Dont worry miro i will enjoy building my jeep,and no i wont try your product,since the only people who should use it in your book,are people living in the perfect condition,perfect environment,new vehicle since anything over 100k is trash.The way you treat potential customer is unheard off,you are extremely rude and using multiple account to defend yourself is quite low.....and dont talk about car or truck when you know absolutely nothing about them,dont worry more and more people know about your scam and luckily with Internet the one who dont know will eventually.
Read our primer articles on High Mileage Oil, Synthetic Oil and Kinematic Viscosity
quote:Originally posted by vitual_mage:
Dont worry miro i will enjoy building my jeep,and no i wont try your product,since the only people who should use it in your book,are people living in the perfect condition,perfect environment,new vehicle since anything over 100k is trash.The way you treat potential customer is unheard off,you are extremely rude and using multiple account to defend yourself is quite low.....and dont talk about car or truck when you know absolutely nothing about them,dont worry more and more people know about your scam and luckily with Internet the one who dont know will eventually.
Vitual,why are you responding to Miro?? The last couple of posts were by me(captain kirk). If we are going to have any dialogue at all,you have to at least keep track of who made the last post,...and by the way,...it is you who is rude and abnoxious!! If you have never used synlube, you can't make any sound opinion period!!
Spend the next few years doing research on the lubricant and then you will not only be educated,but over 21 as well!!!
quote:Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
you will not only be educated,but over 21 as well!!!
Oh the irony......
The irony is that i work in a mine,tar sand.....where we making synthetic crude oil,we running the biggest truck in the world Caterpillar 797b,and even with the best oil recycling system in the world,they still have to do oil change every 500 hours....if a product could make these truck run longer then that ,believe me they would know about it and use it.
Miro i have a question someone just made my day with one of your vehicle on your site.
:1987 YUGO GV
He estimates the car had over 400,000 miles on it. But since YUGO odometers do not register over 99,999 and roll over to "zero" the odometer has been showing only 52,117 miles when the car was traded-in.We can add that to the rx7,the movie star on her hood and the 1.5l MK2 vw golf?
:1987 YUGO GV
He estimates the car had over 400,000 miles on it. But since YUGO odometers do not register over 99,999 and roll over to "zero" the odometer has been showing only 52,117 miles when the car was traded-in.We can add that to the rx7,the movie star on her hood and the 1.5l MK2 vw golf?
Capt K, did you just say that one cannot form an opinion of a lubricant unless it is tried frst?
Even a trained and qualified professional?
Even a trained and qualified professional?
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When someone starts new identity every day, taht alone is suspect, when no e-mail or no name is given , even more so
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When someone starts new identity every day, taht alone is suspect, when no e-mail or no name is given , even more so
Date Registered: Mon November 13 2006
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Why did you join this forum?: For knowledge of lubricant issues
RobertC
On teh other hand people like you I do take seriously and for sure how can you form any opinion if it is not suppoerted by a fact ?
Can you with 100% certainity, that you are willing to bet your life on predict how a pizza will taste, without ever smelling it, seeing it or God no ! Tasting it ?
When it comes to lubes no amount of past experience can make you predict or understand anything that you have not used.
Especially when the lubricant is NOT liquid, but a colloid - there is entire science "colloidal chemistry" that did not even exist when petroleum lubes were used on locomotives.
Tribology as a science did not even had a name before 1966.
No one could buy SynLube privately before 1985 as it was classified as a "strategic material" and you had to get clearance from Department of Defense to use it.
If you have never seen a drop of it, then you have no basis to make any comment on the product itself you can only express your expert opinion on OTHER CONVENTIONAL LUBES.
And that is my opinion and belief based on fact....
Karma Title: Level 3 - 101 to 250 posts
Location: Maryland
Why did you join this forum?: For knowledge of lubricant issues
RobertC
On teh other hand people like you I do take seriously and for sure how can you form any opinion if it is not suppoerted by a fact ?
Can you with 100% certainity, that you are willing to bet your life on predict how a pizza will taste, without ever smelling it, seeing it or God no ! Tasting it ?
When it comes to lubes no amount of past experience can make you predict or understand anything that you have not used.
Especially when the lubricant is NOT liquid, but a colloid - there is entire science "colloidal chemistry" that did not even exist when petroleum lubes were used on locomotives.
Tribology as a science did not even had a name before 1966.
No one could buy SynLube privately before 1985 as it was classified as a "strategic material" and you had to get clearance from Department of Defense to use it.
If you have never seen a drop of it, then you have no basis to make any comment on the product itself you can only express your expert opinion on OTHER CONVENTIONAL LUBES.
And that is my opinion and belief based on fact....
There are only so many co-incidences
On Noria there is SynLube thread for over 5 years, yet every now and then 4 to 7 people that do not disclose their name, location or anything else, have the "same" objections, prose, etc.
and they ALWAYS all join in mater of days or hours of each other.
AND NEVER post anything to other threads !?
