And also even in EU, the same regulation applies that is valid in USA under OSHA rules:
Material safety data sheets should provide professional users information about the risks involved in working with the product. The professional user does not only concern the end user, but also the conveyer, employees in warehouses or distribution centres, experts on workplace safety, an employer, etc. There is no obligation to provide Material Safety Data Sheets to consumers. Not even when they ask for it.
Quote right from the link you supplied .:[EM]:.
So again we do not even have to do it if ASKED !!!
Read our primer articles on High Mileage Oil, Synthetic Oil and Kinematic Viscosity
quote:Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:
You are neither customer, handler or user of SynLube, so you have NO LEGAL RIGHT to MSDS.
And, seeing how you are with potential customers/handlers/users, I will never be one.
If I have no legal right to an MSDS, how come I can get one for Mobil 1 5w-30? A product that I neither buy, use, or handle?
MSDS are not meant for a consumer, but any reputable business will supply one on request.
IOWs, it's called good public relations.
Drat, 39 pages, and still, nothing to convince me to use this instead of what I use now.
Don't see that changing.
And, just to be clear, I'm not the only one to ask for an MSDS, so why come after me only?
Just curious.
In an effort to kee posts down.....
I went back to where this was posted:
AAA Project Identification Number: 81
Project Number: 2002-0317-1
I couldn't find it at the AAA site. Only at synlube. Can you link where it is at AAA?
I am just curious if anything in this Thread has made anyone reading it want to contact Miro and buy this Synlube.
quote:Mobil 1 5w-30
Simply because it is legally out of date and therefore is not current (more than 30 days old)
Just try to get one with TODAY DATE.
End of discussion on this MSDS matter, I can not be your teacher and guide on things that you refuse to take time to read in your Internet searches nor are able to understand.
quote:Originally posted by vitual_mage:
Big bear you got a point,in my application,they recommended 5w20 since i see deep cold during the winter,-50 Celsius in not uncommon here .Im not brand loyal when it come to oil,if anyone could give me some lube with a better pour point i would jump on it.
Ford is a very popular brand here for fleet vehicle,just the site where i work own over 300 F150 and they doing extremely long oci.These truck are kept in the worst condition ,dirt road,low speed limit between 30 and 50 kmh ,they are mostly run 24/24 7 day a week and the driver beat these like they stole them.Still they survive,im yet to see a dead engine.These truck are kept for 3 year then sold,most of them are over 100k,wont say in the best shape...still they are working ,my point? ANY engine can last that long without heavy maintenance these day,will last 3 time longer if the maintenance is done properly .Why Miro is so afraid of any vehicle over 100k?
Even amsoil addresses the 5w-20 as not being needed and too thin!! Go Check it out. I guess they are wrong as well according to all the "experts" on this forum!!
quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:
Kirk IIRC I read somewhere that you have no financial interest in Synlube. If you do then correct me, if not why bother fighting this lost battle? The whole thing is rediculous, no customer is this loyal. I see you getting battered on Bitog as well. Might be time to pack up and leave? It is clear no one is drinking your Kool-Aid.
Maybe a few qts of the magic oil was sold for VOA's due to these threads. Then we'll have some facts and figures in black and white for all the members to see. You know what they say about figures? Liars can figure, but figures can't lie.
AD
I am not getting battered on that site. More than once a post of mine went unanswered because I won that particular argument. Moreover,..Why don't you take your own advice and pack up and leave!!
quote:Originally posted by Captain Kirk:quote:Originally posted by vitual_mage:
Big bear you got a point,in my application,they recommended 5w20 since i see deep cold during the winter,-50 Celsius in not uncommon here .Im not brand loyal when it come to oil,if anyone could give me some lube with a better pour point i would jump on it.
Even amsoil addresses the 5w-20 as not being needed and too thin!! Go Check it out. I guess they are wrong as well according to all the "experts" on this forum!!
well....i do need thin oil,its not just something i use for fun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn-ZBdKu7O8
enjoy....
quote:Originally posted by Captain Kirk:quote:Originally posted by vitual_mage:
Big bear you got a point,in my application,they recommended 5w20 since i see deep cold during the winter,-50 Celsius in not uncommon here .Im not brand loyal when it come to oil,if anyone could give me some lube with a better pour point i would jump on it.
Ford is a very popular brand here for fleet vehicle,just the site where i work own over 300 F150 and they doing extremely long oci.These truck are kept in the worst condition ,dirt road,low speed limit between 30 and 50 kmh ,they are mostly run 24/24 7 day a week and the driver beat these like they stole them.Still they survive,im yet to see a dead engine.These truck are kept for 3 year then sold,most of them are over 100k,wont say in the best shape...still they are working ,my point? ANY engine can last that long without heavy maintenance these day,will last 3 time longer if the maintenance is done properly .Why Miro is so afraid of any vehicle over 100k?
Even amsoil addresses the 5w-20 as not being needed and too thin!! Go Check it out. I guess they are wrong as well according to all the "experts" on this forum!!
Applications
AMSOIL Synthetic 0W-20 Motor Oil is recommended for Honda, Acura, DaimlerChrysler, Toyota, Ford and all other applications where SAE 0W-20 or 5W-20 is required with the following specifications:
•API SM/CF, SL, SJ. . .
