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Originally posted by Trajan:
Ah, what nonsense...... It isn't for AD to confirm or deny claims that the US Navy uses the swill.

Being that he isn't claiming they do.




Why not? Ad has been telling us what his Dad uses and thinks,and also what his Uncle thinks and/or does/did!

I used to work on my Dad and Uncles cars..... not just oil changes,that was the easy part! They both came to me for Info,not the other way around...and my dad was a tool and dye maker to boot. I had spent more time under the hood and chassis of my own car than behind the wheel because I had always bought very used cars with good engines,and fixed them up,and I was pretty good at it all around! Still am if needed.........got all the tools,but not much to fix with new cars.

Well Ad,we've heard about your dad,and we've heard about your uncle........Now let's hear what your other Uncle is doing...............UNCLE SAM!!!
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Well lets see Kirk. I listen to people who I know and respect. My Dad and Uncle fit the bill. You won't find two more knowledgeable people when it comes to engines, how to build them and maintain them. They use oil that works well, base it on the age of the car. No point in wasting money on Synthetic when dino will do the job in a beater. OTOH they use a good synthetic when they feel they need or want to.

While I'm on the topic of respect. I respect and believe Lamont knows about engines and oil. Typically when a person is not doing well in a discussion they attack out of fear. Seems Lamont has you against the ropes. Time for your cheap shots? They aren't working! I'd follow his advise over yours, as would most members on the board. Why? I believe him, he has no agenda, and you haven't proven a thing. You think you have but............Synlube is working for you great. For every Synlube user there are millions and millions of people successfully using Synthetic and dino oils with sludge free good running engines. So what is your point?

As far as my Uncle Sam, it was your comedy team that mentioned Synlube is used by the Navy. Prove it, I have no need to, since: A. I think the story is BS. B. I'll never use the stuff. C. I couldn't care less. Besides it is Miro's homework assignment. Maybe he should prove an address, and a business license and build some credibility first.

AD
Generally if anyone requests any information about Government or Military dealings or contracts at the very MINIMUM, we first have to obtain permission to disclose such data, and at the MINIMUM we have to provide this FIRST:

Name
Address (Street, City, STATE, ZIP)
SS#
DOB
US Citizenship Status
Contact Phone #
and e-mail

If you are willing to disclose this information publicly on this board then I will be happy to forward it to the person who is responsible for the purchasing.

You can e-mail it to synlube@synlube.com as well

And do not forget to attach short memo explaining why you want to have such information disclosed to you.

Just following the regulations and rules which you should be aware of - not any different than any other such request.

If you do not believe it just ask the same of TEXACO, SHELL and UNOCAL to provide you with such information.
His excuses are improving, at least it isn't a top secret story. How about a business license, or an actual business address? A picture of the mfg facility? That should be easy for him, he can even copy and paste something then photoshop it for it for us.

Notice the use of the SS# & DOB. How about Moms maiden name? LOL like someone would give Miro that info. With his stellar track record here I'm surprised he gets a CC number to sell product.

AD
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Taterandnoodles

Well then it is you who must be buying SynLube since the e-mailed orders also end in @med.navy.mil

Add if you have a security clearance you calim to have you should have absolutely NO problem to verify SynLube purchase orders for YAMAHA generators they just bought 3 of them last week (NEW) that is all I can and will tell you.
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Oil purchases are no great secret. None of that information is required. My digital signature is far more then what is required.


Then prove it post the PO's from SHELL, TEXACO and UNOCAL they all supply oil to Navy.

If it is no secret have the Navy or the Suppliers send you the information, I'll bet you $1,000 you can not get any of that !!!
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Originally posted by Trajan:
Apparently, you are allowed to know who makes the weapons used, but not who buys this "oil".



Ok...all you 'brain surgeons'.........this is how it done! It's called 'Sherlocking'.

So,what lubricant does the military use now that we're on the subject....

http://answers.yahoo.com/quest...0080417190018AAX4DIL

Re-fined oil.....

http://www.green.ca.gov/EPP/Vehicles/MotorOil.htm

http://aec.army.mil/usaec/news...fall03/fall0319.html

SECRET MILITARY OIL..........THAT'S RIGHT--IT'S A SECRET.........

http://www.omninerd.com/comments/28811


NASCAR SECRET MOTOR OIL..

http://www.newser.com/story/55...on-is-motor-oil.html


BOTTOM LINE..............IT'S A SECRET!! GEE---WHO KNEW??

