synlube because you wouldn't be driving...

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30 pages of people endlessly demanding answers to this question and that question. None of the answers to your endless demands/questions have made any differece to opinions one way or another on this thread. Personally, I think the product has merit, though, I have not used it. Only what I've read and various testimonials. Too many blenders and people having taken night course on motor oils. Doubting Thomas don't normally realize the truth when they bump into it.
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I just want some basic answers.

The TBN of M1 0w-40 is 11.3

The TBN of synlube is?

The HTHS of M1 0w-40 is 3.7

The HTHS of synlube is?

M1 0w-40 is rated ACEA A3/B3

synlube is not. Either it hasn't been tested, or it has been and failed.


Odd that in 30 pages these questions weren't answered. Oil companies might not disclose certain info, but this basic info is readily available.

AD
Again Synlube does not have a valid business license...It has been PERMANENTLY REVOKED...The Southern Nevada BBB gives them a rating of (F). These facts are verifiable via the State of Nevada, and the BBB.

These are the only facts, that you can verify of this sham of a company. Ask yourself why would you trust a company that doesn't have a business license? His Mirox corp is currently in default, to the state of Nevada, he can't pay his taxes pure and simple...This is a sham of a company. Anything else posted by the people promoting this product is HOT AIR...

Perhaps an e-mail should be sent to the Nevada Department of Taxation, notifying them that this company, does business illegally...What a joke!!
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