•ILSAC GF-4, 3. . .
•ACEA A1/B1
•Ford WSS-M2C930-A
•Chrysler MS-6395N
If Amsoil is saying 5W-20 is too thin, then why do they have a 0W-20 Motor Oil.
I bet if you put this Synlube in a car calling for a 5W-20 and there was some kind of engine problem and they found out you used 5W-50 they would probably void the warranty.
If someone using Synlube has a problem, will Miro pay to have the engine fixed, I doubt it, use Synlube at your own risk.
I am certainly not going to listen to someone associated with Synlube about what viscosity of oil to put in my vehicle, and that goes for Amsoil too, I will go buy my owner's manual, and if anyone's owner's manual says it is o.k. to use a 5W-50 motor oil, then maybe consider Synlube, but since no automobile manufacturer recommends a 5W-50 motor oil or changing your oil every 5 years or 50,000 miles then I think most people will pass.
I read this whole thread last nite and I got a HEADACHE, if I put Synlube in my engine I am sure 10,000 miles later I would have more than a headache, it would be an expensive headache.
Whatever happened with Synlube sending a used oil sample to Terry Dyson.
Since you live in the land of the Alberta clipper, I am sure you have a cold weather package on the jeep?? Block heater,and oil pan heater. Even with the best oil,at -40,warming up things before you crank the engine is best. I know of propane heaters that are used when no electric is available by some. After all the mods you have performed thus far,a cold weather package would be a prudent choice.quote:Originally posted by vitual_mage:quote:Originally posted by Captain Kirk:quote:Originally posted by vitual_mage:
Big bear you got a point,in my application,they recommended 5w20 since i see deep cold during the winter,-50 Celsius in not uncommon here .Im not brand loyal when it come to oil,if anyone could give me some lube with a better pour point i would jump on it.
Even amsoil addresses the 5w-20 as not being needed and too thin!! Go Check it out. I guess they are wrong as well according to all the "experts" on this forum!!
well....i do need thin oil,its not just something i use for fun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn-ZBdKu7O8
enjoy....
Also, why is 5w-20(petroleum) better than 5w-30 synthetic,the cold weather spec is better with the 5w-30 syn. Or why not use 0w-30 synthetic at least? However,it does depend on the brand and so forth. Once your engine heats up the 5w-30/ 0w-30 is better for the sake of argument. Just look at the specs.
quote:Originally posted by Big Bear:
I am certainly not going to listen to someone associated with Synlube about what viscosity of oil to put in my vehicle, and that goes for Amsoil too, I will go buy my owner's manual,
That's why I use the oil I use. M1 0w-40 and GC 0w-30 are BMW approved. I don't care what the oil maker claims. Not on the list, not going into my engine.
Synlube doesn't meet any ACEA or BMW spec.
quote:Originally posted by Trajan:quote:Originally posted by Captain Kirk:quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
This the most reasonable post, IMO, of this entire thread.
The days of thick oil aren't completely gone though. (BMW S54 engines for example.) But I doubt that any Z4M owner would use Synlube.)
Big bear is agaist thick oil for the most part. I made it clear that I am not.
The Europeans are using thick oil!! 5w-40. It is the 5w that pumps during a cold start. The 5w-20 is only for CAFE standards,..look it up,it's a fact.
So you agree with Big Bear on synlube then.
PS: Anericans use thick oil too. Or are you saying that all the S54 powered cars built and or driven here don't.
quote:Since you live in the land of the Alberta clipper, I am sure you have a cold weather package on the jeep?? Block heater,and oil pan heater. Even with the best oil,at -40,warming up things before you crank the engine is best. I know of propane heaters that are used when no electric is available by some. After all the mods you have performed thus far,a cold weather package would be a prudent choice.
Also, why is 5w-20(petroleum) better than 5w-30 synthetic,the cold weather spec is better with the 5w-30 syn. Or why not use 0w-30 synthetic at least? However,it does depend on the brand and so forth. Once your engine heats up the 5w-30/ 0w-30 is better for the sake of argument. Just look at the specs.
I do have a block heater,a 250w pad heater under the oil pan , battery blanket and the most important heated seat.
quote:Big bear is agaist thick oil for the most part. I made it clear that I am not.
The Europeans are using thick oil!! 5w-40. It is the 5w that pumps during a cold start. The 5w-20 is only for CAFE standards,..look it up,it's a fact.
Actually most of the U.S. auto manufactures are against thick oil, my car is speced for a 10W-30 motor oil and I found it runs better on 5W-30 motor oil.
I could really care less what the Europeans are using, so if they are using a thick oil then sell your stuff over there, because we are not buying your thick stuff.
Here's an idea, that is if it is OK to do on the board. I don't want to violate any rules, so if this is not allowed mods please delete my post.
How about a poll? After suffering through 39 pages of this thread who would buy Synlube now.
I'll start.
NO
AD
How about a poll? After suffering through 39 pages of this thread who would buy Synlube now.
I'll start.
NO
AD
NO
quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:
Here's an idea, that is if it is OK to do on the board. I don't want to violate any rules, so if this is not allowed mods please delete my post.
How about a poll? After suffering through 39 pages of this thread who would buy Synlube now.
I'll start.