I'm sure if you kept digging you could prove that synlube is used,Trajan.
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Originally posted by Taterandnoodles:
Perhaps you recall the emails you received from my work account. They end in med.navy.mil aka navy medicine. All of them where signed via PKI which is pulled from my CAC.

Oil purchases are no great secret. None of that information is required. My digital signature is far more then what is required.


Well then it is you who must be buying SynLube since the e-mailed orders also end in @med.navy.mil


Miro quoted....
Add if you have a security clearance you calim to have you should have absolutely NO problem to verify SynLube purchase orders for YAMAHA generators they just bought 3 of them last week (NEW) that is all I can and will tell you.
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Well,Tater.........we are waiting.
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Originally posted by Miro Kefurt:
Well then it is you who must be buying SynLube since the e-mailed orders also end in @med.navy.mil



The purchasing agents email ends in med.navy.mil fantastic. Email me their name and I will look them up in global.

Shell does not have to sell lubricants directly although they can if they choose. Any GSA contract holder carrying any of shells products can carry them in their catalog. For Pennzoil (a shell product) the Gov can purchase 10w-30 from:

1. Capital supply, inc,
2. Mensch Mill & lumber,
3. Veteran Logistics inc,
4. Complete Packaging & shipping suppl,
5. Supplycore inc.

This is the 1st 5 I see listed on a non-secure site anyone can access. All of the above vendors hold a GSA contract and can sell motor oil and any other product they carry via said contract.

I am looking at what would be considered small purchases $3k and below although contracts can be awarded for substantial higher amounts.
Ad
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For every Synlube user there are millions and millions of people successfully using Synthetic and dino oils with sludge free good running engines. So what is your point?



You don't know what my point is by now,AD?

OK, here it is...again.................NO (normal) OIL CHANGES ARE NEEDED!!!! Well,maybe every 50-100k if so desired. Sooner, if you're really a maintenance fanatic,and you will get 100% credit for the returned used oil. Then, new free oil is shipped back to you for free.

GET IT NOW,AD?

Let me also add that this oil when it's used, is waayyyyy better than store bought 'new' oil !!!

That's the bottom line point I've been telling you!
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Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
quote:
Originally posted by Trajan:
Apparently, you are allowed to know who makes the weapons used, but not who buys this "oil".



Ok...all you 'brain surgeons'.........this is how it done! It's called 'Sherlocking'.

So,what lubricant does the military use now that we're on the subject....

http://answers.yahoo.com/quest...0080417190018AAX4DIL

Re-fined oil.....

http://www.green.ca.gov/EPP/Vehicles/MotorOil.htm

http://aec.army.mil/usaec/news...fall03/fall0319.html

SECRET MILITARY OIL..........THAT'S RIGHT--IT'S A SECRET.........

http://www.omninerd.com/comments/28811


NASCAR SECRET MOTOR OIL..

http://www.newser.com/story/55...on-is-motor-oil.html


BOTTOM LINE..............IT'S A SECRET!! GEE---WHO KNEW??

I'm sure if you kept digging you could prove that synlube is used,Trajan.


Where does it say Synlube? It says Mil-Spec. The military has people bid they set the specs, not the oil company. Still no mention of "Synlube". I'd think Uncle Sam would do business with a company that has an address and license. Not from two con-artists with a lousy web-site.

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Anything the military buys has what is called Mil-spec (military specifications) they put out for bid for a supplier that meets or exceeds those specs, the oil is then put in containers that just says motor oil mil-spec such and such, thats the way it's done with everything from ash trays to tampons.

Safety Kleen recycles and sells recycled oil. Is Synlube part of Safety Kleen?

Then another article mentions the SAE and Synthetic 5W40 oil in trucks going 100K. No word of Synlube. Besides Synlube is 5W50 IIRC.

Maybe you can highlite Synlube being mentioned in any of those articles Kirk. My eyes are tired.

Remember Kirk just because you say so, and it is on the internet doesn't make it a fact. Those links are generalizations at best. Synlube not mentioned once.

Besides how about that business address and copy of the license from Costello/Miro?

AD
I should add re-refined is closed loop meaning its kept in the stock system making it readily available and meeting the required mil-spec.

