API Mineral/Dino is not bad

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Originally posted by Trajan:
So you can't explain why the B&S motor looks so good using dino.

You still fail to show that mineral is a bad oil.

It must be galling that GM's 2010 V6 Camaro uses dino oil.

This is the story about the same motor,that dave said has sludge varnish......

<<<<<<<I have an 8 year old Craftsman (AYP) heavy duty lawn tractor that is developing some sludge/varnish. Last season, it was filled with Rotella-T 15W-40 HDEO. Well, it don't like thick oil. It burned it at about 8 oz. per week (10-12 hours). Now that I am a BITOG'er, I want to clean her up and thought about this method:>>>>>>>>>

This is the link that that shows the real story about daves mower engine/with sludge......


http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/...wflat&Number=1829761


Bottom line.......Dave/trajen.........cleaned up the engine first,and then posted the pictures to give the false impression that it was always that clean just using plain vanilla mineral motor oil.

NOW WHY WOULD DAVE/TRAJEN DISTORT THE FACTS LIKE THAT IN JUST TWO MONTHS TIME???

My mowers,and all my other engines have ZERO VARNISH,ZERO SLUDGE.

I don't use any cleaners or flushes like dave/trajen does...the synthtetic oil I use keeps it very,very clean.......period.

I also don't lie or make up bogus story stories to serve some twisted agenda like some are doing here on this and other threads!

I provide Just the plain old facts,and nothing else!

Kirk

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Originally posted by Deltona_Dave:
I have heard that about varnish too. Most of it is due to suspended contaminants that stick to surfaces.

Mower still starts, runs, cuts grass and doesn't smoke (unlike me, bad habit, I know).

Still haven't figured out why it uses oil every 8 hours or so. No fouling on plugs, muffler/exhaust has normal carbon, no external leaks.

Maybe I should try some Slime/Fix a Flat in it Darn B&S engines will probably run with roofing tar in the crankcase.

Dave

Those B&S things are the Timex of mower engines

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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
My mowers,and all my other engines have ZERO VARNISH,ZERO SLUDGE.

I don't use any cleaners or flushes like dave/trajen does...the synthtetic oil I use keeps it very,very clean.......period.

I also don't lie or make up bogus story stories to serve some twisted agenda like some are doing here on this and other threads!

I provide Just the plain old facts,and nothing else!

Kirk

Any pictures of your OPE internals? I opened mine. Taking the head/valve cover off in a lawn mower is simple.

Dave

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Originally posted by Deltona_Dave:

quote:

Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
My mowers,and all my other engines have ZERO VARNISH,ZERO SLUDGE.

I don't use any cleaners or flushes like dave/trajen does...the synthtetic oil I use keeps it very,very clean.......period.

I also don't lie or make up bogus story stories to serve some twisted agenda like some are doing here on this and other threads!

I provide Just the plain old facts,and nothing else!

Kirk

Any pictures of your OPE internals? I opened mine. Taking the head/valve cover off in a lawn mower is simple.

Dave

I will get some pictures of all my equipment when I get around to it.

Kirk

Yep. Mineral oil isn't bad at all.

Well, Now I will be accused of using MMO/Seafoam/Auto-RX by our favorite troll Honest Injun, this 10HP Briggs has never seen oil treatment, except for somewhat regular OCI. She's not real quiet, but It can handle a 30+ amp load with out even bogging down.

Dave

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Originally posted by Deltona_Dave:
Well, Now I will be accused of using MMO/Seafoam/Auto-RX by our favorite troll Honest Injun, this 10HP Briggs has never seen oil treatment, except for somewhat regular OCI. She's not real quiet, but It can handle a 30+ amp load with out even bogging down.

Dave

I am sorry to say Dave...but your credibility is damaged because of the lawn mower photos you showed at the start of this thread...where you forgot to mention the engine not only had sludge that you flushed out first,but more importantly.......THE ENGINE IN THE PHOTO IS ACTUALLY SHOT!


JUST A REMINDER WITH THE LINK

I have an 8 year old Craftsman (AYP) heavy duty lawn tractor that is developing some sludge/varnish. Last season, it was filled with Rotella-T 15W-40 HDEO. Well, it don't like thick oil. It burned it at about 8 oz. per week (10-12 hours). Now that I am a BITOG'er, I want to clean her up and thought about this method:

When I get time, I will tear it down and rebuild it.

B&S recommends their "warranty certified hd 30wt oil" nothing on bottle to suggest it is syn/blend/conventional. Burns thru it like no tomorrow.


http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/...wflat&Number=1829761


This is the other story showing the opposite

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/...=1861000#Post1861000

Remember........the engine is shot and had sludge/varnish that was pre-cleaned for the "PHOTO SHOOT"......and the OP-ED by dave



When story lines change that fast and that much........who knows what to believe. My guess,the valve rocker in the photo, and the valve cover were first sprayed down with carb/brake cleaner,dried off,and then..........photo taken to show Kirk(me) how good dino/mineral oil is.

NICE PIECE OF WORK DAVE! AIN'T GONNA BUY IT!