NO
AD
NO
quote:Originally posted by vitual_mage:quote:Since you live in the land of the Alberta clipper, I am sure you have a cold weather package on the jeep?? Block heater,and oil pan heater. Even with the best oil,at -40,warming up things before you crank the engine is best. I know of propane heaters that are used when no electric is available by some. After all the mods you have performed thus far,a cold weather package would be a prudent choice.
Also, why is 5w-20(petroleum) better than 5w-30 synthetic,the cold weather spec is better with the 5w-30 syn. Or why not use 0w-30 synthetic at least? However,it does depend on the brand and so forth. Once your engine heats up the 5w-30/ 0w-30 is better for the sake of argument. Just look at the specs.
I do have a block heater,a 250w pad heater under the oil pan , battery blanket and the most important heated seat.
Then why do you claim to need thin oil. You are heating up the oil,..so cold starts should not be an issue.
I see more cold starts then you,and I live in NJ without any cold weather package. It does get plenty cold in NJ especially during the early morning such as single digits or even zero F.(-17.8 C.).
Therefore my oil(synlube) is actually more chilled than what your jeep will experience in Alberta because of your pan heater in the dead of winter in the early morning. Your oil would be heated to about 60 F. I would think. I will assume if no propane heater then you probably start and run your engine if your off road etc. to maintain some warmth.
I once ran amsoil series 2000, 20w-50 in another car and it started at zero F.(-17.8 C.) and not even one tick,at 175,000 miles!!
I think you have it quite the reverse. The synlube skeptics will be as usual, the spinmasters!!quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:
Well a VOA should put this to rest once and for all, we hope. I would think the report will be honest, and revealing. I have a feeling Synlube's spin masters will quickly go to work if they don't like the report. OTOH if Synlube's claims are in fact the truth then sales should go through the roof. But I know quite a few people who still wouldn't use it even if it were free. Reason being the attacks made by the shills on Bitog. Tough job building bridges that have been destroyed.
AD
quote:Originally posted by Big Bear:quote:Originally posted by Captain Kirk:quote:Originally posted by vitual_mage:
Big bear you got a point,in my application,they recommended 5w20 since i see deep cold during the winter,-50 Celsius in not uncommon here .Im not brand loyal when it come to oil,if anyone could give me some lube with a better pour point i would jump on it.
Ford is a very popular brand here for fleet vehicle,just the site where i work own over 300 F150 and they doing extremely long oci.These truck are kept in the worst condition ,dirt road,low speed limit between 30 and 50 kmh ,they are mostly run 24/24 7 day a week and the driver beat these like they stole them.Still they survive,im yet to see a dead engine.These truck are kept for 3 year then sold,most of them are over 100k,wont say in the best shape...still they are working ,my point? ANY engine can last that long without heavy maintenance these day,will last 3 time longer if the maintenance is done properly .Why Miro is so afraid of any vehicle over 100k?
Even amsoil addresses the 5w-20 as not being needed and too thin!! Go Check it out. I guess they are wrong as well according to all the "experts" on this forum!!
Applications
AMSOIL Synthetic 0W-20 Motor Oil is recommended for Honda, Acura, DaimlerChrysler, Toyota, Ford and all other applications where SAE 0W-20 or 5W-20 is required with the following specifications:
•API SM/CF, SL, SJ. . .
•ILSAC GF-4, 3. . .
•ACEA A1/B1
•Ford WSS-M2C930-A
•Chrysler MS-6395N
If Amsoil is saying 5W-20 is too thin, then why do they have a 0W-20 Motor Oil.
I bet if you put this Synlube in a car calling for a 5W-20 and there was some kind of engine problem and they found out you used 5W-50 they would probably void the warranty.
If someone using Synlube has a problem, will Miro pay to have the engine fixed, I doubt it, use Synlube at your own risk.
I am certainly not going to listen to someone associated with Synlube about what viscosity of oil to put in my vehicle, and that goes for Amsoil too, I will go buy my owner's manual, and if anyone's owner's manual says it is o.k. to use a 5W-50 motor oil, then maybe consider Synlube, but since no automobile manufacturer recommends a 5W-50 motor oil or changing your oil every 5 years or 50,000 miles then I think most people will pass.
I read this whole thread last nite and I got a HEADACHE, if I put Synlube in my engine I am sure 10,000 miles later I would have more than a headache, it would be an expensive headache.
Whatever happened with Synlube sending a used oil sample to Terry Dyson.
If you actually read the amsoil site,then you would know why they have the 5w-20 oil. Amsoil stated it is there for marketing purpose only to please the 5w-20 diehards!! They give all the reasons/science why 5w-20 is not needed,and why the 0w-30 is better,.. then go on and state that they will sell the 5w-20 nevertheless to anyone who wants it regardless.
quote:Originally posted by Captain Kirk:quote:Originally posted by Big Bear:quote:Originally posted by Captain Kirk:quote:Originally posted by vitual_mage:
Big bear you got a point,in my application,they recommended 5w20 since i see deep cold during the winter,-50 Celsius in not uncommon here .Im not brand loyal when it come to oil,if anyone could give me some lube with a better pour point i would jump on it.