It does not mean the Gov only uses re-refined oil. My example above is not re-refined and products produced by shell, exxonmobil, castrol and even smaller companies like Royal purple and schaeffers are available from 1 quart to 55 gallon.
Kirk old boy, it's not me who claims the military uses synlube, but your Geppetto who claims it.

Geppetto, once again, made claims that he can't back up. And again, performs the synlube shuffle. And hangs himself, yet again.

My only surprise is that the other puppet isn't here attacking those who question him. Cut the strings perhaps?
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Originally posted by Taterandnoodles:
I should add re-refined is closed loop meaning its kept in the stock system making it readily available and meeting the required mil-spec.

It does not mean the Gov only uses re-refined oil. My example above is not re-refined and products produced by shell, exxonmobil, castrol and even smaller companies like Royal purple and schaeffers are available from 1 quart to 55 gallon.




Good read,Tater!

This part of the read is what many people don't realize.

"Laboratory tests on the finished lubricant cannot determine any difference between the highly re-refined base oil and virgin crude base oil.
Re-refined oil is equivalent in every respect to oil produced directly from crude oil. It undergoes the same comprehensive testing and meets the same quality standards as virgin lubricants"

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Of course, the same would apply to genuine synthetic oil being re-refined,just like crude oil.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Trajan:
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Trajan.......how's that much needed BMW engine overhaul going?? TOO BAD YOU'RE OUT OF WARRANTY...AND LUCK!

Did the dealer re-install the 'factory approved motor oil'.........AGAIN? LOL


Your handle,Trajan..

"They stand on a wall and say "Nothing's going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch."

Funny thing,Trajan......nothing has happened to me or my engines,on any night--or day,or anybodies watch. That handle is.........SPOT ON! You chose it well!!
A Synthetic Diesel Engine Oil with Extended Laboratory Test and Field Service Performance

Funny that you post links to Mobil Delvac 1 R7D by Mobil Research and Dvlp. Corp. in 1992-1994 period.

Product never released to the Public in USA

SAE Paper published in 1995

From 1990 to 1996 Mobil Research bought lot of SynLube for R&D and in 1999 just before going bankrupt actually offered to buy SynLube for $2.3 million.

In 1999 Exxon took over and SynLube was no longer purchasing PAO from Mobil (now ExxonMobil) because the quality level deteriorated to unacceptable level.

In 1996 I was old SynLube purchased 60% of the world Supply of the 99.8% pure PAO that was actually cosmetic and food contact approved grade.

The PAO Mobil and now Exxon USES internally is only 86% pure and I have never got answer from anyone what the other 14% is.

It is also no secret thjat in 1996 Mobil Environmental Laboratory ran all the decomposition testes on SynLube for SynLube as well.

So it is not that Mobil or Exxon could not produce a product such as SynLube, they just do not want to.

It is not that they could not formulate SAE 5W-50 from PURE PAO and sell it in USA, they just do not do it - but it is available in some European countries for as much as $50 per Liter equivalent - more expensive than SynLube !!!

SO chill out the technology is there and has been now for over 32 years - yet NO COMPANY IN THE WORLD other than SynLube makes it available to the Public.

Just simple facts that of course you can yet again claim they are not true....
Read the claims !

1.) We have never anywhere made any claim that military uses SynLube.

2.) The claim and fact is that NAVY MEDIC units use SynLube in disposable (500 hour rated service life) YAMAHA generators since they do not want to deal with every 25 to 50 hours required oil changes, just to messy I guess for a field medic - so they equip them with SynLube and forget the oil changes.

Sometimes when they have to move in a hurry they even leave the units behind as they are just not that valueble to them - at least that is what I was told.

They als tell me that in Afganistan they by the time t gets to the field pay as much as $600 per Gallon of DIESEL FUEL and $800 per Gallon of Lube Oil so SynLube that needs not to be changed in small equipment is a real bargain and after all it is US taxpayers money that is saved.

3.) SynLube is Re-Processed Lube oil and qualifies for all the grant programs that were originated by Executive Order by President Clinton.

4.) We do not supply any re-refined oil as as was pointed out there is no request or stock number for SAE 5W-50

SO there

The price for 1 L of SynLube from virgin components is $32.00 per Liter retail

$50 is for the re-processed 1 Liter Initial Fill and you the taxpayer pays for the difference $18.00

None of that is a secret either but the fleets that use it (that get Federal Grants) we keep confidential since more than once they were bothered and hastled by other oil co sales paople and promoters when they find out they use SynLube.