If that is not rather obvious that it is the SAME person, then voila !!!
It must be a conspiracy - and just try to get 5 to 7 separate totally different people agree on anything... and you will realize that the probability of such event is eclipsed by KENO win.
But of course I did know a woman once that claimed to have 3 split personalities.... but that is yet another story, nothing to do with Lubrication.
No one in 25 years that SynLube ahs been available to public in USA (initially only as OEM lube in BERTONE X1/9) has ever complained of any problem, NEVER
How many Sludged up CASTROL, MOBIL, SHELL engines can you find ?
VW, TOYOTA, CHRYSLER, - in thousands.
Why then would anyone put PENNZOIL, QUAKER STATE, SHELL, MOBIL, CASTROL, etc. into ANY vehicle after all there is documented proof that engines that used the stuff failed, and not just few, over 9,000 of them to date?
Someone must really be blinded by the advertising $$$ to not to even admit that has and is happening.....
And what abotu the 10 to 15% of oil sold in USA that is classified as API SA, where do you think that ends up ???
On Noria there is SynLube thread for over 5 years, yet every now and then 4 to 7 people that do not disclose their name, location or anything else, have the "same" objections, prose, etc.
and they ALWAYS all join in mater of days or hours of each other.
AND NEVER post anything to other threads !?
If that is not rather obvious that it is the SAME person, then voila !!!
It must be a conspiracy - and just try to get 5 to 7 separate totally different people agree on anything... and you will realize that the probability of such event is eclipsed by KENO win.
But of course I did know a woman once that claimed to have 3 split personalities.... but that is yet another story, nothing to do with Lubrication.
No one in 25 years that SynLube ahs been available to public in USA (initially only as OEM lube in BERTONE X1/9) has ever complained of any problem, NEVER
How many Sludged up CASTROL, MOBIL, SHELL engines can you find ?
VW, TOYOTA, CHRYSLER, - in thousands.
Why then would anyone put PENNZOIL, QUAKER STATE, SHELL, MOBIL, CASTROL, etc. into ANY vehicle after all there is documented proof that engines that used the stuff failed, and not just few, over 9,000 of them to date?
Someone must really be blinded by the advertising $$$ to not to even admit that has and is happening.....
And what abotu the 10 to 15% of oil sold in USA that is classified as API SA, where do you think that ends up ???
You really have lost it. You whine how there are people who only post in a synlube thread. Can you point out all the thread here you posted in?
I wonder if you realize that people tend to post in a thread that they have an interest in?
You're grasping at straws. Your persecution compplex is in full cry.
Why don't you post accurate, verifiable, data on this miracle product instead of this nonsensical gasconade of yours?
9,000 engines failed due to using oils of proven ability? List them.
I wonder if you realize that people tend to post in a thread that they have an interest in?
You're grasping at straws. Your persecution compplex is in full cry.
Why don't you post accurate, verifiable, data on this miracle product instead of this nonsensical gasconade of yours?
9,000 engines failed due to using oils of proven ability? List them.
Im a French Canadian ,i now live in Alberta and its quite obvious.Yes people join to stop your shady business ,you attacked so many people on different forum that some do take it personal now,sadly some people will believe your claim and they need to be advise about your scam.You look down on anything over 100 000k saying its trash,saying that Mazda engine are badly design and will destroy themselves without your magic oil,telling people to get rid of their Honda hybrid,causes after 30 000k the transmission will destroy itself...unless we use your product from the start.You telling people how we can judge without being a specialist,saying we are not engineer or scientist , well ill ask you how can you talk about other vehicle without being a mechanics?
No one could buy SynLube privately before 1985 as it was classified as a "strategic material" and you had to get clearance from Department of Defense to use it.
Explain to me why on your site you can find this then :
1983 BERTONE X1/9
owner Patty Warren, Las Vegas NV
Synner since 2/6/1984 @ 1,800 miles
1984 BERTONE X1/9
owner Elizabeth Doris, Jupiter Hollow, CA
Synner since 2/26/1984 @ 800 miles
1980 FIAT-BERTONE X1/9
owner: Steve Bell, Burbank, CA
Synner since 11/1979 @ 600 miles
1979 MASERATI MERAK
owner: Gloria Viederstein, San Francisco, CA
Synner since June 1980 @ 700 miles
1978 FIAT X1/9
Current owner Daniel Gotlieb, NM
Synner since 10/1979 @ 6,000 miles
No one could buy SynLube privately before 1985 as it was classified as a "strategic material" and you had to get clearance from Department of Defense to use it.