Ford is a very popular brand here for fleet vehicle,just the site where i work own over 300 F150 and they doing extremely long oci.These truck are kept in the worst condition ,dirt road,low speed limit between 30 and 50 kmh ,they are mostly run 24/24 7 day a week and the driver beat these like they stole them.Still they survive,im yet to see a dead engine.These truck are kept for 3 year then sold,most of them are over 100k,wont say in the best shape...still they are working ,my point? ANY engine can last that long without heavy maintenance these day,will last 3 time longer if the maintenance is done properly .Why Miro is so afraid of any vehicle over 100k?
Even amsoil addresses the 5w-20 as not being needed and too thin!! Go Check it out. I guess they are wrong as well according to all the "experts" on this forum!!
Applications
AMSOIL Synthetic 0W-20 Motor Oil is recommended for Honda, Acura, DaimlerChrysler, Toyota, Ford and all other applications where SAE 0W-20 or 5W-20 is required with the following specifications:
•API SM/CF, SL, SJ. . .
•ILSAC GF-4, 3. . .
•ACEA A1/B1
•Ford WSS-M2C930-A
•Chrysler MS-6395N
If Amsoil is saying 5W-20 is too thin, then why do they have a 0W-20 Motor Oil.
I bet if you put this Synlube in a car calling for a 5W-20 and there was some kind of engine problem and they found out you used 5W-50 they would probably void the warranty.
If someone using Synlube has a problem, will Miro pay to have the engine fixed, I doubt it, use Synlube at your own risk.
I am certainly not going to listen to someone associated with Synlube about what viscosity of oil to put in my vehicle, and that goes for Amsoil too, I will go buy my owner's manual, and if anyone's owner's manual says it is o.k. to use a 5W-50 motor oil, then maybe consider Synlube, but since no automobile manufacturer recommends a 5W-50 motor oil or changing your oil every 5 years or 50,000 miles then I think most people will pass.
I read this whole thread last nite and I got a HEADACHE, if I put Synlube in my engine I am sure 10,000 miles later I would have more than a headache, it would be an expensive headache.
Whatever happened with Synlube sending a used oil sample to Terry Dyson.
If you actually read the amsoil site,then you would know why they have the 5w-20 oil. Amsoil stated it is there for marketing purpose only to please the 5w-20 diehards!! They give all the reasons/science why 5w-20 is not needed,and why the 0w-30 is better,.. then go on and state that they will sell the 5w-20 nevertheless to anyone who wants it regardless.
Notice the silence now about 5w-20 oil!! Now we can talk about 5w-50 synthetic with a pour point of -64 F.
quote:Notice the silence now about 5w-20 oil!! Now we can talk about 5w-50 synthetic with a pour point of -64 F.
Beautiful. Simply beautiful...
Dear Houckster....you promised us to send VOA or UOA this Synlube oil last year...do you remember? the problem for me if i lived in US i will buy this oil and send it for VOA, since i live in Jakarta the cost is very expensive U$ 300-400 from independent laboratory. Why we must not to believe if your UOA from Terry? all members can contact Terry too for confirmation.
enoch
If you buy a quart of SynLube and submit it to Terry Dyson for analysis, there won't be much room for spinning. He's an acknowledged expert on oil analysis and I believe he has corresponded with Miro about his oil. Let us know when you submit the sample since you would be inclined not to believe the results if we submitted it.
quote:
Consider this Houckster: As I pointed out earlier, you own synlube, so it is to be expected that you say what you do.
What do you mean I OWN SynLube? I'm a customer and nothing more. I live in Georgia. If you can't tell the difference between my style of writing and those of Miro Kefurt, you haven't been reading very closely.
enoch
If you buy a quart of SynLube and submit it to Terry Dyson for analysis, there won't be much room for spinning. He's an acknowledged expert on oil analysis and I believe he has corresponded with Miro about his oil. Let us know when you submit the sample since you would be inclined not to believe the results if we submitted it.
quote:
Consider this Houckster: As I pointed out earlier, you own synlube, so it is to be expected that you say what you do.
What do you mean I OWN SynLube? I'm a customer and nothing more. I live in Georgia. If you can't tell the difference between my style of writing and those of Miro Kefurt, you haven't been reading very closely.
http://www.clubtitan.org/forum...dex.php/t-22432.html The following excerpt.
In summary, the iron levels are off the freaking chart. Levels like this usually indicate the start of a problem. Even is a new engine that is still breaking in.
Secondly, the TBN is absolutely horrible. How is the oil supposed to go much longer than this with just a low TBN?
This oil is supposed to be a 5w50 lubrication. Well, its not really much of a 50 weight anymore. It's nicely inside the spec for a 40 weight. And if it were still a 50 weight, the viscocity at 40 degrees would make it a 15w50. Instead, with everything combined, you have a 20w40. That's baffeling. The Viscocity Index supports this at a piss poor 142. Superior my @ss.
In summary, the iron levels are off the freaking chart. Levels like this usually indicate the start of a problem. Even is a new engine that is still breaking in.
Secondly, the TBN is absolutely horrible. How is the oil supposed to go much longer than this with just a low TBN?
This oil is supposed to be a 5w50 lubrication. Well, its not really much of a 50 weight anymore. It's nicely inside the spec for a 40 weight. And if it were still a 50 weight, the viscocity at 40 degrees would make it a 15w50. Instead, with everything combined, you have a 20w40. That's baffeling. The Viscocity Index supports this at a piss poor 142. Superior my @ss.
quote:Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:
SynLube is NON PETROLEUM - take time to find out about someting you comment on and know absolutely NOTHING about !!!