Just today one of the Fleet Managers called me telling me someone is trying to offer him FULLY SYNTEHTIC "re-refined" Motor Oil for $20 for 5 L bottle (it is apparently shipped from Africa !!!)

That should be the focus of your investigations - real scams !!!
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Originally posted by Trajan:
Kirk old boy, it's not me who claims the military uses synlube, but your Geppetto who claims it.

Geppetto, once again, made claims that he can't back up. And again, performs the synlube shuffle. And hangs himself, yet again.

My only surprise is that the other puppet isn't here attacking those who question him. Cut the strings perhaps?


For the past 3 or 4 pages that I've read, Trajan has contributed nothing in the way of information, or anything approaching being intelligent. Just your usual negative remarks, name-calling, insults to Capt. Kirk, Miro and myself.

Trajan, if my safety depended on you being on watch, I would be messing my pants.
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Originally posted by inHaliburton:
quote:
Originally posted by Trajan:
Kirk old boy, it's not me who claims the military uses synlube, but your Geppetto who claims it.

Geppetto, once again, made claims that he can't back up. And again, performs the synlube shuffle. And hangs himself, yet again.

My only surprise is that the other puppet isn't here attacking those who question him. Cut the strings perhaps?


For the past 3 or 4 pages that I've read, Trajan has contributed nothing in the way of information, or anything approaching being intelligent. Just your usual negative remarks, name-calling, insults to Capt. Kirk, Miro and myself.

Trajan, if my safety depended on you being on watch, I would be messing my pants.

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In some respects,Trajan actually has contributed quite a bit,albeit,unwittingly.....that his factory approved "swill"(his term), FAILED!!!!

He has informed us that 'factory approved' oil isn't so good......because his car uses oil(my cars use...none on synlube),and all the other MFG (oil related)issues I have shown with various links.

He slipped we he mentioned that he needed to use AR-X....in vain though,and his engine still uses oil,and loses power-- and I bet more than he revealed!

He also admitted that his valve timing system is in need of repair,no thanks to his 'approved oil'. He stated there is a very short life span for this system,something like 30k,before it needs work.

http://forums.bimmerforums.com...x.php/t-1137071.html

http://members.roadfly.com/jason/BMWrecall.htm

http://members.roadfly.com/jason/m3engines.htm

The vanos system issues I believe are mentioned in the above post. The heat cooks/cokes the 'weak' oil,etc,

Vanos failure is definitely oil related(oh,that pesky approved oil)

http://www.m5board.com/vbullet...-failure-anyone.html


The Bottom line.....with all of Trajans arguments in favor of using factory 'approved oil' for months,and months to date..........TRAJAN HAS NOW FINALLY PROVED THAT HIS "FACTORY APPROVED SWILL"...........HAS FAILED HIM. He has proved my point quite effectively!

Also notice no denial of the engine issues that he has. Why........because it's true!

TRAJAN is like a natural Joe Biden.........always puts his foot in his mouth,and blabs away what he is trying to hide!

Joe Biden/Trajan-same thing!!

http://politicalhumor.about.co...bidens-big-mouth.htm
So I was correct, in all the links Kirk supplied not one mentioned Synlube being bought or used by the Military. Re-refinded oil use is nothing new here.

Nice try Miro once again no proof that the Navy, or any branch of the US Military or any Military uses your product. Remember the Gov't buys from real businesses, that have a real address, and a license. Which BTW you still haven't shown us.

AD
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I have never lost a component either! I also never blew a tire.......so that means all those tire lawsuits were bogus using your logic!

Never rebuilt any engine because they all ran perfect,even with mineral oil....what you still use apparently! I passed all vehicle emission inspections.....in NJ. Ran several cars I bought used at 100k to over 200k. No big deal!

You would have one heck of an excuse if you lost an engine to a lube failure being in the line of work your in! I just use common sense. Hard to believe a guy using Synlube has common sense.........isn't it!

I used to change the oil in my cars every 2,000 miles to maintain them,even when I first started driving at 17. Common sense told me that!

About 10 years ago I started using synlube......common sense told me then...that it made sense!

