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September Tim, my dosing was off, remember I was using MMO in the gas and made the change. The TCW3 dose I was using was a little to much. Sorry I didn't update you. All is well now. Just for the record Tim I do switch to MMO from time to time too. Make a note of that.

A buddy of mine has an old Ford that uses a little oil, TCW3 in the gas has reduced his oil use.

How about those Amsoil filters for Toyota, cut the sevice interval by 10,000 miles, drop the price less than $2. STRONG.........Oh yea and they failed to deliver as promised. So much for testing the finished product.


As far as pulling oil off the shelf to test, Amsoil doesn't have to worry about SSO and ASM, no testing to fail, they aren't part of it.

AD

The GF is ready, I'm out of here.
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Originally posted by Trajan:
Tim says: "why don't the 2 cycle and auto manufacturers recommend it?"

By said logic, no one should be using amsoil as no car manufacturer recommends it.

I suspect that it amsoil had a TC-W3 rated oil, Tim would be telling us to use it. He'd have some amsoilcentric tests too.


No, the auto manufacturers recommend the API classification and SAE viscosity. Which AMSOIL and many other oils meet.

The auto manufacturers do not recommend 2 cycle oil.

AMSOIL does have a TC-W3 rated oil. http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/hpi.aspx?zo=1181889 . They and I do not recommend it for use in 4 cycle engines. Just like all the other 2 cycle oil companies and auto manufacturers.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tim Vipond:
How is Redline SI-1 cheaper than PI, when Redline recommends adding in every tank of gas, and PI is recommended every 4,000 miles. Redline is WAY more expensive.

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Redline is to be used with every tankful for the benfit of adding much needed lube to todays 'dry' and damaging fuel,and to maintain consistant fuel injector spray patterns.

After all Tim,would you eat junk food for several months and then load up on health food for one day to fix the damage the junk food has done to your body. The smart money is on a consistant daily healthy diet as a means to stay healthy all the time.


Just a short duration of poor fuel economy can be costly,therefore....the redline might actually pay for itselt in the long run........by maintaining an ideal injector spray pattern,lubeing the fuel,and preventing drivabilty and fuel economy issues.

Prevention is the best maintenance! Dirty or clogged injectors can be impossible to clean once they get bad enough with conventional on car cleaning techniques.

This is what one should try to avoid because it's costly and sometimes the only alternative to new injectors.

OFF CAR INJECTOR CLEANING...

http://video.search.yahoo.com/...l+injection+cleaning
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Originally posted by Tim Vipond:
Why not use a product formulated specifically for your purpose such as https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/api.aspx?zo=1181889 ?


Why in the hell is this even mentioned? It is not a 2cycle oil.

Can we *ever* have a thread about oil without it turning into a sales pitch for amsoil?

I mean, c'mon... amsoil doesn't even make a TC-W3 rated oil.

Are amsoil sales that bad that some guy has to push the product in every thread.

And when I do use an injector cleaner, it's Gumout Regane. Which works well. And I can get it at Walmart for <$5.

Or, I could follow Tim logic and use Techron. Which, unlike PI, is recommended by an auto maker.

Go here and tell them. maybe you'll get a few bites Tim. http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/...=1573591&nt=7&page=1

You'll have a much wider audience there and in the LS1 forum thread.

But I suspect you'll get bit instead.