?
This rule is not only valid for petroleum based products, but all types of products containing a hazardous substance.
Be careful who you call stupid here, you might regret it.
Dear Trajan, thanks for this information...
enoch
enoch
quote:Originally posted by Trajan:
http://www.clubtitan.org/forum...dex.php/t-22432.html The following excerpt.
In summary, the iron levels are off the freaking chart. Levels like this usually indicate the start of a problem. Even is a new engine that is still breaking in.
Secondly, the TBN is absolutely horrible. How is the oil supposed to go much longer than this with just a low TBN?
This oil is supposed to be a 5w50 lubrication. Well, its not really much of a 50 weight anymore. It's nicely inside the spec for a 40 weight. And if it were still a 50 weight, the viscocity at 40 degrees would make it a 15w50. Instead, with everything combined, you have a 20w40. That's baffeling. The Viscocity Index supports this at a piss poor 142. Superior my @ss.
ahhaha i found in Synlube MSDS this lubricant have passed the test in Mobil Health Science Laboratory ( i saved this MSDS for comparation)
ahhaahah...can Capt. Kirk explain us....
First Bruce found it..
ahhaahah...can Capt. Kirk explain us....
First Bruce found it..
quote:Originally posted by .:[EM]:.:quote:Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:
SynLube is NON PETROLEUM - take time to find out about someting you comment on and know absolutely NOTHING about !!!
?
This rule is not only valid for petroleum based products, but all types of products containing a hazardous substance.
Be careful who you call stupid here, you might regret it.
quote:Originally posted by Captain Kirk:I think you have it quite the reverse. The synlube skeptics will be as usual, the spinmasters!!quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:
Well a VOA should put this to rest once and for all, we hope. I would think the report will be honest, and revealing. I have a feeling Synlube's spin masters will quickly go to work if they don't like the report. OTOH if Synlube's claims are in fact the truth then sales should go through the roof. But I know quite a few people who still wouldn't use it even if it were free. Reason being the attacks made by the shills on Bitog. Tough job building bridges that have been destroyed.
AD
Dream on Kirk. Your fighting a battle you are not going to win, give up and salvage what little business you have left with Synlube. You clearly aren't selling any oil here. I just read on the other board you guys tried selling damaged Delvac-1, nice. Could that be the foundation of Synlube, damaged Delvac, and the backyard brew added to it? Just wondering.
AD
Since this thread will be closed inevitably, I can also make some sidesteps:
http://neptune.spacebears.com/cave/syn-tolo.html
And who is this handsome guy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAV6HMo-qSk
http://neptune.spacebears.com/cave/syn-tolo.html
And who is this handsome guy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAV6HMo-qSk
The best part of that vid is Lauren Sanchez
Ok, instead of quoting every post that might have something to do with this response, I'll just give credit to everyone involved with this type of response.
I did contact Synlube and chatted with Miro for a while about 3 years back, when I had the time and fundage to play with new technology products and synthetic oils. He was fine to talk to on the phone, but I do have to admit that nothing was really said to convince me to fork out the start up cost for running Synlube.
I agree with the posters that also state that the 20 weights are strictly for CAFE purposes, which is why I use a 0w-30 in my crankcase year round.
And I also have to agree that now up to 40 pages of this, and STILL no legitimate numbers of elements, components, or such, is getting to be a little much.
In conclusion, if you're not ready to try it by now, will you ever? I don't think that even numbers will help the cause at this point...
I did contact Synlube and chatted with Miro for a while about 3 years back, when I had the time and fundage to play with new technology products and synthetic oils. He was fine to talk to on the phone, but I do have to admit that nothing was really said to convince me to fork out the start up cost for running Synlube.
I agree with the posters that also state that the 20 weights are strictly for CAFE purposes, which is why I use a 0w-30 in my crankcase year round.
And I also have to agree that now up to 40 pages of this, and STILL no legitimate numbers of elements, components, or such, is getting to be a little much.
In conclusion, if you're not ready to try it by now, will you ever? I don't think that even numbers will help the cause at this point...
I’m the first to admit my knowledge in oil is very limited, like everyone I grow up with the idea one brand was the best, and 10w30 was the only oil that should be use in everything. My concern here is to see someone with an obvious lack of mechanical knowledge; I would even add common sense…..any engine over 100k is a piece of junk…unless run with synlube obviously. Miro talking about fact, but yet still always use is own opinion when it come to the point, transmission don’t autodestruct, engine don’t fall apart after xxxx mileage because they where build after 1990.Plastic do make sense, its stronger more durable, and more easy to manufacture. Your opinion about ford, Chrysler or Toyota should be keep for yourself....Toyota transmission are not seal, they have a drain plug with a magnet,filter on fuel pump are perfectly fine and can last longer then the pump itself.anyway I know you will answer with your theory and I will put a quote from your own webpage “grow up”. You have been exposed, people don’t take you seriously and the way you acting…they never will.