Explain to me why on your site you can find this then :
1983 BERTONE X1/9
owner Patty Warren, Las Vegas NV
Synner since 2/6/1984 @ 1,800 miles
1984 BERTONE X1/9
owner Elizabeth Doris, Jupiter Hollow, CA
Synner since 2/26/1984 @ 800 miles
1980 FIAT-BERTONE X1/9
owner: Steve Bell, Burbank, CA
Synner since 11/1979 @ 600 miles
1979 MASERATI MERAK
owner: Gloria Viederstein, San Francisco, CA
Synner since June 1980 @ 700 miles
1978 FIAT X1/9
Current owner Daniel Gotlieb, NM
Synner since 10/1979 @ 6,000 miles
quote:Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:
No one could buy SynLube privately before 1985 as it was classified as a "strategic material" and you had to get clearance from Department of Defense to use it.
....
Yeah, sure. Can you provide the verifiable evidence of that?
Here perhaps? http://www.globalsecurity.org/.../report/1988/JGA.htm
Here?
http://www.emporia.edu/earthsc...natalie/newindex.htm
They either worked for NASA, JPL, Boeing or Lockheed (or their spouses did)
As simple as that first USA user was NASA engineer and used it in his wife'd Rolls Royce
Also SynLube was then available freely in Canada to anyone, that is how Russians bought it for their space program applications, the use was only restricted in USA.
So if you are Canadian yuo coudl ahve had it in your vehicle years before any US "private" citizen could buy it at any cost.
SynLube was manufactured in Vancouver BC from 1966 to 1989.
Since 1989 it has been made in DoE complex in Mercury, NV (also know as Nevada test site or area 51, hence the alians always used it !!!)
As simple as that first USA user was NASA engineer and used it in his wife'd Rolls Royce
Also SynLube was then available freely in Canada to anyone, that is how Russians bought it for their space program applications, the use was only restricted in USA.
So if you are Canadian yuo coudl ahve had it in your vehicle years before any US "private" citizen could buy it at any cost.
SynLube was manufactured in Vancouver BC from 1966 to 1989.
Since 1989 it has been made in DoE complex in Mercury, NV (also know as Nevada test site or area 51, hence the alians always used it !!!)
BERTONE also used SynLube as OEM fluid fill (as an option) first vehicles were imported in November 1982 to USA.
It was sold as ITAL GTM (Graphite Teflon Moly)
and not as SynLube, our web also is rather clear about that, just read it.
It was sold as ITAL GTM (Graphite Teflon Moly)
and not as SynLube, our web also is rather clear about that, just read it.
quote:vitual_mage
So you are the one that got upset because you wanted to use SynLube in vehicle that has over 120,000 miles and we explained to you why that is not such a hip idea because the SynLube would be worth more than your vehicle !
Randy D - I know who you are !!! (now)
You really made my day,at least i had a great laugh,when you start talking about the NASA and such,never taught ill be so lucky to be Canadian.By the way the water pump in the VW are tough even if the impeller is in plastic,i use to be a big fan of VW and strangely,i never seen or heard about a water pump failing.....had windows falling down,electric problem,alternator,heater core but water pump ? Vehicle in these day in age have never been so reliable,but without your help we are all doom,sorry everyone,you cant keep your vehicle more then 5 year unless you use synlube .
No its not me,my name is Eric im Canadian we dont use miles but kilometer ....my vehicle is a wrangler jk 2009,the engine is currently at 30 000k,i expect him to last for at least 250 000k without any major overhaul.I have read on many post how you treat people with higher mileage vehicle....my past vehicle?
vw jetta 1990 die around 420 000k
Mazda rx7 mileage in unknown since the engine was from another vehicle and been rebuilt.
Toyota trueno ae86 engine was fine over 240 000k on it ....was just a stupid teenager and totalled it.
Toyota 4runner 1989,over 200 000 killed it in a river...did hydro lock the engine.
Chevy cavalier 1993 , did sell it around 170 000 k and last time i heard was still running.
No its not me,my name is Eric im Canadian we dont use miles but kilometer ....my vehicle is a wrangler jk 2009,the engine is currently at 30 000k,i expect him to last for at least 250 000k without any major overhaul.I have read on many post how you treat people with higher mileage vehicle....my past vehicle?
vw jetta 1990 die around 420 000k
Mazda rx7 mileage in unknown since the engine was from another vehicle and been rebuilt.
Toyota trueno ae86 engine was fine over 240 000k on it ....was just a stupid teenager and totalled it.
Toyota 4runner 1989,over 200 000 killed it in a river...did hydro lock the engine.
Chevy cavalier 1993 , did sell it around 170 000 k and last time i heard was still running.
quote:Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:
Date Registered: Mon November 13 2006
Karma Title: Level 3 - 101 to 250 posts
Location: Maryland
Why did you join this forum?: For knowledge of lubricant issues
RobertC
On teh other hand people like you I do take seriously and for sure how can you form any opinion if it is not suppoerted by a fact ?
Can you with 100% certainity, that you are willing to bet your life on predict how a pizza will taste, without ever smelling it, seeing it or God no ! Tasting it ?
When it comes to lubes no amount of past experience can make you predict or understand anything that you have not used.
Especially when the lubricant is NOT liquid, but a colloid - there is entire science "colloidal chemistry" that did not even exist when petroleum lubes were used on locomotives.