You could have at least tried to fool me and left some slightly darkened used oil dripping off things. But with everything bone dry, and artificially shiny,clean and obviously stripped of any residual oil.............. FAHGETTABOUDIT!!!


Kirk

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Originally posted by Deltona_Dave:
Well, Now I will be accused of using MMO/Seafoam/Auto-RX by our favorite troll Honest Injun, this 10HP Briggs has never seen oil treatment, except for somewhat regular OCI. She's not real quiet, but It can handle a 30+ amp load with out even bogging down.

Dave

Don't forget the ever popular claim you, me, and everyone else who doesn't agree with him are the same poster.

Kirk old son, you have no credibility.

The only reason the rockers are dry, is that it has not been started in a few days. Look at the gasket, there is some goop on it. Not saying it is surgically clean, but that Briggs and Stratton know what they are doing, building engines.

No smoke and mirrors here. Take a good look at the oil galleries on the bottom of the rockers. about the size of an American Nickel (5 cent piece).

I would never spray carb cleaner in the valve train, not good for me, but then I would not use left over pencil shavings (synlube) in my engine either.

Think what you want Kirk. I will take a CVSA to prove you different. Forget a Polygraph, too easy to beat.

Dave

I even posted an apology on BITOG. If they think I am a shill, looser, liar, whatever, then Helen can ban me.

This genny was pulled out of the garage, opened up and photographed. It was not run. Not a good idea to pull rocker covers when engine is hot, but Kirk would not understand that.

I stand by my post. I do not use a non-certified oil. Call me a liar, or what ever. The facts are there. At least I take pictures

Dave

Pictures huh?

Well good luck as verifiable truths seem to be absent from this huckster/liar.

Miro/kirk/the other, they/he like to copy and paste and plagarize others but actually providing data from them will not happen...I doubt he even has one

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This genny was pulled out of the garage, opened up and photographed. It was not run. Not a good idea to pull rocker covers when engine is hot, but Kirk would not understand that.

Sure,I used to be SUN-SNAP ON REP,I do all my own maintenance,have a ton of tools,but don't understand hot engines.


And Dave...what does this remark of yours say/prove about your real motive

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I would never spray carb cleaner in the valve train, not good for me, but then I would not use left over pencil shavings (synlube) in my engine either.

So DAVE......according to your above remark...why are my engines running flawlessly with, as you say,....."PENCIL SHAVINGS" ???

Do you have an issue with colloids,or synlube(you mentioned it)...... even though colloids are industry proven and used by many brands of oil,not just the one I happen to use with great results.

People have been running straight 30 Wt in small engines for years now,big deal. What exactly is your photo supposed to prove with regard to a $40,000 car/suv,and a $5,000-$10,000 or more replacement cost for the engine. What does a 190CC air cooled hot running toy engine have in common with a modern day car engine that also happens to have sophisticated emission systems that the toy in the photo does not!

Car engines see short trips,incomplete warm-ups,condensation and moisture laden oil,emission system issues,all of which can lead to sludge,wear,corrosion(acid), and erosion(friction) based wear. That is why all those car engines were sludging up. I never mentioned air cooled lawn mower engine sludge. Although I did drop a link showing why synthetic is better in air cooled engines.

I see no reason to try and save a few pennies installing cheap dino oil in a tiny little air cooled engine which only uses 16 oz of oil just to try and prove a meaningless point When synthetic oil is already been proven better even in those engines........BECAUSE THEY RUN SO STINKING HOT!!!!

Why are all the small engine manufactures now recommending synthetic if dino oil is good enough according to you?? ANSWER.......THE SMALL, AIR COOLED ENGINES RUN HOT, AND SYNTHETIC CAN HANDLE HEAT, MUCH,MUCH BETTER!

This link addresses the issues that air cooled engines have and why they need synthetic.........because they run hot.

http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html


And for generators......

http://www.genspringparts.com/id16.html


This would be a dedicated 4-stroke oil that is better suited for a typical mower engine.
Remember.those small engines don't have emission systems or cats,so the oil can have all the anti-wear additives that car oil cannot. The amsoil in the link below is actually very good for a 4-stroke engine.

http://www.syntheticoilmart.co...e_10w-30_sae_30.html

I personally do not recommend using modern day automotive grade motor oil in a small air cooled engine........unless it is racing or off road preferably synthetic motor oil loaded with ZINC......or the stuff you guys like to knock, that is,........in all my small engines, and all are running perfect.

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And what engines would those be? You've made a great many claims, Almost all of which have been debunked.

TRAJAN.........I have yet to see you debunk squat!!!!!!!

Remember,I have uncovered all the facts presented thus far.......including the worn out,sludged/varnished mower engine...............that no one else caught,except for me...as usual. I like getting to the truth by uncovering the facts!

So far,by my count,I have all the credibility on this forum.......and you have.....ZERO.

Remember Trajan,you too have also been caught lying.

I Have only presented the hard core, scientific, indisputable facts....... and you, don't like it!!

I guess as the saying goes...........THE TRUTH HURTS.......especially when the "other guy"(me),thought of it first. OH Well!

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Should I mention the clean engines shown here. The ones that use mineral oil? The ones you can't explain.