US Government spent $2.3 million on this survey; you therefore should take it seriously
Executive Summary
Vehicle survivability and vehicle miles traveled (VMT) schedules for passenger cars and
light trucks were developed from 1977 to 2002 registration and 2001 mileage survey
data. Compared to similar projections made in 1995, we found that passenger cars are
lasting longer whereas light trucks are not lasting as long. However, both are being
driven slightly farther than previous schedules had indicated.
In this analysis, vehicle age was cut off for passenger cars and light trucks when the
Estimated Survival Rate reached an approximately two percent threshold. Thus, the
lifetime VMT of passenger cars was extended to 25 years to arrive at 152,137 miles; and
the lifetime VMT of light trucks was extended to 36 years to arrive at 179,954 miles.
Previous lifetime VMT estimates were 126,665 for passenger cars (20 years) and 153,698
(25 years) for light trucks. Discount factors are also updated in this analysis and
summarized below along with the lifetime mileage.
Lifetime Lifetime Weighted Present Discount Factor
Mileage 3% 7% 10%
Passenger Car 152,137 0.8304 0.6700 0.5824
Light Truck 179,954 0.8022 0.6303 0.5419
These updated schedules should be used to assess the effects of proposed fuel economy
and safety standards.
We have no problem with people using SynLube in any MECHANICALLY SOUND, application that has no preexisting problems.
Our Warranty for NEW application is 15 years or 150,000 miles - compare that to the longest warranty offered by KIA or HYUNDAI which is only 10 years or 100,000 miles - if you use SynLube in any NEW vehicle the warranty is the LONGEST AVAILABLE at any price and it is FREE - just try to buy FORD, GM, HONDA or any other OEM extended warranty that is 15 years or 150,000 miles and they will laugh you out of the Dealership !!!
We simple inform all potential customers that indicate to have a clunker or high mileage vehicle that our WARRANTY is not valid for any application that is 10 years form date of manufacture or over 100,000 odometer miles!
Oil industry defines as 75,000 to be HIGH MILEAGE – check the labels on all OILS for “older” vehicles !!
US Congress defines clunkers – something that NEEDS TO BE taken out of service as vehicle that is older than 9 years but newer than 25 years.
Since there are less than 2% of vehicle that are 25 years old in service even EPA and DOT and US Customs let you import anything even if it is not to US Emissions or Safety standards, without any restriction, since 26 + year vehicle still running anywhere in the world (except CUBA) is basically unheard of….
WE CAN NOT AFFORD to fix JUNKERS for people for FREE. The 10 year or 100,000 miles limit was established by our underwriter (insurance company in California) only after they had ZERO claims under our prevous policy that was in effect from 1985 to 1996 and was then limited to 5 years or 50,000 miles.
OUR GUARANTEE - refund any time for any used SynLube still applies n matter what mileage we just got back SynLube form Mercedes-Benz with 160,000 miles on the Lube and 345,000 on the car, the owner is junking it as it needs $3,500 in repairs (Air Conditioning) and he lives in Phoenix and does not care to suffer through another Summer without A/C.
Vehicle longevity is well proven statistically, but still today people refuse to just look as simple facts like sealed transmissions with no dipsticks, no fuel filters, etc.
If Replacing $2,500 fuel tank like one of our BMW customers just did in a Z is something you like to do every 65,000 miles that is your privilege, to me that is IDIOTICAL BMW design that could be corrected with $10 BOSCH FUEL FILTER that has been used on EFI YUGO 20 YEARS AGO!
$2,500 versus $10 ?
And you are complaining about investing $30 per Liter into SynLube and get your money back when you are done with it, But then being GUGED by BMW when you become UNDESIRABLE BMW owner - more than 5 years or 50,000 miles (or is it now 40,000 miles) and all the FREE maintenance ends and you are on your own, if you do not get another NEW BMW (or MINI) the Germans think of you as "TRASH" !!!
PS: 0.7866% of vehicle on the road have less than 100,000 miles on them
200,000 miles is so rare that so far in all of USA only 96 people responded to request of pictures of the car+person and the ODO.
Similar previous request for 300,000 + vehicles only got 16 verifiable responses.
And there are almost 300,000,000 vehicles in USA and 14 to 16 million get junked annually...
You internet search wizzards should know all this by now as well.........
Or does your search engine refuse to provide true and verifiable data ???
Executive Summary
Vehicle survivability and vehicle miles traveled (VMT) schedules for passenger cars and
light trucks were developed from 1977 to 2002 registration and 2001 mileage survey
data. Compared to similar projections made in 1995, we found that passenger cars are
lasting longer whereas light trucks are not lasting as long. However, both are being
driven slightly farther than previous schedules had indicated.
In this analysis, vehicle age was cut off for passenger cars and light trucks when the
Estimated Survival Rate reached an approximately two percent threshold. Thus, the
lifetime VMT of passenger cars was extended to 25 years to arrive at 152,137 miles; and
the lifetime VMT of light trucks was extended to 36 years to arrive at 179,954 miles.
Previous lifetime VMT estimates were 126,665 for passenger cars (20 years) and 153,698
(25 years) for light trucks. Discount factors are also updated in this analysis and
summarized below along with the lifetime mileage.
Lifetime Lifetime Weighted Present Discount Factor
Mileage 3% 7% 10%
Passenger Car 152,137 0.8304 0.6700 0.5824
Light Truck 179,954 0.8022 0.6303 0.5419
These updated schedules should be used to assess the effects of proposed fuel economy
and safety standards.