I didn't keep doing what the 17 year old boy once did(i.e. keep changing oil)- I moved on to the future----the present!! I Haven't been wrong Yet,and my engines have all proven that!

Use whatever lubricant you desire for your engines,but don't state or imply that my choice is foolish when I know better than anyone on these boards other than a few.......that my approach,and the product I use works...........BECAUSE I HAVE THE EXPERIENCE USING IT!

I don't care if you're 150 years old with five PhD's.........your still not an expert nor in the forefront of the lubrication industry. You're just a guy with a job/career like me!

The only thing I have seen from you Lamont are some well written,and sometimes bizarre meandering rants regarding your opinions that give no substantial facts about lubricants nor any real statistics.

You seem to be against anything other than the old standby, because to you a car is a worthless piece of junk and should be treated as such...or so you imply! It's nothing more than a 'grocery getter'...says it all.

For what it's worth.....my wife's car is the actual grocery getter, and also the pay check getter....and my car is just the paycheck getter!! VW is the standby grocery getter, or whatever getter! The other equipment also running with synlube perform other purposeful functions.


Does someone have a Gibberish-to-English dictionary I could borrow? This guy tends to go in a lot of directions at once, but I can usually hang on. He threw mw way early this time (the tire thing) and my GPS won't get me back to the thread, if there is one.

You seem to wasting a lot of energy on someone who you appear to consider irrelevant.

I'll keep preaching "there many 'right' ways, the one you choose is a function of your situation". You can continue to darn any internal combustion engine to Heck if they don't use your Holy Product.

Anyone seen a tearapart of this juice? Are they still using PIB to hit the vis targets? Of course, once you add PIB, you nullify the high VI of the 4-6 cSt PAO, which means now you're in the market for VI improver. Yeah, it's all 'synthetic', but so what?
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Originally posted by Trajan:
The only VOAs I've seen show it to be either a 30 or 40 wt. None of the three could explain why.

As for a tearapart, it would probably show it to be whatever oil was on sale at Walmart.

"Nothing's going to save you tonight. It's my watch."


Hey Trajan, show us the ultimate proof that Synlube is "swill." Show us that engine belonging to your neighbour that burned up using Synlube that you claim exists. You can't because you know it's a LIE!

Trajan is a LIAR.

Well?
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Originally posted by Trajan:
The only VOAs I've seen show it to be either a 30 or 40 wt. None of the three could explain why.

As for a tearapart, it would probably show it to be whatever oil was on sale at Walmart.




Also notice no denial of the engine issues that he has. Why........because it's true!


Everyone has noticed you have failed to deny several times over-- your engine issues......using the so-called,FACTORY APPROVED OIL.


Walmart oil would never hold up for 70k in a buick engine. The engine would have seized up from sludge long before 70k. Thats why I used synlube for that purpose,and never had any issues with the buick riviera I spoke of.

However,walmart oil might explain your engine issues. I noticed you seem to like walmart.........and the oil they obviously sold you,which now explains your oil burning issue!!


How much did the dealer charge you for the engine work you had done??
Aside from using a qt of oil in 6000 miles, what is exactly wrong with Trajan's engine?

I read earlier today about a guy with a new V6 Honda who used a qt of the FF in 5000 miles. Does that mean his engine is bad Kirk? What if after 50,000 miles he continues to use a qt of oil every 5000 miles? I'll bet a weeks wages the dealer tells him its normal. You'll say he used the wrong oil and didn't follow proper break in procedure won't you?

AD
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Beats me how those who have no experience with a product can argue with those who have.

Seems this puppet doesn't understands what it says.

But..... that's what puppets do. Whatever Geppetto aka Miro, tells them.

Kind of figured that low tension piston rings/oil spray jets would be beyond their understanding.

Sad when one says in its profile "to education myself", and fails repeatedly.
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Originally posted by ADFD1:
Aside from using a qt of oil in 6000 miles, what is exactly wrong with Trajan's engine?

I read earlier today about a guy with a new V6 Honda who used a qt of the FF in 5000 miles. Does that mean his engine is bad Kirk? What if after 50,000 miles he continues to use a qt of oil every 5000 miles? I'll bet a weeks wages the dealer tells him its normal. You'll say he used the wrong oil and didn't follow proper break in procedure won't you?

AD


It isn't a Yugo. That paragon of engineering that won all those awards. Can't even find a 2011 model, they sell so fast....
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