Let me explain all to well about the so called clean......I mean sludged up, shot engines that were shown to give the illusion of being sound and clean.

The proof again....quoting dave who said the engine was clean on page 1 of this very thread.

I have an 8 year old Craftsman (AYP) heavy duty lawn tractor that is developing some sludge/varnish. Last season, it was filled with Rotella-T 15W-40 HDEO. Well, it don't like thick oil. It burned it at about 8 oz. per week (10-12 hours). Now that I am a BITOG'er, I want to clean her up and thought about this method:

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/...wflat&Number=1829761


There's your proof!!

@Moderators: Please use your BAN hammer on Kirk...Thank You.

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Originally posted by Nucleardawg:
@Moderators: Please use your BAN hammer on Kirk...Thank You.

The one thing I can't figure out up to this point,NUKE.........is why the MODS have not dropped the ban hammer on you,of all characters.

If this link below and all your posts ain't reason enough to be banned,with you being the poster boy of who should be banned,I'm not sure what would be....reason enough........you absolutely take the cake bro!

https://forums.noria.com/eve/fo...rtType=1&u=815109593

Not your bro...goober...Wait I thought I was on ignore...Just another lie from a person who makes a point of living a lie.

Now go takes some pics of that generator...or is that a lie as well.

You are amusing to me though.

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Originally posted by Nucleardawg:
@Moderators: Please use your BAN hammer on Kirk...Thank You.

Nucleardawg, you are so very predictable. I just knew that as I read the past few pages that there would eventually be a post by you wanting the thread locked, somebody banned, etc. Your usual POINTLESS, inane, insulting, brainless, goofy stuff. It's not your business to instruct the people who run this Board.

Kirk...Sooner or later you will be gone. Enjoy what time you have left.

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Originally posted by Nucleardawg:
Kirk...Sooner or later you will be gone. Enjoy what time you have left.

Then what will you do when you are bored? Go snort another line.

Well just on time Kirk beams out...and the other alien beams in

Nah Inhaliburton I don't do drugs...Tomorrow I'm driving over to see my parents.

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Originally posted by Nucleardawg:
Nah Inhaliburton I don't do drugs...Tomorrow I'm driving over to see my parents.

That's tomorrow nuke......what about tonight...........like right now for example...and all of your posts that say you do!!


I think inHaliburton might be on to something!

Your just angry as I have repeatedly got the better of you...and those are verifiable facts.

Now crawl back into your cave little man...maybe you matter there...Here...Your just an angry troll who likes getting slapped around on a regular basis.

Just the facts as you like to say

hahahaha...This little man cannot even makeup his own digs...I mentioned about pulling the doll strings a few pages ago.

You are SOOOOOO UN-ORIGINAL....What a loser.

Now go plagarize something again so we all can have another laugh at your expense...

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Here...Your just an angry troll who likes getting slapped around on a regular basis.

You are SOOOOOO UN-ORIGINAL....What a loser.



Sounds like you're describing yourself exactly!!! NUKE!

Hey Kirk don't you own a V6 Mustang? Your so bad

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Originally posted by Nucleardawg:
Hey Kirk don't you own a V6 Mustang? Your so bad

The wife owns that.......paid cash my friend......same goes for the Jeep!

You see, I don't have a middle age crisis car like you do,I am not there yet like you are,and my wife fits very nicely in the mustang too...."once you go fat.......you don't go back" is your motto,right! NOT MY MOTTO, unless it's my wallet!!

Your wallets small like a few other things I hear...My wife has her own Corvette and she's better looking as well...But we all know you have nothing like you say...Not even a generator. At least I have pics....What do you have? Hot air..

Show us at least the Yugo...Paid cash for a v6 Mustang...wow what a high roller... You know what Kirk...I will pay that every year for my son's tuition...I guess that makes me a higher roller.

You see Kirk I can afford to pay for the impractical...But I guess you can to, after all you own a Yugo.HAHAHA

I would say the Z4 strikes a perfect balance between sporty and classy. I drive Ford's and Chevy's, and I would imagine, I would only be envious of the handling characteristics of your car.

The Z3 was the precursor to your car I believe, similar styling. Did you have any opportunity to compare the 2 vehicles?



Great looking car Trajan...Though I'm sure the resident troll, will simply call it a mid life crisis vehicle, like my Corvette is.

Have you had the opportunity to give it a good flogging on some twisty roads? Bet that baby really shines there.

I've never driven a Z3, but it is a nice, classic design. The styling of the Z4 was a bit of a controversy. You can have alot of fun in a Z3

A great many Z3s are still on the road.

Not too many twisty roads around here. But it really holds the curves.

The most useless things in the car are the cup holders. Right under the side vents. Really easy to break one with your knee getting out if you forget it's open.

Miro is hard to keep up with,all these different id,damn how many more he have? thats the question.
Still at the end of the day,mineral oil are still pretty good.Even if he scream otherwise,instead of some shady INTERNET page found with google we have real life to prove it.


Thats my ride,i dont know how to call that a crisis or a money pit ? Since ,i have seen young and old hitting the trail and having a good time


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One of my brothers is on his second jeep. Loves them, but hates the mpg.

That winch can come in handy.