We have no problem with people using SynLube in any MECHANICALLY SOUND, application that has no preexisting problems.
Our Warranty for NEW application is 15 years or 150,000 miles - compare that to the longest warranty offered by KIA or HYUNDAI which is only 10 years or 100,000 miles - if you use SynLube in any NEW vehicle the warranty is the LONGEST AVAILABLE at any price and it is FREE - just try to buy FORD, GM, HONDA or any other OEM extended warranty that is 15 years or 150,000 miles and they will laugh you out of the Dealership !!!
We simple inform all potential customers that indicate to have a clunker or high mileage vehicle that our WARRANTY is not valid for any application that is 10 years form date of manufacture or over 100,000 odometer miles!
Oil industry defines as 75,000 to be HIGH MILEAGE – check the labels on all OILS for “older” vehicles !!
US Congress defines clunkers – something that NEEDS TO BE taken out of service as vehicle that is older than 9 years but newer than 25 years.
Since there are less than 2% of vehicle that are 25 years old in service even EPA and DOT and US Customs let you import anything even if it is not to US Emissions or Safety standards, without any restriction, since 26 + year vehicle still running anywhere in the world (except CUBA) is basically unheard of….
WE CAN NOT AFFORD to fix JUNKERS for people for FREE. The 10 year or 100,000 miles limit was established by our underwriter (insurance company in California) only after they had ZERO claims under our prevous policy that was in effect from 1985 to 1996 and was then limited to 5 years or 50,000 miles.
OUR GUARANTEE - refund any time for any used SynLube still applies n matter what mileage we just got back SynLube form Mercedes-Benz with 160,000 miles on the Lube and 345,000 on the car, the owner is junking it as it needs $3,500 in repairs (Air Conditioning) and he lives in Phoenix and does not care to suffer through another Summer without A/C.
Vehicle longevity is well proven statistically, but still today people refuse to just look as simple facts like sealed transmissions with no dipsticks, no fuel filters, etc.
If Replacing $2,500 fuel tank like one of our BMW customers just did in a Z is something you like to do every 65,000 miles that is your privilege, to me that is IDIOTICAL BMW design that could be corrected with $10 BOSCH FUEL FILTER that has been used on EFI YUGO 20 YEARS AGO!
$2,500 versus $10 ?
And you are complaining about investing $30 per Liter into SynLube and get your money back when you are done with it, But then being GUGED by BMW when you become UNDESIRABLE BMW owner - more than 5 years or 50,000 miles (or is it now 40,000 miles) and all the FREE maintenance ends and you are on your own, if you do not get another NEW BMW (or MINI) the Germans think of you as "TRASH" !!!
PS: 0.7866% of vehicle on the road have less than 100,000 miles on them
200,000 miles is so rare that so far in all of USA only 96 people responded to request of pictures of the car+person and the ODO.
Similar previous request for 300,000 + vehicles only got 16 verifiable responses.
And there are almost 300,000,000 vehicles in USA and 14 to 16 million get junked annually...
You internet search wizzards should know all this by now as well.........
Or does your search engine refuse to provide true and verifiable data ???
i forgot how reliable these yugo where.........Consumer Reports, in its review of the Yugo, called the car "hard to recommend at any price" and concluded that "you'd be better off buying a good used car than a new Yugo.
"The Yugo stands out as the only car from a non-U.S. manufacturer to make the Hagerty Insurance "Most Questionable Cars" list.
"I threatened a couple of times to buy one and leave it in somebody's driveway," said McKeel Hagerty, president of Hagerty Insurance.
The list of the problems with this car is quite long. Owners complained basically about everything – engine problems, steering problems, problems with the stereo, problems with the seat belt, problems with the floor. The car could stall and fail to restart without prior indication or warning. Since it was so cheap, could we really expect it to work flawlessly?
The value of the car was doubles when the fuel tank was full.
"The Yugo stands out as the only car from a non-U.S. manufacturer to make the Hagerty Insurance "Most Questionable Cars" list.
"I threatened a couple of times to buy one and leave it in somebody's driveway," said McKeel Hagerty, president of Hagerty Insurance.
The list of the problems with this car is quite long. Owners complained basically about everything – engine problems, steering problems, problems with the stereo, problems with the seat belt, problems with the floor. The car could stall and fail to restart without prior indication or warning. Since it was so cheap, could we really expect it to work flawlessly?
The value of the car was doubles when the fuel tank was full.
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PS: 0.7866% of vehicle on the road have less than 100,000 miles on them
200,000 miles is so rare that so far in all of USA only 96 people responded to request of pictures of the car+person and the ODO.
My bet is between Noria and Bitog there are more than 96 people with over 200,000 miles on their cars. I think on Bitog alone there are 100 members with cars with 200K miles on them.
Also from looking at your business location I wonder if you'd make good on your warranty. Maybe the business location is on the Star Ship Enterprise?