ps, None of the amsoil sellers there are pushing their product, yelling the sales mantra.
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I see this forum has been infected with the Vipond Virus also.
Tens of thousands of people have logged their results all over the internet utilizing TCW3. Vipond keeps asking me for a "report" and I keep telling him to go read all over the internet. He jabber talks to Shell (inferring to put the TCW3 into the crankcase) then post they do not recommend it. No I doubt they do Smile I doubt they would recommend putting it into gasoline for a 4stroke either Timmy Boy.....so what?
Vipond...if you do not wish to use TCW3 in your fuel then by all means do not. But to try and argue it is doing some kind of damage or is not providing results to the thousands of people who have positive results and have posted is just insane. Just keep trolling Amsoil on every forum (that you haven't been banned from yet).............Oh well....this guy does more damage to Amsoil than any Amsoil hater ever would.
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Originally posted by Sarge:
Tens of thousands of people have logged their results all over the internet utilizing TCW3.
I've only seen some anonymous posters with anecdotes say it seems to work for them, some say it doesn't. So do placebos. So does a coin flip.
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Originally posted by Sarge: Vipond keeps asking me for a "report" and I keep telling him to go read all over the internet.
You said "All I can say is we have documented well over 6 million miles in our volunteers automobiles since I began this experiment". I just asked to see your documentation and your experiment and you haven't provided either. If this miracle works like you think, I would think that all the two stroke companies, gasoline companies, and automobile manufacturers would recommend it. They don't.
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Originally posted by Sarge:
I see this forum has been infected with the Vipond Virus also.
Tens of thousands of people have logged their results all over the internet utilizing TCW3. Vipond keeps asking me for a "report" and I keep telling him to go read all over the internet. He jabber talks to Shell (inferring to put the TCW3 into the crankcase) then post they do not recommend it. No I doubt they do Smile I doubt they would recommend putting it into gasoline for a 4stroke either Timmy Boy.....so what?
Vipond...if you do not wish to use TCW3 in your fuel then by all means do not. But to try and argue it is doing some kind of damage or is not providing results to the thousands of people who have positive results and have posted is just insane. Just keep trolling Amsoil on every forum (that you haven't been banned from yet).............Oh well....this guy does more damage to Amsoil than any Amsoil hater ever would.


Welcome back Sarge! TCW3 working well for me, and in the GF's Jeep. My beater idles better with it in the gas, to the point where I can tell when it isn't in the gas. I had similar observations with MMO but the TCW3 is cheaper!

While on leave for the Holidays I didn't bring any on my road trip. NOT GOOD SARGE! I started adding as soon as I got back to Bermerton and the idle is nice and smooth again. Sorry I didn't log mpg.

AD
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
quote:
Originally posted by Sarge:
I see this forum has been infected with the Vipond Virus also.
Tens of thousands of people have logged their results all over the internet utilizing TCW3. Vipond keeps asking me for a "report" and I keep telling him to go read all over the internet. He jabber talks to Shell (inferring to put the TCW3 into the crankcase) then post they do not recommend it. No I doubt they do Smile I doubt they would recommend putting it into gasoline for a 4stroke either Timmy Boy.....so what?
Vipond...if you do not wish to use TCW3 in your fuel then by all means do not. But to try and argue it is doing some kind of damage or is not providing results to the thousands of people who have positive results and have posted is just insane. Just keep trolling Amsoil on every forum (that you haven't been banned from yet).............Oh well....this guy does more damage to Amsoil than any Amsoil hater ever would.


Welcome back Sarge! TCW3 working well for me, and in the GF's Jeep. My beater idles better with it in the gas, to the point where I can tell when it isn't in the gas. I had similar observations with MMO but the TCW3 is cheaper!

While on leave for the Holidays I didn't bring any on my road trip. NOT GOOD SARGE! I started adding as soon as I got back to Bermerton and the idle is nice and smooth again. Sorry I didn't log mpg.

AD

Thanks man.....yeah many folks can tell the difference. I know I can in my hot rods and my old truck...well....it sorta is a hot rod also Smile
You know I did not come up with this. As I stated a few years ago when I first solicited folks input on using it....guys have been doing this for over 50 years. I was just curious and asked on a open forum. I never dreamed the responses nor it would go viral as it did. But I got my responses now didn't I Smile
Good to see your well............
Happy New Year to you sir! My dad and uncle have used it on and off for a long time too. My uncle swears his boat needs a UCL with the lousy ethanol gas. He gets better power adding either MMO or TCW3 to the gas. He thinks MMO cleans better, but for a tired engine TCW3 gets two thumbs up from him. He feels it makes for a better ring seal which could explain the bit more power he gets out of the old 250 I6 powered boat he has, and a smoother idle.