Tribology as a science did not even had a name before 1966.
No one could buy SynLube privately before 1985 as it was classified as a "strategic material" and you had to get clearance from Department of Defense to use it.
If you have never seen a drop of it, then you have no basis to make any comment on the product itself you can only express your expert opinion on OTHER CONVENTIONAL LUBES.
And that is my opinion and belief based on fact....
The plural of anecdote is not data.
Data data data.
Real, verifiable, trustworthy data.
quote:Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:
They either worked for NASA, JPL, Boeing or Lockheed (or their spouses did)
As simple as that first USA user was NASA engineer and used it in his wife'd Rolls Royce
Also SynLube was then available freely in Canada to anyone, that is how Russians bought it for their space program applications, the use was only restricted in USA.
So if you are Canadian yuo coudl ahve had it in your vehicle years before any US "private" citizen could buy it at any cost.
SynLube was manufactured in Vancouver BC from 1966 to 1989.
Since 1989 it has been made in DoE complex in Mercury, NV (also know as Nevada test site or area 51, hence the alians always used it !!!)
So, theft from a goverment facility?
I had to read it twice....i mean Now synlube is used in space ship to !Beam me up scotty,no wonder you using capitain_kirk as another nick name lol .I just realized i dont even need to warm people against you....you look like a fool without help!
Since 1989 it has been made in DoE complex in Mercury, NV (also know as Nevada test site or area 51, hence the alians always used it !!!)
Since 1989 it has been made in DoE complex in Mercury, NV (also know as Nevada test site or area 51, hence the alians always used it !!!)
quote:Originally posted by RobertC:
Data data data.
Real, verifiable, trustworthy data.
Something we haven't seen yet.
Where is teh FTP-75 test for any oil sold by SHELL, ExxonMobil, AMSOIL, BP ?
We have done it FORD vehicle, AAA Lab, no one from SynLube touched the car for 82,000 miles.
No Oil company is willing to run FTP-75 even with their recommended oil changes !!!
And how come when you use their "oil" when the vehicle is over 75,000 miles they tell you you now have to use "high mileage" oil as their regular oil just sludged up your engine and caused seals to harden.
None of you have even noticed that one ?
Any set of any data in one point in time has no value, only a long documented trend, like retention of low emissions for over 100,000 miles is far more valuable.
Why don't you ask you favorite Oil Company to provide such test data ?
We have done it FORD vehicle, AAA Lab, no one from SynLube touched the car for 82,000 miles.
No Oil company is willing to run FTP-75 even with their recommended oil changes !!!
And how come when you use their "oil" when the vehicle is over 75,000 miles they tell you you now have to use "high mileage" oil as their regular oil just sludged up your engine and caused seals to harden.
None of you have even noticed that one ?
Any set of any data in one point in time has no value, only a long documented trend, like retention of low emissions for over 100,000 miles is far more valuable.
Why don't you ask you favorite Oil Company to provide such test data ?
quote:Originally posted by Trajan:quote:Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:
No one could buy SynLube privately before 1985 as it was classified as a "strategic material" and you had to get clearance from Department of Defense to use it.
....
Yeah, sure. Can you provide the verifiable evidence of that?
Here perhaps? http://www.globalsecurity.org/.../report/1988/JGA.htm
Here?
http://www.emporia.edu/earthsc...natalie/newindex.htm
Well????????????????? This is a thread about synlube, isn't it?
Dodging the questions and relying on misdirection and deflection isn't going to change that.
BTW, none of my vehicles, all of which have gone over 100,000 miles on non synlube oil, have ever failed any emmision test.
http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/cycles/ftp75.html.
The FTP-75 (Federal Test Procedure) has been used for emission certification of light duty vehicles in the U.S. Effective model year 2000, vehicles have to be additionally tested on two Supplemental Federal Test Procedures (SFTP) designed to address shortcomings with the FTP-75 in the representation of (1) aggressive, high speed driving (US06), and (2) the use of air conditioning (SC03).
The FTP-75 cycle is derived from the FTP-72 cycle by adding a third phase of 505s, identical to the first phase of FTP-72 but with a hot start. The third phase starts after the engine is stopped for 10 minutes. Thus, the entire FTP-75 cycle consists of the following segments:
1.cold start phase
2.transient phase
3.hot start phase.
The following are basic parameters of the cycle:
•Distance traveled: 11.04 miles (17.77 km)
•Duration: 1874s
•Average speed: 21.2 mph (34.1 km/h).
Why would an oil company run an emission test when this test is for a vehicle?
Oh, I never used high milage oil either.