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The delvac was not damaged,it was capped to prevent damage that UPS or whomever ships is known to do. You are not going to tell me you never received damaged merchandise from shipping. Besides,you seem to be reading into things that aren't even there as usual.quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:quote:Originally posted by Captain Kirk:I think you have it quite the reverse. The synlube skeptics will be as usual, the spinmasters!!quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:
Well a VOA should put this to rest once and for all, we hope. I would think the report will be honest, and revealing. I have a feeling Synlube's spin masters will quickly go to work if they don't like the report. OTOH if Synlube's claims are in fact the truth then sales should go through the roof. But I know quite a few people who still wouldn't use it even if it were free. Reason being the attacks made by the shills on Bitog. Tough job building bridges that have been destroyed.
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Dream on Kirk. Your fighting a battle you are not going to win, give up and salvage what little business you have left with Synlube. You clearly aren't selling any oil here. I just read on the other board you guys tried selling damaged Delvac-1, nice. Could that be the foundation of Synlube, damaged Delvac, and the backyard brew added to it? Just wondering.
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quote:Originally posted by vitual_mage:
I’m the first to admit my knowledge in oil is very limited, like everyone I grow up with the idea one brand was the best, and 10w30 was the only oil that should be use in everything. My concern here is to see someone with an obvious lack of mechanical knowledge; I would even add common sense…..any engine over 100k is a piece of junk…unless run with synlube obviously. Miro talking about fact, but yet still always use is own opinion when it come to the point, transmission don’t autodestruct, engine don’t fall apart after xxxx mileage because they where build after 1990.Plastic do make sense, its stronger more durable, and more easy to manufacture. Your opinion about ford, Chrysler or Toyota should be keep for yourself....Toyota transmission are not seal, they have a drain plug with a magnet,filter on fuel pump are perfectly fine and can last longer then the pump itself.anyway I know you will answer with your theory and I will put a quote from your own webpage “grow up”. You have been exposed, people don’t take you seriously and the way you acting…they never will.
Vitual, Very nice rant!! OH,....and what is your point??
quote:Originally posted by ADFD1:quote:
PS: 0.7866% of vehicle on the road have less than 100,000 miles on them
200,000 miles is so rare that so far in all of USA only 96 people responded to request of pictures of the car+person and the ODO.
My bet is between Noria and Bitog there are more than 96 people with over 200,000 miles on their cars. I think on Bitog alone there are 100 members with cars with 200K miles on them.
Also from looking at your business location I wonder if you'd make good on your warranty. Maybe the business location is on the Star Ship Enterprise?
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Your response does not deserve to be dignified with an answer. Post something that makes actual sense in the future if you don't mind.
It would seem to me sir,.....you can't handle the facts!!!!
There's a few at BITOG with 300K I think.
I wouldn't put too much faith in what the US gov't defines as a clunker.
Back when Pintos were going boom, they defined pain and suffering as worth $10,000. The jury in the Grimshaw case disagreed with that.
http://www.amazon.com/Ford-Men...-Lacey/dp/0316511668
Im sure Miro can look that up. But I'm still waiting for that link I asked for above.
I wouldn't put too much faith in what the US gov't defines as a clunker.
Back when Pintos were going boom, they defined pain and suffering as worth $10,000. The jury in the Grimshaw case disagreed with that.
http://www.amazon.com/Ford-Men...-Lacey/dp/0316511668
Im sure Miro can look that up. But I'm still waiting for that link I asked for above.
quote:There's a few at BITOG with 300K I think.I wouldn't put too much faith in what the US gov't defines as a clunker.Back when Pintos were going boom, they defined pain and suffering as worth $10,000. The jury in the Grimshaw case disagreed with that.http://www.amazon.com/Ford-Men...-Lacey/dp/0316511668Im sure Miro can look that up. But I'm still waiting for that link I asked for above.
Some of you guys have to be dopers for sure. The link has nothing to do with your rant.
Pinto? My father had a Pinto. He loved it. I drove it from Toronto to Vancouver and back, with three passengers, AC on most of the way cuz it was stinker of a summer, pulling a trailer. I had to agree with my dad when we go back to Toronto that it was indeed a good car. It had over 150K miles on the odometer. Just used everyday, ordinary gas station 10W30 motor oil oil of the day...
Also, why don't you put any faith in what your US government defines as a clunker? You know more than they?
quote:Originally posted by inHaliburton:quote:There's a few at BITOG with 300K I think.I wouldn't put too much faith in what the US gov't defines as a clunker.Back when Pintos were going boom, they defined pain and suffering as worth $10,000. The jury in the Grimshaw case disagreed with that.http://www.amazon.com/Ford-Men...-Lacey/dp/0316511668Im sure Miro can look that up. But I'm still waiting for that link I asked for above.
Some of you guys have to be dopers for sure. The link has nothing to do with your rant.
Pinto? My father had a Pinto. He loved it. I drove it from Toronto to Vancouver and back, with three passengers, AC on most of the way cuz it was stinker of a summer, pulling a trailer. I had to agree with my dad when we go back to Toronto that it was indeed a good car. It had over 150K miles on the odometer. Just used everyday, ordinary gas station 10W30 motor oil oil of the day...
Also, why don't you put any faith in what your US government defines as a clunker? You know more than they?
Dopers for sure may have nailed it!!!
If you look at Trajens public profile,He doesn't have one period. Occupation,...None! Who is he,....a ghost writer! Are we talking to a ghost writer. At least Miro,..myself and others have posted proudly who we are.