Not everything has to be spelled out on paper with a labs letterhead to work. Many successful products were born by accident. Even with supposed testing companies screw up then have to issue TSB's and redesign certain products because they fail in actual use. So where was the testing done? In actual use in some instances. So I take lab reports, testing, studies, corporate data, related to the oil industry the same way I see an advertisement. As paid for BS.

AD
A great many products have been discovered to have uses outside what it was originally designed for. (When the screws holding the arms on my glasses kept coming off, I used nail polish on them. And they stayed put.)

I remember back in the day of slowly pouring ATF into the carb while the engine was running. Cleaned things out.

The problem that I see here is the following. Using TC-W3 oil as a fuel add is money not being spent on an Amsoil product.

Demands are being made for "offical" documentation. Which is nonsense, as this is not marketed toward 4 cycle engines.

Many, many, people use this in their gas. I've been doing this for more than a year. I still have the original cat. I still have the original engine. I used Fuel Power in my 97 Camaro.

All of which had no ill effect.

Now I hate to break it to Tim, but no oil company in the world is going to endorse using fuel additives, unless of course it is one they make.

Now, a smart salesman/woman would say "Lots of people are using TC-W3 in their gas. There must be something to this. I better start telling my company they should get in on this."

A smart one would anyway.

Here's a question. Where is the documentation that says use of TC-W3 oil as a fuel additive will wreck the fuel system/engine/emissions.

This Amsoil uber alles is just so much claptrap when one consideres all the viable alternatives.
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Originally posted by Trajan:



Now I hate to break it to Tim, but no oil company in the world is going to endorse using fuel additives, unless of course it is one they make.

Now, a smart salesman/woman would say "Lots of people are using TC-W3 in their gas. There must be something to this. I better start telling my company they should get in on this."

A smart one would anyway.



Here's what a smart salesman would say: People are using TCW3 added to gas with good results. Although it isn't mentioned on the label, and the company hasn't officially endorsed it, it works. Google it and see for yourself. If you think its something you'd like to try it? I can hook you up.

Simple, effective selling. It would be hard for TV now because he'd look like a fool to make an about face like that. His loss, or he'd be pushing TCW3 here, so its one less Amsoil product he's pushing here on us.

AD
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
Do you have proof at 1 ounce/5 gallons of gas that it is killing catalytic converters? Have you gone to LS1.com and asked? 6,000,000 miles and counting.

AD


Catalytic converters and emission control systems are often warranted for 10 years. Do you have any proof that it will not harm catalytic converters and emission systems for 10 years? You guys seem to think it is safe and recommend it to others. Can you prove it? Will you pay if any damage occurs? Why take the chance if you can't prove it?
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
No need for me to prove anything Tim. My pop has been using a UCL in a Ford from the 80's still and has the original CC. My uncle does it as well, along with a lot of people they know. LS1 site has totaled according to Sarge's count over 6,000,000 miles. That is all the proof I need.

Go ask your question on the LS1 site, or were you banned from there? Better yet, search the www. and list all the cars ruined from a UCL.

AD
I thought we were talking about TCW3 two stroke oil which was not formulated for, not tested in, not recommended by any manufacturer and not warranted for use in four stroke gasoline vehicles with catalytic converters. Not UCL that was formulated for and tested in gasoline engines. Why are you changing the subject? Again, why take the chance?
I know TCW3 two stroke oil works Tim, how's that? I'm taking the chance, and enjoying a better running beater as a result. People walking across the street take chances too, no big deal. Again, go to LS1 board, that's if you can and ask there. Preach to the guys who ran the 6,000,000 million miles and tell them. Link to this site so they can fully understand you. Sorry for grouping TCW3 into the UCL category, truth is that is what it's being used for over there, and what I'm taking about here. Besides IIRC you aren't a fan of MMO, or Lucas UCL either are you? Do you believe gas is perfectly formulated to be the very best for your engine?

AD
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Originally posted by Tim Vipond:
So you cannot prove that TCW3 works and that it will not shorten the life of catalytic converters over the lifetime of the car and that it will not void the warranty. That is good enough for me.