The only measure of Engine Lubricant performance that any Automotive Engineer will recognize is the effect on emissions (lower emissions is better; poor lubricant will increase tail pipe emissions by up to 20%); duration of such effect (over useful vehicle life as defined by Clean Air Act = 75,000 miles or 150,000 miles if PZEV in California ONLY); effect on fuel consumption (less fuel used when compared to "control oil SAE 20W-30" is better); duration of the fuel consumption effect (only 2,000 miles for most API licensed oils, and over 82,000 for SynLube)
1.8% MPG improvement City
3% MPG improvement Highway
Emission reduction compared to SAE 5W-20 OEM Fill 50% on average. (CO, HC, NOx)
Emission at 100,000 miles lower than OEM (FORD)certification test at 4,000 miles
NO OTHER LUBRICANT AT ANY PRICE CAN DO IT.
Project Description: SynLube Lubricants Long Term Test
AAA Project Identification Number: 81
Project Number: 2002-0317-1
Project Begin Date: 2/26/2002
Project Finish Date: 7/6/2007
NO OIL COMPANY can or ever will run a test for 5 years, as every 3 to 4 years they change the formulations, mainly because they are unable to meet the latest OEM specifications with their current products.
Sensible people will argue for 5 years or more when they do not have any proof, but since their ego was hurt because they can not afford a decent vehicle and drive what US Congress (hey you elected them ?) determined to be a CLUNKER (anything that is pre 2001).
If vehicles are as durable as some of you think they are why do 14 to 16 million vehicles annualy get junked ?
And why are you not still driving 1950's someting ?
PS: IRS defines even today "vehicle useful life" to be 5 years or 50,000 miles - so if you have ANY legitimate business you can depreciate it to ZERO in those two alternatives.
1.8% MPG improvement City
3% MPG improvement Highway
Emission reduction compared to SAE 5W-20 OEM Fill 50% on average. (CO, HC, NOx)
Emission at 100,000 miles lower than OEM (FORD)certification test at 4,000 miles
NO OTHER LUBRICANT AT ANY PRICE CAN DO IT.
Project Description: SynLube Lubricants Long Term Test
AAA Project Identification Number: 81
Project Number: 2002-0317-1
Project Begin Date: 2/26/2002
Project Finish Date: 7/6/2007
NO OIL COMPANY can or ever will run a test for 5 years, as every 3 to 4 years they change the formulations, mainly because they are unable to meet the latest OEM specifications with their current products.
Sensible people will argue for 5 years or more when they do not have any proof, but since their ego was hurt because they can not afford a decent vehicle and drive what US Congress (hey you elected them ?) determined to be a CLUNKER (anything that is pre 2001).
If vehicles are as durable as some of you think they are why do 14 to 16 million vehicles annualy get junked ?
And why are you not still driving 1950's someting ?
PS: IRS defines even today "vehicle useful life" to be 5 years or 50,000 miles - so if you have ANY legitimate business you can depreciate it to ZERO in those two alternatives.
How silly, have you ever performed FTP-75 test on any vehicle you own ?
Especially since the test costs more than the 100,000 mile clunker ???
WAHT A JOKE !!!
You are getting cougut in your own lies...
Especially since the test costs more than the 100,000 mile clunker ???
WAHT A JOKE !!!
You are getting cougut in your own lies...
Miro..you are quite the expert in getting cough in your own lie...
Oil company have to change their formula to meet new standard ,the best example is sulphur which was a main component in lots of oil and even fuel before .You saying non stop did other company provide this and that.....well why dont you? The only question ,in every forum ever asked to you is data.Suddenly your product user show up and damn they know much about the product,i mean they almost seems to know more about it then yourself.When we ask number you treat us like we are idiot and moron,try to act like a victim and at the end still avoid the original question data....then you claim no one can read that data ,i mean you are the only specialist in the world.
So smart you cant even afford a proper web page
,even back in the days,front page was a laughing stock ,why use front page when you can do your own coding in html. But its true you are friend with Bill Gates and he use your oil in a Lamborghini ,while the only car Gates did even own was Porsche .
Your lie have become so big,so unbelievable,so incredible,its time for you to realize in what kind of mess your put yourself in .
And sorry to the mods,ill try to keep with more constructive post in the future,ill say its the first time someone online put me that much on the defensives.I just wish they where law against scam and because my rig is one of my passion ,get told my truck is a piece of junk really make me ...well.My last post on this matter,i did troll enough in that matter i admit it.
Oil company have to change their formula to meet new standard ,the best example is sulphur which was a main component in lots of oil and even fuel before .You saying non stop did other company provide this and that.....well why dont you? The only question ,in every forum ever asked to you is data.Suddenly your product user show up and damn they know much about the product,i mean they almost seems to know more about it then yourself.When we ask number you treat us like we are idiot and moron,try to act like a victim and at the end still avoid the original question data....then you claim no one can read that data ,i mean you are the only specialist in the world.
So smart you cant even afford a proper web page
,even back in the days,front page was a laughing stock ,why use front page when you can do your own coding in html. But its true you are friend with Bill Gates and he use your oil in a Lamborghini ,while the only car Gates did even own was Porsche .
Your lie have become so big,so unbelievable,so incredible,its time for you to realize in what kind of mess your put yourself in .