Nope. And I cannot prove baby pigeons exist either. Never seen one.
I can and have requested peoples experience with utilizing a 2stroke oil in their gas in July 2008. Got lots of responses. Why don't you commission a study and provide us with the proof you need one way or the other. In the meantime thousands of folks will motor happily down the road with 1oz of TCW3 to 5 gallons of fuel....and have been for over 50 years.
You see....we (the TCW3 users) are testing and experimenting. You are selling. We will continue to test/report/share/debate and you can continue to sell.....or whatever it is you do.
Yes Sarge we are testing. Tim talks about testing, etc....... I wonder if Amsoil tested the EaO filters on Honda and Toyota applications for 6,000,000 miles to see if they'd fail. I don't think so, they failed and had to be redesigned. Seems the end user did the testing, without even knowing it. I wonder if they tested the 15,000 mile service life of the new and improved filter for 6,000,000 miles? At least here we're doing our own testing at our own expense, and taking "the risk".

AD
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Originally posted by Sarge:
In the meantime thousands of folks will motor happily down the road with 1oz of TCW3 to 5 gallons of fuel....and have been for over 50 years.
You see....we (the TCW3 users) are testing and experimenting. You are selling. We will continue to test/report/share/debate and you can continue to sell.....or whatever it is you do.
So now you state as fact that TCW3 has been around for 50 years. I thought it was introduced around 1992. Care to share your reference?
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
I wonder if Amsoil tested the EaO filters on Honda and Toyota applications for 6,000,000 miles to see if they'd fail. I don't think so, they failed and had to be redesigned. Seems the end user did the testing, without even knowing it. I wonder if they tested the 15,000 mile service life of the new and improved filter for 6,000,000 miles? At least here we're doing our own testing at our own expense, and taking "the risk".

AD
Where did they fail? Was it an individual filter? They've sold millions. As with all man made products, that can happen. I understood that under extreme conditions and in a few sludge prone cars there was potential to be a problem, so they redesigned and shortened the interval and lowered the price. And why are you changing the subject again?
Good God, you think it's TV that will be paying for any repairs that come from using this......

This quixotic like quest is getting him nowhere, so I don't see why he continues.

Being that he doesn't use it, why is he even in this thread? He hasn't proven that an oil designed to be burned with fuel is bad. He hasn't proven any ill effects to any part of the fuel or emission systems.

None of the people in this thread who use it are selling it. None of us who use it really care if someone uses it or not.

This hard sell nonsense is annoying. This hard sell nonsense turns people off. It makes me declare that I will never, ever, use any Amsoil product. Especially as there are good or better alternatives for less money.

I use TC-W3 in my 2004 BMW Z4 3.0i. Tim, suck it up and deal with it.
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
He's referring to two cycle oil as a UCL. It has been around for over a century. It was discovered that TCW3 which I believe is considered ashless works better in modern applications than two cycle oil.

AD
He clearly stated as a fact that TCW3 has been used for 50 years as a four stroke additive. I asked him for a reference.
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Originally posted by Trajan:
Good God, you think it's TV that will be paying for any repairs that come from using this......

This hard sell nonsense is annoying. This hard sell nonsense turns people off. It makes me declare that I will never, ever, use any Amsoil product. Especially as there are good or better alternatives for less money.

I use TC-W3 in my 2004 BMW Z4 3.0i. Tim, suck it up and deal with it.


Trajan I said in another post Tim was turning people off. I also said I'd never, ever use Amsoil again, as a direct result of him, more so than any other reason!

As far as him stopping his hard sell, and endless rants, it will happen when the mods here get sick of him like the mods of other sites and boot him. Until then enjoy the show.

AD
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Originally posted by Tim Vipond:
quote:
Originally posted by Sarge:
In the meantime thousands of folks will motor happily down the road with 1oz of TCW3 to 5 gallons of fuel....and have been for over 50 years.
You see....we (the TCW3 users) are testing and experimenting. You are selling. We will continue to test/report/share/debate and you can continue to sell.....or whatever it is you do.
So now you state as fact that TCW3 has been around for 50 years. I thought it was introduced around 1992. Care to share your reference?