And sorry to the mods,ill try to keep with more constructive post in the future,ill say its the first time someone online put me that much on the defensives.I just wish they where law against scam and because my rig is one of my passion ,get told my truck is a piece of junk really make me ...well.My last post on this matter,i did troll enough in that matter i admit it.
Sigh...........
We're still waiting for you to enthrall us with accurate, verifiable data.
Like....
The 9,000 engines you claim were ruined by proven oil.
The DoD list with synlube on it.
The 14-16 million vehicles junked anually.
I would suggest you read "How to win Friends and Influence People."
And maybe take up some remedial business classes on how to represent your product.
Because not only are you not winning any, but your obvious inability to produce any verifiable information and constant refusal to stay on point, is an influence.
You influence people not to try this product.
Anyhow... Going further is pointless. There ism just no way this shillube is going into the new Mustang, let alone the Z4.
100,000 miles = clunker. Now that is funny.
Bye...
We're still waiting for you to enthrall us with accurate, verifiable data.
Like....
The 9,000 engines you claim were ruined by proven oil.
The DoD list with synlube on it.
The 14-16 million vehicles junked anually.
I would suggest you read "How to win Friends and Influence People."
And maybe take up some remedial business classes on how to represent your product.
Because not only are you not winning any, but your obvious inability to produce any verifiable information and constant refusal to stay on point, is an influence.
You influence people not to try this product.
Anyhow... Going further is pointless. There ism just no way this shillube is going into the new Mustang, let alone the Z4.
100,000 miles = clunker. Now that is funny.
Bye...
I have to say that this thread has gone do far off of the deep end with this product, that it really isn't worth all of the aggrevation to read it anymore.
He said this and that, and they retaliated to it just doesn't cut it.
I asked questions, I found out some information, and formed MY opinion, and acted as such with the lubricant that I currently use: Brad Penn. New, no. Full synthetic, no. Affordable and meets my needs, absolutely.
That's all that matters, what YOU think and want in your vehicles crankcase. Anything else is pure fluff.
He said this and that, and they retaliated to it just doesn't cut it.
I asked questions, I found out some information, and formed MY opinion, and acted as such with the lubricant that I currently use: Brad Penn. New, no. Full synthetic, no. Affordable and meets my needs, absolutely.
That's all that matters, what YOU think and want in your vehicles crankcase. Anything else is pure fluff.
so long with around-around in the air 
....,simple question, why if this lubricant lifetime is more than 5 years without changed in car, dont have a real data from the 1st time, and after 5yrs?
dont around2 again in the air.....
enoch
....,simple question, why if this lubricant lifetime is more than 5 years without changed in car, dont have a real data from the 1st time, and after 5yrs?dont around2 again in the air.....
enoch
quote:Project Description: SynLube Lubricants Long Term Test
AAA Project Identification Number: 81
Project Number: 2002-0317-1
Project Begin Date: 2/26/2002
Project Finish Date: 7/6/2007
On our web for 3 years, AAA test took 5 years and still you refuse to accept a proof,
If you can not trust AAA and FORD and EPA, then simply you can not trust anyone....
Yet you trust and use petroleum oil from companies that are proven to lie and fake tests, like SHELL, CASTROL, etc.
www.ftc.gov
Keeping your head in tar sand in hope it will turn to synthetic oil is probably the only appropriate action for the refusenicks !
http://www.synlube.com/PR201001.htm
Real Person Real CAR
http://www.synlube.com/press.htm
Test run by AAA on FORD vehicle and submitted to EPA
http://www.synlube.com/pr03.htm
Real Person Real CAR
http://www.synlube.com/pr02.htm
Real Car test on BERTONE
http://www.synlube.com/pr01.htm
Real Car test for KIA
SHELL, ExxonMobil, BP, Citgo, UNOCAL, AMSOIL does not have a single vehicle that went that far even with regular oil changes to prove that their oil "works" - and if ti is necessary to change the formulation every 3 to 5 years that alone proves that the "previous" formula DID NOT WORK adequately to be used in the latest MY vehicles.
But if you already have the best possible lubricant available, there is NO NEED to change the formulation, ever .....
Real Person Real CAR
http://www.synlube.com/press.htm
Test run by AAA on FORD vehicle and submitted to EPA
http://www.synlube.com/pr03.htm
Real Person Real CAR
http://www.synlube.com/pr02.htm
Real Car test on BERTONE
http://www.synlube.com/pr01.htm
Real Car test for KIA
SHELL, ExxonMobil, BP, Citgo, UNOCAL, AMSOIL does not have a single vehicle that went that far even with regular oil changes to prove that their oil "works" - and if ti is necessary to change the formulation every 3 to 5 years that alone proves that the "previous" formula DID NOT WORK adequately to be used in the latest MY vehicles.
But if you already have the best possible lubricant available, there is NO NEED to change the formulation, ever .....
quote:Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:
http://www.synlube.com/PR201001.htm
Real Person Real CAR
http://www.synlube.com/press.htm
Test run by AAA on FORD vehicle and submitted to EPA
http://www.synlube.com/pr03.htm
Real Person Real CAR
http://www.synlube.com/pr02.htm
Real Car test on BERTONE
http://www.synlube.com/pr01.htm
Real Car test for KIA
SHELL, ExxonMobil, BP, Citgo, UNOCAL, AMSOIL does not have a single vehicle that went that far even with regular oil changes to prove that their oil "works" - and if ti is necessary to change the formulation every 3 to 5 years that alone proves that the "previous" formula DID NOT WORK adequately to be used in the latest MY vehicles.
But if you already have the best possible lubricant available, there is NO NEED to change the formulation, ever .....
I had hopes I was done.but the continued propigation of non verifiable data says otherwise.
I really think it is time for this Thread to be Locked or Deleted.
Agree time to lock,but a part of it need to be keep ,so people can read it for future reference .
Locked, yes. Deleted, no. Potential customers need to see how the owner acts to requests for verifiable facts and data.
I believe late next week we will have a VOA, that's Virgin Oil Analysis, on this Synlube from a totally independent and unbiased lab, it will come from somebody who has alot of experience, I do not think anyone here is buying that Miro only knows somebody who can interpret what is in this oil.
All of the proof will be presented to show how this product was obtained.
I believe this VOA will show us that Miro probably uses some oil from Wal-Mart for his basestock and then he puts his witches brew into it.
I do not believe you can run any oil, including Synlube without some side effects, since this Synlube starts out as a 5W-50 motor oil I would hate to see how much it thickens up after 15,000 or more miles of use.
I believe all of these additives in Synlube will just eventually clog up someone's engine and just lead to more wear.
I also believe the synthetic media oil filters Synlube sells are definetly like the Amsoil EaO Oil Filters with the Donaldson synthetic media, the problem with this media is that in the 1st 10,000 miles it lets more contaniments flow through your engine than a Pure One type oil filter. Whether the oil filter media is synthetic or cellulose paper it will eventually clog up, and when this happens your oil filter goes into bypass and you have more junk floating around your engine.
I saw the post here where a gentleman dumped his factory fill of oil on his new car at 800 miles or so and put Synlube in, at 16,000 miles his valvetrain was making serious noise, he got the Synlube out and everything went back to normal.
I am sorry Synlube, but today's cars need thin oil, meaning a 5W-30, 5W-20, or a 0W-20. The days of thick oil's are far gone. The reason being is that many of todays engines are either single or dual OHC engines, you need the oil to travel from the bottom of the oil pan to the top of the engine. This Synlube stuff might have been o.k. back in the 1950's.
Miro, there is no way that your 5W-50 oil is going to pump up faster on a 0 degree morning than a Mobil 1 0W-20 or a Pennzoil Platinum 0W-20, even a 5W-30 oil will pump up faster. I really think that you are hiding something from us, and I think an unbiased VOA will expose what you do not want us to know.
If your oil was so good, I believe there would be other lifetime oil's on the market, or oil's like yours that could go the proclaimed 50,000 miles.
I see you bash other motor oil's and oil companies, I can remember the owner of a particular oil additive who said his oil additive was the best, we found out his product did not work and that he had no tests to back up his claims that his product was the best, it was actually the worst, I smacked him around so good on this board that the guy pleaded with the admins to take my threads down, he just was no match for me.
I did use that pathetic oil additive, but I will not be using your oil based on what has been written here in this thread, but Miro, I will give you credit, you are a fighter and you believe in your product and even though this thread may make Synlube look bad, you have not asked for this thread to be deleted, you do not give up, so I can definetly say that you must know more about Synlube than Frank Miller knows about auto-rx.
All of the proof will be presented to show how this product was obtained.
I believe this VOA will show us that Miro probably uses some oil from Wal-Mart for his basestock and then he puts his witches brew into it.
I do not believe you can run any oil, including Synlube without some side effects, since this Synlube starts out as a 5W-50 motor oil I would hate to see how much it thickens up after 15,000 or more miles of use.
I believe all of these additives in Synlube will just eventually clog up someone's engine and just lead to more wear.
I also believe the synthetic media oil filters Synlube sells are definetly like the Amsoil EaO Oil Filters with the Donaldson synthetic media, the problem with this media is that in the 1st 10,000 miles it lets more contaniments flow through your engine than a Pure One type oil filter. Whether the oil filter media is synthetic or cellulose paper it will eventually clog up, and when this happens your oil filter goes into bypass and you have more junk floating around your engine.
I saw the post here where a gentleman dumped his factory fill of oil on his new car at 800 miles or so and put Synlube in, at 16,000 miles his valvetrain was making serious noise, he got the Synlube out and everything went back to normal.