I'll speak s l o w l y.
People have been putting "stuff" in the fuel for many years including but not limited to diesel fuel, 2stroke oil, ATF etc. None of it recommended by any manufacturer.
You see Timmy Americans for over two hundred years always testing and trying things ....we thought out of the box. Like ALBERT J. AMATUZIO ...we tried new things....it is called American ingenuity.....
Hot Rodders espicially.....now I do not know your nationality nor where you come from....but that is America. We color outside the lines. It is what made this country great and created entrepreneurs like Amatuzio the founder of Amsoil. Now a flat head would have challenged old Joe to provide proof his new synthetic motor oil worked. This flat head would have campaigned against Joe at every corner. How dare he try something "outside the norm".
It is good old fashioned American Ingenuity.
Get used to it Timmy cuz it ain't gonna change.
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Originally posted by Sarge:
quote:
Originally posted by Tim Vipond:
quote:
Originally posted by Sarge:
In the meantime thousands of folks will motor happily down the road with 1oz of TCW3 to 5 gallons of fuel....and have been for over 50 years.
You see....we (the TCW3 users) are testing and experimenting. You are selling. We will continue to test/report/share/debate and you can continue to sell.....or whatever it is you do.
So now you state as fact that TCW3 has been around for 50 years. I thought it was introduced around 1992. Care to share your reference?

I'll speak s l o w l y.
People have been putting "stuff" in the fuel for many years including but not limited to diesel fuel, 2stroke oil, ATF etc. None of it recommended by any manufacturer.
You see Timmy... Americans for over two hundred years always testing and trying things ....we thought out of the box. Like ALBERT J. AMATUZIO ...we tried new things....it is called American ingenuity.....
Hot Rodders espicially.....now I do not know your nationality nor where you come from....but that is America. We color outside the lines. It is what made this country great and created entrepreneurs like Amatuzio the founder of Amsoil. Now a flat head would have challenged old Joe to provide proof his new synthetic motor oil worked. This flat head would have campaigned against Joe at every corner. How dare he try something "outside the norm".
It is good old fashioned American Ingenuity.
Get used to it Timmy cuz it ain't gonna change.
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Originally posted by Sarge:
Double post for some reason. My cats must be clogged Smile


Must be that 50 year old TCW3 you claimed people have been using for the past 50 years. Still waiting for your reference.

quote:
Originally posted by Sarge:
"In the meantime thousands of folks will motor happily down the road with 1oz of TCW3 to 5 gallons of fuel....and have been for over 50 years."

So now you state as fact that TCW3 has been around for 50 years. I thought it was introduced around 1992. Care to share your reference?
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I'll speak s l o w l y.
People have been putting "stuff" in the fuel for many years including but not limited to diesel fuel, 2stroke oil, ATF etc. None of it recommended by any manufacturer.

Timmy....I repeat again for your sake.
I agree TCW3 has not been around 50 years.
2stroke oil has and folks have been using it and other products as a fuel add for a very long time.
I repeat. If you do not wish to use it by all means dont. Who cares. I am not a sales person...thank God.
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Originally posted by Sarge:
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I'll speak s l o w l y.
People have been putting "stuff" in the fuel for many years including but not limited to diesel fuel, 2stroke oil, ATF etc. None of it recommended by any manufacturer.

Timmy....I repeat again for your sake.
I agree TCW3 has not been around 50 years.
2stroke oil has and folks have been using it and other products as a fuel add for a very long time.
I repeat. If you do not wish to use it by all means dont. Who cares. I am not a sales person...thank God.

Cool...I just discovered the Ignore Botton. Bye Tim.

After reading this thread and this Tim more on and his constant and unapologetic shilling and trolling, I signed up specifically to say that not only have I been using two cycle oil as fuel additive in my truck for 13 years and getting amazing results, I wanted to announce that I will NEVER spend a single penny of my money on an AMSOIL product as long as I live.  

My goodness this Tim dude deserves a raise. I’m sure I’m not the only one he has turned off of the AMSOIL BRAND FOR LIFE.

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