I am sorry Synlube, but today's cars need thin oil, meaning a 5W-30, 5W-20, or a 0W-20. The days of thick oil's are far gone. The reason being is that many of todays engines are either single or dual OHC engines, you need the oil to travel from the bottom of the oil pan to the top of the engine. This Synlube stuff might have been o.k. back in the 1950's.
Miro, there is no way that your 5W-50 oil is going to pump up faster on a 0 degree morning than a Mobil 1 0W-20 or a Pennzoil Platinum 0W-20, even a 5W-30 oil will pump up faster. I really think that you are hiding something from us, and I think an unbiased VOA will expose what you do not want us to know.
If your oil was so good, I believe there would be other lifetime oil's on the market, or oil's like yours that could go the proclaimed 50,000 miles.
I see you bash other motor oil's and oil companies, I can remember the owner of a particular oil additive who said his oil additive was the best, we found out his product did not work and that he had no tests to back up his claims that his product was the best, it was actually the worst, I smacked him around so good on this board that the guy pleaded with the admins to take my threads down, he just was no match for me.
I did use that pathetic oil additive, but I will not be using your oil based on what has been written here in this thread, but Miro, I will give you credit, you are a fighter and you believe in your product and even though this thread may make Synlube look bad, you have not asked for this thread to be deleted, you do not give up, so I can definetly say that you must know more about Synlube than Frank Miller knows about auto-rx.
This the most reasonable post, IMO, of this entire thread.
The days of thick oil aren't completely gone though. (BMW S54 engines for example.) But I doubt that any Z4M owner would use Synlube.)
The days of thick oil aren't completely gone though. (BMW S54 engines for example.) But I doubt that any Z4M owner would use Synlube.)
Excellent!
I doi see that we have an MSDS. So he sprung the cash to kill some rats.
Or more likely, the additive company did.
I doi see that we have an MSDS. So he sprung the cash to kill some rats.
Or more likely, the additive company did.
Yes we do. One that did not exsist for a product that has been sold for years until 3/19/2010.
quote:Originally posted by Big Bear:
I believe late next week we will have a VOA, that's Virgin Oil Analysis, on this Synlube from a totally independent and unbiased lab, it will come from somebody who has alot of experience, I do not think anyone here is buying that Miro only knows somebody who can interpret what is in this oil.
All of the proof will be presented to show how this product was obtained.
I believe this VOA will show us that Miro probably uses some oil from Wal-Mart for his basestock and then he puts his witches brew into it.
I do not believe you can run any oil, including Synlube without some side effects, since this Synlube starts out as a 5W-50 motor oil I would hate to see how much it thickens up after 15,000 or more miles of use.
I believe all of these additives in Synlube will just eventually clog up someone's engine and just lead to more wear.
I also believe the synthetic media oil filters Synlube sells are definetly like the Amsoil EaO Oil Filters with the Donaldson synthetic media, the problem with this media is that in the 1st 10,000 miles it lets more contaniments flow through your engine than a Pure One type oil filter. Whether the oil filter media is synthetic or cellulose paper it will eventually clog up, and when this happens your oil filter goes into bypass and you have more junk floating around your engine.
I saw the post here where a gentleman dumped his factory fill of oil on his new car at 800 miles or so and put Synlube in, at 16,000 miles his valvetrain was making serious noise, he got the Synlube out and everything went back to normal.
I am sorry Synlube, but today's cars need thin oil, meaning a 5W-30, 5W-20, or a 0W-20. The days of thick oil's are far gone. The reason being is that many of todays engines are either single or dual OHC engines, you need the oil to travel from the bottom of the oil pan to the top of the engine. This Synlube stuff might have been o.k. back in the 1950's.
Miro, there is no way that your 5W-50 oil is going to pump up faster on a 0 degree morning than a Mobil 1 0W-20 or a Pennzoil Platinum 0W-20, even a 5W-30 oil will pump up faster. I really think that you are hiding something from us, and I think an unbiased VOA will expose what you do not want us to know.
If your oil was so good, I believe there would be other lifetime oil's on the market, or oil's like yours that could go the proclaimed 50,000 miles.
I see you bash other motor oil's and oil companies, I can remember the owner of a particular oil additive who said his oil additive was the best, we found out his product did not work and that he had no tests to back up his claims that his product was the best, it was actually the worst, I smacked him around so good on this board that the guy pleaded with the admins to take my threads down, he just was no match for me.
I did use that pathetic oil additive, but I will not be using your oil based on what has been written here in this thread, but Miro, I will give you credit, you are a fighter and you believe in your product and even though this thread may make Synlube look bad, you have not asked for this thread to be deleted, you do not give up, so I can definetly say that you must know more about Synlube than Frank Miller knows about auto-rx.
Nice post bear. Maybe this VOA will put this all to rest. Maybe this is the greatest oil ever made, and once XOM, Shell etc. find out they'll buy the rights to the product. Everyone has a price, and if the product is as good as the shills pushing it want us to believe, the oil companies will hit that price! Then we won't have to hear this nonsense anymore.
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Or make it disappear like the EV1 ;-)